diplomacy

[vyanvotts]

does anyone know if you can get a right of passage throguh your allies territory? in STW i found it annoying that if you were surrounded by a large ally/enemy the only way would to get somwhere in the game would be to declare war on them, knowing that they will easily crush u when behind there lines there were easier and less powerfull factions to declare war on. i also want to know if the stratergy maps fog of war has be turned off, i did not see the point of this, i was intrested in who was killing who in the rest of the map and it was pointless having this because in the throne room u could see who owned what teriirory on the small map on the table

[LittleGrizzly]

good point but mayb its 2 show u can only get a rough idea of what is happening in rest of japan

[DrNo]

Maybe good news for you vyanvotts, in the PC Gamer mag preview the reviewing described a situation where the French asked him(English) if they could pass through is terrority to invade Scotland.

So yes it seems like rites of passage are in there.

Best bit was that he agreed then promptly invaded Scotland first!

[Orda Khan]

But invariably these are at a price.
.......Orda

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" Send us your ambassadors and thus we shall judge whether you wish to be at peace with us or at war..if you make war on us the Everlasting God, who makes easy what was difficult and makes near what was far, knows that we know what our power is."

[vyanvotts]

Quote Originally posted by DrNo:
Maybe good news for you vyanvotts, in the PC Gamer mag preview the reviewing described a situation where the French asked him(English) if they could pass through is terrority to invade Scotland.

So yes it seems like rites of passage are in there.

Best bit was that he agreed then promptly invaded Scotland first![/QUOTE]

woo hoo that will be good, id probaly want to invade scotland too http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif who cares how much it cost!

[Purple Fencer]

I think the French got access through England because they were on a crusade. England sharing the same religion as France couldn't deny the request without alienating the rest of the Catholic world (not a "good thing" in the game I think). That said I don't know whether there is a "right of passage" through another country available through diplomacy other than a crusade/jihad.

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Nurse Bell, eh? Ding dong ....

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Crusades are a "special case" in diplomacy... the game is arranged to take into account the acts of the Papacy which bascicallyt ries to get Catholocism as the dominant religion but not at the cost of any one faction becomming too dominant.

Because of this the papacy will excommunicate and side with ever changing factions as it sees fit from its own perspective.

Crusades though can be launched against any non-catholic province (including a pagan scotland) and as a crusade apsses into provinces held by yourself you have the choice to let it through unmolested or fight it off (by refusing they will probably try to fight through).

The reason for not letting them through can be many - but normally its because as a crusade passes through your province it will "suck in" additinal troops from your province (and any of your armies in there) depending on the level of ZEAL in that province.

As such a Crusade passing through a key province can do you some harm as it goes through by sucking out (some of) your troops.

Of course if you say no and fight it off then you may end up worse off and being excommunicated.

Crusades move from province to province always towards their destination (unless beaten back or disolve through lack of interest/zeal) but can only "end" in the destination province (though thats not to say you cant capture other provinces along the way - you just cant leave your crusaders there in charge of it) [well you can sort of but they will just get bored and leave the crusade leaving you without a decent force there unless you've built it up withiin that province]

SO there are rights of passage for the crusade/jihad but not for "normalised" armies....

that doesnt stop you "going round them" though by sea, bribing the army, revelaing hidden vices of their generals - wiping up religious zeal for your own religion (if different) or stirring up local troubles with spies and hoping for some revolution (LOTS of options) ;-)

[Hirosito]

who gets to decide who is the leader of the crusade. in terms of country and general. if your general has high religious belief is it more likely that he will 'suck in' troops?

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Hirosito Mori

Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Crusader leaders come with the crusade as pot luck really...

what happens is you create a crusade "unit" in a province - once built you then need to drop it on any non-catholic faction province (OR any catholic province the pope has excommunicated) and it will then "fill up" with crusaders.

The type and number of units is dependent on the zeal and tech developments in the province the crusade is called in (but you can and will get other units also) - as such you get a totally random general unit it also - i've even had a peasant one (arghhhh)

I believe that there are also other factors involved like the religions in that province - the dread and piety of the leader (governor) and so on. For just about everything in MTW there seems to be multiple factors that influence things - which is great (imo) as its very hard to work out anything as being "guarenteed".

[theforce]

That will be awesome. Anyway there must be a way to designate from which provinces the army shall march from... That will be cool.

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I cannot return l presume so l will keep my name among those who are dead by bows!

[Wavesword]

Do lunatic hermits and children have their own crusades?

[Emp. Conralius]

I hear that Jihads for Islamic nations will work in the same way as the Crusades.

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Crusade marches from the province in which you "made it". Children, mad hermits and other forms of crusades get a mention aye.

Jihads work similarly but you dont need to bribe the pope to get em going.

ON the crusade point you can crusade against other catholics if the pope has excomunicated them.

[theforce]

This game sounds better and better all the time.

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I cannot return l presume so l will keep my name among those who are dead by bows!

[Hirosito]

sounds cool but i doubt you'll be crusading around all the time. should be expensive.

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

you can only run one crusade at a time!, so it must have failed or succeeded before you can launch another, you cant disband them at will either so...

also dont forget that it takes its initial troops from the province its created in (ie YOURS) so theres a hit on various things in that province.