13 non- playable factions

[Stephen Hummell]

anyone know what the 13 non-playable factions are?

[This message has been edited by Stephen Hummell (edited 06-22-2002).]

[Orda Khan]

Orda thought it was 13 playable factors
..........Orda

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[Prodigy]

There are 12 playable fractions and (I think) a lot more then 13 non-playable ones.

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I am the law and you can't beat the law.

[Prodigy]

Plus not all of them are playable in all of the Eras. For example, "Russia" is not playable in Early Era but in Late and High Eras.

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I am the law and you can't beat the law.

[Stephen Hummell]

i know there are 12 playable ones, but I heard that there are 13 non-playable ones, like the scots or the irish. It was on the new review that kuma put up on the org.

[This message has been edited by Stephen Hummell (edited 06-22-2002).]

[w00tage]

preview not review

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[Stephen Hummell]

Oh well

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Hmmm

Well - each "rebel" faction has a niminal "leader" to it also - thus you see "Rebels - Led by the Welsh" for those troops in Wales.

But I guess you are talking about the ones Like Almohads, Swiss, Sicilians etc? (ie the Major Factions not Rebel Factions?)

[Cheetah]

Hmmm

Darkmoor_Dragon would you classify Hungary as "rebel" faction?

First of all which are the playable factions?

I am a bit dissapointed because there is no update on it on the totalwar.com site.

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

I'll try to compile a list - gimme a bit and I'll rustle up as much as i can.

[Stephen Hummell]

Playable factions- Russians, English, Christian Spain, France, Turks, Egyptians (Arabs), Almohad, Holy Roman Empire, Papacy, Byzantium, Danes (I Think), Who Else.

[Stephen Hummell]

Rebels or Non-Playable factions- Scots, Irish, Welsh, Portugal, Hungary, Mongols (I guess), And the many others in eastern Europe

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Playable (Late period - my current SP Campaign):

Byzantines, Danes, Egyptians, ENglish, French, Germans, Italians, Polish, RUssians, Spanish, Turkish.


Non playable im still working on but majors include:

Swiss, Almohads, Sicilians, Golden Horde, Hungarians, Aragonese

Minors include provincial "rebels" such as Welsh, Scots, Irish etc and there are at least half a dozen rebel factions (these are factions of loosely aligned rebels which displaya s same colour - attack one province and they can get help from another rebel province

[Emp. Conralius]

the Almohads ARE playable

[Hirosito]

emp.corn not in the late ages which as darmoor stated was the campaign he was just playing. i think he'd know

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Hirosito Mori

Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

[Stephen Hummell]

Are the turks playable in early era?

How do you beat the game? Just like in Shogun or different?

[Emp. Conralius]

I didnt bother to read the whole thing. I think he can speak for himself though Hirosito. How you beat MTW will basically be the same, but with some new conditions of victory. It'll take a lot longer tough, Shogun had 60 province, where as Medieval has over 100 if you include the bodies of water.

[Emp. Conralius]

Darkmoor_Dragon, how are you playing anything besides the demo?!

[PSYCHO]

I think he's a Beta !?

Cheers

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[Emp. Conralius]

I need to get my ass to those mods!

[Hirosito]

i'm sure they'll appreciate it

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Quote Originally posted by Emp. Conralius:
Darkmoor_Dragon, how are you playing anything besides the demo?![/QUOTE]

http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/previews/jun02/medievil_rev.html

Im a reviewer.


Sorry for late reply ive been too busy playing MTW ;-)

[Emp. Conralius]

Darkmoor Dragon please send me this late period beta your playing, my e-mail is:

BBenham169@aol.com

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

Quote Originally posted by Darkmoor_Dragon:
http://www.gamesdomain.com/gdreview/zones/previews/jun02/medievil_rev.html

Im a reviewer.


Sorry for late reply ive been too busy playing MTW ;-)[/QUOTE]

IT's about time that you give yourself a nice plug http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif. Your preview is going front-page as it should.

In the name of then Org patron's here, thanks for the info that you share with us.



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[PSYCHO]

Quote Originally posted by Darkmoor_Dragon:
Im a reviewer.Sorry for late reply ive been too busy playing MTW ;-)[/QUOTE]

Lucky B@stard !!
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Cheers



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[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Quote Originally posted by Emp. Conralius:
Darkmoor Dragon please send me this late period beta your playing, my e-mail is:

BBenham169@aol.com[/QUOTE]

?????

lol - sorry emp. I have a working build of the full game (its just happens i was playing late period at the time) but its name stamped and not going anywhere other than my hard drive!

Fwiw though im more than happy to do a speciality review for .org if someone there gives me a topic/area they want covered. (Ive also got about an hour of interview with the two michaels from CA so lots of info...)

[This message has been edited by Darkmoor_Dragon (edited 07-04-2002).]

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

Quote Originally posted by Darkmoor_Dragon:
?????

lol - sorry emp. I have a working build of the full game (its just happens i was playing late period at the time) but its name stamped and not going anywhere other than my hard drive!

Fwiw though im more than happy to do a speciality review for .org if someone there gives me a topic/area they want covered. (Ive also got about an hour of interview with the two michaels from CA so lots of info...)

[This message has been edited by Darkmoor_Dragon (edited 07-04-2002).][/QUOTE]

Your call, any new info would be welcome. Maybe what you have gathered concerning MP?



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[Orda Khan]

Quote Originally posted by Darkmoor_Dragon:
?????

lol - sorry emp. I have a working build of the full game (its just happens i was playing late period at the time) but its name stamped and not going anywhere other than my hard drive!

Fwiw though im more than happy to do a speciality review for .org if someone there gives me a topic/area they want covered. (Ive also got about an hour of interview with the two michaels from CA so lots of info...)

[This message has been edited by Darkmoor_Dragon (edited 07-04-2002).][/QUOTE]

What are the plans for MP ?
.........Orda

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[Emp. Conralius]

YOU GREEDY SON *********!!!!!!

Just KIDDIN!


-or am i?

[This message has been edited by Sir Kuma of The Org (edited 07-04-2002).]

[Emp. Conralius]

Why not share the wealth DarkMoor?!?!?!

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

Quote Originally posted by Emp. Conralius:
Why not share the wealth DarkMoor?!?!?![/QUOTE]

He told you why read his last post and stop harassing him please. Thanks!



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[The Black Ship]

Darkmoor,

Just wondering, when you conquer a province that produces a specialized type of unit (like longbowmen, Camel archers etc...) you're allowed to produce that unit type for your army, right? If so, how are you finding such a diverse inventory? Is it worth waiting for those Longbows to arrive from Sussex, or do you just produce another unit of Genoese sailors since they're so close by?

[Emp. Conralius]

I think he can speak for himself Sir Kuma, we're all me here! Well, except a few of us!

[Emp. Conralius]

Sir Kuma, I was just joking with him, no need to get defensive. Darkmoore, how are the Turks? A brief dscription will do.

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Quote Originally posted by The Black Ship:
Darkmoor,

Just wondering, when you conquer a province that produces a specialized type of unit (like longbowmen, Camel archers etc...) you're allowed to produce that unit type for your army, right? If so, how are you finding such a diverse inventory? Is it worth waiting for those Longbows to arrive from Sussex, or do you just produce another unit of Genoese sailors since they're so close by?[/QUOTE]


Depends how urgent it is really.. as everything goes in years, not seasons, you can transport entire armies in "one move" via a shipping route (if you've got one set up)... if you've got to march an army overland, probably go for the locals (or get some mercs if avaialable).

What i've tended to do is push all the "poor" units back to safe provinces (playing as the english this is relatively "easy" as you can "always" protect your homelands with big fleets in the surrounding seas - islands have their distinct advantages!)...

any "surplus" low-quality units i disband and let em go into the mercenary pool... it generally isnt cost-effective to keep "surplus" units around for any length of time plus you're troops made in "older" provinces tend to be generally more loyal anyway.

hmm - it does depend though... i took constantinople by sea on one occaision but in the process the port was destroyed - there was absolutely NO WAY i could march an army there (way too many factions in the way by land) and until i could build a port i was stuffed (needed to build a wooden fort first - then keep - then port, about 16 years to complete in all, off the top of my head, might be 8)

...anyway - in the meantimei had to defend against the Polish (who were the previous conquerors [byzantines ahd been wiped out]) - so you HAVE to produce locally OR get merc (i had an Inn left and they build straight from the first fort anyway)...

to get to longbows i'dve needed.. hmm fort->keep->castle->bowyer,->bowyers guild_>master bowyer (again off the top of my head) so thats about ,....hmm...50 ish years or so! anyway...

I managed to survive with mercs and local pesants/militia/spearmen and basic archers to supplement my dwindling english troops until the port was built (then the AI blockaded me!!! and i had to win a sea battle or 5 along my shipping lane) and eventually bought in a new english army, retired the local wallahs - sacked the mercs and took what was left of the original army back to england for a refit.


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lolol - that answer the question? ;-)

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Bascially this game isn't set up as a "conquer" everything - i kid ye not that is SO HARD (and the ai really works against you doing it in inumerous ways) and probably the "Ultimate" challenge... running to complete the race for "most points" in global glorious achievements is more "attainable" in the short term (and as there's no real end-game to GA's you can continue to conquer anyway [plus you get bonus points for provinces conquered])...

to achieve some of the GA's you really need to use quite dedicated long term stratagies... its nigh-on impossible to "rapidly" develop a good production chain to create, say, a good big naval fleet that stays up-to-date (aint no use having dhows when the english have cogs and [the higher one] with cannons... and especially not to churn out ships at the rate needed).. so if you're going for the GA "Dominate 2/3 of the wool trade" you're going to need to "stay at home" to a large degree - keep england (wales, ireland, mercia, wesex) totally safe and built up as production/trade sites, then expand via sea-borne attacks (grab the venitian wool producing provinces helps by going around spain by sea).. and then to get the angevin GA you run a last gasp assault on the french provinces "at your discretion" (or when an opportunity arises).


(by now im hoping you've got an idea of the complexity of the SP game)


Of course you have to watch out for the Danes trying to get "Angleland" back and the french (who just dont plain like the english one bit even if youve married every last daughter to em and done nothing to them for 200 years [because THEIR GA is to get that "french" land back]..and of course theres the danish trade GA's and the "italians" (venetians) and ...

oh and lets not forget also trying to raise appplicable crusading armies for THOSE english GA's (4 crusader provinces to get) oh.. AND capture Rhodes (which, guess what - happens to be a "Homelands" GA for about 2-3 other factions also)


So...


You're long term strategy was? And you do "Precisely what if X happens?"

hehe - it really isn't something you can always plan for and "make do" often rules the day.

What else didn't I mention?

Oh yes - leaving all those "noble blood" generals from long-since dead princes back home to look after provinces when you're king is on the other side of the Mediteranean? guess what? civil war time, revolution, rebellion (and visa versa - Prince of antioch decides he wants independence and takes 5 provinces with him in his little civil war of independence) eeesh...!

Oh and lets not forget the pope getting antsy because the englisha re now too powerful - and he doesnt like any catholic faction being TOO powerful.. get excomunicated and your populations (guarded now in the safe provinces by only a few troops) will go nuts and revolt. (Of ocourse if you can afford to keep lots of goood soldiers in safe provinces - go for it - just hope they dont revolt etc or you'll have to face em yourself lol)

and finally - to support all this building and these armies? trade, trade and more trade...

but, WAIT... whats this... only FOREIGN factions will trade with you - you only trade "Locally" within your own faction and that means "within" the same province...so heres an example:

Flanders was earning me 4000+ florins a year in trade - get blocaked in the english channel and that revenue drops to about 120 florins in local trade (maybe 900 forins in farmlands with a good governor also)... if the AIs got a good fleet arond your trade centre you can go from +30,000 florins a year to minus 30,000 florins a year in ONE MOVE!.


got to say - i love this game.


(NB - i always and only play at expert level - no idea what the ai is like at lower levels)

[Emp. Conralius]

DarkMoor Dragon! How exactly did Creative Assembly render Constantinople? What happens to Byzantium if you conquer it? Does this have the same effect on the Italians if you take Rome? What if a Islamic nation takes Rome? Sorry about all the questions, butyou seem to know whats happening?
P.S. Do you know exactliy when it's comin out?

[Stephen Hummell]

WOW...

You know when the demo is comin' out in an american mag or on the shelves cause i'm unable to download the demo.

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[Sir Kuma of The Org]

Quote Originally posted by Emp. Conralius:
I think he can speak for himself Sir Kuma, we're all me here! Well, except a few of us![/QUOTE]


Yes every one can speak for himself but i can not use this as an excuse to not do my job as a moderator.

I sincerely thought rightfully or wrongfully (i can't read your intent, only the words you write down) that you we're pushing it a bit and starting to harass the guy.

As for you joking with him...If you say so, i'll believe you. I guess it was your *Just KIDDIN! -or am i?* that kind of confused me.

Of course when you write something, you know what your intent is but sometimes what you mean and how it is read, how it is received, is two different things.

I think that if you read all your posts in this topic like if it was written by someone else than yourself, a stranger, you may see part of my point of view.

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[This message has been edited by Sir Kuma of The Org (edited 07-05-2002).]

[1dread1lahll]

So many factions........ playable ones....nonplayable.........In single player..............what really matters is multiplayer.....whats the inside info here???

[Hirosito]

darkmoor do you have to abide by the glorious achievements? or can you say sod this i'm kicking as much arse as there is available?

[Emp. Conralius]

I see Sir Kuma

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

Quote Originally posted by Hirosito:
darkmoor do you have to abide by the glorious achievements? or can you say sod this i'm kicking as much arse as there is available?[/QUOTE]


No they aren't "forced" - they sort of run in the background and you either do them or you dont... the "set dates" are just when you can score on them - e.g. every faction has a "Homelands" GA - this is to have control of certain provinces - these get checked about every 25 years and run throughout. If you hold 3 provines out of the 5 on that year your "fail to score" - you dont loose the game or anything.

Not sure how some of the other more targeted GAs work - but i did play the english which had a set "end date" for the "Early period" - i forwent the GAs after a bit and went for total conquest - still playing now 200 years after the GA period was supposed to end.

.. They seem more like "Mini milesstones" to me - or almost a "sub-game" , points that you can aim for in shorter playing sessions, that sort of thing.

[Emp. Conralius]

Darkmoor, are you going to answer my questions?

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

Quote Originally posted by Emp. Conralius:
Darkmoor, are you going to answer my questions?[/QUOTE]

Do you really *see* what i mean?



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[Emp. Conralius]

It seem like he's answering everyone else's questions but mine. Do you see my point?

[Darkmoor_Dragon]

hmm - havent played as the turks so don't know.

Ive clocked my game time on my english (early) campaign at 73 hours so far, not yet at 1400 AD.

It's a big game - i haven't seen a tenth of it yet.

[Hirosito]

sure i see. maybe it the GAs are actually more difficult to achieve and are in the game as a challenge to expert gamers unlike myself

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Hirosito Mori

Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

Quote Originally posted by Emp. Conralius:
It seem like he's answering everyone else's questions but mine. Do you see my point?[/QUOTE]


http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif I liked that one, in my face....

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[This message has been edited by Sir Kuma of The Org (edited 07-06-2002).]

[Emp. Conralius]

my bad, I didn't mean it that way Sir Kuma

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

Quote Originally posted by Emp. Conralius:
my bad, I didn't mean it that way Sir Kuma[/QUOTE]

Don't worry about it, i really did find it funny. If i can dish it out, i sure have to take it whith a smile when it hits me back on the nose http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif


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[Emp. Conralius]

much obliged Sir Kuma!

[PSYCHO]

(*group hug*)

http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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