NATO - Warsaw Pact conflict

[shlin28]

:beam:

To the French Republic and the wider world:
Paris is saved! Thanks to the bravery of the French people, the air forces of General Franco amongst others, and many many others, France remains a free country. In light of this great event, the government of France, appeals to the people of Aquitaine, and the members of the French Communist Party, to stand down, and once again become loyal citizens of the Republic! Together, we can save France, the Europe and perhaps the world, from despot dictatorships! Onwards citizens, to freedom and justice!


:smash:

[Derfasciti]

OOC: I find it deeply ironic that democratic capitalism and communism to fight fascism just 25 years before now when fascism and democratic capitalism join to fight communism. :dizzy2:

[woad&fangs]

Can I play as Spain?

[Marshal Murat]

there weeks events
People of Europe, do you trust a leader who cannot spell or use correct grammar?

[shlin28]

It should have been "these weeks' events" :smash:


:clown:

[Derfasciti]

Sheesh, grammar fascists here. Franco's taking a hold of you guys already. :end:

[King Jan III Sobieski]

I, Georgios Papandréou, have been instructed by his most serene majesty Constantine II, to display his pride in Greece's fellow NATO members' courageous fighting spirit. :smg: :hmg:

Prime Minister Papandréou

[shlin28]

Much appreciated :beam:

Are we the one with the bigger gun? :laugh4:

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Much appreciated :beam:

Are we the one with the bigger gun? :laugh4:

Of course! :yes:

[King Kurt]

Our bigger gun has a name - it is the B52
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b52-bomb.jpg

[Tran]

Also, deadline for decisions is 23 November 2007
I believe today is already 24 November but I have only received decisions from Derfasciti :yes:


Can I play as Spain?
Spain is not a playable nation. Do you want to play other nation instead?

[King Kurt]

Sorry Tran - real life has intervened - my moves on monday

[Tran]

No problem, no rush, keep me inform and everything will be fine :2thumbsup:

[shlin28]

:embarassed: I thought it was due for the 28th...

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Mi dispiace - decisions are submitted! :sweatdrop: :sweatdrop: :sweatdrop:

[Marshal Murat]

Sorry Tran. Life was a hectic, etc etc.

I'll get right on them.

[seireikhaan]

Give me another day or two, Tran, I'm simply swamped right now.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

No problem, no rush, keep me inform and everything will be fine :2thumbsup:

Especially the Warsaw Pact nations...they're in no hurry because they're on the verge of annihilation!

Constantine II. of Greece

[MaddenKhan2]

Can I play as Hungary please? :beam:

[shlin28]

The government of France awaits faithfully the destruction of the Warsaw Pact forces, may it be tomorrow, or next week, we will wait patiently until the almight being (Tran) grant us a view of the future (or the present, depends on the time you read this...) !!!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Can I play as Hungary please? :beam:

Communist...:laugh4:

Welcome aboard, Mr. Khan. :yes: :egypt: :yes:

[Marshal Murat]

If your Hungary, then just go eat some pizza or spaghetti!

[Tran]

Announcement:

United States slot is open. Real life issues with Marshal Murat. If anyone want to play as USA please post more detail information about USA (military, political, etc) as stated in the requirements in the first page. This top slot will only be given to the most proficient candidate. Otherwise, I will control the USA. Thank you. :unitedstates:


Can I play as Hungary please? :beam:
Only after you post detail information about Hungary from this period, please. :hungary:


If your Hungary, then just go eat some pizza or spaghetti!
I believe that's Italy :italy:

[Derfasciti]

Welcome, MaddenKhan2. Go forth and look up that info on Romania so we can crush those capitalist dogs. Someone else played Romania before and posted up some good information on them on this thread. You can start with that info.


WOOT! 600th post!!!

[shlin28]

~:mecry:

Would the Hungarians wish to join NATO?




:laugh4: Just wondering...

(PS: around 1275 posts! W00T!!!)

[King Kurt]

Announcement:

United States slot is open. Real life issues with Marshal Murat. If anyone want to play as USA please post more detail information about USA (military, political, etc) as stated in the requirements in the first page. This top slot will only be given to the most proficient candidate. Otherwise, I will control the USA. Thank you. :unitedstates:


Tran

Bad news about Marshal - he was doing a good job as leader of the free world. Had he put his orders in for the move we are waiting for? If he hadn't, I wondered where that left us? - if you are taking over, do you need the PMs we have been sharing?

[Tran]

Tran

Bad news about Marshal - he was doing a good job as leader of the free world. Had he put his orders in for the move we are waiting for? If he hadn't, I wondered where that left us? - if you are taking over, do you need the PMs we have been sharing?
No he hadn't, and yes you might send all PMs you have been sharing so that I can have a general idea on US plan.

[shlin28]

As the most senior NATO government leader here, I would like to ask...did I or did I not send in my order? and please may the mighty host send any US situation info to all NATO states please :yes:

[Tran]

Yes, all NATO players (except the USA) had submitted their orders, unlike the Warsaw Pact, but I shall carry on.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Flag_of_Spain_under_Franco.svg/22px-Flag_of_Spain_under_Franco.svg.png From Generalisimo Francisco Franco to the Soviet Union: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/Flag_of_Spain_under_Franco.svg/22px-Flag_of_Spain_under_Franco.svg.png

We have defeated you once few months ago (http://www.wldcup.com/euro/2004/historical/1964.html), we shall defeat you again.

http://www.footforever.com/CE/Images_CE/Images_Diaporama_CE/CE_00014_1964_Newspaper_Marca_1_en.jpg

[King Jan III Sobieski]

What's the word up in the NATO IH?

[shlin28]

Tran said he will send infomation about America after New Year... :furious3:

[Tran]

:shame: Sorry gentlemen, it is holiday season, so...

https://img525.imageshack.us/img525/83/capture00049am8.jpg

[shlin28]

:shame: Sorry gentlemen, it is holiday season, so...

https://img525.imageshack.us/img525/83/capture00049am8.jpg

Peace is for cowards! France shall have peace when the vile invaders are banished from our fair country; we shall have peace when the brave soldiers who fell for the defence of France are revenged; when the Communist leaders are hung from nooses, then we shall have peace!!! :furious3:

[Derfasciti]

Always with the drama. :coffeenews:

[shlin28]

You dare insult ze French President's honour??? THERE SHALL BE NO PEACE!!!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

You dare insult ze French President's honour??? THERE SHALL BE NO PEACE!!!

Calm down, gentz. :furious3:

[shlin28]

Why should I calm down? My people are dying as I speak! Let the next grand offensive begin!!! To Russia and beyond!

(And has Tran done the next chapter yet? :embarassed:)

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Why should I calm down? My people are dying as I speak! Let the next grand offensive begin!!! To Russia and beyond!

(And has Tran done the next chapter yet? :embarassed:)

Meant no offense, I did.

I, Κωνσταντίνος Β', Βασιλεύς των Ελλήνων, am patiently awaiting information from the international community about the situation at hand. :smash:

[King Kurt]

Tran - it has gone a bit quiet - will we have another chapter??? - I certainly hope so - we have the Communists just where we want them

[Sarmatian]

we have the Communists just where we want them

On your doorstep :laugh4:

[shlin28]

Yes, the Communists are on my doorstep surrounded by angry French patriots prepared to slaughter every single one of you and then stamp on your measly bodies until they are nothing but dust, and then they will put them into a nuke and launch it at Moscow.

I think we have established that we are winning :2thumbsup:

(According to Tran the destruction of the Warsaw Pact forces (ie new chapter) will be later this month)

[Tran]

I have decided to release some declassified Cold War era reports from mid-1960's which I have been using as sources for this Interactive, and can be viewed here (http://www.4shared.com/dir/5000338/6995608c/sharing.html)

The fact that these information were acknowledged within intelligence community meant that both NATO and Warsaw Pact leaders know very well about the opposing force, terrain, and many others vital information. I believe both NATO and Warsaw Pact players here want to know about these kind of information as well.

Consider these as valuable military knowledge :army:

Edit: I will try to complete the next chapter late this month, at most new chapter should be out on the first week of February.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

I have decided to release some declassified Cold War era reports from mid-1960's which I have been using as sources for this Interactive, and can be viewed here (http://www.4shared.com/dir/5000338/6995608c/sharing.html)

The fact that these information were acknowledged within intelligence community meant that both NATO and Warsaw Pact leaders know very well about the opposing force, terrain, and many others vital information. I believe both NATO and Warsaw Pact players here want to know about these kind of information as well.

Consider these as valuable military knowledge :army:

Edit: I will try to complete the next chapter late this month, at most new chapter should be out on the first week of February.

Molto bene!:yes: :yes: :yes:

[shlin28]

I have decided to release some declassified Cold War era reports from mid-1960's which I have been using as sources for this Interactive, and can be viewed here (http://www.4shared.com/dir/5000338/6995608c/sharing.html)

The fact that these information were acknowledged within intelligence community meant that both NATO and Warsaw Pact leaders know very well about the opposing force, terrain, and many others vital information. I believe both NATO and Warsaw Pact players here want to know about these kind of information as well.

Consider these as valuable military knowledge :army:

Edit: I will try to complete the next chapter late this month, at most new chapter should be out on the first week of February.

Er... maybe its because my intelligence service is very badly disorganised after the siege of Paris, but none of the infomation make any sense to me :embarassed:

[shlin28]

Alas, our grand offensive has yet to commence :embarassed:

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Alas, our grand offensive has yet to commence :embarassed:

:smg: :smg: :smg: :smg: :hmg: :hmg: :hmg: :hmg:

Can't we all get along??? :wizard:

[Tran]

CHAPTER 7

16 November 1964 – 22 November 1964

Snow has fallen across Scandinavia and much of the northern part of Soviet Union. The cold weather in these countries were also felt in many other countries in Europe. Even though the weather is cool, heat fueled by the tense atmosphere of war in Europe gave more lasting impression to the soldiers of NATO and Warsaw Pact. For them, World War Three had occurred more than one month ago. For nearly ten thousands Norwegian soldiers on Varanger Peninsula and close to the Norwegian-Soviet border, snowstorm and cold weather seemed like miracle with the breakdown of many Soviet war machines. The miracle was short-lived however, and the heat of the battle intensified with the approaching Soviet soldiers from the west and east of Kirkenes. From the west, around 20,000 desperate Soviet soldiers tried to return to their country, and from the east another 11,000 Soviet soldiers would attempt "to clean" the area near the border from the Norwegian soldiers. On the Barents Sea, Soviet submarines persistently attack NATO vessels, preventing any naval support. The Norwegians have strong air support and they were able to hold themselves, for a while. After five days, Soviet superior numbers ensured the defeat of the Norwegians and as many as 2,000 Norwegian soldiers were captured. Another 3,000 Norwegian troops on Varanger Peninsula, near Vadsø, were not able to give much assistance to their companions. Later, the Soviets established defensive perimeter near the border.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Trans/NATO%20-%20Warsaw%20Pact/Chapter%2007/Assault_Poland.jpgPoland, even though was still considered as an ally by the Soviet Union, has now became military target for the Soviet troops attempting to restore order and rescue thousands of their comrades trapped inside the country. Over 100 Soviet strategic bombers like the Tu-95 bomber, with several fighter squadrons escort, conducted massive bombardments of known anti-communist locations and concentrations within Poland. Nearly all eastern part of Poland experienced total blackout due to the destruction of many power plants inside the country. The blackout caused great havoc within the country, and immediately three main offensive were launched by the Soviet ground forces. On northern Poland, Soviet forces near the border south of Kaliningrad, moved toward Gdańsk. After several bitter engagements with the anti-communist Polish forces, Soviet troops broke Polish defense perimeter at Vistula River and they faced large number of anti-communist forces near the city. On eastern Poland, after overwhelming several border guard units, Soviet forces advanced and encircled the city of Warsaw. The city of Warsaw itself has been heavily bombarded by Soviet Air Force, and signs of resistance against Soviet troops spread unevenly within the city. While on the southeast of Poland, divisions of Soviet Army advanced rapidly and were stopped on a river east of Kraków due to fortifications constructed and strong resistance given by Polish anti-communist forces. Meanwhile, two Soviet divisions which were previously trapped in northwest Poland were able to continue their move after the arrival of air support and conducted their own offensive toward Szczecin (Stettin). One Soviet division is still trapped inside Poland, however.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Trans/NATO%20-%20Warsaw%20Pact/Chapter%2007/Prisoners.jpgEast of Paris, nearly 40,000 Warsaw Pact troops were surrounded by French soldiers and their allies numbering more than 90,000. The French High Command has decided not to attack the surrounded troops directly but instead, relentless artillery barrages and bombs dropped by NATO aircraft were unleashed. Several Soviets and Czechoslovaks attempted to give sporadic resistance but were immediately beaten back by French forces. After five hours of bombardments, French authority gave pronouncement to the remnants of the surrounded Warsaw Pact troops to surrender. Only few hundreds soldiers chose to surrender and after the time limit given by the French, the bombardments continue for the next 48 hours until virtually Warsaw Pact forces were decimated. At the same time, Warsaw Pact troops on other parts of France began their retreat onto West Germany, on their way east, they also conducted scorched earth policy. Cities like Metz and Nancy were seen burning. 2,000 French prisoners-of-war were also reportedly executed by the Soviets. French soldiers and their allies tried to make a large encirclement from Besancon and south of Belgium. The large scale retreat conducted by the Soviet and Czechoslovak forces avoided most of them from the encirclement, however as many as 3,700 troops couldn't escape in time and were encircled. In the southern part of France, several thousands French troops attempted to restore order at Toulouse and Spanish Army brigades began to enter France. Later, Soviet forces launched dozens of medium-range and long-range missiles aimed at Belgian, Dutch, and French military installations, some missed their target, some which did caused devastating impact, particularly in Belgium.

In Italy, unlike in other fronts, apart from the continued Soviet bombardments of Verona, no large scale battle took place. The "Italian Socialist Republic" has set up a headquarter at Bologna and continued to broadcast appeal to the Italian people to join their cause. The Yugoslavs also broadcasted similar appeal. In addition, the Italian Revolutionary Front established their own council and issued an edict of surrender to all Italian troops within Warsaw Pact territory. Although signs of capitulation from Italian troops remain to be seen, the chaos in Genoa and Milan finally grew into large and open rebellion against the Italian authority, and street battle became common scenes. On the city of Verona, which is now smoldered in ruins, most of the civilian populations have been evacuated west, however several thousands Italian troops remain inside the city and continue to construct more fortifications. On the mountain at northeast Italy, Italian Alpini mountain brigades began to conduct guerilla warfare and harass Warsaw Pact troops in the area.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Trans/NATO%20-%20Warsaw%20Pact/Chapter%2007/Bulgarian_Sailors.jpgSouthern Bulgaria has now turned into site of several battles between NATO and Warsaw Pact forces, while Bulgaria as a whole has been targeted by American strategic bombers. In contrast to previous weeks, Soviet and Bulgarian aircraft patrol the sky day and night, and night bombing tactic employed by American bombers on Bulgarian airfields was less successful. Many Bulgarian and Soviet fighters within the country avoided being bombed. On southwest Bulgaria, Italian troops attempted to capture the city of Blagoevgrad but were repeatedly repelled by the Bulgarians. After days of inconclusive battle, Yugoslav forces struck from west and pushed Greek forces out of Bulgaria. Italian forces south of Blagoevgrad face the danger of being trapped by both Yugoslav and Bulgarian forces, in which a Bulgarian battalion has recently arrived east of the city. Greek forces around the town of Gotse Dalchev also face similar danger. On southeast Bulgaria, sometimes referred as "Eastern Thrace", the battles swung on NATO's favor, particularly along the Black Sea coast. Largely due to combined air and naval support, Turkish forces met little opposition along the way and captured the port city of Burgas which has been subjected to constant aerial and naval bombardments for five days. Near Svilengrad, however, NATO forces encountered stiff resistance. The area was a stalemate until American B-52 bombers opened the path for NATO offensive and pushed Soviet and Bulgarian forces. The city of Svilengrad was captured by NATO troops. At the end of the week, American B-52 strategic bombers attacked Romanian oil installations while several other B-52 bombers conducted a raid on Bucharest, the capital city of Romania. Oil rigs, refineries, and many government and communication infrastructures were heavily damaged, while the fate of Romanian leader is uncertain.

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Trans/NATO%20-%20Warsaw%20Pact/Chapter%2007/Scud_Launcher.jpgCaucasus front appears to have become stalemate, but only for few days. Soviet forces launched dozens of Scud and other conventional cruise missiles aimed toward Batumi. The result was very devastating. Over five thousands Turkish soldiers, thousands of anti-Soviet resistance fighters, and many civilians on the area died as a result, while many others were badly injured.

Decisions
…will affect the events from 23 November 1964 to 29 November 1964…


Map of the latest situation in Norway (https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Trans/NATO%20-%20Warsaw%20Pact/Chapter%2007/Field%20Situation/Norway.jpg)
Map of the latest situation in France (https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Trans/NATO%20-%20Warsaw%20Pact/Chapter%2007/Field%20Situation/France.jpg)
Map of the latest situation in Poland (https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Trans/NATO%20-%20Warsaw%20Pact/Chapter%2007/Field%20Situation/Poland.jpg)
Map of the latest situation in Bulgaria (https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Trans/NATO%20-%20Warsaw%20Pact/Chapter%2007/Field%20Situation/Bulgaria.jpg)

[shlin28]

From the French President to Soldiers of the Warsaw Pact:

The tide is turning, soldiers of the Warsaw Pact. Your forces are being routed at all fronts, your morales are plumetting as we speak, yet you still fight? Your leaders have abandoned you! Your officers has ordered you to commit horrendous atrocities! Why are you fighting with those barbarians? Surrender today, at any French garrison near you.

Remember, you can surrender and live, or choose to await the day when the might of French Republic smite thee like a nuclear bomb against a gnat!


From the French President to Leaders of the Warsaw Pact:

You have ordered you men to commit atrocities the likes the world has never seen before, I make this promise to you Stalins, when the victorious NATO forces storm the Kremlin, you shall hang from the tallest tower to the lowest cellar!


From the French President to the brave Polish resistance fighters:

Brave comrades, you have fought well, and victory will be upon you soon! I, President de Gaulle, promise that NATO forces shall aid you as much as possible. Remember, every second that you delay the enemy, every telephone wires cut and every barrels of oil burnt, is bringing victory closer and closer, keep up the good work fellow freedom fighters!


Great write up Tran!

[seireikhaan]

From President of Yugoslavia, Josip Broz Tito

To the NATO troops in Bulgaria, I urge you all to surrender. You are surrounded and there is little hope for you in combat. If you do not lay down your arms, then we shall spare little mercy for you. If you fight, we will not hesitate to put down resistance. However, if you surrender and lay down arms, there may be chance for you to return to your families. For your sake, and theirs as well, I urge you to surrender.

To NATO troops in Verona, I offer a similar message. The city is surrounded, and furthermore, you are tresspassing in the rightful territory of the Italian Socialist Republic. Surrender to the IRS, and I am sure they will treat you with proper respect. However, continuing to resist Warsaw Pact forces leaves the Pact little choice when it comes to your fates when the city falls. Surrender the city, and the Warsaw Pact will be dutifully honorable, fight, and we have no choice but to punish you when the city is taken.

To the resistors in Poland, I urge you to stop this madness. Poland joined the Warsaw Pact of its own free will, and now you would undermine its efforts during war? That is treason, and cannot be permitted. Stop this madness, before even more chaos envelops your lands. Undermining Warsaw efforts has only brought yourselves more chaos, more difficulties, more pain. I ask that, for your sake more than anything else, that you stop this madness.

[King Kurt]

Tran - great write up as always - I will have my Turks in Vienna yet!!

Will you be PMing us with details of our standing or do you want us to ask questions for you to respond to?
Also, is the USA problem solved? - is Marshall back or what? - anything we can do to help?
Finally are we going to have an end date?

[Tran]

Tran - great write up as always - I will have my Turks in Vienna yet!!

Will you be PMing us with details of our standing or do you want us to ask questions for you to respond to?
Also, is the USA problem solved? - is Marshall back or what? - anything we can do to help?
Finally are we going to have an end date?
Enquiry seems a better option so that I know what kind of specific info players want.

If it is okay, deadline will be 29 February. USA slot is vacant, Marshal Murat is busy, hopefully someone will fill in within the month. It keeps things in balance with two superpowers filled.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Enquiry seems a better option so that I know what kind of specific info players want.

If it is okay, deadline will be 29 February. USA slot is vacant, Marshal Murat is busy, hopefully someone will fill in within the month. It keeps things in balance with two superpowers filled.

Excellent well!
- Constantine, King of the Hellenes

[Sarathos]

If no one else is in, I will be glad to take the USA mantle for now. But you guys might have to give me a little run-down of the rules.

[shlin28]

Hurray! We may have a leader again! I hope you can write pages upon pages of strategies like your predesccessor! (might have spelt it wrong, we French had always hated the English language)

[Sarathos]

Sure, just tell me what Im writing about.

[Tran]

@Sarathos: You're welcome. Which rules seem to be the problem?

==

A message from the leaders of the Italian Socialist Republic to the Italian public:

People of Italy, the time is now! Throw off the shackles of imperialist capitalism, and join the freedom and equity of the Italian Socialist Republic! How long have the capitalists forced you to work in factories or shops or mines for barely decent wages, while they live in opulence? How long has your family not had even the basic requirements it deserves? Take up arms against the NATO oppressors, who would rather you stay in an endless cycle of poverty than discover teh truth that every man deserves a decent income, that every man deserves proper health care, that every man deserves to be able to have basic necessities which should be guaranteed by his very humanity! Take up arms against these pigs, who gorge themselves off of the fruits of your labor! Take up arms to guarantee your true freedom, your true happiness, your true equality! People of Italy, the time is now!

[shlin28]

@Sarathos: You're welcome. Which rules seem to be the problem?

==

A message from the leaders of the Italian Socialist Republic to the Italian public:

People of Italy, the time is now! Throw off the shackles of imperialist capitalism, and join the freedom and equity of the Italian Socialist Republic! How long have the capitalists forced you to work in factories or shops or mines for barely decent wages, while they live in opulence? How long has your family not had even the basic requirements it deserves? Take up arms against the NATO oppressors, who would rather you stay in an endless cycle of poverty than discover teh truth that every man deserves a decent income, that every man deserves proper health care, that every man deserves to be able to have basic necessities which should be guaranteed by his very humanity! Take up arms against these pigs, who gorge themselves off of the fruits of your labor! Take up arms to guarantee your true freedom, your true happiness, your true equality! People of Italy, the time is now!
:furious3:

You backstabbing socialists, after all we did for you in the world wars...

FEAR THE WRATH OF THE FRENCH ALPINE BRIGADES! (FAB for short) They shall strike at your mountain strongholds and free the Italians from the true oppressors!!!

Welcome to Sarathos though, will pm you our grand invasion plan when I got time.

[Csargo]

:furious3:

You backstabbing socialists, after all we did for you in the world wars...

FEAR THE WRATH OF THE FRENCH ALPINE BRIGADES! (FAB for short) They shall strike at your mountain strongholds and free the Italians from the true oppressors!!!

Welcome to Sarathos though, will pm you our grand invasion plan when I got time.

:huh:

[shlin28]

:huh:

Er... maybe I don't have an actual plan yet, but I got some ideas plus I'm waiting for a couple replies from Tran about the military situation :yes:

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Er... maybe I don't have an actual plan yet, but I got some ideas plus I'm waiting for a couple replies from Tran about the military situation :yes:

GO CAPITALISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:yes: :beam: :laugh4: :smash: :whip:

[Sarathos]

Just a quick question Tran, am I only playing till Marshal comes back or for the rest of the game? Because I'm really getting into this and I actually know how to play now. Watch out Soviet Russia, you will be getting a visit from Uncle Sam real soon.

[Tran]

You have control of USA. Marshal Murat has tight schedules so he won't be able to play anymore, so the fate of USA now is in your hand :jumping:

[Derfasciti]

Nice write up, Tran. Thanks for the update. Will try to have decisions in on the date but I can't promise. :hide:

[Sarathos]

Btw Tran, do I have to make any decisions this chapter? Considering I only just joined and don't know what I have to decide about.

[Tran]

You might make your decisions now, or save them for later.

[Derfasciti]

If at all possible Tran, i'd like an extended date for orders. As I just got the more pertinent information today, and just fowarded to the other WP players (GMM, who seems missing at the moment) we're gonna need a fair bit of time to coordinate i'm afraid. :/

[shlin28]

We, the great and the democratically elected leaders of democratic countries who suffer no oppression or vote-rigging, also requires extra time... some of my allies seems to be too busy hunting down mafia in some backwater town in America :laugh4:

[Csargo]

I'm not really sure how the turns are working now. Could someone explain? Also, it would be nice to have some extra time.

[Tran]

Well, the host needs extra time too... :beam:

How about 14 March, is that an okay date?


(GMM, who seems missing at the moment)
Yeah, I haven't heard anything from him for a while too.

[Csargo]

Last Activity: 11-23-2007 18:09

[seireikhaan]

Last Activity: 11-23-2007 18:09
:sweatdrop: Looks like the Glorious Warsaw Pact nations are in need of a tad more leadership...And I didn't even start off in it...

Any interested parties can send in applications to Comrade Malinovsky at 666 Red Czar Avenue, Moscow, Russia. :jester:

[Derfasciti]

Indeed, we're still open for business. That's right, even on holidays. Although I suppose in Soviet Russia we're sorta lacking in holidays. :coffeenews:

[King Kurt]

Calling all NATO leaders - deadline is tomorrow and their appears to be a lack of a plan - you all know what I am doing - how about you guys????

[shlin28]

Er... yes... er...

I got a basic idea on what to do, but I got a massive German essay to finish today, so I'll have to write it up tomorrow :embarassed:

[Tran]

CHAPTER 8

23 November 1964 – 29 November 1964

Stalemate. After several weeks of heavy fighting in Europe, some fronts came to a deadlock with no significant offensive or military maneuvers took place.

In France, no significant moves took place except for the 7,000-men strong Spanish unit near Avignon which has been ordered to head east into Italy to assist the Italian Army. The areas between Nancy and French-West German border have turned into no-man’s-land.

Following massive crackdown by British authorities in Northern Ireland, dozens of Irish nationalists and their supporters fled the border into Ireland. The Irish government has promised to provide shelter to all “political refugees” in the country, and while it also promised to be neutral in the on-going conflict in Europe, it warned that Ireland will not tolerate the violation of its sovereignty.

In Poland, Soviet forces continue the siege of Gdańsk, Szczecin (Stettin), and Warsaw without attempting to move inside the city themselves. The rest was stalemate. In other news, a Swedish submarine was reportedly sunk near the Polish coast close to Gdańsk.

In Italy, stalemate took place in the city of Verona, where Italian troops continuously resist Soviet attempt to capture the city. However, after reinforcements have arrived from southern part of the country, Italy chose to break the stalemate in other places. https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Trans/NATO%20-%20Warsaw%20Pact/Chapter%2008/trasporto_barchino.gifThe Italian military commenced “Operation Julius”, a series of offensives to recapture occupied Italian territory and cut off Warsaw Pact supply lines from Yugoslavia. Some 4,000 Italian Marines conducted amphibious assault near Venice, backed by Italian naval bombardments, while some 3,000-men strong airborne troops parachuted north of Venice. The Warsaw Pact garrisons near Venice were forced to retreat into Treviso and the battle between Italian troops and Warsaw Pact forces with the support of communist sympathizers continued within the city. On the other parts of Italy, Italian tanks and other armored fighting vehicles rolled from Rimini into Ferrara. The scattered communist garrisons, primarily the Soviets, made their last stand in the city of Ferrara. While other Italian armored columns moved toward Bologna through Forli, and joint by Italian infantry battalions. At Parma, units of the Italian Army, supported by reinforcements arrived from the south, moved toward Modena. It is clear that if the city of Ferrara was taken by the Italian military, communist forces in the city of Bologna will be isolated from the rest of Warsaw Pact forces in Italy. Near Austrian border in northeast Italy, Italian Alpini mountain units continue to harass Warsaw Pact forces and disrupt logistic support on the mountain. https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Trans/NATO%20-%20Warsaw%20Pact/Chapter%2008/m-47_3.jpgIn respond to the uprisings at Genoa and Milan, Italian government finally deployed large numbers of troops to destroy the communist sympathizers. Infantry battalions of the Italian Army and pro-government paramilitary engaged the communist supporters in heavy street battles at Milan. At Genoa, several battalions of an Italian mechanized division entered Genoa and battled communist supporters. Large numbers of communist were executed in both cities.

The government of Romania, having their country suffered enormous destruction after NATO bombardments last week, especially the destruction of oil refineries and other government infrastructures, refuse to let anymore Warsaw Pact ground movement within the country. Romanian government ordered the closure of the borders with all countries, although movement by air is still allowed.

“Islamic Army of Azerbaijan” at southwestern Soviet Azerbaijan made several small-scale offensives by capturing supply depots and military installations located on the mountainous area of Azerbaijan. There were reports of desertion among ethnic-Azeri troops within the Soviet Army in the region, however these reports could not be confirmed.

Decisions
…will affect the events from 30 November 1964 to 6 December 1964…


Map of the latest situation in Italy (https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Trans/NATO%20-%20Warsaw%20Pact/Chapter%2008/Italy.jpg)

[Csargo]

Damn I forgot my orders :(

[Tran]

Announcement broadcasted by Swedish Prime Minister Tage Erlander, on the behalf of Kingdom of Sweden

It has come to our attention that one of our submarines has been sunk in the Baltic Sea. The submarine was on a routine reconnaissance mission off the coast of Poland, when she sank last week it was the lost of all hands. It is clear that the Soviet Union is solely responsible for their death and for the vessel disappearance.

The unprovoked attack on our submarine and the move into Poland are the actions of a reckless and warlike power. I have to warn the Soviets in the clearest possible term, that they risk taking us to the brink of an armed confrontation, within calculable consequences for all mankind.

[Sarathos]

I say bring them on!

[shlin28]

I forgot to send in orders :embarassed:

[Derfasciti]

Funny... I don't recall ever sending in any orders.


But if it isn't apparent enough, i'm quite busy.

[Sarathos]

Ok, better question. Who did send in their orders?

[Tran]

Ok, better question. Who did send in their orders?
Nobody.

But since the extended deadline had passed and nobody complaint, I decided to posted new chapter.

I think this Interactive has the longest deadline and lax compared to others. Also, seeing as I will be rather busy in the coming weeks and lack of activity among players I might as well disband this Interactive.

[Sarathos]

I might as well disband this Interactive.
And another one down...

[King Kurt]

Tran - I for one would urge you not to stop the IA. - we seem close to a climax here and it would be a shame to stop it. The loss of Marshall was a set back but we could carry on.
I was ready to send in my orders but was waiting for some form of agreed line via the NATO forum. Why not set a deadline of the end of this month and see what happens - we should all be ready to send orders as we all seemed to be there or there abouts before missing the last deadline.
If you do decide to give it I for one will be disappointed. This and Kage's Japanesse IH are the 2 quality projects on the go in the chapter House and it would be a shame to loose it.

[Tran]

I understand it, KingKurt. I wish everything went smoothly since turn one, but without clear timetable, it is difficult to run this Interactive. Also it seems (in my humble opinion) only two or three players were actually enthusiastic playing, or care to inform me of their absence (or leaving) or the technical aspect (KingKurt, I wish everyone play like you :bow: )

And no, I have not decided to disband this Interactive, however I prefer this to continue with more dynamic and enthusiastic atmosphere. But I would like to hear everyone's feedback.

[Derfasciti]

I've actually been sorta considering dropping out of this IH officially the past few days but I feared my leaving would ring the death knell for the game.


It's not that I dislike the game, mind you. This is the most fun i've had in a while. But it's just that I really am pretty dang busy and I rarely have any free time nowadays. I've always considered myself a pretty dedicated and enthusiastic player in this game but I didn't do much this past two weeks especially because I never got any feedback from KK and I was so deep in midterm exams and papers to write that I could barely find the time to check this site, let alone do anything on it.

[Tran]

I've actually been sorta considering dropping out of this IH officially the past few days but I feared my leaving would ring the death knell for the game.


It's not that I dislike the game, mind you. This is the most fun i've had in a while. But it's just that I really am pretty dang busy and I rarely have any free time nowadays. I've always considered myself a pretty dedicated and enthusiastic player in this game but I didn't do much this past two weeks especially because I never got any feedback from KK and I was so deep in midterm exams and papers to write that I could barely find the time to check this site, let alone do anything on it.
Don't worry, from the amount of your PMs in my Inbox I know you are very enthusiastic and dedicated :grin:

And you are right, it seems one Warsaw Pact players after another just vanished into thin air. I saw KamiKhan posted in some other threads.

[Tran]

And Derfasciti, you might leave the Interactive and join again later (as USSR).

[Sarathos]

Well I am still in.

[King Kurt]

Tran - thanks for your kind words - I have enjoyed the interactive and the period is one I have always been interested in having lived through it and having spent a lot of time in the 70's and 80's wargamming in the period - hence my level of nerdish knowledge about all things military!!

Perhaps we shoud have a roll call and give a level of commitment for Tran's sake so he can gauge what the true level of commitment is. It is obvious that to run such an interactive is a considerable task, so it is only fair that we give Tran a commitment to reflect the amount of work he will have to put in.
The other thing we could do is maybe tout for players in other IHs - I was in particular thinking of Kage's japanese one - and see if we could drum up some fresh blood.

[seireikhaan]

Umm...hi all. I kinda got busy for a bit, and I kinda put this IH a bit lower on the priority list for a while. I'll try to get more active, but my participation outside of orders quite possibly will be very little while I'm hosting my mafia game.(shameless plug-get in to the gameroom and sign up!)

[Csargo]

I'm still here, and I know I haven't been the best player but I'll try harder if you keep this IH alive.

[shlin28]

I'm still here :balloon2:

[King Jan III Sobieski]

I've been very busy in rl. I'll stay, however.

[Tran]

Excellent! I will see if I can get volunteers to play and/or substitute here from other places to keep the ball rolling in a smooth pace. In the mean time, you might start sending orders, no deadline will be set until I feel enough newcomers arrive.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

I, Constantine, King of the Hellenes, condemn the action of the Russians in Poland. Poland should be allowed to freely decide its own destiny, not have it forced upon them at the end of a gun barrel.

[Sarathos]

Excellent! I will see if I can get volunteers to play and/or substitute here from other places to keep the ball rolling in a smooth pace. In the mean time, you might start sending orders, no deadline will be set until I feel enough newcomers arrive
Are we starting from the beginning or from where we left off?

[Tran]

Are we starting from the beginning or from where we left off?
Continue from the newest chapter, as usual.

[Sarathos]

Continue from the newest chapter, as usual.
Sure thing

[Csargo]

check the secret base NATO players.

[PrinceofTroy]

Can I join as Italy? I'd like to kick those Soviets all the way back to Moscow, and their Commie-Sympathizers with them!:laugh4:

[Tran]

Can I join as Italy? I'd like to kick those Soviets all the way back to Moscow, and their Commie-Sympathizers with them!:laugh4:
Certainly. But can you please post some infos about Italy from this period, to show the certainty of your words? :skull:

[PrinceofTroy]

The Republic of Italy
Created in the 40's the Italian Republic was dominated by the Christian Democrats party throughout the 40's, 50's, and parts of the 60's, but favor for the party went down and the people wanted mojor reforms. Many thought the Italian Socialist Party was the way to go so in 1963 the Socialist Party was introduced into the Government. Sadly for the people the Socialist Party didn't solve any of the major problems in Italy. The Christian Democrat party still remains supreme under Prime minister Aldo Moro.

Aldo Moro
In 1964 Aldo Moro is Prime Minister. He has been in the Italian government since the 40's and was there when the Constitution was ratified. He is a member of the Christian Democrats.

NATO
Italians have been a member of NATO since the fifties and a member of the European Economic Community. In the same time it became an Ally of the U.S. and was repaired by the Marshall Plan.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

The Republic of Italy
Created in the 40's the Italian Republic was dominated by the Christian Democrats party throughout the 40's, 50's, and parts of the 60's, but favor for the party went down and the people wanted mojor reforms. Many thought the Italian Socialist Party was the way to go so in 1963 the Socialist Party was introduced into the Government. Sadly for the people the Socialist Party didn't solve any of the major problems in Italy. The Christian Democrat party still remains supreme under Prime minister Aldo Moro.

Aldo Moro
In 1964 Aldo Moro is Prime Minister. He has been in the Italian government since the 40's and was there when the Constitution was ratified. He is a member of the Christian Democrats.

NATO
Italians have been a member of NATO since the fifties and a member of the European Economic Community. In the same time it became an Ally of the U.S. and was repaired by the Marshall Plan.

Welcome, Signore Moro. I have been instructed my lord, King of the Hellenes Constantine I., to offer any assitance I can possibly provide that you may need.

Prime Minister Georgios Papandréou

:wizard: :wizard: :wizard: :wizard: :wizard: :wizard: :wizard:

[00jebus]

This looks fun... mind if I join as... oooh... Hungary, just to annoy everyone



Info
Modern history - Initially sided with Nazi Germany during WWII, and aided in the invasions of Yugoslavia and Russia, with the entire second army destroyed in the battle of Stalingrad. Towards the end of the war Budapest was eventually taken by the soviets (Feb 1945), and a soviet-satalite goverment was set up in 1948 under Matiyas Rakozi.
This...upset alot of people, students mainly, and a revolt began in late October 1956 demanding a more democratic and libertarian (socially) style of goverment.
From then on, the goverment changed forms from Stalinism to what can be refered to as goulash communism, (named after a soup) which includes a more liberal outlook, both economically and socially.
This ment alot of tax money was spent on producing a much more mixed economy with more consumer goods, leading to it being called "the happiest barrack" (this would limit the serious problems that other soviet republics had at the end of the cold war)
This, of course, means less money was avaliable for the military;

Drafties did not recieve good training, generally just a few weeks rifle training and even then used more as a cheap labour force.
It wasn't uncommon for men to dodge the draft by feining medical reasons.
Thanks to the 1956 rebellion, the Russians took most of the armies heavy equipment away.
However, a 200,000 strong, self reliant (in terms of tanks, artillery, aircraft and missiles (both WMD and cruise kind)) force of russians is garrisoned in the country (probably moved in game by now) and does take orders from Kadar.

The equipment that the army/air force did have were the same standadised soviet equipment;

main fighter - MiG 21, Useful for ground attack, specilised NATO jets are superior in air combat, but the '21 isn't useless in that role, in the hands of a skilled pilot its as good as any other plane of the period, and the amount of US jets they downed in Vietnam caused specilist air combat schools to open in the US.
MBT - T 62, right now, this is the best production tank in the world, and can operate effectivly at night.
APC's include the usual mix of BMP's and BRDM's
main rifle is the AK-47, which is better up close (urban, forests) than anything NATO have (so maybe my infantry wont be completly useless :P), but lacks accuracy at range



to tran; PM me if this is ok and when you want orders in... and what I can order, mainly the latter

[shlin28]

Are you sure your true allegiance doesn't lie with NATO? *cough* Hungarian Uprising that was brutally crushed by the Soviet Oppressors who then systematically destroyed Hungarian culture and its people *cough*

[00jebus]

Hungary's true alligence is to Hungary, just like France's true alligence is to France and not the vile American crushes of free will and worshippers of the "free" market!

that being said, our troops have general orders to accept the surrender of any NATO soilders who lay down their arms, and we give our assurances to every citizen in this world that we, unlike the current Itallian ruling class whom order the exercution of communists for no other reason than their political beliefs or the americans or british who install brutal puppet dictators, will never stoop so low as to torture, degrade or punish those whose beliefs are diffrent to our own, indeed, we follow a branch of Marxism that advocates diffrences as it allow's much more intressting philosophical discussions, so long as their peaceful of course.

[Derfasciti]

Welcome aboard the Warsaw Pact train, 00jebus. Next stop, victory.

[PrinceofTroy]

Message From Aldo Moro to all Communist Sympathizers and any Members of the
Italian Revolutionary Front

All Communist Sympathizers and members of the Italian Revolutionary Front who bear arms against Italian Soldiers will be killed/executed by Italian military units and police units if you do not lay down your arms and surrender to Italian forces. All those who surrender will be treated kindly by Italian Soldiers, those who resist will be killed. Also, any Soviet, Bulgarian or Yugoslavian soldier who surrenders to Italian forces will not be treated harshly, Killed, or tortured.



(OOC:When are the orders due?)

[00jebus]

Flyer distributed by Hungarian troops


Comrades!
The glourious peoples armies of the USSR march to free you from your oppressors!
But in what ways you ask do they oppress us?
The answer, good people of the world is that after exploiting your labour for their own greedy ends, is that despite claiming to be democratic, and claiming that people are free to make up their own minds, they oppress those that are too devient, behold!


Message From Aldo Moro to all Communist Sympathizers and any Members of the
Italian Revolutionary Front

All Communist Sympathizers and members of the Italian Revolutionary Front will be killed/executed by Italian military units and police units if you do not lay down your arms and surrender to Italian forces. All those who surrender will be treated kindly by Italian Soldiers, those who resist will be killed. Also, any Soviet, Bulgarian or Yugoslavian soldier who surrenders to Italian forces will not be treated harshly, Killed, or tortured.






Even though not all on the left, nowhere near all communist sympathizers are involved in violent acts, this Itallian oppressor demands that they all surrender or be exercuted... and if they do surrender, what are the chances of them being treated fairly?
We all know that for daring to oppose an unfair and unjust system.. they will be treated as second class citizens even in their own homes!
so join us! to fight the oppression that plauges the world!
join us! the cause is just and our aim is true!

for only through the deaths of the fat and greedy capatalists who run the west will the whole world find its salvation!


A list of recruitment centres, telephone numbers and benefits follow

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Message From Aldo Moro to all Communist Sympathizers and any Members of the
Italian Revolutionary Front

All Communist Sympathizers and members of the Italian Revolutionary Front who bear arms against Italian Soldiers will be killed/executed by Italian military units and police units if you do not lay down your arms and surrender to Italian forces. All those who surrender will be treated kindly by Italian Soldiers, those who resist will be killed. Also, any Soviet, Bulgarian or Yugoslavian soldier who surrenders to Italian forces will not be treated harshly, Killed, or tortured.



(OOC:When are the orders due?)

King Constantine wishes to convey similar feelings toward Communist sympathizers in Greece and the greater Balkans.

[seireikhaan]

How laughable. The nations of NATO are such hypocrites. They claim to offer freedom, choices they claim we deny to our citizens. But clearly, they have but one choice, in the minds of NATO: accept capitalism, or face the consequences. Clearly, they share no respect for the common man's own decision making, the common man's own intellect. No, they expect every person to follow like blind sheep, following the trail of fat and excess which oozes from the the elite of capitalist society. They would rather the common man labor away in factories, mines, in menial labour, so that they can gorge themselves on the profits, furthering their own standing in society and nobody else's. And now, when the common man has finally figured their scheme out, when the common man desires something more than a lifetime of menial labour for little pay, they silence him! They demand that he get back into the factory, making more of their machines of war so that they might enslave the rest of humanity under their sheer weight of their own profit, while humanity works in substandard conditions, just hoping to make it day to day while the Beourgoise lounge in luxury, doing nothing! People, do not accept these lies fed to you by the capitalist pigs! Yearn for a better, freer, more egalitarian tomorrow! It is possible! The time is at hand for the people to overthrow the engorged pigs who have for so long fed off of their labour. The time is at hand for socialism to reign supreme over over capitalism, the time is at hand for the proclamation that all men are created equal to finally come to pass! Throw off the yolk of the capitalist oppressors, and you need not fear, for the Warsaw Pact will come to your aid! People of Europe, join us in our crusade to liberate the world, so that the people, not the obscenely wealthy, might reign supreme!

--Speech from President Josip Broz Tito of Yugoslavia

[King Kurt]

Tran - I have lost track a bit of where we are - I assume we still owe you a move - is there a deadline? are we waiting for Derfasciti to come back?

I am off on holiday next week - should I send my moves in??

[Derfasciti]

I'm still in, just not really active, although people can still PM me. I believe we're mainly waiting for new members who Tran is scouting for. There is no deadline yet.

[Ferret]

If this is going to continue I'd like to join as Poland.

[Csargo]

When are orders do? or do we just wait until we have more players?

[King Jan III Sobieski]

How laughable. The nations of NATO are such hypocrites. They claim to offer freedom, choices they claim we deny to our citizens. But clearly, they have but one choice, in the minds of NATO: accept capitalism, or face the consequences. Clearly, they share no respect for the common man's own decision making, the common man's own intellect. No, they expect every person to follow like blind sheep, following the trail of fat and excess which oozes from the the elite of capitalist society. They would rather the common man labor away in factories, mines, in menial labour, so that they can gorge themselves on the profits, furthering their own standing in society and nobody else's. And now, when the common man has finally figured their scheme out, when the common man desires something more than a lifetime of menial labour for little pay, they silence him! They demand that he get back into the factory, making more of their machines of war so that they might enslave the rest of humanity under their sheer weight of their own profit, while humanity works in substandard conditions, just hoping to make it day to day while the Beourgoise lounge in luxury, doing nothing! People, do not accept these lies fed to you by the capitalist pigs! Yearn for a better, freer, more egalitarian tomorrow! It is possible! The time is at hand for the people to overthrow the engorged pigs who have for so long fed off of their labour. The time is at hand for socialism to reign supreme over over capitalism, the time is at hand for the proclamation that all men are created equal to finally come to pass! Throw off the yolk of the capitalist oppressors, and you need not fear, for the Warsaw Pact will come to your aid! People of Europe, join us in our crusade to liberate the world, so that the people, not the obscenely wealthy, might reign supreme!

--Speech from President Josip Broz Tito of Yugoslavia

Mr. Tito,

Socialism always - always - ends in financial bankruptcy...not to mention the fact that the workers have no incentive to better themselves, or better their governments!

Prime Minister Georgios Papandréou

[00jebus]

to Georgios Papandreou;

We respect you, you are not a propagandarist who suggests that just because a man shares his wealth, he will eat babies, like the americans suggest.
Socialism trandsends wealth, the USSR's space program is far more advanced than the USA... how do you suggests they managed this if socialism doesn't lead to better-ment?
how do you explain comrade Khalashnikov's production of the great class equaliser?

Next I'm sure we'll all hear how socialism produces no art and no invention

All are simply untrue, socialism brings peace! and justice!
join us.... we assure you your country will love you for it!

[King Jan III Sobieski]

to Georgios Papandreou;

We respect you, you are not a propagandarist who suggests that just because a man shares his wealth, he will eat babies, like the americans suggest.
Socialism trandsends wealth, the USSR's space program is far more advanced than the USA... how do you suggests they managed this if socialism doesn't lead to better-ment?
how do you explain comrade Khalashnikov's production of the great class equaliser?

Next I'm sure we'll all hear how socialism produces no art and no invention

All are simply untrue, socialism brings peace! and justice!
join us.... we assure you your country will love you for it!

The people - and King - of Greece shall pass!

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I like To Take Sweden. I'll be gone for a few days, but I get the information when I come back :egypt: :yes:

[King Jan III Sobieski]

I like To Take Sweden. I'll be gone for a few days, but I get the information when I come back :egypt: :yes:

Perhaps the people and leaders of Sweden will see the light of the righteousness of NATO's goals.

[Ferret]

anyone seen Tran lately...

[Derfasciti]

So... What happened to us? Haha.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

So... What happened to us? Haha.

~:mecry: ~:mecry: ~:mecry: ~:mecry: ~:mecry: ~:mecry: ~:mecry: ~:mecry: ~:mecry:

[Derfasciti]

So uhh... Seriously. What happened? lol. Tran still alive?

[Noddy The Beefy Egg]

I would like to join poland.

[Lord Winter]

Clone Trooper, the Interactive has been dead for months.

[Marshal Murat]

Clone Trooper, the Interactive has been dead for months.

Just like Communism

:2thumbsup: