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ShadesWolf
05-25-2002, 01:38
So what do we know about the Armenian civ, as these are to be one of the 12 factions?
Vlad The Impaler
05-25-2002, 01:42
i hope is a mistake with Armenia there ;i cant see any reason to be a faction in M:TW
ShadesWolf
05-25-2002, 01:49
A good friend of mine, and also a fellow member of the OOOO - King Stephen Went to E3 Expo and spoke to Michael DePlater from Dreamtime Interactive and the games producer.
He asked them the 12 factions, and they told him
-Armenians
-Byzantine
-Danes
-English
-French
-Germans
-Polish
-Russians
-Italians
-Spanish
-Almohads, (Moors I think)
-Turkish
Vlad The Impaler
05-25-2002, 03:23
yes i know i read the .com forum; but...i hope is a mistake; i cant see any reason for Armenia to be there ;
Vlad The Impaler
05-25-2002, 03:40
but to me it seems a big mistake.Armenia was under the byzantine at that time if i remember corectly; and also there was a strong Georgian Kingdom;
Catiline
05-25-2002, 05:22
The Armenians could justifiably be a power in Roman games; in later periods I'm not sure.
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Dark Phoenix
05-25-2002, 13:18
I thought that the Mongols were one of the civs in the game?
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Hirosito
05-25-2002, 16:09
good point maybe you can only defend against them in the game. and don't worry if you can't play them CA will think of a way http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif for you to be able to.
BTW what's up with having a turkish and a byzantine faction. that can't be right can it?
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Hirosito Mori
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Vlad The Impaler
05-25-2002, 17:18
updated by King Stephen at .com; isnt Armenia is the Almohads; as i said is almost impossible for Armenia to be there ;
I don't see why you all have a problem with the Armenians. They were only intermittently dominated by Byzantium (or Persia), and not in the MTW period. I think they would be interesting to play.
On Hirosito's query about Turks and Byzantines, remember the Ottomans who took over in modern Turkey were just one 'kind' of Turk. Many other Turkish peoples were active all over the place for many centuries, not least the Seljuks. I presume the game's Turks are meant to cover all of them, and they are the only people in the list you could have a crusade against (a Holy Land crusade that is, as opposed to Spanish/North African/Albigensian/eastern European ones).
What do you mean what's up with a Byzantine and Turkish faction. The Byzantine Empire didn't fall until 1453, and it was certainly still a power in 1097 when the game begins.
Grifman
FYI, info on Armenia I posted at Totalwar.com:
Armenia proper in in the Caucasus mountain area between, just south of the land area between the Black and Caspian Seas. Indeed, there is an independent Armenia today, a former Soviet republic in about this same area today, comprising just a part of historical Armenia.
Armenia was an important ally, and ultimate subject province of the Byzantines. Early on in Roman history, Armenia was an important dividing line between the Romans and Persians. Both countries preferred keeping the country neutral for various reasons and they developed an unusual policy to do so. The Armenian king was usually a family member of the Persian dynasty, but he had to be confirmed by the Roman Emperor. Hence both parties maitained some sense of control and yet Armenia was kept neutral. Most wars over Armenia between the Romans and Persians came about because of some violation of this unusual agreement.
However, as Armenia became Christian, it moved more firmly into the Roman orbit, as a ally and eventual part of the Empire. During the early Middle Ages and during the Byzantine retreat before the Arabs, the Armenians were subjects/clients of the caliphate. However, with the Byzantine resurgence of the 900's Armenia once again became first an ally, then a theme (province).
With the Byzantine collapse after Manzikert, Armenia fell to the Turks. However, many Armenian nobles had already migrated in service to the empire to the Cilician plain the part of Asia Minor just north the island of Cyprus. After the fall of Armenia, this immigration accelerated. This area became known as "Lesser Armenia". It was independent for a number of decades before the Byzantines asserted control as noted above.
So, that's it, all you wanted to know about Armenia.
Grifman
Hirosito
05-26-2002, 23:37
Quote Originally posted by Grifman:
What do you mean what's up with a Byzantine and Turkish faction[/QUOTE]
what i mean is that they are unlikely to be 2 different factions.
and as vlad said the list was wrong anyway so there is still abit missing
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Hirosito Mori
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
Again, I ask why? The Byzantines and Turks were totally opposite. The Byzantines were Christian, highly civilized culture, the Turks were Muslim, originally steppe nomadic culture. I suppose you think the French and English should be combined - after all, they were both Christian and European.
Doesn't matter anyway, we know the Byzantines and Turks are factions, that's been posted numerous places . . .
Grifman
Hirosito
05-27-2002, 23:55
ok i just looked again and it seems the turks will be green. i just didn't think there was enough space for them. and in all honesty they do look a bit squashed at the edge of the map. they will have a tough time.
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Hirosito Mori
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
Dionysus9
06-04-2002, 02:45
Armenia!? I too am a little puzzled.
What year was it that Armenia began its expansion into Europe?!
As far as I understand, Armenia HAS had strategic importance as a buffer between Rome and Persia. I also thought that Armenia was generally content within it's borders. I have never heard of an Armenian expiditionary force, or even any Armenian incursions into another country (except possibly Turkey). I've always thought of the Armenians as a small defensive country that had enough trouble fighting off Turks and Persians that they didn't have time for military conquest.
Perhaps I am wrong, but all the other playable factions were aggressive military expansionists, bent on subjugating everyone around them. The Armenians, wedged in between the Byzantine Empire/Turkey and the Persian Empire/Iran had very little opportunity to adopt such aggressive militarism. As such, I cant see how they fit into the MTW factions.
That doesnt mean they wont be fun to play...
This has been corrected - it was originally misunderstood - Armenia is NOT a faction.
Grifman
Dionysus9
06-04-2002, 22:43
Muahahaha.... we were right.
So what are the 12 factions then?
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Sir Kuma of The Org
06-12-2002, 02:15
If you start in 1087, 10 factions available:
-Almohads
-Byzantine
-Egyptians
-English
-French
-Germans
-Italians
-Polish
-Spanish
-Turkish
If you start in 1321 Danes and Russians become a playable faction.
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Hirosito
06-12-2002, 20:55
as kuma rightly says those are the playable factions. there seem to be many unplayable ones as well.
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Hirosito Mori
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
Emp. Conralius
06-30-2002, 23:01
Armenia is basically a buffer zone (in the game) between the Turks and the Byzantines. Although a Byzantine province, later the Turks conquer it and recieve most of their Jannisary recruits from Armenia. In the game I would imagine that it would be an area of constant conflict between the Turks and the Byzantines.
Hirosito
07-01-2002, 20:43
yeah in one screenshot the turks are very squashed in. they are at the edge of the map so it'll be tough for them
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Hirosito Mori
Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.
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