View Full Version : MTW Demo on FTP
ShadeWraith
06-19-2002, 13:37
As Im feeling in a good mood due to Englands progress in the World Cup I have uploaded the MTW demo to the Clan Shades ftp server. This server is not usually available to the public, but as there is no way for lots of Shogun players to get access to the demo I will let non Shades players into the server for a while.
The server IP is...213.55.10.85
Username is....clanshades
Password is...shogun!!
The demo files are in the directory MTW
Be patient as it is a whopping 300Mb download
Good luck.
Wraith
Krasturak
06-19-2002, 13:47
Gah!
You are a totally out-of-control Shade, there, Wraith.
You do this nice thing for everybody!
Gah!
thx alot for puttin it up Wraith,
just one question tho is this ftp capped or not??
Mithrandir
06-19-2002, 15:39
How do I connect?
I've got freeftp...
I also tried typing the in the browser
ftp://213.55.10.85
it gave me the pop up thing but what's the username ?
The ip as name doesnt work...
MagyarKhans Cham
06-19-2002, 16:17
It seems something is wrong, according to my FTP programm the directory isnt there besides a lot of (empty) 502 dirs.
Although the idea is very nice and is appreciated in the wolf camp.
Yas Terazawa
06-19-2002, 16:51
Thank u Shadewraith!!
p/w is "shogun!!" , not "shogun" ... right? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
[This message has been edited by Yas Terazawa (edited 06-19-2002).]
theforce
06-19-2002, 17:04
Yeah l get in but there are many files there and none is 300MG!!!
Do l have to dl all of those files?
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I cannot return l presume so l will keep my name among those who are dead by bows!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MagyarKhans Cham:
[B]It seems something is wrong, according to my FTP programm the directory isnt there besides a lot of (empty) 502 dirs.
Although the idea is very nice and is appreciated in the wolf camp.
Well, I use Bullet Proof FTP and the directory seems to be /Shades/MTW/
Btw the dl speed is extremely low I can download only at some 1 kb/sec and I have a cable. Maybe this is due to the popularity of the server. How fast is your server anyway shade? Well the crappy dl speed doesn't stop me from getting my demo!
Thanks for uploading the demo!
[This message has been edited by petska (edited 06-19-2002).]
theforce
06-19-2002, 17:05
Seems like it!!! Cheers http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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I cannot return l presume so l will keep my name among those who are dead by bows!
ShadeWraith
06-19-2002, 17:24
Well after all the problems I checked it out. It downloaded fine from within the network. I managed to telnet into a machine offsite and downloaded it from there too, so it appears to be working o.k externally as well. Bit dissapointing re:the dload speeds, the ftp server is on an old P2 233 box running Linux. Even so I would have expected better performance than 1kbs http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif. If anyone is having probs re: username and passwords check out my first post in this thread.
Wraith
theforce
06-19-2002, 17:46
Linux is much better then anything under the Microsoft name for a server. Anyway that P2 ain't the cause, too.
What is the connection of that server mate?
It's very slow. Does it run on a cable? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
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I cannot return l presume so l will keep my name among those who are dead by bows!
ShadeWraith
06-19-2002, 17:55
Its on a 256k leased line so I would expect more than 1kbs http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif. Its a bit odd really but I dont have the time to investigate as Im at work at the moment.
Wraith
theforce
06-19-2002, 18:10
Damn you guys. Don't download!!! You are slowing me down http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
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I cannot return l presume so l will keep my name among those who are dead by bows!
thx shade,
my timer is saying me i'll need 1 day and 7 hours :eek http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif is that possible?
ok cya and thx http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
shingen
theforce
06-19-2002, 18:12
IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL READ.
All who managed to download it. Get all files in a folder names "MTW" and zip it and put on kazaa(in your shared folder) so we can all download).
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I cannot return l presume so l will keep my name among those who are dead by bows!
Most 56kers find Kazaa as slow and painful. Direct download off a site would be a much better option in my opinion.
Pity that a mate of mine with a very fast ADSL managed to reach a record of 0.1 Kb/s download speed on Shade's server. Imagine a modem. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
We need at least 4-6 sites that have MTW demo available.
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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka).
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
theforce
06-19-2002, 19:08
Audiogalaxy is very fast though!!!
Just zip the file and change the extention to .mp3(for it to show up)
Then the user that downloads just needs to rename the file to .zip :P
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I cannot return l presume so l will keep my name among those who are dead by bows!
ShadeWraith
06-19-2002, 19:09
Cant understand why the server performance is so abysmal. Must be something to do with the external connection as I can download from the server internally @ 1Mbs.
Wraith
Konnichiwa,
I started the download at 15 kb/s, it would take 5 hours to get it, 5 more to put it on 3 other servers.
32% is done now (after some 7 hours), speed dropped to 2.78 kb/s now 16 hours 30 mins to go.
More servers won't be available before tomorrow.
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Ja mata
Toda MizuTosaInu
Daimyo Takiyama Shi
http://www.takiyama.cjb.net
CeltiberoSkullXIII
06-19-2002, 21:32
IDEA!!!
HEY GUYS WHY SHADE DOENST UPLOAD THE DEMO TO ONE OF THESE WEBSITES:
http://www.streamload.com/?AID=5470486&PID=283753
http://www.zden.com/servlet/Servlets.Controller?action=Pages.SignUp&referral=136463
PLAN B is using DIRECT CONNECT peer to peer program, so SHADE can make the file available at least for 3 persons and these three can share it with more people!
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"It's better to let the enemy alive as to kill it ... To TORTURE it!" http://gifanimados.ya.com/terror/calaveras_banderas/flag_wht_blkbns_clr.gif
ShadeWraith
06-19-2002, 22:44
Sorry guys, Im a victim of my own relative inexperience in hosting popular ftp sites. After finally getting to look at the system there were 35 users logged into the ftp server so the problems are:
A. The bandwidth into the server is not brilliant (256k leased line)
B. With a lot of users on ftp and other services running, the server is critically low on ram http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif Conversely cpu is about 4%.
Theres little I can do about it now as a reconfig of the server or ftp may neccesitate a reboot which would be really popular with peeps on 99% of their download http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif.
As I stated earlier the ftp server was set up originally for sole use by members of ClanShades and as such I never envisaged up to 30+ simultaneous users. In hindsight I should have capped the server for a max of 5 connections or something. My apologies to all you people who have struggled for many hours on 1kbs download speeds.
Wraith
CeltiberoSkullXIII
06-19-2002, 23:36
Quote Originally posted by CeltiberoSkullXIII:
IDEA!!!
HEY GUYS WHY SHADE DOENST UPLOAD THE DEMO TO ONE OF THESE WEBSITES:
http://www.streamload.com/?AID=5470486&PID=283753
http://www.zden.com/servlet/Servlets.Controller?action=Pages.SignUp&referral=136463
PLAN B is using DIRECT CONNECT peer to peer program, so SHADE can make the file available at least for 3 persons and these three can share it with more people!
[/QUOTE]
AND???
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"It's better to let the enemy alive as to kill it ... To TORTURE it!" http://gifanimados.ya.com/terror/calaveras_banderas/flag_wht_blkbns_clr.gif
Major Robert Dump
06-20-2002, 00:12
If I get the bugger I will use Kazaa, Streamload and ICQ to transfer to whoever needs it. Got to finish it first
Mithrandir
06-20-2002, 00:23
again ... :HOW DO I CONNECT ??
I've got freeFTP...
Where do I enter the ip, what's the port ?
can I put ip ftp://your.ip.adress in my browser and then fill it in?
if so, whats the username ?
Thanks,
Mithrandir
Stephen Hummell
06-20-2002, 00:28
I don't understand this so I'll just wait two months for the demo to come out in america
ShadeWraith
06-20-2002, 00:57
Dont think you can store 300mb on streamload.
Wraith
ShadeWraith
06-20-2002, 00:59
Mithrandir, I gave the ip, username and password in the very first post in this thread you need to use port 21 for ftp.
Wraith
Mithrandir
06-20-2002, 02:04
D'oh! thanks http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
[This message has been edited by Mithrandir (edited 06-19-2002).]
Thanks Wraith.. but please don't reboot or restart the ftp server http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif I have it on last nite @ 2am, and this morning its managed about 30% of 300MB. And my ftp is still on while I'm away at work... I will kill myself if I don't find it complete when I go home this evening http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif hehe
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tootee the goldfish,
headmaster of Shogun-Academy (http://shogun-academy.tripod.com)
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ShadeWraith
06-20-2002, 12:24
NP, I will leave the server alone until everyone has finished their downloads.
Wraith
CeltiberoSkullXIII
06-20-2002, 13:58
Quote Originally posted by CeltiberoSkullXIII:
AND???
[/QUOTE]
NOBODY INTERESTED ?!?!?!
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"It's better to let the enemy alive as to kill it ... To TORTURE it!" http://gifanimados.ya.com/terror/calaveras_banderas/flag_wht_blkbns_clr.gif
Hirosito
06-20-2002, 20:22
i'm getting an error network is down message at 15:29 UK time. then again i might be doing something wrong
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Hirosito Mori
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
ahhhhh! when I reached home, my ws_ftp was stuck at 33% of the data1.cab http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif and I've to kill the application and restart all over again... can it be zipped and separated into maybe 30 parts of 10MB each? more manageable.
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tootee the goldfish,
headmaster of Shogun-Academy (http://shogun-academy.tripod.com)
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Mithrandir
06-20-2002, 21:59
Quote Originally posted by tootee:
ahhhhh! when I reached home, my ws_ftp was stuck at 33% of the data1.cab http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif and I've to kill the application and restart all over again... can it be zipped and separated into maybe 30 parts of 10MB each? more manageable.
[/QUOTE]
yes or zip it all up into ONE big file ?
That'd be a lot easier,
Thanks,
Mithrandir
Split into as many small zip files as possible! What happen if ftp were to hang at 99% of 300MB? GAH! hahahaha http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
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tootee the goldfish,
headmaster of Shogun-Academy (http://shogun-academy.tripod.com)
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Hirosito
06-20-2002, 23:01
can anyone imagine why i'm getting a 'network down' error?
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Hirosito Mori
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
Dont understand all this what do i need to do to download it and get it workin?
Fast, you need to use an FTP client like CuteFTP, FTP Voyager, BulletProof FTP or WS FTP.
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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka).
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
theforce
06-21-2002, 02:05
U can dl it from IE itself tera.
Anyway l am amazed why their server didn't stopped the site yet. Wraith how much bandwidth pr month you have?
Anyway more money for PCGamer http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
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I cannot return l presume so l will keep my name among those who are dead by bows!
Yas Terazawa
06-21-2002, 09:46
Yas Terazawa just finished d/loading http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/cool.gif
and resharing from my FTP server..
Very thanx Shadewraith, and clanshades..
[This message has been edited by Yas Terazawa (edited 06-21-2002).]
CeltiberoSkullXIII
06-21-2002, 14:30
where can i dl it? i can share it with many other people!! pls tell us!
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"It's better to let the enemy alive as to kill it ... To TORTURE it!" http://gifanimados.ya.com/terror/calaveras_banderas/flag_wht_blkbns_clr.gif
ShadeWraith
06-22-2002, 02:56
The server is an old linux box on my works network....hence I have unlimited bandwidth....until someone finds out http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Wraith
Shade...your a legend !!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
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PSYCHO HOJO / PSYCHO SO
cool thx ShadeWraith http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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sorry double post http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
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dagdriver
06-22-2002, 13:57
Nooooo!
19 MB left, and no connection.....
aaarrgghhhh!
connected again, but now its EXTREMELY slow.....
[This message has been edited by dagdriver (edited 06-22-2002).]
I dont understand all this?AH well best i just buy the mag?But not found it yet?
Is it out in England or what?
Hirosito
06-22-2002, 19:48
yes fast it is. buy pcgamer.
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Hirosito Mori
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
Kraellin
06-23-2002, 00:57
yas,
what did you zip this thing with? i've d/l'd the bloody thing (took all night) and i cant extract the files. i used winrar280 and winace203 and both just give errors on every file they try to extract. what's the deal here?
K.
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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.
Hirosito
06-23-2002, 02:01
same here what do i do with a .rar file?
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Hirosito Mori
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
Kraellin
06-23-2002, 03:27
hiro,
i think his file is corrupt. tosa just got the same thing. wont unpack. just gives errors on every file it tries to unpack.
K.
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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.
Konnichiwa,
I don't think it is corrupt. It seems to have a certain 'taste' of rar. What did you use to pack it Yas, and what should we do to unpack it?
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Ja mata
Toda MizuTosaInu
Daimyo Takiyama Shi
http://www.takiyama.cjb.net
hmmm sniff sniff i tryed too downloaded all night but same prob no unzip http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/confused.gif
Magnetron
06-23-2002, 09:17
heh, my first post . . . you can use winrar to unpack Yas' file. you can get winrar from www.rarlab.com. (http://www.rarlab.com.) that is what I used and it extracted yas' file perfectly.
Yas Terazawa
06-23-2002, 10:50
Sry for l8 m8s.
Magnetron is right.
Use winrar...
As i know, several guys already 've succeeded d/loading and unpack, and installing, playing Demo,... now waiting release day!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Good luck!
dammm i had it all, and now i overwrote my file. its downloading again now only 83 megs so far
ohhhh noooooooooooooooo!!!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/mad.gif
Konnichiwa,
That's right. Winrar 2.8 can open the file and see the contents but can't unpack it. WinRar 3.0 can unpack it. I'm playing the demo now. Thanks Shade & Yas.
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Ja mata
Toda MizuTosaInu
Daimyo Takiyama Shi
http://www.takiyama.cjb.net
youssof_Toda
06-23-2002, 16:58
can't someone put it in his sharefolder in Kazaa?
CeltiberoSkullXIII
06-23-2002, 17:05
CAN U TELL US WHERE TO DOWNLOAD IT`???
Hirosito
06-23-2002, 19:50
celtiber o i've told you a million times. get a ftp programm.
then log into
i.p.:211.59.174.15
username: yas
password: yas
port:21
there you will se a file called: medieval.rar. d/l that to you oc and you are set. you will also need winrar 3.0 to unzip the files.
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Hirosito Mori
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
Kraellin
06-24-2002, 00:41
yup. winrar 2.80 wont do it, but 3.0 did. got it unpacked now, setup, and already completed the tuts. pretty good :) nice job, CA!
that last battle looks quite menacing with all those angry folks coming over that hill. quite daunting. lost the first time, won the 2nd.
i also noticed that dreamtime isnt mentioned in the credits. they arent the copyright holders or trademark holders. what's goin on there? stw/we/mi all listed dreamtime as copyright and trademark holders. interesting.
graphics are great. sound is great. game play is quite good, though in last battle the saracen general decided that he'd rather take a trip around the castle than fight. i like that the troops are now smarter about running away. that's one we asked for and got. the morale and fatigue indicators are much better and help a lot. forgot to try F1 while in battle. the sieges are quite fun and i look forward to more of those, including in multi.
multi is going to be the big test for me, however...and of course, the editor. i wonder, CA, might you consider releasing the editor separately before the full game release so we can get a head start on making maps and such?
deployment of one's own troops is still a question mark, as there is no opportunity in the demo, unless the guys that have already started modding battles know something about this.
the general unit is still always visible. he cant hide in the woods. i suppose this is to simulate being a rallying point for all the other units. so you'll never have complete ambushes with him sticking his head out of the trees.
knights are vicious, mounted or unmounted. richard kicked some serious butt in that last battle with his mounted knight unit.
we cant tell anything about unit costs yet. no data to go on, unless it's in the files somewhere.
nothing about the campaign game yet either, other than the various reviews and so on.
the game, as stated by others, plays very similarly to stw/we/mi. vets of those games wont have any troubles with running their armies. the trick will be in figuring out the values and rock, paper, scissors of all the units.
battles also seemed much more managable. longer combat? slower movement speed...not sure, but more managable.
alt-click still has some bugs in it when moving units. in that last battle, up near the castle, my units had a tendency to NOT go where i wanted them when using this. i had to resort to redrawing them with the click and drag.
the ai could also stand some improvement. in that last battle, if i'm the saracens, i charge and overwhelm with all those numbers in my favor. the ai was skittish, tentative, bringing up one unit and then backing off, till his units just get tired of this and start running away. but, in all fairness, perhaps this is what did happen in that battle and CA is simply trying to re-enact this. not sure.
the biggest drawback is that this is absolutely going to put stw/we/mi to rest. it's been a nice run, but they are heading to their final resting place with m:tw coming out soon. sianara, old friend.
K.
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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.
How u manage to complete the last battle?
I won with a little luck http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Kraellin
06-24-2002, 01:33
move your men up into the nook of the castle walls. more compact, easier to defend. :)
K.
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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.
Well, thanx so much to Shades for originally posting it and for Yas for serving it at an acceptable download speed (a bit under 25 Kbps for me).
Quite impressed with many aspects of the game. Also impressed by my computer choking on many of these aspects. Battle of Jaffa was so laggy it was essentially unplayable, and crashed on completion, both attempts. Will try again later, but it's looking as if it may be time to get a new computer..
Castle combat is.. ok. It would have made much more sense to include siege weapons as TACTICAL items in firing on enemy troops during the battle, and STRATEGIC items in firing on and demolishing castle walls. This way realism could have been total, without ruining gameplay.
I was also dissappointed, though not surprised, to see that melee attrition rate is still way out of control, bodies still flying everywhere at 90mph. Bah.. I may have to see what can be done about modding this..
Overall I very much like what I see and hear. The engine and all aspects seem to have been improved immensely. I dislike many of the details, but if they provide the same modding capabilities as with WE/MI I'll be able to take care of those myself, and will be one happy camper. Thanx CA!!
Matt
Kraellin
06-24-2002, 09:20
khan7,
when you start looking at all the files that can be modded, yer gonna start drooling. try not to short out your keyboard ;)
K.
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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.
CeltiberoSkullXIII
06-24-2002, 12:23
Quote Originally posted by Hirosito:
celtiber o i've told you a million times. get a ftp programm.
then log into
i.p.:211.59.174.15
username: yas
password: yas
port:21
there you will se a file called: medieval.rar. d/l that to you oc and you are set. you will also need winrar 3.0 to unzip the files.
[/QUOTE]
Sorry but there is no rar file where is it?
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"It's better to let the enemy alive as to kill it ... To TORTURE it!" http://gifanimados.ya.com/terror/calaveras_banderas/flag_wht_blkbns_clr.gif
CeltiberoSkullXIII
06-24-2002, 12:27
Quote Originally posted by Hirosito:
celtiber o i've told you a million times. get a ftp programm.
then log into
i.p.:211.59.174.15
username: yas
password: yas
port:21
there you will se a file called: medieval.rar. d/l that to you oc and you are set. you will also need winrar 3.0 to unzip the files.
[/QUOTE]
SOrry, but where is the RAR file there is no one!!!
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"It's better to let the enemy alive as to kill it ... To TORTURE it!" http://gifanimados.ya.com/terror/calaveras_banderas/flag_wht_blkbns_clr.gif
DarkSerpent96
06-24-2002, 20:29
this thang aint working i got cuteftp
[This message has been edited by DarkSerpent96 (edited 06-24-2002).]
My download is working, and its going at 20kbs. I wonder why that is
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DarkSerpent96
06-25-2002, 07:11
is it because im a ronin
Sir Kuma of The Org
06-25-2002, 07:35
Quote Originally posted by DarkSerpent96:
is it because im a ronin[/QUOTE]
Nope
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La vie est un don.
thx again YAS and Shade for sharing!!!
Yas Terazawa
06-25-2002, 08:25
Quote this thang aint working i got cuteftp[/QUOTE]
It maybe because "Too many users r logged in".
I restricted login users to 6 men.. for my internet speed..
Just try on an on m8s.
Till other guys complete their work and log out.
[This message has been edited by Yas Terazawa (edited 06-25-2002).]
Trousermonkey
06-25-2002, 12:06
Thank you very much!
Tm
DarkSerpent96
06-25-2002, 14:12
Thank you clanshade a warith you just gave me a demo thank a bundle you done your county proud.
DarkSerpent96
06-25-2002, 14:13
i mean ShadeWraith
CeltiberoSkullXIII
06-25-2002, 15:06
THX GUYS the DREAM OF MY LIFE IS DONE!!! NOW ICAN REST IN PEACE!!!
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"It's better to let the enemy alive as to kill it ... To TORTURE it!" http://gifanimados.ya.com/terror/calaveras_banderas/flag_wht_blkbns_clr.gif
Been downloading from clanshades non stop since the 19th.
Just finished and tried to unzip with winrar 3.0. I get an error message "The archive is either in unknown format or damaged" http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
...is their any hope doc!? ...anyone?
....I can't standit anymore !!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif
Cheers
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PSYCHO HOJO / PSYCHO SO
[This message has been edited by PSYCHO (edited 06-25-2002).]
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
"HELP.. I need somebody... HELP... not just anybody..HELP, you know I need someone,... HEeeeeLP!!.
When I was younger, so much younger than today,..I never needed anybody's help in any way.
But now those days are gone, I'm not so self assured,..now I find I've changed my mind and opened up the doors.
And now my life has changed in oh so many ways,..my independence seems to vanish in the haze.
But every now and then I feel so insecure,I know that I just need you like I've never done before. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Help me if you can, I'm feeling down,
and I do appreciate you being round.
Help me, get my feet back on the ground,
WON'T YOU PLEEEEASE...PLEASE Help me...HELP ME..HELP ME OOOoooooOOOO !!!!?"
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PSYCHO HOJO / PSYCHO SO
ShadeWraith
06-25-2002, 17:50
If you downloaded from the clanshades ftp server you shouldnt need to unzip the files...as they werent in a zip format originally. Just run the setup program.
Wraith
Thanks for the reply Shade
the _sys1 _user1 and data1 all were WinRar files when I was downloading. If I try and run the setup it comes up with an error and then shuts the install down.
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PSYCHO HOJO / PSYCHO SO
Konnichiwa,
The MTW demo is downloaded from YAS site last week-end, thanks YAS.
It's zipped in 30 mb split zipfile pieces and uploaded last sunday. It does take time for the mirrors to 'get' the files.
The Texas server seems to have it by now.
Visit http://www.3ddownloads.com/?directory=/strategy-gaming/totalwar/ and browse to the MTW folder. The other mirrors might become available soon.
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