Unit Stats for MTW!!!

[DrNo]

Check out the 'crusaders_unit_prod11.txt' file for full info.

Likewise for building info check out 'crusader_build_prod13.txt'.

So many answers to the questions we have all been asking are in these files and so many answers to questions we hadn't thought of.

e.g. Troops will be dismountable!

I simply opened the text file with Excel and the columns came up great no need for any conversion.

[Rath]

Oh don't be teasing me like this...

*grabs DrNo and shakes him*

Tell me them!

[Nelson]

DrNo, what causes you to say that troops can dismount? Is it some sort of option during the game? I don't have the demo so I can't see anything for myself.

[Vanya]

Quote Originally posted by Nelson:
DrNo, what causes you to say that troops can dismount? Is it some sort of option during the game? I don't have the demo so I can't see anything for myself.[/QUOTE]

Damn! Every grunt got a geisha?!? GAH! What is this world cumming to?!?

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

There are specific units that are "FootKnights" - these are not "dismounted Knights" though. (i.e not mounted knights who you have dismounted to fight on foot)

[Catiline]

Crusader buildings and upgrades

CASTLE Fort, Fort Motte, Fort Motte Bailey, Keep, Keep Curtainwall, Keep Curtainwall Ballista,Castle,Castle Ringwall,Castle Ringwall Catapult,Citadel,Citadel Barbican, Citadel Barbican GunTowers,Fortress, Fortress Artillerytowers1, Fortress Artillerytowers2
BOWYER Bowyer, Bowyers Workshop, Bowyers Guild, Master Bowyer
ARMOURER Armourer, Armourers Workshop, Armourers Guild, Master Armourer
SWORDSMITH Swordsmith, Swordsmiths Workshop, Swordsmiths Guild, Master Swordsmith
METALSMITH Metalsmith, Metalsmiths Workshop, Metalsmiths Guild, Master Metalsmith
SPEARMAKER Spearmaker, Spearmakers Workshop, Spearmakers Guild, Master Spearmaker
SIEGE_ENGINEER Siege Engineer, Siege Engineers Workshop, Siege Engineers Guild, Master Siege Engineer
GUNSMITH Gunsmith, Gunsmiths Workshop, Gunsmiths Guild, Master Gunsmith
TOWN_WATCH Town Watch, Town Guard, Town Militia, County Militia
MERCHANT Trading Post, Merchant, Merchants Guild, Master Merchant
INN Inn
TAVERN Tavern
BROTHEL Brothel
ROYAL_PALACE Royal Palace
CHANCELLERY Chancellery
CONSTABLES_PALACE Constables Palace
MARSHALS_PALACE Marshals Palace
ADMIRALTY Admiralty
UNIVERSITY University
COLLEGE_OF_SURGEONS College Of Surgeons
MILITARY_ACADEMY Military Academy
IMPROVED_FARMLAND Improved Farmland1, Improved Farmland2, Improved Farmland3, Improved Farmland4
HORSE_BREEDER Horse Farmer, Horse Breeder, Horse Breeders Guild, Master Horse Breeder
ROYAL_COURT Royal Court, Royal Estate, Baronial Court, Baronial Estate
CHURCH Church
MOSQUE Mosque
MONASTERY Monastery
RELIQUARY Reliquary
CATHEDRAL Cathedral
GRAND_MOSQUE Grand Mosque
CHAPTER_HOUSE Chapter House
RIBAT Ribat
WATCH_TOWERS Watch Towers
BORDER_CASTLE Border Fort
PORT Port
SHIPYARD Shipyard1, Shipyard2, Shipyard3, Shipyard4
FOUNDRY Bell Foundry, Cannon Foundry, Master Foundry
COPPER_MINE Copper Mine, Copper Mine Complex
SILVER_MINE Silver Mine, Silver Mine Complex
GOLD_MINE Gold Mine, Gold Mine Complex
SALT_MINE Salt Mine, Salt Mine Complex


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[This message has been edited by Catiline (edited 06-19-2002).]

[Catiline]

I'm going to build and empire based on brothels. I wonder if you get income or whether they just improve morale...

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[DrNo]

After further checking of the file there is no actual stats like in STW. e.g. no attack, defence etc.. (except for ships!)but there sure is a whole lot of other info like shield size, armour type etc.. which will affect combat.

Maybe these files can be hosted on here so those without demo can see.

On the mount/dismount thing there is a column that lists what a unit becomes when they dismount. Then there is a column that specifies if a unit can dismount in open battle or just in sieges.
This will go a long way to making cavalry useful.

e.g. AlanMercenaryCavalry become simply Archers when dismounted, and MountedCrossbows become Crossbows.

Here is a list of units in file anyway:

HighlandClansman, BallistaCrew, MangonelCrew
CatapultCrew, TrebuchetCrew, BombardCrew
MortarCrew, DemiculverinCrew, CulverinCrew
DemicannonCrew, SerpentineCrew, SiegecannonCrew
MurabitinInfantry, Kern, GenoeseSailors
Archers, DesertArchers, TrebizondArchers
BulgarianBrigands, JanissaryBows, Nizari
Futuwwa, JanissaryInfantry, TurcomanFoot
Longbows, Crossbows, PaviseCrossbows
Arbalester, PaviseArbalester, MamlukHandgun
Arquebusier, HandGun, NapthaThrowers
AlanMercenaryCavalry, SteppeCavalry, Turcopole
BerberCamel, MamlukHorseArchers, TurcomanHorse
HorseArchers, GoldenHordeHorseArchers, ByzantineCavalry
GoldenHordeHeavyCavalry, ReligiousFanatics, HospitallerFootKnights
UrbanMilitia, GhaziInfantry, MilitiaSergeants
JanissaryHeavyInfantry, Billmen, Housecarle
VarangianGuard, Halbardiers, OttomanInfantry
ChivalricFootKnights, GothicKnights, MuwahidFoot
FeudalManAtArms, AlmohadUrbanMilitia, ChivalricManAtArms
Gallowglass, FeudalFootKnights, Peasants
MuslimPeasants, FeudalSergeants, Spearmen
ByzantineInfantry, SaracenInfantry, ItalianLightInfantry, ChivalricSergeants, OrderFootsoldiers, GoldenHordeWarriors, GothicSergeants
Pikemen, SwissPikemen, SwissArmouredPikemen
SaharanCavalry, MamlukCavalry, ArmenianHeavyCavalry
BedouinCamelWarriors, Hobilar, GhulamCavalry
KhwarazmianCavalry, PronoiaiAllagion, Kataphraktoi
OttomanSipahi, FeudalKnights, TeutonicSergeants
KnightsHospitaller, KnightsSantiago, KnightsTemplar
TeutonicKnights, Lancers, ChivalricKnights
Gendarmes, GothicFootKnights, EarlyRoyalKnights
HighRoyalKnights, LateRoyalKnights, EarlyRoyalGhulamKnights
HighRoyalGhulamKnights, LateRoyalGhulamKnights, SpanishJinetes
SipahiofthePorte, Boyar, LithuanianCavalry
PolishRetainer, MountedCrossbows, MountedSergeants
Woodsman, SwissHalbardiers, Almughavars
Hashishin, NegroSpearmen, AbyssinianGuard

KHorse, ArmHorse, LiHorse, Camel, EHorse

Dhow, Dromon, Longboat, Galley, Barque
Baggala, Caravel, Firegalley, Wargalley
Cog, Boom, Gungalley, Carrack

Spy
Assassin
Emissary
Bishop
Cardinal
Inquisitor
GrandInquisitor
Priest
OrthodoxBishop
Mullah
Ulama
Princess
Crusade
Jihad

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Quote Originally posted by DrNo:
After further checking of the file there is no actual stats like in STW. e.g. no attack, defence etc.. (except for ships!)but there sure is a whole lot of other info like shield size, armour type etc.. which will affect combat.

Maybe these files can be hosted on here so those without demo can see.

On the mount/dismount thing there is a column that lists what a unit becomes when they dismount. Then there is a column that specifies if a unit can dismount in open battle or just in sieges.
This will go a long way to making cavalry useful.

[/QUOTE]

Thats interesting - let me check on that it wasn't mentioned when i played it.. i'll get back with details if i can.

[Nelson]

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On the mount/dismount thing there is a column that lists what a unit becomes when they dismount. Then there is a column that specifies if a unit can dismount in open battle or just in sieges.
This will go a long way to making cavalry useful.
[/QUOTE]

That sounds like a dismount option is in there somewhere! I hope it's implemented in the final cut. It would offer so much tactical flexibility.

Hats off to Catiline and DrNofor the great info. That's an impressive collection of structures and units.

[DrNo]

oops my mistake, the stats are in the file(Column V when using excel) and the best melee units are the Lancer or the LateRoyalNight.

Attack 5 Defence 7 Armour 9

Of course that dosn't take account of spears etc.. as these are both cavalry but serves as a good comparison to STW units as they seem to be using a similar range of numbers in the unit stats.

Darkmoor, it's always possible that some things in this file didn't make the final game.
But then there's always the patches to look forward to if it hasn't.




[This message has been edited by DrNo (edited 06-19-2002).]

[Catiline]

Hats off to DrNo only really, he pointed me in the right direction,

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[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Aye Dr - its also possible it wasn't in the build i played, the game isnt finished yet afterall ;-)

One unit worth looking at though is English Billmen - these guys are lethal to mounted units - and i mean LETHAL (Halbediers are nasty also but very very slow) - it'd be interesting to see how (if) the stats relate this.

Gallowglass are pretty useful infantry also - it a tad hard to control... is there a modifier for something like a mellee attack and a charge attack, because from play some of the units are definately far far superior when charging (they actually push your units backwards for one and a charging wedge can cut right through a unit)

[LittleGrizzly]

wow great info will help (bump) me a lot thnx

[ElmarkOFear]

Darn you Catiline, I was thinking the same thing as i quickly looked over the buildings and brothel popped up, then I read your post!! You stole my idea!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[DrNo]

Darkmoor, GallowGlass get a charge modifier of 8(Highest) with Attack 5 Defence 0 and Armour 2.
So this makes their charge equivalent to Heavy Cavalry.

On Billmen there is a CavalryAttackBonus which the Billmen have set as 3(Highest). There are 5/6 other units that have this set this high. Also their weapon is rated armour piercing as are quite a few other units. So as well as taking attack defense etc.. armour and weapons will make a difference.
Interesting there is also a CavalryDefenseBonus which the Billmen have set as 1 while Pikemen have this set to 6 with CavAttBon of 2. So Pikemen will be great against Cavalry but their default stats are poor with Att 0 Def -2 Arm 1. SwissArmouredPike will kick ass though!

So looks like stats reflect your findings pretty acurately.

[Catiline]

Pimp total war

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[Hirosito]

lol elmark and cat (actually other way around) stole my idea too. why can't we build a master brothel or more fittingly a brothel complex.

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Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

[Catiline]

that'd be a geisha house

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[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Thx Dr - the pikemen stats make sense i guess - defensively adept but poor in attack as they are so unweildy, great at holding a position but poor at taking one.

The Billmen really were lethal v cavalry, Gallowglass proved somewhat hard to control though - you tended to see them continue charging off into the distance after what's left of the unit they just routed - not too useful if there's still a battle to fight but fun to watch.