View Full Version : Favorite infantry unit!
SwebozGaztiz
05-22-2007, 18:41
hello again with one of my posts haha well now i want to know which is your favorite infantry unit, well my favorite units are scortmareva, libyan spearmen(early and late), teurophoroi and illirioi teurophoroi, bataroas(a must in every gallic army!) and finally the hoplitai and hoplitai massilote, well although not the heaviest units while using them have helped me to win big battles!
Hypaspistai
Some people seem to have problems with them, but not me. Hell, they seem to have no trouble pushing their way into a phalanx and tearing them up.
Casse sword masters are beasts - and the new skin rocks - but any missile unit will maul them badly because they lack a shield.
Call me lame I but I like Polibyan principes. Decent unit overall, looks good and tasty, pleasure to watch at work.
Ezephkiel
05-22-2007, 20:23
Im fond of the normal hoplitai, but like the mercenary version aswell (for a bit of shield variation)
Also like the thracian medium skirmishers (can't remember the name) they're pretty meaty and have served my well on my campaigns into asia minor
appearance: Roman eastern archer auxilia, Dosidataskeli, Mori Gaesum
overall: Mori Gaesum. These guys look awesome, and are excellent as both phalanx and shock infantry. What more could you want? :2thumbsup:
The Wicked
05-22-2007, 21:55
Well the reformed makedonian pezhetairoi are mine...with the cohorts reformata..imagine the compined power of that formation along with heavy catafract cav and eastern archers......
Well, I fell in love with the Dosidataskeli. But, the most regular unit and real battle winner (the dosi are there just as flank support), it's definatly the Gestikapoinann (Lusotannan Light Spearmen). I mean throw anything at them they'll shew them up and spit them out like old chewing gum :).
Also, Plybian princeps as someone already said, Iudaioi Taxeis for my AS campaign and som manny others... Basically every faction has one unit (on the non elite side) that I somehow can use really well and they may not be ubber statwise but when in combined arms, they really shred everything...
Cheers...
Centurio Nixalsverdrus
05-22-2007, 22:35
- Agrianikoi Pelekephoroi. Their only disadvantage is their low armour, but with their axes they just rip everybody.
- Thraikioi Peltastai. Best skirmishers ever and also good all-around infantry.
- Hysteroi Pezhetairoi. Stand against all other Phalangites without problems.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-22-2007, 22:46
Thrakian peltasts hands down.
Although I must admit I'm also a fan of our Camillian Triarii.
Dyabedes of Aphrodisias
05-22-2007, 23:04
Peltastai Thraikioi.
Most useful unit I've ever wielded. Deadly javelineers combined with fairly tough medium infantry. They can hold a line against most regular units when they have to and decimate it from a distance when they don't.
I also have a fondness for the Dorkim Aloopim and one of the Liby-Phoenecians (the better one), for both appearance and effectiveness.
sgsandor
05-23-2007, 00:09
Wow what a great question! I like all the polybian for romans and evocata
Miles Sueborum
05-23-2007, 01:19
The best looking Unit to me are the Sweboz Sahsnotoz - if they only were as useful ^^
However - my favourite Unit are Samnite heavy Infantry mercenaries. During my italian campeign I hired large ammounts of those and they cut thouse Romans into pieces ^^
artavazd
05-23-2007, 07:12
got a question about the naked warriors of gaul. I know they were very tough and crazy, but being naked with no protection wont they have fallen pretty easily ??
Caratacos
05-23-2007, 07:36
got a question about the naked warriors of gaul. I know they were very tough and crazy, but being naked with no protection wont they have fallen pretty easily ??
Not all were naked in real life, i believe. Though the naked ones are more notable and thus are the ones depicted in the game. Perhaps there will be the odd armoured/clothed one in EB2?
Also they were a psychologially devastating unit. By the time they reached their enemy they'd already be crapping themselves and if not running wouldn't be in the best fighting form. Though this shouldn't be exaggerated-- they weren't boogie men or anything.
At the battle of Telamon they were rather velnerable to the Roman javelins (and suffered heavy losses). Though the battle was by no means a clear victory for the Romans. It was the veteran Gaesatae that were looked to to put up the fight.
MarcusAureliusAntoninus
05-23-2007, 07:41
LOL
Caratacos, when I first read this:
...By the time they reached their enemy they'd already be crapping themselves...
I thought you meant the Gesatatae. And I thought literally.
Caratacos
05-23-2007, 07:43
LOL
Caratacos, when I first read this:
I thought you meant the Gesatatae. And I thought literally.
Well that would be psychologically devastating :wink2:
:laugh4:
Watchman
05-23-2007, 07:43
Although between the certain survivability-related drawbacks of their fighting style and possible (if not likely) unpleasant long-term side effects of whatever weird herbal concotion they used as a combat drug, "veteran" may have been somewhat relative. One suspects that wasn't an occupation where pensions normally became and issue, if you see what I mean.
Comes across more as a "live fast, die young, leave a big heap of corpses" sort of thing really. :beam:
Caratacos
05-23-2007, 07:46
Although between the certain survivability-related drawbacks of their fighting style and possible (if not likely) unpleasant long-term side effects of whatever weird herbal concotion they used as a combat drug, "veteran" may have been somewhat relative. One suspects that wasn't an occupation where pensions normally became and issue, if you see what I mean.
Comes across more as a "live fast, die young, leave a big heap of corpses" sort of thing really. :beam:
Yeah. I meant veteran in terms of experience as opposed to age.
Somehow watching naked old men fight would be much worse :laugh4:
EDIT: I suppose I should add my favourite unit... I always like the underdogs so I'm going to say the Gaeroas. Especially the Aedui version... nice trousers.
Watchman
05-23-2007, 07:50
:sweatdrop:
Word.
Best cheap infantry- Iberian Caetratii. These dudes ROCK!
They remind me of Warcraft II goblin demolition squads =)
The Errant
05-23-2007, 08:35
Chaeonion Agema. Arguably the best phalangite in the game. They double up as decent swordsmen too. Plus they look damn cool.
antiochus epiphanes
05-24-2007, 01:20
hmmn thats a tough one, id say either the getai komotai thorakitai stratiotai
and the Epilektoi Hoplitai
Laundreu
05-24-2007, 03:45
My personal favorite is the Bartikoi Scorpion Throwers -
oh god I said too much
Lysander13
05-24-2007, 03:46
Thorakitai Argyraspidai is my favorite unit. These guys are totally bad ass.
Though i don't actually use them in a Arche Seleukeia campaign. In my alternative history version of EB...Makedon is able to recruit them as well as AS from Pella and Demetrias with the highest MIC. ( ** Hey it could've happened that way**):yes:
I'm a big fan of Samnite infantry... just love those guys.
Jesus_saves
05-24-2007, 04:33
Y I suppose I should add my favourite unit... I always like the underdogs so I'm going to say the Gaeroas. Especially the Aedui version... nice trousers.
I just started my first Romani Campaign and I have to say; Satan Invented Gaeroas to stop me form crossing the Po. :furious3:
Edit: Spartans.
I like my komatai, they're so versatile. but they're quickly being replaced on my rankings by a couple new units...
Hard to say, many nice units to choose from. But I think I will go with Thureophoroi (especially the Seleukid ones) with Eranshar Arshtbara on second place.
Favourite EB Unit of all time: Makedonian Hypaspistai
Well for the spearmen cclass I believe Illyrian Tureuphoroi is the best cost/effectiveness wise. Also, they look bad ass with their armor :).
Cheers...
Ignopotens
05-24-2007, 13:44
I just love the Getai Drapanai, so far I've sent them against just about everything and won, plus they have that badass falx:yes:
Liby-Phoenician Spearmen/Heavy Spearmen, dunno why, just like their look a lot :sweatdrop:.
Tristuskhan
05-25-2007, 16:03
My favourite infantery is mercenary greek medium phallanx: not outstanding, but a very correct anvil for my Sarmatian cavalry charges, those men saved my Sarmatian campaign and I was able to destroy those arrowproof nasty Chaonian Agema. Moreover, the only infantery available to build was Sarmatian light lancers... due to die young...
cunctator
05-25-2007, 18:49
Anything with missile and close combat weapons. Peltastai, legionaries, etx. are great for their versatility. My favourite infantry unit is are perhaps the Eransahr Arshtbara archer-spearmen. Cheap and really useful in the east.
The Persian Cataphract
05-25-2007, 20:21
Anything with missile and close combat weapons. Peltastai, legionaries, etx. are great for their versatility. My favourite infantry unit is are perhaps the Eransahr Arshtbara archer-spearmen. Cheap and really useful in the east.
I have always praised those Iranian light infantry. They may not be monsters in close combat, but there is no better means to combat horse archers than with these boys :smash:
keravnos
05-25-2007, 20:42
Yes, they are one of my fave inf. units as well!
Kralizec
05-25-2007, 22:38
Bataroas: excellent all-round infantry. Their longswords with a 0.225 lethality also makes them hard-hitting flankers.
Speaking of flankers, the Casse sword champions are surely the best in that catagory. They're more vulnerable to missiles then most other heavy infantry though.
Samniti Milites: badass unit, though their lackluster stamina is a slight detriment. They're incredibly good looking, too.
Thureophoroi and its various incarnations. Not the best, but they give a good bang for their buck. They're very useful for providing cover for your archers/slingers when engaging armies that are heavy with horse archers, when I don't bother with hoplites or phalangites.
I'm personally fond of a certain falx-wielding Thracian unit which I just wrote stats for.
Pharnakes
05-25-2007, 23:18
Is there a new thracian unit comming is there?
:yes: :beam: :2thumbsup: :laugh4: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:
The Errant
05-26-2007, 08:41
Is there a new thracian unit comming is there?
:yes: :beam: :2thumbsup: :laugh4: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:
Check out the May preview thread. Third unit from the top.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=85110
Ravenfeeder
05-26-2007, 10:41
Pezhetairoi. I love 'em. They form the core of most armies I construct. Even my Romani have one army which has a core of Mistophoroi Phalangitai (raised in a hurry in Scicily).
They just do the job, rain or shine. You can have fancy assault units dancing around them, but without the Pez the assault units are nothing. And the Mak ones look great!
Kralizec
05-26-2007, 11:22
Check out the May preview thread. Third unit from the top.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=85110
That's technicly not a falx weilding soldier, is it though?
The Errant
05-26-2007, 12:20
Nope. Not techically. But the Rhompaia is considered to be the predecessor of the Falx. They are both two handed, scythe like weapons, with the blade being curved and sharpened on the inside. The Falx is more heavily curved than the Rhompaia. That's about the only difference there is.
There might be another Thracian Falx armed unit. But somehow I think this is the one tk-421 was referring to.
tk-421, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Frostwulf
05-26-2007, 21:22
At the battle of Telamon they were rather velnerable to the Roman javelins (and suffered heavy losses). Though the battle was by no means a clear victory for the Romans. It was the veteran Gaesatae that were looked to to put up the fight.
Im probably not understanding what your trying to say here, but the Celts were totally destroyed at Telemon with 40,000 soldiers killed and 10,000 captured. After Telemon the Celtic threat to Roman Italy was demolished.
I am looking for more information on the Gaesatae if any one has any could you post it on "Gaesatae way too overpowered" thread. Im trying not to change the course of this thread hence the reason for posting on the"Gaesatae way too overpowered" thread.
Watchman
05-26-2007, 22:21
The Falx is more heavily curved than the Rhompaia. That's about the only difference there is.Wasn't there also that the rhompaia was all metal with full tang and the handle built around that, while the falx was socketed to a short wooden shaft ? Probably not a meaningful difference for anyone at the receiving end of course...
Artorius Rex
05-29-2007, 03:35
I like the look of the Pontic Bronze Shields. (forgot their greek name)
Chalkispidai...or at least i'm close.
And I agree, they're a pretty solid unit, and Pontus' roster is kind of hodgepodge, so that helps them out.
Nope. Not techically. But the Rhompaia is considered to be the predecessor of the Falx. They are both two handed, scythe like weapons, with the blade being curved and sharpened on the inside. The Falx is more heavily curved than the Rhompaia. That's about the only difference there is.
There might be another Thracian Falx armed unit. But somehow I think this is the one tk-421 was referring to.
tk-421, please correct me if I'm wrong.
I meant rhomphaia, but that is probably almost certainly not the unit that I may or may not have been referring to (or was it probably almost certainly the unit that I may or may not have been referring to?). Your guess is very nearly certainly not better than mine.
The Celt
05-29-2007, 05:58
Well I'd say out of how long I've played the Gaesatae are my favs. Not only is it fun watching a bunch of naked guys charge into a baffled unit of Hastati, but they've always seemed to fight till the very end. Which makes them extreamly useful for moral boosts.
Well I'd say out of how long I've played the Gaesatae are my favs. Not only is it fun watching a bunch of naked guys charge into a baffled unit of Hastati, but they've always seemed to fight till the very end. Which makes them extreamly useful for moral boosts.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Went a little liberal with the editing.
The Celt
05-29-2007, 20:34
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Went a little liberal with the editing.
:help: Que? I don't get it!
Pharnakes
05-29-2007, 20:47
I think he's trying to say that celts got morale bosts from (enjoyed) watching naked men.
Or possibly that you enjoy watching naked men...
Not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with being gay, of course.
The Celt
05-29-2007, 23:25
I think he's trying to say that celts got morale bosts from (enjoyed) watching naked men.
Or possibly that you enjoy watching naked men...
Not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with being gay, of course.
Ooh, yeah that sounds about right. Not the bit about me being gay(cause I'm not!) just the part about his joke....:2thumbsup:
Hmm...that got awkward, but I admire the editing skillz.
The Rhomphaia is only in a restrictive sense the predecessor to the falx. The falx blade hails mainly from the curved sica blades used in the region stretching from the haimos to the dnieper, and which are attested much earlier than the earliest rhomphaia, though the rhomphaia's size and construction may have influenced the increase in size from the sica to the falx. The rhomphaia has a considerably longer tang than pretty much anything else around, including the falx, and with its straighter, pointed blade, may have been used rather differently than the sharply curved falx. That said, those two units are among my favorite!
And yes, the Gaesatae were hurt rather badly at Telamon, just as their compatriots would be in Galatia at the hands of Manlius Vulso's light infantry. The Romans are funny that way: they'd talk up their commitment to winning a battle through virtus and hand-to-hand combat, but when it came to fighting big naked guys equally committed to virtus and hand-to-hand combat, they were perfectly happy to pelt them with missiles until they were all dead, wounded, senseless, or demoralized. Did the same thing to the Seleukid phalanx at Magnesia, by the way. Dirty Romans...
Jesus_saves
05-30-2007, 03:48
Dirty Romans...
Yeah! Curse them For being Smart!! :laugh4:
antiochus epiphanes
05-31-2007, 14:12
Dirty Romans...
i hate the damn romans, they always find a casus belli with me, and i could be bactria for gods sake lol
new fav unit is shuban frankenstines, or the eastern slingers. i love me some slingers to take out the best unit of the enemies army. watched them decemate a whole contingent of thorakitai argyraspidai lol.
Yeah! Curse them For being Smart!!
Oh, please.
Me hate roman scum :furious3:
Frostwulf
06-01-2007, 07:24
[/quote=paullus]And yes, the Gaesatae were hurt rather badly at Telamon, just as their compatriots would be in Galatia at the hands of Manlius Vulso's light infantry. The Romans are funny that way: they'd talk up their commitment to winning a battle through virtus and hand-to-hand combat, but when it came to fighting big naked guys equally committed to virtus and hand-to-hand combat, they were perfectly happy to pelt them with missiles until they were all dead, wounded, senseless, or demoralized. Did the same thing to the Seleukid phalanx at Magnesia, by the way. Dirty Romans...[/quote]
Thats a standard Roman tactic and its very effective. Lots of people of the time used some sort of missile weapons including the Celts. As far as the Gaesatae Im not impressed with them at all. Telamon is the only battle I know some of the particulars of and the Gae guys didnt do anything except die. Other Celt units were able to engage the Romans and do battle with them,even though they were being pelted with missiles. If anyone has any information about Faesulae or other battles in which the Gaesatae fought in Id like to know about it. I keep reading on this forum how great these guys were but no one seems to have any information about them.
The Persian Cataphract
06-01-2007, 12:22
new fav unit is shuban frankenstines, or the eastern slingers
:laugh3:
:laugh3:
:2thumbsup:
Celtic slingers are better anyway, they have a longer range :whip:
antiochus epiphanes
06-01-2007, 14:24
:2thumbsup:
Celtic slingers are better anyway, they have a longer range :whip:
really? i didnt know that.. i still wonder what makes them wunder weapons
really? i didnt know that.. i still wonder what makes them wunder weapons
I bet Golias is still wondering that too :beam:
Alasdair
06-03-2007, 16:31
not so much one unit, but a combination, for me its Háruskoz-Swáiut and Márjoz, its a little late game, but if u got a unit up against your Haruskoz and your Marjoz coming up to flank, anything get ahnnialated in like, 30 seconds (on VH/VH) well, more a more like between 30-5 seconds, the Marjoz work fast :P
Ancyrean
06-04-2007, 10:31
Best cheap infantry- Iberian Caetratii. These dudes ROCK!
They remind me of Warcraft II goblin demolition squads =)
During my current Romani game, on my Iberian campaign, I'm also very impressed by the Mercenary Iberi Scutari that are available throughout Iberia.
These guys have very dependable stats, good morale and excellent stamina. It is largely due to these guys that I kept my Iberian campaign going until I had two or three Level2 local MICs operational, making Iberi Caetrati available. With a couple of Principes to back up the line, along with a couple of Iberi Milites covering the flanks, an army that had 5-6 Scutari withstood anything the Lusotannan threw at them, even larger forces.
I haven't tried a Lusotannan campaign to comment on their comparative advantage over other Lusotannan units, but I definitely recommend their mercenary use to any invader of Iberia.
The Celtic Viking
06-04-2007, 10:57
I don't like Iberian units. They look too... what's the word for it?... well, in lack of better words, weak. They aren't really weak by any means, but they look very fragile, almost elflike in how their bodies are built (except for their faces :laugh4:). I don't know if there's an actual difference there between the iberian soldiers and the rest, but that's how they look to me anyway. Doesn't stop me from using them to great effect, though...
My favourite unit must be the Gaesatae. There you have real men! Naked, strong, high and crazy übermenschen bent on their enemy's destruction without a care in the world for their own safety. How can you NOT love them?! :2thumbsup:
Beefy187
06-04-2007, 11:55
I must say the iberian units looks heaps stronger then numidians..
what happened to RTR strong looking Numidians:wall:
MarcusAureliusAntoninus
06-04-2007, 23:44
The future will hold good things for the Numidians.
Watchman
06-05-2007, 00:04
Free gym subscriptions ? :balloon2:
MarcusAureliusAntoninus
06-05-2007, 00:15
Who leaked that to you?
antiochus epiphanes
06-05-2007, 03:50
Free gym subscriptions ? :balloon2:
bravo fiver niner he knows too much over!.
Tellos Athenaios
06-05-2007, 13:51
I'm a Hellenistic factions & units fan. Favourite unit... well the future sure looks promising!
echo fiver niner, squad ready, over!
I think my favourite would have to be Caetrati too, they are light but can chew up supposedly superior units with great frequency :yes:
russia almighty
06-06-2007, 20:14
The Iberian Cataphracts make up for the weak looking iberian infantry .
May I just ask why do they look weak to you guys?
Lowenklee
06-07-2007, 03:15
If I may venture an answer,
I think the Lusotanian core units look fine. But perhaps the Caetrati, Scutari, and milites do look a little amusing.
The combination of short skirts (or is that the bottom of a long tunic), the campy looking helmets (especially the milites), the lack of facial hair, and the clean bright colorful outfits lend themselves to a sort of elflike appearance.
*edit*
As for my favorite unit? At the moment I'm in the middle of a Baktrian campaign and have found the Baktrioi Hippotoxotai to be a wonderfully handy unit. Purely based on sentiment I'd have to cast a vote in favor of the Aljáz-Gae. It's strange but they remind me of home *sigh*
Naked Fanatics. 2 Hitpoints, and scary sight.
russia almighty
06-08-2007, 08:33
Easy cause the Aeudi team banner looks like the guy is killing someone after a
SQUATS AND MILK induced rage . Most of the iberian regionals look like pink dumbbell lifting pansies .
What , how often do you see a comparison as original as this work of art?
From my Bactrian campaign it is without doubt - Baktrian Early Bodyguard (it is the coolest unit I have ever seen, they are really amazing)
And in my recent Aedui campaign my favourite unit is Mori Gaesum their phlanax is quite weak but they do kick asses with their swords.
chomskola
06-11-2007, 08:54
yo,
my second post woohoo, yes the scutari look elflike and such, but this is kind of apt, as far as i remember iberians were known for their speed skill and agility, thats wht romans look like they came off a conveyor belt and iberians look like athletes albeit slender ones, in any event with the outstanding lack of women in the game maybe it brings some relief to some people on some level whether they realise it or not, nah, just kidding. This is a hard question, favorite unit??i havent seen them all and there are so many i like, part of the fun is discovering new and awesome looking units as i play, in terms of efficency i love the scythian horse archers, they are so cheap and they build up chevrons quick, in my roman campaign the germans and the macedonians simply had no answer to these guys. In terms of appearance im gonna choose off the top of my head , its a close call between samnite swordsmen and elite african swordsmen..they look so damn cool, i imagine some lesser enemies must have fled merely at the sight of them.question though, those kick ass galatian warriors that work for the ptolemies, any basis behind them? super speed pretty chainmail armour and all round kick-assed-ness?ok until next time nanu nanu
Epiphanes
06-11-2007, 09:43
For their brilliant look, I must say that my favorite infantry unit in game is the Baktrian Agema...
In campaigns however, my favor sways towards the Ekdromoi Hoplitai. They are cheap, effective against calvalry & skirmisher troops, and provide a nice auxiliary force for my Koinon Hellenon armies. They are practical, and very useful. I also like their shield design (which sometimes gives me cravings for a nice glass of orange juice :yes:). They're the backbone of my early army, and I have a feeling, so long as they perform so well against the Macedonians, that they will stay that way for some time. They're a far cry from 'elite' but hey, they get the job done. ~:)
The Ekdromoi are awsome for KH. The fact that they come by the hundreds is also a great bonus. They have a little less defense than hoplintes and don't respond so well to missiles but their numbers more than make up for it.
Cheers...
Pharnakes
06-11-2007, 15:31
"they don't respond so well to missiles" That has always been my gripe with the ekdromoi, wen their armour is specifacly designed to protect against missiles, but in the game their incredibly vulnerable. I have just tried resating my ekdromoi to have 15 armour, 4 skill and 3 shield, and I think this may well help to better represent their aromurs capabilities, i.e useless in hth, as any men using a kopis type sword will buthcher them in short order due to the ap atribute. Any one else ever tried anything like this?
QwertyMIDX
06-11-2007, 15:56
"they don't respond so well to missiles" That has always been my gripe with the ekdromoi, wen their armour is specifacly designed to protect against missiles, but in the game their incredibly vulnerable. I have just tried resating my ekdromoi to have 15 armour, 4 skill and 3 shield, and I think this may well help to better represent their aromurs capabilities, i.e useless in hth, as any men using a kopis type sword will buthcher them in short order due to the ap atribute. Any one else ever tried anything like this?
The problem is just that in RTW you can't have missile defense separate from melee. Not every melee unit has a kopis, and either way giving them better armor than classical hoplites so they can butcher them in melee is hard. We are thinking about trying a small shift from ds toward armor though. Basically we're trying to find a happy medium where regular heavy infantry can route them pretty well even without the ap attribute while making them more resilient toward missiles.
Pharnakes
06-11-2007, 16:00
I tried giving them lots of shield but not much else, and that worked prety well, but it leaves them totaly open from behind, which is a huge disadavantage when they're chasing after manoverable skirmishers...
So anyway I thought I'd try that and see what happens. Probabyl KH will suddenly go on a rampage and conquer the world.:laugh4:
Also naother question about Ekdromoi, why can Parthia have them? (Or was that a bug in another build?)
QwertyMIDX
06-11-2007, 16:25
No idea, not my department. (EB is really big...:help:)
Actually, they are supposed to be "light" hoplites. They were design to catch skirmishers and missile troops who could outrun standard hoplites and be a apin in the ass. Their armor shouldn't be as high as hoplites for a long shot and from the front, they can handle missiles pretty well... remember they were made to run and catch skirmishers not to sustain successive voleys from their missiles. They are best used as flank troops as in hand to had combat they stand up to it. Maybe giving them the trait very fast or something would help a lot.
Cheers...
I tried giving them lots of shield but not much else, and that worked prety well, but it leaves them totaly open from behind, which is a huge disadavantage when they're chasing after manoverable skirmishers...
And AFAIK the shield bonus does not apply when a unit is running, this making the benefit rather moot for an outrunner unit.
Watchman
06-11-2007, 22:35
Upping the armour value and nerfing the defense skill a bit would seem like a conceptually sound solution. That way they're pretty tough against missiles, but nothing particularly special in hand-to-hand - as it should be according to the UI description of the armour. Logically they should have armour at someting like 10-11 - notably tougher than, say, Peltastai, but not as tough as the real heavies.
...incidentally, am I the only one who finds what appears to be the godawfully heavy aspis to be a slightly odd choice of shield for fellows whose primary job is to run down light skirmishers...?
Pharnakes
06-11-2007, 23:57
I think the idea was that it was of very light construction, and anyway, as their armour in mele was next to useless they needed some sort of protection.
The Persian Cataphract
06-12-2007, 15:27
Also naother question about Ekdromoi, why can Parthia have them? (Or was that a bug in another build?)
The Pahlava are not supposed to have them, no.
Underhand
06-14-2007, 12:00
I don't know how long they will remain my favourite, but I love the cohortes reformata. They are extremely versatile heavy infantry, and their numbers and good stamina are very useful. I hardly even mind the scarcity of good cavalry with these boys as my battle line.
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