View Full Version : The Great Debate: Floyd or Zeppelin?
Ianofsmeg16
06-10-2007, 11:44
A healthy Debate on Which is Better;
Floyd
Zeppelin
The The Battle Begin!
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As the Floyd song title says, my dear Ian, Apples & Oranges.
Not a choice I EVER want to make but Zep by a gnat's eyelash!
Dutch_guy
06-10-2007, 12:49
Well, in my opinion a loud Gah is in order here.
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Reverend Joe
06-10-2007, 13:29
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But if I had to choose one, Floyd by a long shot, because of Syd Barrett.
Too completely different styles. I have more Led Zep (every album) so I'll vote that.
But they're both great really. Except John Henry Bonham, he's the better drummer from the two bands, and IMHO the best drummer I've ever heard.
Duke Malcolm
06-10-2007, 15:58
It's nice to see you here again ianofsmeg16!!
Damned tricky to decide, though. I had to say Floyd, though.
Gawain of Orkeny
06-10-2007, 16:07
Obviously it's The Who
Obviously as its they who invented the beast. No Hendrix was not the guy who turned up his amp and started playing outrageously loud. It was Townsend and the Who. They invented hard rock along with bands like Blue Cheer.
Floyd is probably the greatest prog rock band of all time however. Zep the 2nd best blues based rock band behind Cream IMHO.
The Who are basicly a hard rock band that ventures into prog. Listen to Live at Leeds and see what I mean. These guys held the record for the loudest band in concert for decades.
InsaneApache
06-10-2007, 16:13
Indeed. Although I do believe that Sabbath pinched that particular honour.
I used to like Zep when my elder brother started paying their stuff in the early 70s.
Having said that, when he brought home 'The Piper at the gates of Dawn' , 'Obscured by Clounds' and finally 'Relics' i think that Floyd would edge it, if only for the mix of stuff they did.
Gawain of Orkeny
06-10-2007, 16:27
Indeed. Although I do believe that Sabbath pinched that particular honour.
:laugh4:
Are you for real?
The Who were releasing records in 64 . Sabbath was a late comer not being formed until 69 and releasing records in 70.
Listen to the power chords in Substitute from 1966.
InsaneApache
06-10-2007, 17:09
I know that. I was referring to the loudest band in rock claim.
I'd prefer the Who out of the two anyway.
The intro to 'Won't get fooled again' is very nice. :laugh4:
phoenix[illusion]
06-10-2007, 17:12
I'm really don't like Pink Floyd. Their music i too boring, so I voted for Zep. Zep is good, but there are better old rock bends like Jethro Tull, The Who, Boston, Uriah Heep, maybe they are not popular as Zep and Floyd, but they got better music.
Reverend Joe
06-10-2007, 21:35
Obviously as its they who invented the beast. No Hendrix was not the guy who turned up his amp and started playing outrageously loud. It was Townsend and the Who. They invented hard rock along with bands like Blue Cheer.
It's not a matter of playing loud. Most everyone can do that (hell, it was really the Chicago Bluesmen invented the amped-up guitar; the "beast" as you call it.) It's a matter of playing well. ~D In that respect, the Who don't hold a candle to Hendrix.
Talking of guitarists in that case I like Brian May, Red Special connected to the Deacy Amp can give wonderfull strange and good usably sounds.
Sure Hendrix, Santana and Clapton are the best when talking of normal material.
Gawain of Orkeny
06-10-2007, 21:40
In that respect, the Who don't hold a candle to Hendrix.
Thats a matter of opinion. Certainly the case can be made that Hendrix is the greatest guitar player ever . Hendrix is great but again isnt pure rock. And as far as talent goes dont tell me they cant hold a candle to his band. Entwistle and Moon blow them away and Daltry has one of the best voices in the history of rock. Not to mention that when it comes to writting Pete is by far his master.
In fact when Hendix first came to England Pete was told he was stealing his act and so he went to see him. Petes reaction? He said hes not stealing my act hes perfecting it.:)
Hendrix is great but again isnt pure rock.
You don't have to play rock to be a good guitar player ~D
What I do like to say is that Entwistle is the best bass player ever tho.
And now we're on about The Who, this clip has to be watched:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xZOrWK6d4g
Reverend Joe
06-10-2007, 21:50
Yeah, I know its opinion. But don't go knocking the Band of Gypsies, now. I know the Experience was really amateurish, but you have to admit that the Gypsies were one of the most amazing bands in music history.
As far as writing, well, that's a matter of opinion, as well. I personally find the Who's songs to be really mundane, and aside from the first 15-30 seconds of listening to them perform, they get really old, really fast. And anyway, Hendrix never had the time to really get ahold of writing; however, his posthumous recordings show (at least, in my opinion) an exponentially growing writing talent.
GeneralHankerchief
06-10-2007, 21:59
Can't be bothered to find that "back to topic" smiley.
That said, both have merits. Zeppelin never played a bad song (as compared to Floyd with their stuff from Ummagumma and Atom Heart Mother), but IMHO Floyd also wrote more good ones.
Singer: Floyd was just all over the place with this. First they had Barrett, then Gilmour/Waters, completely Waters, then completely Gilmour. They even got Roy Harper to sing on Have a Cigar. Robert Plant was consistently Zeppelin's vocalist, and better than any of 'em on Floyd.
Edge: Zeppelin
Guitarist: Apples and oranges, as Beirut said earlier. Page is Page and Gilmour is Gilmour. But if anyone says that Page is more hard rockin', let me point you to Dogs.
Edge: even
Auxilary: John Paul Jones is a good keyboardist. But this is where Floyd and Rick Wright shine (on?).
Edge: Floyd
Percussion: Bonham. Mason is decent but just can't hold his own against Zep's drummer.
Edge: Zeppelin
Writing: Zep had some pretty cool stuff in there, like Ramble On and The Battle of Evermore. But mostly, when you come down to it, they were always a blues-related band that expanded a little bit later on in their career. Floyd, with Syd and Waters and (gah!) Gilmour were all over the map.
Edge: Floyd
So it's 2.5 to 2.5. I like Floyd better, so I'm giving the final edge to them.
Gawain of Orkeny
06-10-2007, 22:00
But don't go knocking the Band of Gypsies, now.
Im not knocking them Saying their not as good on their instruments as Entwistle and Moon is no knock. I dont know of any better bass player or drummer.
I personally find the Who's songs to be really mundane,
Tommy and Quadraphenia are mundane? Whos Next is mundane? And you tell me dont knock Band of Gypsies?
What I do like to say is that Entwistle is the best bass player ever tho.
The Ox was indeed the best.
And now we're on about The Who, this clip has to be watched:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xZOrWK6d4g
Only watched 1 second of it. It loks like the clip from the Smothers Bros where Moon put a charge in his drums. Then he doubled it and at the end blew it up causing deafness. I remember watching this when it was first aired back in the 70s.
Only watched 1 second of it. It loks like the clip from the Smothers Bros where Moon put a charge in his drums. Then he doubled it and at the end blew it up causing deafness. I remember watching this when it was first aired back in the 70s.
Yup that's the one, great clip
But it also shows clearly how Entwistle masters the bass, playing the little solo in My Generation. As if he did it since a was a baby.
Gawain of Orkeny
06-10-2007, 22:08
But it also shows clearly how Entwistle masters the bass, playing the little solo in My Generation. As if he did it since a was a baby.
When the song came out everyone thought it was Pete on guitar playing that not John on bass doing it.
Heh, one can easely believe such a thing, it's not often you hear bass solo's
Gawain of Orkeny
06-10-2007, 22:36
Heh, one can easely believe such a thing, it's not often you hear bass solo's
In the early 60s never :laugh4:
lancelot
06-10-2007, 22:44
Id give it to Floyd...as much as I love Zep.
Floyd were definately more creative and I rate Dave Gilmour just as highly as Page- If for no other reason than Gilmour can still do it- Page has difficulty playing his stuff these days (and has been for a long while), especially lead riffs.
I also have it on reasonable authority that there may be a Zep reformation in the works (with Jason Bonham on drums). I was initially skeptical- was thinking it would most likely just be Page & Plant but no- it is supposed to be the Zep- whey hey!
Hosakawa Tito
06-10-2007, 23:27
I refuse to choose, I love 'em both.:2thumbsup:
Allow me to correct the mistake made in the title.
The Great Debate: Floyd or Led Zeppelin?
There, that should do it :)
Gawain of Orkeny
06-11-2007, 00:21
Allow me to correct the mistake made in the title.
Quote:
The Great Debate: Floyd or Led Zeppelin?
There, that should do it :)
Except their losing and last on the list. The winner seems to be the Who:laugh4:
Pink Floyd and Led Zepellin are both incredibly pompous, although inspired, talented and technically accomplished - the Who (as well as the whole mod thing) were as carefully constructed as Pete Townshed's riffs; taking extra care on what clothes to wear what sort of face make on stage and what sort
of guitar to smash.
While all three are worth a place in r'n'r history they don't really worth their hype IMO.
Many Thanks
Noir
Incongruous
06-11-2007, 00:37
Gah! One is progressive, the other Hard Rock, or as Americanos call it heavy metal (j/ks!)
But uhh, I like Zep's style of musics more than Floyds, but then again, Prog is best described by genesis or king crimson.
Otherwise, rock is still ruled by King Fab Four and Prince The Who?
All ohers are merley slaves!
When did this become a debate?
Floyd.
Gawain of Orkeny
06-11-2007, 02:36
When did this become a debate?
Thats all covered under the Gah option.
John Paul Jones is a good keyboardist.
Better on bass though, listen to The Lemon Song. Now that my friend is insane bass.
Personally I find the Who meh. But that's just me, so each to their own really.
Gawain of Orkeny
06-11-2007, 03:50
etter on bass though, listen to The Lemon Song. Now that my friend is insane bass.
Personally I find the Who meh.
Entwistle blows him away. Well Hes better :laugh4: You cant even see his fingers flying over them strings. The list of great Who bass lines is too long to even list. By the way so Is Paul McCartney. Many dont realise what a great bass player Paul is.
By the way so Is Paul McCartney. Many dont realise what a great bass player Paul is.
He certainly is, damned good.
Ianofsmeg16
06-11-2007, 08:03
Each man unto his own...but personally i find The Who meh-ing brilliant
meh being replaced by a rather vulgar and rather banned swear word.
If you see them live you would agree
Gawain of Orkeny
06-11-2007, 16:28
If you see them live you would agree
Did you ever see all 4 of the originals together. Hes right . No other band has the energy on stage of the Who. You have to be there to appreciate it. That being said Floyd puts on the greatest spectacle in concert. A total asualt on the senses. The Who just come out and flat rock your socks off. Dont judge them by their records other than Live at Leeds if your a hard rocker.
macsen rufus
06-11-2007, 16:52
Floyd, all the way.
I never really saw the point of Led Zep. Actually it took me a long while to see the point to Floyd as well, but one of my friends played "See Emily Play" when I was in a "receptive state", and I loved it so much he ended up playing it seven times in a row..... :embarassed: Well, I was so "receptive" I couldn't remeber that little fact afterwards ~D
But as a child of the (mid) 70s, my thing was really punk - but The Who were well in there too. I never did get to see them live - I even had a ticket once, but for some reason had to miss the gig.
As for Tommy, though.... well I liked some of the songs for quite a while, but I didn't actually see the film til after I'd seen "The Wall", which is, of course, too late! It just looked lame, dated, and cringeworthy. In its time it may have been something, but it's time wasn't for very long.
Gregoshi
06-11-2007, 16:52
Why does it not surprise me that a poll with only two choices ends up with an unlisted "choice" winning and dominating the thread?
Gawain of Orkeny
06-11-2007, 17:05
Because the Who are the Fathers of Rock and the greatest rock band of all time :laugh4:
InsaneApache
06-11-2007, 17:22
Floyd, all the way.
I never really saw the point of Led Zep. Actually it took me a long while to see the point to Floyd as well, but one of my friends played "See Emily Play" when I was in a "receptive state", and I loved it so much he ended up playing it seven times in a row..... :embarassed: Well, I was so "receptive" I couldn't remeber that little fact afterwards ~D
But as a child of the (mid) 70s, my thing was really punk - but The Who were well in there too. I never did get to see them live - I even had a ticket once, but for some reason had to miss the gig.
As for Tommy, though.... well I liked some of the songs for quite a while, but I didn't actually see the film til after I'd seen "The Wall", which is, of course, too late! It just looked lame, dated, and cringeworthy. In its time it may have been something, but it's time wasn't for very long.
Just as long as you explain to Gawain that the Who and punk were very,very tenuously linked. :laugh4:
Because the Who are the Fathers of Rock and the greatest rock band of all time :laugh4:
duh
As much as I love Zep I had to give the nod to Floyd. Pink Floyd is arguably the most original band of all time whereas Zep is essentially a hard rock/blues group (albeit an extraordinary one). Sure, Zep branched out but their bread and butter and their best work was rooted firmly in the blues.
Zep rocked as hard if not harder than the best bands of that era but Floyd defined cutting edge. Floyd started out as a genre defining psychedelic band and evolved into a... well, how does one define Floyd after Syd Barrett left the band? Floyd also gets points for being one of the few bands to successfully combine rock and classical and not sound like a cheesy mess or a train wreck.
Entwistle blows him away. Well Hes better :laugh4: You cant even see his fingers flying over them strings. The list of great Who bass lines is too long to even list. By the way so Is Paul McCartney. Many dont realise what a great bass player Paul is.
While I don't rate the Who nearly as high as you (who doesn't? :laugh4: ) I must say that Entwistle and Moon have to be the best rhythm section of any rock band. Townsend was damn smart to simply let those guys do their own thing. JP Jones was a fine bassist but he never stood out like Entwistle and while Bonham was a fantastic drummer I thought he wasn't nearly as creative as Moon. Anyway I get the feeling Page was more of a control freak than Townsend and would not have liked Jones and Bonham tearing off on their own between major beats. One thing I loved about Moon was that he always seemed as if he was about to go careening out of control, this is especially apparent if you watch him in concert footage. Sometimes you think to yourself, "What the hell is he doing, how can he keep the beat, do those fills and do all those wacky antics at the same time?" Speaking of fills Moon's are simply phenomenal, he even manages to make Mitch Mitchell's work sound a tad anemic!
Axeknight
06-11-2007, 21:10
Zeppelin by a country mile. Floyd are great in small doses, but I can listen to Zeppelin all day.
Fantasy '70s rock band:
Piano/Keys - Rick Wright - Because Great Gig In The Sky is so perfect.
Drums - John "Bonzo The Beast" Bonham - Moon could play the most brilliant fill, but couldn't repeat it cause he was more an instinct player. Bonham was solid.
Bass - John "The Ox" Entwistle - Entwistle was the greatest bassist ever. Pete described him as a 'lead guitarist bassist'
Rhythm Guitar - Pete Townsend - Can do more with simple poer chords than anybody else.
Lead Guitar - Jimmy Page - Pagey is second only to Hendrix as greatest guitarist. Power, dynamic, versitility (listen to Black Mountainside or the stunning version of White Summer on the Zep DVD - he wasn't all about heaviness), attitude (he pretty much invented the gunslinger guitar hero thing), and great tone. And he had dragons on his trousers!
Vox - Paul Rodgers - The greatest white blues singer ever, and he did soul as well. Stunning voice when with Free, shame he toned down the truly brilliant aspects of Free for Bad Company, but Shooting Star showed he still had it even if he wasn't using it much.
Plebian#10
06-11-2007, 21:20
A most difficult choice but i would have to say zeppelin over floyd but just by a pinch.
Talking of guitarists in that case I like Brian May, Red Special connected to the Deacy Amp can give wonderfull strange and good usably sounds.
Sure Hendrix, Santana and Clapton are the best when talking of normal material.
Stag, err... I mean Stig (yes that is a rather stupid joke) Anyway..
Best guitarist ever: steve vai!
Gawain of Orkeny
06-11-2007, 21:29
Did any of you know that Zep almost was Page, Plant, Entwistle and Moon?
InsaneApache
06-11-2007, 22:42
Yes, sad isn't it?
Reverend Joe
06-11-2007, 23:49
Entwistle blows him away. Well Hes better :laugh4: You cant even see his fingers flying over them strings. The list of great Who bass lines is too long to even list. By the way so Is Paul McCartney. Many dont realise what a great bass player Paul is.
Just for the record, Jack Casady is still the greatest bassist of all time. If you don't believe me, buy the extended CD of "After Bathing at Baxter's" and listen to the bass solo on the live version of "The Ballad of You and Me and Pooneil." Even after listening to it well over 500 or so times, it renders me catatonic.
And if you STILL don't believe me, listen to some Hot Tuna.
Gawain of Orkeny
06-12-2007, 00:04
Just for the record, Jack Casady is still the greatest bassist of all time.
Your daft. None of the worlds greatest Musicians play rock. They all play Jazz and Blues. Entwistle however is the Best bass player in rock and the inventor of the lead bass.
Well I suppose I gotta go with Floyd on this, given that I have two of their albums and none of Zep's. That said, I do very much enjoy both groups.
Well I suppose I gotta go with Floyd on this, given that I have two of their albums and none of Zep's. That said, I do very much enjoy both groups.
I will go with Floyd as well as I have about 20+ of their albums and four DVDs and 1 album of Led Zep's and 1 DVD.
Led Zep is incredible, there is no doubt, I simply prefer Pink Floyd. There is no other music that reaches the back of my brain like theirs.
And if you STILL don't believe me, listen to some Hot Tuna.
I'll second that, simply brilliant.
Although Victor Wutan (or however you spell it) is an absolute nutter on bass.
trying to decide has made my brain feel all twitchy...I choose GAH!!!:gah2:
macsen rufus
06-12-2007, 09:41
Just as long as you explain to Gawain that the Who and punk were very,very tenuously linked.
Seconded, IA -- there was no link other than that we were punks who had a great love and respect for the Who... "Boris the Spider" especially, yeah :2thumbsup: (This was before the retro-mod thing of the late 70s/early 80s came along, btw)
InsaneApache
06-12-2007, 09:47
I used to have a 'thing' about Gaye Advert. :balloon2:
Caerfanan
06-15-2007, 12:57
Why does it not surprise me that a poll with only two choices ends up with an unlisted "choice" winning and dominating the thread?
Because some people think that choosing between Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin is not possible? :yes:
I think their musics are different, in my case, I would listen to one or the other on different occasions. My answer would so be FLoyd one day, then Led Zeppelin another, depending on my mood!
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