The demo!

[w00tage]

I have just been playing the MTW demo and it looks pretty good. In battles small things have been done, when archers run out of arrows if you order them to attack they go into hand-to-hand. (Did they do this in we/mi because i only have original STW)

Fatigue is well inforced and with cavalry you are taught to walk towards them until you are a short distance away before you charge. Making your men run tires them very quickley. (nifty new system for watching fatigue)

Finally in a seige cavalry apper to dismount and become infantry (mabey it was just a different unit) and you can use artillary men as attack units if they run out of ammo.

:-)))))

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[The Scourge]

Quote Originally posted by w00tage:
I have just been playing the MTW demo and it looks pretty good. In battles small things have been done, when archers run out of arrows if you order them to attack they go into hand-to-hand. (Did they do this in we/mi because i only have original STW)


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Well they did in the original game as well.

[Catiline]

I'm actually not too happy with the auto attack feature on the archers. I can't remember if they'll stay where there are if they're set to hold position, but I wouldn't always want them to charge in, in SP you may want to maintain their strength, and in MP I'd not want them starting a rout.

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[Catiline]

THe fatigue system watching system was in place in STW btew, it just looks different.

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[MagyarKhans Cham]

cavalry dismounts when in siege? i hope they will mount if u charge from your castle to get those pesky trebuchets

[FasT]

i will have to get that PC Gamer mag http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
I want to try it out http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[Nelson]

Quote in a seige cavalry apper to dismount [/QUOTE]

This would be great but I suspect, w00tage, that you are mistaken. Hope you're not though.

[Tarrak]

Scourge:

What!?!??! I seem to remember that you got a bow with a red cross on it, just like when you try to fire guns in rain.

Dismounting knights are cool! I hope we are not being decieved.

[Catiline]

With missile units in STW alt+left click will attack, alt+double left click will charge like normal infantry. Holding alt will give you the sword cursor. In the MTW demo they automatically attack when they're out of ammo.

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[The Scourge]

Quote Originally posted by Tarrak:
Scourge:

What!?!??! I seem to remember that you got a bow with a red cross on it, just like when you try to fire guns in rain.

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Can't find the manual,so you'll have to take my word for it,but you could.I think you have to right click,and then the red cross becomes a sword ,and your ready to go.

[w00tage]

right click focuses on a point

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[Hulegu]

No mounted units dismount in the battle. They are dismounted at the start, with no riderless horses to be seen.
Looking through the names of the demo sub-folders produces what might be a full list of units (given that many of them are not required for the demo). In the textures/men/items/ folder are -
in Weapon 1/ subfolder: archers, arquebusier, berber camel, boyar, bulgarian brigands, chivalric foot knights, chivalric sergeants, desert archers, feudal foot knights, feudal man-at-arms, foot chivalric knights, futuwwa, gendarmes, genoese sailors, ghazil infantry, ghulam cavalry, golden horde heavy cavalry, golden horde warriors, hand gun, hashishin, hkav (?), horse archers, hospitaller foot knights, italian light infantry, janissary bows, janissary infantry, khwarazmian cavalry, lancers, late royal ghulam knights, late royal knights, longbows, mamluk handgun, mamluk horse archers, muslim peasants, negro spearmen, nizari, order foot soldiers, pronoiai allagion, religious fanatics, saharan cavalry, spanish jinetes, swiss halberdiers, trebizond archers, turcoman foot, turcopole
in Weapon 2/ also: abyssinian guard, alan mercenary cavalry, almohad urban militia, armenian heavy cavalry, bedouin camel warriors, billmen, byzantine cavalry, byzantine infantry, chivalric man-at-arms, early royal ghulam knights, early royal knights, feudal knights, golden horde horse archers, gothic foot knights, gothic knights, gothic sergeants, hobilar, kataphraktoi, knights (of) calatrava, knights hospitaller, knights (of) santiago, naptha throwers, ottoman infantry, ottoman sipahi, pikemen, polish retainer, sipahi of the porte, teutonic knights, turcoman horse, urban militia, woodsman
in Weapon 3/ also: chivalric knights, gallowglass, halbardiers, high royal knights, janissary heavy infantry, lithuanian cavalry, mamluk cavalry, militia sergeants, mounted sergeants, murabitin infantry, peasants, steppe cavalry, swiss armoured pikemen, varangian guard
in Weapon 4/ also: almughavars, artillery crew, highland clansman, high royal ghulam knights, mounted crossbows, saracen infantry
in Weapon 5/ also: kern, knights templar, swiss pikemen, teutonic sergeants
in Weapon 6/ also: feudal sergeants, muwahid foot, spearmen
in Weapon 7/ also: housecarle

So a few things to look forward to!

[Tarrak]

I know of the Alt + click, I used archers a lot in Shogun. Couldn't help it. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

And Scourge w00tage is right, right click IS focus. Didn't use it much, used mouse and arrows.

[w00tage]

I think i was wrong about the dismounted knights I saw two units:

Chivalric Knights (cav)
Chivalric Foot Knights (foot soldiers)

I think they may be different units



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[Azzamain]

Wasn't over impressed with the demo was okay. But then again I couldn't stand the orginal shogun demo.When it comes to other games the same applies for the demo's of dues ex and sudden strike 1/2. No matter demo's aew only a starting point its not uncommon to see a demo get unfavourable reaction but the actuall game to be well recieved.

I guess your all hoping that I'm right.

[Hirosito]

i saw no problem with either the shoggy or the deus ex demos

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Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

[w00tage]

the deus ex demo was the first levels of the full game and were pretty good.

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[FasT]

I cant get the MaG? its it out yet in England? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif

[Hirosito]

yeah pc gamer

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Hirosito Mori

Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

[HardRock]

Everyone talking about this new demo! Is England the only land that has it? Where can I get it?

[Hirosito]

you'll sson be able to d/l it from the .com website. maybe even here.

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Hirosito Mori

Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

[LittleGrizzly]

I liked both shogun demo + M:TW demo and absultuly loved dues ex demo (replayed it a few times)

[oZoNeLaYeR]

Doh! PCGamer is not out yet in Melbourne... it usually comes out in the middle of the month... ohhh the conspiracy between European Countries http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif

[This message has been edited by oZoNeLaYeR (edited 06-23-2002).]

[1dread1lahll]

Himmm Auto attack.... If the old stw folks recall, archers did not auto attack when out of arrows (but alt click and they did), in WE they auto attack when out (a problem when you have them grouped with your guns)

[CeltiberoSkullXIII]

Quote Originally posted by FasT:
i will have to get that PC Gamer mag http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
I want to try it out http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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download the demo lol i did it !!! now i m enjoying it! :-D

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[Kraellin]

in running thru all the tuts i never saw a unit mount or dismount, but in the stat files there are several references to dismounting and it 'appears' (not tested yet) that you may even be able to tell the stat files WHAT unit you end up with when you dismount. thus a given horse archer might be able to end up, once dismounted, as a light infantry unit.

like i say though, this is only hinted at so far and no tests run yet. and as i recall, it was mounted to dismounted, but never dismounted to mounted. more checking is necessary.

K.


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[Emp. Conralius]

I thought the MTW demo was straight, besides the "periodic" slowdowns when it came timefor battle! And Chivalric Foot Knights and Chivalric Knights are 2 SEPERATE units! No dismounting! Now that I think of it, it's a d**n shame that the MOngols aren't playable. For some time I've been wondering about how the Creative assembly would render Golden Horde Infantry. Maybe they'll be in the custom battle. Can't wait to try out the Turks!

[Emp. Conralius]

in the demo, what's up with the mosques and houses "shrinking" when bombarded?