Insane Idea for Oblivion + Europa Barbarorum Mod.

[the_handsome_viking]

Ok, I'll admit this is probably a very silly idea, but then again I'm a really silly person so I'll put it forwards anyway.

Think of all the detail that has been poured into Europa Barbarorum, all the foundations of research and accuracy that now act as a total surplus of information and the amount of money and time thats been invested in books and refinement of the game.

Now imagine a historical accuracy mod for Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion, where you have essentially the same level of detail, but can simply play as one character in a vast ancient world, which should allow you to play as a various different races, such as Celt, Romani, Germani etc and basically just wander around exploring the cultural details of the vartious factions, example, if you're a Celt you can naturally explode the Iron Age Celtic hill fort settlements, or more elaborated Celtic walled settlements, or venture south into the Italian Peninsula, observing the cultural alterations along the way with mixtures of Central, Northern, and Southern towards the top of the Italian Peninsula to the more Hellanic cultures of the bottom of the Italian Peninsula.

Walk the streets of the city of Rome, find employment in the services of Hannibal Barca or fight the man himself.

In short utlize the Oblivion engine to create a richer and more detailed 3D interactive example of how various ancient civilizations worked.

I personally think this would be a down right awesome educational tool, it would also be really fun.

Feel free to shoot the idea down, but I'd personally love to see this happen.

[bovi]

Perhaps this (http://www.roma-victor.com/) is your thing?

[the_handsome_viking]

Perhaps this (http://www.roma-victor.com/) is your thing?

Is it historically accurate?

[bovi]

It says so on the front page. I have no idea.

[Ignopotens]

if you're a Celt you can naturally explode the Iron Age Celtic hill fort settlements, or more elaborated Celtic walled settlements

That kind of game would be pretty interesting, actually :clown:

[the_handsome_viking]

That kind of game would be pretty interesting, actually :clown:

Your clown face is offending me.

[Danest]

It is a multi-player game. Unless they're all Eb staff members playing, it's going to suffer in the historical department. All one can hope for is the _desire_ and intent to be historically accurate will be relatively common.

[the_handsome_viking]

It is a multi-player game. Unless they're all Eb staff members playing, it's going to suffer in the historical department. All one can hope for is the _desire_ and intent to be historically accurate will be relatively common.

Is this a reference to Roma Victor or my idea for Oblivion?

[LusitanianWolf]

Ok, I'll admit this is probably a very silly idea, but then again I'm a really silly person so I'll put it forwards anyway.

Think of all the detail that has been poured into Europa Barbarorum, all the foundations of research and accuracy that now act as a total surplus of information and the amount of money and time thats been invested in books and refinement of the game.

Now imagine a historical accuracy mod for Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion, where you have essentially the same level of detail, but can simply play as one character in a vast ancient world, which should allow you to play as a various different races, such as Celt, Romani, Germani etc and basically just wander around exploring the cultural details of the vartious factions, example, if you're a Celt you can naturally explode the Iron Age Celtic hill fort settlements, or more elaborated Celtic walled settlements, or venture south into the Italian Peninsula, observing the cultural alterations along the way with mixtures of Central, Northern, and Southern towards the top of the Italian Peninsula to the more Hellanic cultures of the bottom of the Italian Peninsula.

Walk the streets of the city of Rome, find employment in the services of Hannibal Barca or fight the man himself.

In short utlize the Oblivion engine to create a richer and more detailed 3D interactive example of how various ancient civilizations worked.

I personally think this would be a down right awesome educational tool, it would also be really fun.

Feel free to shoot the idea down, but I'd personally love to see this happen.
I like the idea :).
I'll have to explore that Roma Victor later, seems cool... Is it free?

[Geoffrey S]

For a moment, think of the amount of effort that has gone into creating units for EB: the historical research, modelling, skinning, implementation... Now, imagine that, plus coding accurate AI routines so they fight appropriately, the same level of painstaking research for an infinitely more detailed world, and the additional challenge of having to actually create said gameworld. There's a reason why games like Oblivion limit themselves to a (relatively) small scale, and that's the impossibility of doing more in a lifetime.

I do like the idea of some kind of historically accurate RPG, but that simply isn't EB's field of expertise. On a smaller scale, I'd rather like a game based around one city or small area (a town in Britain, or something like Crete or Rhodes) which would be more feasible; perhaps some kind of frontier town on the German or British borders, an older Greek city state, or a part of southern Italy under Hannibal. Still, even such a small scale would be very difficult to recreate, for professional studios and certainly for a mod team.

[EasternScourge]

Actually,someone is already doing that.I have an account on the forums for Bethesda,and while searching around,found a topic about an Oblivion mod for Rome Total War.Will get link in a minute.

Edit:Never mind.Misunderstood what the mod was about.But for anyone who cares,heres some links about that Oblivion mod for RTW.

http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=673294 When I first found it

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=362 The Official Forums

So as to be productive,the idea sounds fun in theory,though whether or not it could be pulled off is questionable (Really,who here thinks they could accurately recreate Europe,or even the Selecuids territory in Oblivion).Now,theres the possibility of maybe making some historicaly accurate mods for characters.Hmm,release a set of EB armor and weapons for Oblivion.That sounds like a more reasonable idea.Been done before (I have a mod for Roman armor and such for Morrowind).

[the_handsome_viking]

For a moment, think of the amount of effort that has gone into creating units for EB: the historical research, modelling, skinning, implementation... Now, imagine that, plus coding accurate AI routines so they fight appropriately, the same level of painstaking research for an infinitely more detailed world, and the additional challenge of having to actually create said gameworld. There's a reason why games like Oblivion limit themselves to a (relatively) small scale, and that's the impossibility of doing more in a lifetime.

I do like the idea of some kind of historically accurate RPG, but that simply isn't EB's field of expertise. On a smaller scale, I'd rather like a game based around one city or small area (a town in Britain, or something like Crete or Rhodes) which would be more feasible; perhaps some kind of frontier town on the German or British borders, an older Greek city state, or a part of southern Italy under Hannibal. Still, even such a small scale would be very difficult to recreate, for professional studios and certainly for a mod team.

It would undoubtably be hard, but it would be amazingly fun. I doubt big battles could occur but minor raids most definitely could, and it would be nice to walk around and explore a Celtic settlement, or go wandering into the distance and uncover megaliths and what not. Or just run around naked and attack Romans.

[Foot]

It would undoubtably be hard, but it would be amazingly fun. I doubt big battles could occur but minor raids most definitely could, and it would be nice to walk around and explore a Celtic settlement, or go wandering into the distance and uncover megaliths and what not. Or just run around naked and attack Romans.

Far easier, and more fun, would be an EB mod for Mount&Blade. I much prefer the battle engine in M&B to the ones on the Eldar Scrolls games.

Foot

[the_handsome_viking]

Actually,someone is already doing that.I have an account on the forums for Bethesda,and while searching around,found a topic about an Oblivion mod for Rome Total War.Will get link in a minute.

Edit:Never mind.Misunderstood what the mod was about.But for anyone who cares,heres some links about that Oblivion mod for RTW.

http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=673294 When I first found it

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=362 The Official Forums

So as to be productive,the idea sounds fun in theory,though whether or not it could be pulled off is questionable (Really,who here thinks they could accurately recreate Europe,or even the Selecuids territory in Oblivion).Now,theres the possibility of maybe making some historicaly accurate mods for characters.Hmm,release a set of EB armor and weapons for Oblivion.That sounds like a more reasonable idea.Been done before (I have a mod for Roman armor and such for Morrowind).

I suppose it would all be a question of starting small, and having vastish regions to explore.

A Celtic hillfort, a Roman city, something along those lines.

[the_handsome_viking]

Far easier, and more fun, would be an EB mod for Mount&Blade. I much prefer the battle engine in M&B to the ones on the Eldar Scrolls games.

Foot

That seems entirely possible too.

I'm tempted to buy Roman Victor also, has anyone played it?

[Shigawire]

Before mixing EB in with Oblivion, I'd mix Mount & Blade's combat system in there first, since it's far superior to what is in Oblivion at this moment. When Oblivion + M&B mod is made, I think an "EB" mod would be very nice.

[Fleeb]

has anyone played it?

Aye. Huge time sink. I'm sure it's been updated since I tried it, but it was eye-gougingly lame... I spent three hours making a mud pit so I could make pottery. Very repetitious. Try it for yourself tho, it is free after all.

[the_handsome_viking]

Aye. Huge time sink. I'm sure it's been updated sin'ce I tried it, but it was eye-gougingly lame. Try it for yourself tho, it is free after all.

What was most lame about it?

[Cadwalader]

Roma Victor is in a quite unfinished state. It's being worked on, but really slowly. The developers are very few, and I think none of them get payed.

By the way, it isn't free, but has no monthly fee. It has a system to buy in-game money, but that is optinal. If you don't want to, you can make it yourself. But that can be tedious, if you don't really enjoy crafting.

It's also hard to be innitiated into, unless you join a guild. Some are really mature and helpfull, like the Tuatha de Biatach, a keltic one.

If you're into fighting, you can freely raid the enemy's settlement, and kill anyone you want, anywhere you want. But it's not total anarchy, because people who goes around on killing frenzies are usually disliked.. and hunted down, like in real life.

[the_handsome_viking]

Roma Victor is in a quite unfinished state. It's being worked on, but really slowly. The developers are very few, and I think none of them get payed.

By the way, it isn't free, but has no monthly fee. It has a system to buy in-game money, but that is optinal. If you don't want to, you can make it yourself. But that can be tedious, if you don't really enjoy crafting.

It's also hard to be innitiated into, unless you join a guild. Some are really mature and helpfull, like the Tuatha de Biatach, a keltic one.

If you're into fighting, you can freely raid the enemy's settlement, and kill anyone you want, anywhere you want. But it's not total anarchy, because people who goes around on killing frenzies are usually disliked.. and hunted down, like in real life.

Is the fighting any fun?

[Redmeth]

I'm a fan of Mount&Blade too, I really like their combat system, I believe the horseback combat is the best of any games, and the Horse Archery is really really well done. And the feeling of raising your shield at just the right time and seeing the arrow stick in it is also very well done.

[Cadwalader]

Is the fighting any fun?

All fighting is done by the player, by clicking on your opponent. Combined with the walk keys (wasd) you can attack differently (stab, plunge etc.)
It was going to be with completely player skill-based, but that didn't get into the game. When fighting, if you hit the enemy in a certain place, his abilty to fight gets weakened (not THAT certain place..) for example: if you hit him in the face, his vision will be damaged. If you hit him in the chest, his vigour will be damaged. Vigour is a bar that empties as you fight or run. It's important to keep it in mind when you're fighting. There's also the adrenaline bar, that I think is a substitute for vigour. It fills when you're hit. There's also the traditinal health bar.

It's quite fun, but you may not bother walking to it. It can take several hours..

[Ignopotens]

Your clown face is offending me.

Your real face is offending me :laugh4:

[the_handsome_viking]

Your real face is offending me :laugh4:

How about I offend my semen all over your face?

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Keep the language clean, and watch the trolling/spamming. :no:

[Ignopotens]

lol, I'm only joking around, I hope you weren't seriously offended by my clown-face emoticon (is that even possible?) or my retort on your announced offense

c'mon have a sense of humor about yourself, I was only making a (admittedly pretty bad) joke about your spelling, don't get all offended on me plz

[Thaatu]

Your real face is offending me :laugh4:
How can you distinguish this as a joke from an insult? Don't do this if you really don't wish to insult people.

[Cadwalader]

How can you distinguish this as a joke from an insult? Don't do this if you really don't wish to insult people.

By the smileyface..?

[Thaatu]

By the smileyface..?
I'm sorry, I'm really pissed now about something not related to this forum or any of you, but I have to let off some steam.

If someone writes to a stranger "Your mother is a whore :laugh4:", can you really tell his intentions by a smilie created with a single click of a button? Insults are insults no matter how many smilies are used.


Edit: Damn... I didn't even insult anyone. Now I'm still pissed. I'll go out and kick some squirrels.

[Sir-S-Of-TURBO]

On a different note: I'd like to see a Rome Total War mod where you could play with all of tamriel, factions being the Empire and emerging factions like Dagoth Ur and those from the other continent and Oblivion. :smash:

[Dumbass]

On a different note: I'd like to see a Rome Total War mod where you could play with all of tamriel, factions being the Empire and emerging factions like Dagoth Ur and those from the other continent and Oblivion. :smash:

It's being made I think...

[the_handsome_viking]

lol, I'm only joking around, I hope you weren't seriously offended by my clown-face emoticon (is that even possible?) or my retort on your announced offense

c'mon have a sense of humor about yourself, I was only making a (admittedly pretty bad) joke about your spelling, don't get all offended on me plz

I wasn't offended, I was joking back.

I normally say things like this, I hope you guys didn't take offense.

It just seemed like a really funny thing to say because if you read the post, it doesn't make much sense, which is what makes it funny, it's a deliberatly bad retort, which people often actually make sometimes.

[the_handsome_viking]

In the end of the day what I want to do is run into the city of Rome completely naked and start hitting people with a gigantic club.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

In the end of the day what I want to do is run into the city of Rome completely naked and start hitting people with a gigantic club.
Fan of Commodus?

[Elthore]

EB mod for Mount and Blade would be bomb. Its more combat oriented though, not completely fitting for EB. Theres already a gladatorial mod out for it, M&B fans should check it out.
www.taleworlds.com

great game, EB fans would enjoy it i think, they compliment each other rather nicely.

[Geoffrey S]

In the end of the day what I want to do is run into the city of Rome completely naked and start hitting people with a gigantic club.
Customs officer: ...so, what did you say your reasons for visiting Italy are? :inquisitive:

[the_handsome_viking]

Fan of Commodus?

Absolultly.

The Romans enjoyed being naked as much as anyone else.

[the_handsome_viking]

Customs officer: ...so, what did you say your reasons for visiting Italy are? :inquisitive:

Nakedness and bloodshed.

[Wolfman]

Sir are you a Gaesatae?

[the_handsome_viking]

Sir are you a Gaesatae?

My official name is sexual hunk.

[Orb]

My official name is sexual hunk.

Stop impersonating me!

[Wolfman]

My official name is sexual hunk.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[edyzmedieval]

The idea is absolutely superb, me being a big fan of Oblivion. But the amount of work would be even greater than in EB...

[Wolfman]

I also support you in your endeavour.

[Puppyonastik]

Hi guys, I saw the talk of roma-victor and the questions about it and thought i should pop in.

As was mentioned earlier by Cadwalader the game is definitely in an unfinished state. Many of us in my guild consider it as an open beta.

Concerning the historical accuracy, I'd say it's one of the best out there next to projects with actual historians included in the staff, like EB. Something many of you would appretiate is that the devs are very active on the forums and are open to making changes, thus if say an EB historian spots a flaw and posts proof, they would be more than happy to make the change when they are able to.

For the most part the community is mature and very helpful. There are many ways to make money in the game without having to put in more cash than the initial perchase of the game or joining a guild. Running to the mines and bringing back ore for the guilds will usually grant you 100-200 sesterces (most guilds will loan you the pickaxe and train you to do so). Hunting wolfs, bears, and goats and then selling them will grant you good money (I'm always looking to buy them, to skill my skinning and tanning). Etc. The crafting system is huge, so there are a lot of services you can provide and be hired for.

ATM the devs are trying a hand at making big updates, rather than the small frequent ones we've grown accustomed too. So things are slower than usual.
Right now they are putting in guildhalls and board mechanics that give you political advantages which should be implemented in the next day or two.

If you have anymore questions I'll be happy to answer them. :yes:

[Fleeb]

Is hunting in RV now? That'd be worth checking out. It has been quite some time since I played, so my perceptions of the game are a little biased. As for guilds, the Tuatha were very good folks and I'd encourage anyone who feels like playing to give them a hello.

[Narhon]

maybe the staff of EB and RV could sometimes hit each others forums and help with ideas and accuracy. one could help improve the other. Not that I am dissatisfied with EB but as an art teacher of mine said "no are is truly finished". :book:

btw I hate :clown: also , some childhood fear that has not gone away. lol

[Puppyonastik]

Hunting has been in for quite a number of months now. You can use the tracking skill to find your pray (tracking takes a long time to train though). ATM there are only 2 animals per board which makes hunting a time consuming task. We should get more NPCS per board after the AI is improved. Wolves are the most frequent of animals, bears next, then chickens, etc. :jumping:

[the_handsome_viking]

The idea is absolutely superb, me being a big fan of Oblivion. But the amount of work would be even greater than in EB...

It would be slow to start of with of course, but a lot of the actual work has pretty much already been done, at least historical data wise.

[artavazd]

How can we implemented the charge of the cav. in EB with that of mount and blade? I think it will be very intresting, but difficult to make EB for M&B

[Spoofa]

hm? quite easily, used couched spears.

[artavazd]

in that case there has to be a formation where the cav. i in a line and all have there spears couched, so youll have a better chance of hitting the other forces.

[Rilder]

If you play Roma-victor look up Voreioditika Edaphi, its a greek guild in RV building a Greek Colony in the game, great guild