Big pig

[Tribesman]

A very big pig indeedhttp://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8PBKB5G0&show_article=1&image=large
these are the sort of idiots that give hunters a bad name .:thumbsdown:

[InsaneApache]

Humhum..

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1555806&postcount=273

:dancinglock:

I've always wanted to do that. :embarassed:

[HoreTore]

Who goes hunting with a pistol?:dizzy2:

[Ja'chyra]

What kind of idiot sees something like this and thinks "I got to kill it"

Makes you ashamed to be human

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Jamison, who killed his first deer at age 5, was hunting with father Mike Stone (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22Mike+Stone%22&sid=breitbart.com) and two guides in east Alabama (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=%22east+Alabama%22&sid=breitbart.com) on May 3 when he bagged Hogzilla II. He said he shot the huge animal eight times with a .50- caliber revolver and chased it for three hours through hilly woods before finishing it off with a point-blank shot.

PATHETIC!

This makes me angry. You don't shoot at animals with a pistol and you don't "pump 'em full of lead" you wait, you stalk and if you don't think you can kill him or at least dissable him you don't shoot. That's not hunting, hunting requires skill.

[Fragony]

On the other hand, it seems like a very very dangerous creature to me.

[Zaknafien]

The last Hogzilla was a hoax in some regard, it wasnt near as big as the picture made it look. I remember seeing a show on National Geographic about it a year or so ago... it seems though that the escaped boars get this big by feeding on super-protien food intended for catfish the farmers use. its really very fascinating how quickly a domesticated pig can go wild, and after a generation or two turn into a monster like this.

here's the last one:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/National-Geographic-confirms-Hogzilla-existence/2005/03/22/1111254030611.html?oneclick=true

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/03/22/pig_narrowweb__200x230.jpg

[CrossLOPER]

I say it's shooped.

[Devastatin Dave]

When you go HUNTING, you KILL what you hunt. You guys need to go ...:laugh4:

[BigTex]

Who goes hunting with a pistol?:dizzy2:

Just about any hunter with half a brain goes boar hunting with at least a .38 back up. Now going and hunting a 1,000lb boar with just a pistol is stupid.

Fail to see how this gives hunters a bad name... Generally the point of hunting is to kill, and if you've managed to kill such a large wild boar without being mamed or injurred yourself, I'd call that skill.


What kind of idiot sees something like this and thinks "I got to kill it"

Makes you ashamed to be human

It's a 1,000 lb wild boar, I hope that would go through most peoples minds. They are very dangerous, expecially when their so large.

[Devastatin Dave]

Summer's Eve...

[Rodion Romanovich]

Hunting with a revolver? I personally prefer spear and painted face

[Crazed Rabbit]

So, hunting small animals is fine, but big animals is terrible, from what I'm gathering.

You know they're going to get 500-700 pounds of sausage from the pig?

CR

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Why do we have duplicate threads?

[Ja'chyra]

No, hunting for food is fine. Plugging away at an animal with a weapon obviously inadequate, or was it just lack of skill, to kill it isn't.

Not to mention the fact of an 11 year old with a 0.50 gun.

[BigTex]

No, hunting for food is fine. Plugging away at an animal with a weapon obviously inadequate, or was it just lack of skill, to kill it isn't.

Nothing short of a high powered rifle would have been adequate. Least the .50 has massive stoping power. Most deer rifles would have taken many shots to bring down a 1,000lb boar. Show's great skill that he was able to both kill and chase it till it went down for 3 hours.



Not to mention the fact of an 11 year old with a 0.50 gun.

Fail to see anything wrong with this. The kid was obviously tuaght how to use it, what not to do with it. Considering he bagged a 1,000 boar that would have more then likely killed him had he not had it I'd say it's quite a good thing he had the .50 cal. Not to mention there were 3 other adults with him. Would you have prefered the kid carry just a long knife instead? I'm sure that will stop a 1,000 boar from charging.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Why do we have duplicate threads?

I considered locking this one and directing posters to the News of the Weird, but it developed quite quickly into a discussion on the merits of hunting rather than provoking more dreadful puns.

The points being made seem to deserve their own thread. Pearls before swine, if you will. :wink:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I fail to see how chasing a manic and maimed boar through the undergrowth takes skill. It's going to leave a massive trail a City Banker could follow. As to the appropriate weapon, you need something accurate enough to hit it in the head with and with enough power to punch through the skull. I would have thought a .308 with ultra-sonic cartridges would do the job.

I really don't know what these people think they were doing running after a boar in the first place. There are four smart ways I know to kill one. Flush to guns with dogs; corner with dogs, and kill with winged spear; ride down on horseback with lance and dogs; or sit in a hide, wait until one pops his head up and then shoot with an accurate, and scoped, rifle.

Three of those are currently illegal in the UK.

Why does it give hunters a bad name? Mainly because hunting is supposed to be a test of skill between you and the quarry. It sounds like this boar was already going to die, the boy had shot it eight times before running it down. It's liver and kidneys were probably shot, it's lungs full of blood.

It disgusts me. If you aren't sure of your kill you don't shoot. The meat will also be near useless, apart from the internal bleeding and a possibly ruptured stomach the muscle will be all tough from the adrenalin and the three hours anerobic resperation.

[HoreTore]

Generally the point of hunting is to kill, and if you've managed to kill such a large wild boar without being mamed or injurred yourself, I'd call that skill.

The point of hunting is to kill with the first shot, so that the animal dies instantly and without pain.

I thought every hunter knew that if you're not going to kill with first shot, you don't shoot.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Is it possible to kill such a beast as that with one shot?

CR

[Papewaio]

Why in none of the pictures do you see the hunters beside the boar... they are all in the background. None of them are standing by it or one foot on it (classic stereotype hunter pose) or while it is swinging from the tractor beside it with hand on it (classic stereotype game fisherman pose)...

I assume it is big, but if it is that big why not scale it true... and I'm sure something that big that was brought into a town would have a local reporter photographing it...

Anyhow the boars in NZ (which are tiny in comparison) often get hunted by hunters using dogs and a knife. Sometimes they use a rife or bow too.

[KukriKhan]

More pictures (and some pretty nasty email snippets) at the kid's dad's website (http://www.monsterpig.com/), including better-scaled pix & photos of the entire party. Also details of the S&W .50 cal revolver used (retail $1,500).

[Del Arroyo]

Wolves don't kill a deer before they eat it, they rip it apart as they go.

Even a housecat will play with a half-dead mouse.

[Hosakawa Tito]

these are the sort of idiots that give hunters a bad name

Care to elaborate on why you think he's an idiot?

I'm curious to know how many who have commented have actually hunted or even fired such a large handgun.
A .50 cal. handgun is massive, the largest production handgun made. I've never fired one, but I have fired a .44 magnum and it kicks like a mule. Big game guides use them as an emergency backup gun when hunting in Grizzly Bear country, so I believe the .50 cal would be quite adequate for a wild boar.
Unless one is very close, head shots are not recommended simply because it's a smaller target than the heart/lung area of the chest. The caliber is not as important as shot placement. Most big game animals are extremely tenacious. Even when mortally wounded they can run for hundreds of yards before going down unless you hit the spine or head.

The point of hunting is to kill with the first shot, so that the animal dies instantly and without pain.

I thought every hunter knew that if you're not going to kill with first shot, you don't shoot.

Yes, in a perfect world that is the ideal. However, even the best shots can miss the "bullseye" and wound an animal. This was an 11 year old boy, probably the first time he ever fired a gun at a big game animal, and this just wasn't any ordinary boar; this one was massive. Anyone familiar with the term Buck Fever-*nervous excitement of an inexperienced hunter*. Anyone who has ever hunted should be quite familiar with the condition.


It disgusts me. If you aren't sure of your kill you don't shoot. The meat will also be near useless, apart from the internal bleeding and a possibly ruptured stomach the muscle will be all tough from the adrenalin and the three hours anerobic resperation.

On the contrary, kudos to this group for tenaciously tracking this wounded animal till they bagged it, instead of letting it go to waste. Proper and prompt field dressing would salvage most of the meat. Wild boar is naturally somewhat tough and gamy (they have to work for their food) when compared to farm raised pork. Proper preparation, aging and smoking, grinding into sausage make them quite palatable.

The wild boar in that area of the country are breeding with escaped domestic hogs and are their population is exploding like rabbits. They have no natural predators to keep them in check, except hunting by humans. They are causing serious damage to area farmers crops and fields. They use their snouts to roto-till the crop fields and can ruin a farmer's lively-hood almost overnight. They mainly feed at night and are very intelligent.

[Gregoshi]

I agree with Pape - the scaling in the pictures doesn't seem right. In the link to the monsterpig website provided by Kukri, compare the side shot with Jason (5' 5") standing behind it with the shot from the front and the hunting party kneeling behind it. They just don't match up. I'm chalking this kill up to Photoshop, at least until something a little more reliable turns up.

BTW, I checked Snopes.com and found this true story of a 1100 pound boar killed in Florida: Big Hog (http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/bighog.asp) The size of the boar in the pictures from Snopes matches more closely with the kneeling picture I mention above from monsterpig.com. Snopes also mention "Hogzilla" and at the bottom of the article adds a blurb about Jason's boar, labling its authenticity as unconfirmed at the present: Hogzilla (http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/hogzilla.asp)

[Strike For The South]

That head needs to be mounted. Pretty nifty I must say

[Yun Dog]

3 hrs and 8 shots later = good kill - NO FAIL :thumbsdown:

sorry I grew up on a farm and thats a fail in my book

hunting with a pistol = fail :thumbsdown:

I dont care how a good a shot he is, you telling me he was standing 'how close' for his first shot

an animal suffering in aggony for 3 hrs - how would you like it

or how would you feel if some psyco had shot your dog then taken 3 HOURS to finish it

but please show us all what lengths you can goto to justify your own sadistic cruelty :yes:

[Devastatin Dave]

Funny how many commenting on this "cruel" act are the same folks that don't even bat an eye when a baby is ripped out from the womb of its mother and call it "choice".. Just an observation. Masengale is 1/2 off at Walmart this weekend BTW.

[Hepcat]

Maybe I'm missing something but to me it seems strange that an 11 year old should be wielding a pistol. Sure, it wasn't anywhere populated but to me it seems odd.

[BigTex]

The point of hunting is to kill with the first shot, so that the animal dies instantly and without pain.

I thought every hunter knew that if you're not going to kill with first shot, you don't shoot.

Generally the point of hunting is to bring home food. In which case they massively suceeded.

There's very little chance of actually killing that massive boar on the first shot unless you came prepared to bag a rhino or a elephant. I highly doubt any of them thought they were going to run across this monster when they brought the guns that they did. A .50 cal is more then enough to down a boar, and most other game.

Anything short of a supersonic .30 + would not have killed on the first shot. Anything large enough to have killed it on the first shot would be unrealistic to go hunting with as you wouldnt be left with meat on a normal boar.

[Tribesman]

Care to elaborate on why you think he's an idiot?

thats a complicated question . lets see ....
Just about any hunter with half a brain goes boar hunting with at least a .38 back up. Now going and hunting a 1,000lb boar with just a pistol is stupid.
that covers it quite well....
now you might notice that used the plural in my post Hosa ......
these are the sort of idiots .....the hunters had rifles as backup , instead of just killing the animal they let a kid with a penis substitute plug away at it.




Funny how many commenting on this "cruel" act are the same folks that don't even bat an eye when a baby is ripped out from the womb of its mother and call it "choice"..
yes dave ......errrrr.... ?:dizzy2:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Anything short of a supersonic .30 + would not have killed on the first shot. Anything large enough to have killed it on the first shot would be unrealistic to go hunting with as you wouldnt be left with meat on a normal boar.

How is a .308 an impractical hunting weapon? What calibur of rifle is there between a .22 ans .308? When do you use a pistol as your primary weapon?

Even if you can't get it on the first shot 3 hours and eight rounds is cruelly sloppy.

If a head shot doesn't kill it it's almost certainly going to bring it down, then you get in the follow up shot to finish it.

[Soulforged]

that covers it quite well....
Also what does a man do when he sees a new wonder of nature? He takes it as a trophy...:no:

[Redleg]

Also what does a man do when he sees a new wonder of nature? He takes it as a trophy...:no:

The problem is that this pig is not a new wonder of nature. Its was just a huge pig.

Hunting with pistols is not a activity I would recommended for anyone.

[HoreTore]

Generally the point of hunting is to bring home food. In which case they massively suceeded.

There's very little chance of actually killing that massive boar on the first shot unless you came prepared to bag a rhino or a elephant. I highly doubt any of them thought they were going to run across this monster when they brought the guns that they did. A .50 cal is more then enough to down a boar, and most other game.

Anything short of a supersonic .30 + would not have killed on the first shot. Anything large enough to have killed it on the first shot would be unrealistic to go hunting with as you wouldnt be left with meat on a normal boar.

A proper way of doing it, would be to go home, get a better rifle, and then go hunting again. Bring along a 7.62 AG-3 rifle, and that boar would be dead within seconds.

[Husar]

the hunters had rifles as backup , instead of just killing the animal they let a kid with a penis substitute plug away at it.
I think that's one of the best points made here.
If they were underequipped, how could they say something like:

His father said that, just to be extra safe, he and the guides had high-powered rifles aimed and ready to fire in case the beast with 5- inch tusks decided to charge.
Sounds like hunting for trophies and fun to me, otherwise they could have killed the pig right away...

[Major Robert Dump]

Boars maul people. Thats how they attack. You don't go boar hunting with just a rifle or a shotgun unless you plan on shooting a friend. Boars are best killed with large caliber handguns. you guys are misguided.

on a side note, the kid had people acting as snipers following him when he was chasing down the kill.....it almost seems orchestrated. Too bad the pig didnt kill someone

[Hosakawa Tito]

Again, I inquire if any of the critics have ever hunted big game? Until recently, I have hunted big & small game all my life. An activity passed down to me from my Father at a very young age. I remember tagging along and being carried on his shoulders as a 5 year old during his forays into the woods. A common practice in the rural north-western Pennsylvania communities my family comes from (opening day of deer season is a State holiday because so many hunting age children and their Dads take the day off from work and school anyway). It's a cultural thing in most rural areas of the US, a "rite of passage" into the rural male community; a bond and social activity shared with your father, uncles, grandfathers, and friends. It's not just about "killing sumptin" as some seem to stereotype it as.
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A little ballistics info: bullet weight velocity energy
S&W .50 cal pistol rd. - 400 gr. 1800 ft/sec 2877 ft/lbs.
12 ga. shotgun slug - 438 gr. 1600 ft/sec 3000 ft/lbs.
.308 cal rifle rd. - 180 gr. 2600 ft/sec 2750 ft/lbs.

The .50 cal pistol rd. and 12 ga. slug are almost identical ballistically. From my near 40 years of experience shooting and hunting with a 12 ga. shotgun this is astounding, mind boggling power from any handgun. Effective range for both 100-150 yds.
From my experience with the .308, the main difference is effective range because of the velocity and more ballistically efficient characteristics of the bullet. Effective range 300-500 yds. and even farther for a crack-shot.

Why opt for a pistol over a rifle then? The same reason some hunt with bows over a scoped rifle...the challenge.
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but please show us all what lengths you can goto to justify your own sadistic cruelty
Trolling are we...

Could the taking of this animal have been done more quickly and humanely. Certainly could and should have, and is the goal of any hunters I've ever been associated with. However, anyone that has any practical experience hunting wildgame realizes that this type situation can and does happen.

[HoreTore]

Hosakawa Tito, the fact that the boar took 3 hours to kill shows that these hunters did it very, very wrong. It should have been killed within seconds. And yes, that is possible. Take a semi-automatic 7.62 rifle like the AG-3, and you would use 2-3 seconds shooting all the shots(and well-placed too) you needed to kill it almost instantly.

Also, the fact that the adults with the boy merely covered him, shows that the point of this hunt was for the boy to have some fun, not to kill the animal as quickly as possible with the least amount of pain. Instead, they opted to torture the animal for a long time. That's usually called sadism.

I refuse to call these people hunters. They should be called "killers" instead.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Not knowing all the particulars of the incident it's hard to say their actions were intentionally cruel and sadistic imo; possibly just misguided and wrong.
If someone had a shot with a rifle after the initial wounding, then they should have attempted to dispatch the animal (there might not have been a good shot available). Not doing so is wrong and I heartily agree with that. Allowing the lad to take the initial opportunity to take the animal, nothing at all wrong with that, how else is a young hunter to gain experience?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I bet those who think it cruel would call it real sport if he had used a bow and arrows lol. The reason hunters want to take big game down with one shot is for their own saftey not for any inherant concern for the well being of the animal or its suffering lol.

[HoreTore]

Not knowing all the particulars of the incident it's hard to say their actions were intentionally cruel and sadistic imo; possibly just misguided and wrong.
If someone had a shot with a rifle after the initial wounding, then they should have attempted to dispatch the animal (there might not have been a good shot available). Not doing so is wrong and I heartily agree with that. Allowing the lad to take the initial opportunity to take the animal, nothing at all wrong with that, how else is a young hunter to gain experience?

Well, as the article stated, the adults with him had rifles aimed at the animal, but they didn't shoot. So, I say it's sadism.

I don't disagree with giving the boy the initial opportunity, if the others felt that he was good enough to kill it quickly. It turns out that he wasn't, but that's a consideration that has to be taken on the spot, and I don't blame anyone if it turns out wrong. However, they should have taken measures to ensure that if the pig didn't go down at once, they could immediately shoot it down.


The reason hunters want to take big game down with one shot is for their own saftey not for any inherant concern for the well being of the animal or its suffering lol.

I have no idea how the culture is where you live, but here, that's the reason. We don't hunt animals capable of hurting you here(few such animals exist, and the ones who do are illegal to hunt), but still we want to kill it with the first shot. There are two reasons for that, the first is the quality of the meat, the second is to prevent unnecessary pain for the animal. I'm not sure I want to believe you when you say that american hunters doesn't care about animal cruelty though.

[Hosakawa Tito]

The reason hunters want to take big game down with one shot is for their own saftey not for any inherant concern for the well being of the animal or its suffering

From my experience and the way I was taught and raised; I must disagree, though like everything else there are exceptions. However, I do find it interesting that a Native American killing wildgame with bow & arrow or spears can be portrayed/considered as "noble", while Johnny Cornbread doing the same type challenge as cruel & sadistic. It's all about perceptions, and the real world of predators and prey is no Disney Land theme park. Some animals die, so that others may live and man is still a part of this cycle.

I have no idea how the culture is where you live, but here, that's the reason. We don't hunt animals capable of hurting you here(few such animals exist, and the ones who do are illegal to hunt), but still we want to kill it with the first shot. There are two reasons for that, the first is the quality of the meat, the second is to prevent unnecessary pain for the animal. I'm not sure I want to believe you when you say that american hunters doesn't care about animal cruelty though.
Gawains' comment not withstanding, the great majority of hunters in our culture have feelings and goals toward the humane pursuit of hunting & taking game as yours.

[Spetulhu]

Kudos for taking responsibility and staying with their prey until they made sure it was bagged. That's the way a proper hunter does it. He shot it, he makes sure it's dead.

And a kick in the crotch for taking eight shots at the animal without hitting anything vital enough to keep it down. Bigger animals than this drop with one bullet if you know what you're doing. Spine, heart or lungs FTW.

PS: If a hunter wants the challenge of using weapons other than a rifle then go ahead. Arrows have been used to kill with since the late stone age so I think they have a proven record. Big sixguns are fine if you can sneak close enough to aim properly. Just train first and make sure you have the skills to track down the animal if it doesn't drop dead immediately.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The big issue I have with hunting with a handgun is accuracy, most hand guns aren't arrurate beyond 50 metres if that and I have trouble believing a boy could even aim the thing properly.

I'm well aware boars gore, but they only attack when they feel threatened. That said they seem to have a broad definition of threatening behavior. In any case if I'm 50 metres or more away, down wind, why shouldn't I use a rifle?

[Husar]

If boars are that dangerous, why did the other hunters just watch the whole thing with their "high-powered rifles" while the 11 year-old boy kept missing/failing to kill the boar with his new .50 toy pistol?

Doesn't sound like they were vewry concerned, sounds more like they were ready to kill the beast had it started to get dangerous for them, but as long as it was running away, they let the boy have his fun harassing the animal.
And hunting for fun is something I don't like.:thumbsdown:

[Yun Dog]

Hosakawa Tito

yep Ive hunted wild pigs and roos

1. we always used high power rifles - this was not a game
2. my mate (who was a more experienced hunter) always aimed at the target with me - if my shot failed to take the animal down - then his would not fail and would come seconds after mine - THIS IS HOW YOU KILL A LIVING THING - QUICKLY

3. I understand your trying to draw from your own experience here but I do hope your experience is not comparable to this spectacle

4. why are you defending these sickos - I am starting to think you know alot about hunting but have gained small wisdom from it, and am losing some respect

bottom line - you dont practice on living things - a hunter would know that

edit: added not

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Gawains' comment not withstanding, the great majority of hunters in our culture have feelings and goals toward the humane pursuit of hunting & taking game as yours.

I was reffering to why hi powered rifles were designed and used by big game hunters mostly in Africa not here in the US unless your hunting bear. They had no compulsion back then for the animals as we do today. Sorry if i came off as callous. Im a real animal lover.

[PanzerJaeger]

We've a lot of vegetarians here at the org.... or a lot of hypocrites. :yes:

[KukriKhan]

We've a lot of vegetarians here at the org.... or a lot of hypocrites. :yes:

So what grain & caliber do you recommend for bagging a 5 pound cucumber?












Sorry folks. I saw the set - I took the shot. My bad. :thumbsdown:

[Papewaio]

Isn't banging a cucumber a bit x-rated? ~;) ~:smoking:

[KukriKhan]

Isn't banging a cucumber a bit x-rated?

I guess you're right, in a philosophical kinda way. I shudda asked about the cauliflower.

[Samurai Waki]

I've shot lots of animals before, but I generally use my Canon EOS-1D (Camera) instead of a high powered rifle (or pistol:inquisitive: ). I've always reserved the right to killing animals as mostly a ceremonial thing, and not the whimsical fantasies of rednecks with nothing better to do. I can understand where killing animals is beneficial because of over population or your starving and can't afford food or theres none around, but to kill it as a game... I don't know, it sort of cheapens the draw and makes the world less exciting for the worldly observers who like to look beyond the long and ever encroaching maw of civilization.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I was reffering to why hi powered rifles were designed and used by big game hunters mostly in Africa not here in the US unless your hunting bear. They had no compulsion back then for the animals as we do today. Sorry if i came off as callous. Im a real animal lover.

Oh I don't know. Generally hunters have always had a level of compassion, remember they stalk and track animals for a living. You don't get good at that without getting to know the animals you hunt.

Personnally I'm of the opinion that hunting is fine if your going to eat it or it's vermin after your sheep.

[Gregoshi]

Like with all human endeavours, there are good people and bad people. Hunters are no different. My wife's uncle I consider a good hunter. Example: several years ago he decided to try hunting deer with a bow & arrow. He hit one and it took off. He tracked it for 2-3 hours but lost the trail in a swampy area. He was very upset with the whole episode and he hasn't picked up the bow since.

[Fragony]

There are also good things and bad things, it's ok to hunt out of necesity like they do in africa, but when you hunt for sport at least be honest about what you are doing, shooting animals for your own enjoyment. We have hunters here that claim they balance the eco-system, but they also kill birds of prey because they rather balance the ecosystem themselves.

[Gregoshi]

Pretty much all the males in my family hunted, so it was natural that I give it a try. I hunted as a teenager but gave it up after a couple of years (for bowling!). I liked the being in the woods part, but wasn't that crazy about the shooting the animal part. I have some very fond (and powerful) memories of hunting - watching a sunrise from a mountain top and seeing the world wake up below and I'll tell you the best sandwich I ever had was one I sat on for about 5-6 hours while deer hunting. :laugh4:

I do agree with you Fragony, that there are good reasons and bad reasons for hunting. Unfortunately, you can't make your motivation to hunt a reason to issue or not issue a license. The hunters in my family always ate what they killed. Venison summer sausage is awesome. :2thumbsup:

[English assassin]

I must say I am very surprised at the muzzle energy quoted for the pistol. The same as a 12 bore firing solid slugs? Can that be right? How the :daisy: would you hold it?

If it IS right, then there can be no complaint about the round used. 12 bore with solid slugs are considered fine for shooting boar in the UK. The kid obviously can't shoot for :daisy:, though, and needs to get back onto the range until he can be fairly sure of a one shot kill. OK, two, that can happen. But eight?


Why opt for a pistol over a rifle then? The same reason some hunt with bows over a scoped rifle...the challenge

I am so not going into bow hunting here, but this does raise an interesting issue about what is "sporting". In the UK, a rifle shooter will only take a shot if he is as sure as he can be that its a clean kill. That is the ethics, and that is considered sporting. A game shooter, on the other hand, considers it sporting to shoot in a way that shows his skill, and that may give the game "a chance" (hence in part why sbs are preferred on posh shoots, as opposed on o/u. And turn up with a semi auto and the colonel will never invite you again. Also why you never shoot game on the ground)

Possibly this is simply because you can never be "sure" of a clean kill shooting birds with a shotgun, but its still an odd inversion of the stalking rule.

[Pannonian]

I do agree with you Fragony, that there are good reasons and bad reasons for hunting. Unfortunately, you can't make your motivation to hunt a reason to issue or not issue a license. The hunters in my family always ate what they killed. Venison summer sausage is awesome. :2thumbsup:
Does Dick Cheney hunt for sport or for food?

[Pannonian]

I am so not going into bow hunting here, but this does raise an interesting issue about what is "sporting". In the UK, a rifle shooter will only take a shot if he is as sure as he can be that its a clean kill. That is the ethics, and that is considered sporting. A game shooter, on the other hand, considers it sporting to shoot in a way that shows his skill, and that may give the game "a chance" (hence in part why sbs are preferred on posh shoots, as opposed on o/u. And turn up with a semi auto and the colonel will never invite you again.
Is it OK to use a belt-fed with tripod?

Imagines hunting deer with an MG42.

[Devastatin Dave]

Does Dick Cheney hunt for sport or for food?
Actually it was for punch lines!!!:laugh4:

[Goofball]

Wolves don't kill a deer before they eat it, they rip it apart as they go.

Wolves do this because:

1) They have no money. This means they can't afford a gun.

2) They have very tiny brains. So even if they could afford a gun, they wouldn't be able to figure out how to use it.

3) They have no thumbs. So even if they were to become rich and smart, they wouldn't be able to properly aim and fire a gun.

Believe me, if wolves could overcome the above three obstacles, they would most definitely try to take down their prey with as few shots as possible, in order to conserve energy and ammunition. Or, more probably, they would simply go to the supermarket with their newfound riches, brains and thumbs, buy a few steaks and a box of beer, then sit around on their decks with their friends laughing at the idiot humans who still insist on going out and getting their food the hard way...

At any rate, what this boy did was a very poor example of hunting.

I make no moral judgement about the the rightness or wrongness of hunting, either for sustenance or for trophies.

This was a clear and simple case of a person who was not skilled enough to do a job properly trying to do said job without the proper tools. The result was that an animal had to suffer a great deal.

:shame:

[Gregoshi]

This was a clear and simple case of a person who was not skilled enough to do a job properly trying to do said job without the proper tools. The result was that an animal had to suffer a great deal.

Well, daddy got his kid to be famous, so it was worth it, right? ~:rolleyes:

[Devastatin Dave]

LOL!!!
http://www.monsterpig.com/negative_comments.htm
Did any you guys post there?!?!?:laugh4:

[Yun Dog]

LOL!!!
http://www.monsterpig.com/negative_comments.htm
Did any you guys post there?!?!?:laugh4:

Nah but some of those comments are a little bit frietening

I was in my confort zone thinking OMG 'crazy religeous/animal rights fanatical americans - and then I read the last one and became scared

some of those wouldve been stuff I thought - but really it just reinforces the cycle of stupidity that spawned this event, and the kids prolly thinking - Ill bag me some of them animal lovers with my 0.50 if they show their asses round here.

sometimes I think the apocolypse of man cant come quickly enough

:laugh4: :laugh4:

[ajaxfetish]

Does Dick Cheney hunt for sport or for food?
I lost all respect for him when he failed to finish off and eat his friend. What a cruel waste. :shame:

Ajax

[Gregoshi]

No, the guy was 78 years old and a lawyer. That would have been some tough meat and probably bad tasting. Besides, with Dick being a politician, eating a lawyer is nearly canabalism.

[Subedei]

Now ain´t this sweeet? From the positive side of feedback little 11 year old got:

"It's better to be involved in Hunting, Fishing or sports than out doing drugs or drinking. I have to say that I was more glad to read that you are a brother in Christ than killing the hog but that is icing on the cake. May God bless you as you get older and pray for his guidance in your life.

PS. Don't listen to those crazy people on the other side just pray that god will take the hate out of them.. "


:wall: Now I am reallly scared. What does hunting and staff have to do with doing drugs? BTW some hunters in my country drink liquor while wating for prey...and every now and then shoot each other...like Dick C. over in the US of A.

Plus: If i ain´t totally wrong...maybe little hunter will weigh in quiet heavy in a couple of years too....esp. with so much sausage.....:beam:

I wondered what it sounds like if one of these huge animals screams...

[Orb]

Well, one thing I think noone had picked up on when I last read this was that The father and the guides all had rifles aimed at the hog, but let it to suffer so that the kid could shoot it down and get famous

That is animal cruelty. Causing it to suffer so that a kid can feel better/ get famous. Now, I can also understand that the father would feel pretty bad for denying his kid the chance of going after such a huge beast 'alone' or risking reducing his spirit, but by the time a three hour chase has gone on, that should not be considered reasonable.

[Gregoshi]

A couple of points:

1) I retract my earlier comment about the photos not being to scale. Upon further review, in the picture from the side with the kid behind it, the scale is right if the kid is kneeling. When I first looked at it, I thought the kid was standing behind it. Kneeling though, makes the boar look unnaturally large, especially in the side view. My bad.

2) In trying to put myself into their mind set while hunting the boar, I doubt any of them thought it would take 8 shots to kill the beast. After the first couple, I'd imagine they'd be thinking "it has to go down on the next shot." If I read the article right, the kid did put the boar out of its suffering when he had the chance on the last shot at close range - it must have collapsed but was still alive. It is much easier to know what the right thing to do is when you have the benefit of hindsight.

3) Unless they knew this monsterous boar was there, I doubt the initial thought of the dad was "my boy is gonna be world famous!" Though the fact that there were guides and it took place on a commercial hunting preserve, makes me think at least the guides knew of the boar...and the dad did have the saavy to think of putting up a web site...hmmm, maybe I'm giving dad more benefit of the doubt than he deserves.

[Major Robert Dump]

hahahah I called it :daisy:.

It's all a sham. It was a domesicated pig named Fred. I knew this crap was staged. No wonder he had to chase ity three hours, it was confounded at being shot in the butt witha 50 caliber. Any real boar would have turned at that little fat kid and charged him after the first shot.

I love the internet tubes and its vastness of info......

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Linky?

[KukriKhan]

Linky?

Anniston (georgia, us) Star (http://www.annistonstar.com/showcase/2007/as-open-0601-bstrickland-7f01i1244.htm)

whups...Alabama, not georgia.

[Husar]

Phil Blissitt purchased the pig for his wife as a Christmas gift in December of 2004.
:laugh4:

[KukriKhan]

Originally Posted by article
Phil Blissitt purchased the pig for his wife as a Christmas gift in December of 2004.

:laugh4:
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You mean you've never been caught short a gift at christmas, ya hit the 7-11 and see the cheesy fake roses, ya go to the $.99 store and get disgusted by the third-hand unicorn stationery, then get the bright idea: give the gift that keeps on giving... a piglet. It's small, cute, the grandkids love it... Genius!

That's never happened to you?


You haven't lived, man.

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To the issue of a kid with a bear-killer pistol, being allowed by Dad to spend 3 hours and 8 (9?) rounds to bring down a domestic swine in a so-called 'game preserve' whilst guides and Dad attended with sufficient dispatching hardware - I wonder if Dad's Dad ever took him hunting.

I blame the Grandpa, for not sufficiently imparting hunting etiquette and ethic. I say this as a gun-owning, hunting, Grandpa.

[Banquo's Ghost]

You mean this story is hogwash?

[Pannonian]

This story boars me.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It rather re-inforces the point of those of us who called the whole thing a cruel shambles, doesn't it.

[Gregoshi]

You mean this story is hogwash?
Its all one squealy big sty. It shows you that the pen is mightier than the boar.

(man that was awful :no: )

[InsaneApache]

(man that was awful :no: )

Yes, a bit of a ham fisted attempt there Greg, luckily I'm around to save your bacon. I'll trot off now. :sweatdrop:

[Fragony]

Matthew 7:6 GWT: "Don't give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls to pigs."

[JR-]

What kind of idiot sees something like this and thinks "I got to kill it"

Makes you ashamed to be human
"500 to 700 pounds of saugage"

wild boar sausage!!!

i definitely would have had a crack

[Banquo's Ghost]

Yes, a bit of a ham fisted attempt there Greg, luckily I'm around to save your bacon. I'll trot off now. :sweatdrop:

Gah. Yours was snout to be proud of. ~;p

[HoreTore]

Gah, I wish I was good enough in english to compete in the pun-games...

[Pannonian]

Gah, I wish I was good enough in english to compete in the pun-games...
It's trotten to see a game that one is not able to play in, although it may be a blessing not to reveal just how ham-fisted one is with words. Still the decision is yours: whether 'tis rasher to play, or rasher not to.

[InsaneApache]

Gah. Yours was snout to be proud of. ~;p

You're just trying to forment truffle!

You made a right pigs ear of this intervention.

[Banquo's Ghost]

You made a right pigs ear of this intervention.

Come rind here and say that!

[Gregoshi]

No ribbing to be spared, I see. We've turned this thread into a real pig pun.

[InsaneApache]

No ribbing to be spared, I see. We've turned this thread into a real pig pun.

That's our sty-le.

[Ja'chyra]

Spam

[InsaneApache]

Spam

Indeed. Pork and Ham.