International Paedo Ring Busted [Archive]

master of the puppets

06-18-2007, 20:55

The better version: flogging of the penis area.
...by the children and their parents.

P.S. and if anyone feels the need to suggest we are evil people for the flogging comments please feel free to post the pro-raping little kids side of the issue.

BigTex

06-18-2007, 21:14

...by the children and their parents.

P.S. and if anyone feels the need to suggest we are evil people for the flogging comments please feel free to post the pro-raping little kids side of the issue.

I'm against the whole flogging idea.

The swelling and brusing would quickly cut off most of the pain. I'm more for taking some electrodes and strapping them to their genitals.

Sick sick crime. Good thing their off the streets, or in this case the internet.

Devastatin Dave

06-18-2007, 21:17

Sick sick crime. Good thing their off the streets, or in this case the internet.
True, but for how long. The Brits, from what I understand, are not the lock 'em up and throw away the keys type.

DemonArchangel

06-18-2007, 21:48

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flagrum

By "flogging", I mean that thing. And by that thing, I mean a 9 tailed whip with embedded with bits of dirty broken glass and rock salt.

Tribesman

06-18-2007, 22:18

Tristuskhan

06-18-2007, 22:23

Isn't it funny , when someone like the Taliban go all medieval on the punishment scene they are barbarous animals , yet here we have some of the same people who call them barbarians wanting to go all medieval .

Well that's the whole difference between thirst for justice and desire for vengeance... But I heard more and more tend to make no more difference...

71-hour Ahmed

06-18-2007, 22:25

its international not just uk. and the ringleader is going to jail indefinitely i.e. life.

Whacker

06-19-2007, 00:19

its international not just uk. and the ringleader is going to jail indefinitely i.e. life.

Honestly, in cases like this where people willfully abuse children in this manner, I truly hope that they "find a new definition of pain and suffering" at the hands of the other inmates. Apparently certain types of criminals, notably sex offenders and child molesters, are viewed with contempt and disgust by their peers and quite often will be killed in jail. Different brand of "justice", but it accomplishes the goal and end these people deserve in my view.

DemonArchangel

06-19-2007, 00:21

Isn't it funny , when someone like the Taliban go all medieval on the punishment scene they are barbarous animals , yet here we have some of the same people who call them barbarians wanting to go all medieval .

Difference therein lies in the fact that although we're willing to talk the talk, most of us probably not willing to walk the walk.

Whacker

06-19-2007, 00:27

Isn't it funny , when someone like the Taliban go all medieval on the punishment scene they are barbarous animals , yet here we have some of the same people who call them barbarians wanting to go all medieval .

The difference is in better matching the punishment to the crime. Does cutting off someone's hand for petty theft or stealing sound right? Does stoning a woman to death for adultery sound right? If they do, then I pity you. Abuse of minors who are incapable of making informed, rational decisions, much less defending themselves, is a horrible crime that will most assuredly leave them scarred physically, mentally, and emotionally for the rest of their lives, and can prevent them from leading normal lives and interacting with others without fear and anxiety, even with counseling and help. If there is a hell, then there should be a special 10th ring reserved for them, right by satan's buttcrack.

AntiochusIII

06-19-2007, 01:12

I don't see what flogging will aid in this case. Except maybe the thirst for revenge...

All I care about is that they're off the streets and no longer able to harm children -- it is after all at least partially organized what's with chatrooms, kidnappers, videotaping and all -- from that viewpoint this is a job well done.

In fact the police forces' restraint and cooperation between themselves ought to be applauded. This operation wouldn't have succeeded and taken as many dangerous people off the streets if they started going medieval the moment they recognize what this ring really is.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

06-19-2007, 03:33

Does stoning a woman to death for adultery sound right?

Completely out of interest, what is your view on adultery?

Tribesman

06-19-2007, 07:19

I don't see what flogging will aid in this case. Except maybe the thirst for revenge...
Woohoo . Can you spare some pity for Whacker , he doesn't understand .:2thumbsup:

Husar

06-19-2007, 08:35

Tribesman is right, going all medieval on them is not the thing to do.

We should take a more civilized approach and have them interviewed by an Inquisitor in his torture chamber investigation room before we burn them at the stakes, surrounded by a big mob of civilised people with pitchforks.:clown:

Apart from that it's a good thing they got caught, now it's about making sure they won't do such things again. I also agree with Whacker that their crimes are horrible, but beating them into a bloody pulp is just as horrible and in the end would make us not better than them, no?

doc_bean

06-19-2007, 09:44

Not to rain on anyone's parade, it's a great thing they got caught, but these pedophilia 'rings' are quite common knowledge, I've read about them quite a bit, Belgian police is pretty concerned with pedophilia since Dutroux. They've know about the existence of such sites based primarily in the US (god bless whoever interpreted the first amendment that way...) but often nothing is done about them. I guess they the local authorities either didn't care or waited until they had enough suspects to break some sort of record. Too bad so many children suffered in the mean time :shame:

macsen rufus

06-19-2007, 10:59

Jeez, this thread makes me sick - don't you know in the UK....

it's PAEDOphilia [/ pedantry] ~D

Still, we have to remember there is a cycle of abuse. In many cases (not all) abusers were themselves once abused. Anything that helps to break that cycle has to be applauded. Although this sort of thing has gone on without the assistance of the internet for generations, if not millenia, I still feel as though we have a sick society as well as sick individuals, in the way children have been sexualised in the media and fashion (you can even buy "sexy underwear" for pre-teens these days!), and adults have been infantilised by materialism, celebrity culture, voyeurism, me-firstism etc etc. The prevalence of "reality" TV shows that we have a culture were people DO enjoy watching certain types of abusive behaviour, and I get a queasy feeling about the "hang em & flog em" advocates, with a sneaking suspicion that they're getting off on the thought of it, even when they dress it up as justice or revenge.

Of course the other question spings to mind - how many of those involved in these rings really are paedos as opposed to career criminals just doing what's profitable? Doesn't excuse it, but does probably alter what's an "appropriate" punishment.

Fragony

06-19-2007, 11:08

Should have came here, get to shred and hang out with judges.

Lorenzo_H

06-19-2007, 11:20

its international not just uk. and the ringleader is going to jail indefinitely i.e. life.
For life in Britain means about 10 years. Tragic, I know.

These paedophiles were worldwide, not just the UK, like you said. A lot of them were from the USA, too.

KukriKhan

06-19-2007, 12:48

Point taken. I've changed the thread title.

English assassin

06-19-2007, 14:24

and if anyone feels the need to suggest we are evil people for the flogging comments please feel free to post the pro-raping little kids side of the issue.

Wow. When did it become a straight choice?

As a father of little kids I can see the appeal in the flogging to death side of things. Which is why we have judges to make these decisions. Its called justice.

The ringleader has been given an indefinite sentence, with his first parole review set at 4 and a half years. He will not get parole, ever, until the board are satisfied he is no longer a danger. If that means dying in jail so be it.

Personally I would have preferred ten years before the first review, but on the basis he doesn't get out until children are safe from him I am content. Adding a flogging would not make me happier. I am glad to live in a country where flogging is not a judicial option.

I'm not exactly sorry that he will have a hard time in jail though.

Lemur

06-19-2007, 15:46

Leaving aside the punishment issue, I find myself really wondering about the children who were rescued. What does that mean, exactly? Were they removed from parents who were using them in this way? Or were some of them abductees? None of the articles give any details, and I would like to know what the score is. Are we talking about a warehouse in Mexico with a mattress and cages? Or are we talking about bad daddy and his webcam?

In the same way that Raising Arizona gets much funnier once you've had kids, pedophilia gets much worse. Which is not to imply that child abuse ever sounded like a great time, just that the thought of it raises hackles you never knew you had.

Whacker

06-19-2007, 16:50

Completely out of interest, what is your view on adultery?

Separate topic entirely, but suffice to say "It's bad mkay?" There's always circumstances (such as abuse) that may provide varying forms of mitigation.

Woohoo . Can you spare some pity for Whacker , he doesn't understand .:2thumbsup:

I appreciate the pity, and bow to your infinitely superior condescendingly dispensed wisdom. :bow: Perhaps someday I might hope to understand.

Husar

06-19-2007, 17:48

Leaving aside the punishment issue, I find myself really wondering about the children who were rescued. What does that mean, exactly? Were they removed from parents who were using them in this way? Or were some of them abductees? None of the articles give any details, and I would like to know what the score is. Are we talking about a warehouse in Mexico with a mattress and cages? Or are we talking about bad daddy and his webcam?
I've been wondering that as well. We may want to think about how those children can be helped or how such things can be prevented in the future instead of caring about the fate of the offenders, though some of it is probably interchangeable.

Devastatin Dave

06-19-2007, 18:08

I appreciate the pity, and bow to your infinitely superior condescendingly dispensed wisdom. :bow: Perhaps someday I might hope to understand.

:flowers:

Samurai Waki

06-19-2007, 18:23

As a father to my two little girls if anything of this nature were to happen to them... The Justice System may give the perps mercy because I won't. 'Nuff Said.

Odin

06-19-2007, 18:35

I appreciate the pity, and bow to your infinitely superior condescendingly dispensed wisdom. :bow: Perhaps someday I might hope to understand.

:flowers:

This subject has the potential to be very emotional for some, its important to temper emotions with due process before proclaiming an absolute judgement. While that might not be fashionable, popular, or emotionally charged you owe it to yourself as a thoughtful intelligent person to consider it.

Whacker

06-19-2007, 20:10

As a father to my two little girls if anything of this nature were to happen to them... The Justice System may give the perps mercy because I won't. 'Nuff Said.

As a too-be-not-too-distant-in-the-future father, this is exactly where I am coming from.

This subject has the potential to be very emotional for some, its important to temper emotions with due process before proclaiming an absolute judgement. While that might not be fashionable, popular, or emotionally charged you owe it to yourself as a thoughtful intelligent person to consider it.

I do appreciate your sentiment sir. As to your point, that is certainly fair, my intent wasn't to assume guilt for all involved. I guess my point is that for those who ARE guilty of child molestation, there's really nothing that can mitigate the fact that in my mind those people deserve nothing other than the worst punishment possible.

Tribesman

06-19-2007, 22:18

:flowers:

This subject has the potential to be very emotional for some
Bloody hell .......some glimmer of clarity , is that the same person writing or are they able to magically disconnect thoughts and come out with rubbish .

For life in Britain means about 10 years. Tragic, I know.

Lorenzo ....not under the terms of that particular detention , it is not a life sentance so t is not 10 years , not that a life sentance =10 years anyway , but don't let facts get in your way .

:flowers:

Ice

06-19-2007, 22:28

Clearly another one that doesn't understand , rather sad really , but that is shallow minded people for ya ....well done .The thirst for vengeance and spectacle , can you bring the knitting or shall I open a wool shop for you and your ilk ?

Bloody hell .......some glimmer of clarity , is that the same person writing or are they able to magically disconnect thoughts and come out with rubbish .

Lorenzo ....not under the terms of that particular detention , it is not a life sentance so t is not 10 years , not that a life sentance =10 years anyway , but don't let facts get in your way .

:flowers:

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Lemur

06-19-2007, 22:50

Before this thread gets locked for personal attacks, I just want to make a request -- if anybody runs across any info about who the kids involved are, and what their conditions were, please post a link. It's stupid, I know, but I would feel much better if I knew what happened to them and how they're doing.

Odin

06-19-2007, 23:26

:flowers:

Its clear that since your a left leaning member you most likely will be able to get away with a personal attack. You quoted me, then made this comment, its offensive, I am not shallow minded.

My advice to Whacker is very simple, try to understand someone who uses arrogant insulting rhetoric as part of thier presentation isnt worth his time. He is an intelligent poster, and very thoughtful at times, albeit sometimes his dander gets the best of him.

You Tribesman often make great points, sadly a lot of it is lost in your presentation.

Thankfully I have sufficently lowered my expectations of your posts and thier content to simply skip to the next one.

:medievalcheers:

Tribesman

06-19-2007, 23:44

Its clear that since your a left leaning member you most likely will be able to get away with a personal attack.
Is that a personal attack on the moderators of this forum ?
I think the absence of my sig would show that assumption to be false .
Its funny though , the reference to knitting and the the wool shop , those were left leaning people were they not :idea2: liked a bit of spectacle so they did .....show trials , another nice spectacle ...though of course not restricted to what you call left

You Tribesman often make great points, sadly a lot of it is lost in your presentation.
Ain't that a bugger :2thumbsup:
Though of course one must look beyond the presentation to see the content , failure to do so would be rather shallow wouldn't you say ?
Or was it me that said that .:logic:

Husar

06-20-2007, 00:12

I agree with tribesman, the presentation is just the hull, you don't want to eat the hull, you want to eat what's inside, if you know what I mean.

Though I won't judge on the topic of insults, I leave that to the moderators.

Tribesman

06-20-2007, 00:47

:flowers:

Papewaio

06-20-2007, 02:12

Okay I have tried to edit out the worst of the bickering on both sides. Try and play nicely and stop the personal attacks.

Dave and Tribes if you aren't too embarrassed by them, could you post your current warning points... it might be a surprise to some on this board.
Both of you should be ashamed of the way you are acting, both of you are far more intelligent and should not be debasing yourselves continually from thread to thread.

Any more personal attacks and the thread will be closed and the flowers will metamorphise into warning points so you can consider the flowers mapplethorpe masterpieces in waiting. :2thumbsup:

Tribesman

06-20-2007, 02:37

Come on Pape .
You could have left the 6 important words that completely sum up the topic, there was nothing at all insulting there .
Though it appears that some either cannot spot them or cannot comprehend them .
Its typical when there is an emotionally charged issue , a lack of clear thought and a knee jerk reaction are almost guaranteed .

master of the puppets

06-20-2007, 05:31

Isn't it funny , when someone like the Taliban go all medieval on the punishment scene they are barbarous animals , yet here we have some of the same people who call them barbarians wanting to go all medieval .

please tribesman, have no misconceptions... i am a barbarian and will at times advocate a brutal and if not neccesary at least fitting punishment. Unfortunatly our American laws for dealing with pedohiles are shamefully lax, usually just a few years then back on the street again and committing the same crimes.
And there in lies the problem, it is their (flawed) nature. It must be as driving a force to them as sex with a mature partner is to the rest of us. And because of this there are few good ways of ... curing(?) them. if suddenly intercourse were illegal how long do you think you'd last?

so shall we call it a disease requiring a cure and thus open up another battle over homosexuality, or should we kill them? lock them up? I was rash in saying that flogging was neccesary but something more needs to be done to show them this behavior is unacceptable, and as current history has shown imprisonment is failing in the 'rehabilitation' part.

Master of the Puppets-

Tribesman

06-20-2007, 07:32

so shall we call it a disease requiring a cure and thus open up another battle over homosexuality

?????????what has homosexuality got to do with chid sex abuse?

Fragony

06-20-2007, 09:32

?????????what has homosexuality got to do with chid sex abuse?

A lot, most victims are boys after all.

Anyways, some high ranking dutch officials are in it, and I am so very surprised that most are from the legal system that consequently excuses perverts for teaching little boys about the enwidement.

this guy.

http://www.quotenet.nl/2004/10/13/316tonino.jpg

We all know it, but as always, nothing happens and he is still working.

doc_bean

06-20-2007, 10:31

We all know it, but as always, nothing happens and he is still working.

Seriously, at least a host of a kids show on public television who was caught browsing pedophilia sites was fired. (unrelated to this case).

If that guy really was involved I doubt even you Dutchies wouldn't do at least *something*.

Then again, you've been mostly spared from the pedophiles haven't you ? At least I don't remember hearing much about Dutch pedophile networks. I hope this isn't becasue they just don't get noticed :cry:

Fragony

06-20-2007, 10:39

If that guy really was involved I doubt even you Dutchies wouldn't do at least *something*.

Yeah, he got promoted. If you ask me, I think 90% of the judges are pedophiles and activists. Otherwise I really have no idea why they allow these people to do what they do, must be the change muss sein doesn't matter as long as something changes, or the above.

Banquo's Ghost

06-20-2007, 11:13

A lot, most victims are boys after all.

Completely contrary to all surveys I have seen.

The vast majority of sexual abuse of children happens to young girls and within the family. If you include trafficking of children for sexual abuse, this is even more weighted towards females.

The idea of the homosexual stranger soliciting little boys is outdated and dangerous (of course it happens, but at a very low level compared to familial abuse). Most of the images these perverts traded will have been taken by the entirely heterosexual uncles and fathers of the victims, and most will not get caught. This is the real tragedy, and sexual exploitation of children will never be properly solved until we get our heads round this deeply disturbing fact.

Fragony

06-20-2007, 15:42

Maybe you are right, but 9 out of 10 times I hear about these things it involves little boys. I am also kinda repeating what a gay friend of mine told me, he insists that homosexuality and paedostuff are very closely related, and he is pretty into the gayscene in Amsterdam. Great guy, and I can claim that I have slept with a homosexual. No, not like that but if there is only one bed available and you have to sleep :beam:

Devastatin Dave

06-20-2007, 15:51

master of the puppets

06-21-2007, 00:48

uh...~:confused: a good point about the majority being little boys but not the one i was implying.

what i was trying to say is that if we were to say get a lawyer to say he molested a little kid because it was natural malfunction, another might say he ought to be convicted because it was a choice rather than instinct. Choice or Nature, it's the same argument that some people make about homosexuality and it is being used now in attempting to find a cause for this abuse.

no worrys gay people i don't think your ALL pedophiles ~:thumb: