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Major Robert Dump
06-19-2007, 08:23
She knighted Rushdie.
I have a newfound respect for Her Majesty. All of you people in the U.K. should send her flowers, or a baked ham, or a giant shiny dildo or some other wonderful gift
Savages will always get violent when they don't get their way. Let the comedic riots ensue!!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article1951462.ece
Finally, we of the West really shouldn't give a rats about what the Middle East think. If they are offended who cares, they should keep to them selves in their own region of the world.
doc_bean
06-19-2007, 09:37
Good move.
Banquo's Ghost
06-19-2007, 09:58
Just for accuracy's sake, Her Majesty doesn't choose who gets an honour any more. The process is overseen by an Honours Committee (http://www.honours.gov.uk/nominate/committees.aspx) and then the choices are submitted by the Prime Minister (after checking how much has been deposited by the candidate in the Labour Party coffers).
The Queen only gets to do the pinning on and waving of swords.
On the award to Sir Salman, it's about time. He is an excellent novelist. It is saddening however, that mainstream self-appointed spokesmen for the Muslim community like Lord Ahmed have reinforced the stereotype of Islamic intolerance by condemning the award.
One expects oddballs like the Pakistani Religious Affairs Minister (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article2675741.ece)to make fools of themselves, but Lord Ahmed is doing his community a severe disservice.
Ignoramus
06-19-2007, 10:07
One wonders what the Queen does independently anymore. It is sad to lower the monarchy to such a low state.
InsaneApache
06-19-2007, 10:08
I read The Satanic Verses when it first came out, living in Bradford you would, wouldn't you? I got about 4 chapters in and put it down, never to be opened again.
Still I least I gave it a stab, unlike the protesters who have not even seen a copy, never mind read one.
All this furore reminds me of the national viewers and listeners association who campaigned to get The life of Brian banned. They hadn't seen the film, but they thought it should be withdrawn from circulation. :dizzy2:
As to the knighthood, my cheque to Tony must have got lost in the post! :laugh4:
Very good thing. Every country should be proud of honouring this man.
Duke Malcolm
06-19-2007, 10:40
The Queen still appoints Knights and Ladies of the Orders of the Garter and the Thistle. And the Order of Merit.
Great and all but he is one of the most overrated writers ever. Shalimar the clown was ok but god learn how to write a decent line, but the satanic verses actually deserved no less then a fatwa because it was terrible terrible terrible, and what was it called 'anger', poorest ripoff of sartres naussia ever. But, kudo's for her majesty, god shave the queen will have to wait I guess.
English assassin
06-19-2007, 11:15
Top stuff from Brenda there. And BTW Salman's wife is a real hottie, just saying.
a government minister in Pakistan said yesterday that Rushdie’s recent knighthood justified suicide bombing
Boy oh boy, I'm glad these guys are on our side :inquisitive:
Following on from the gay bomb, do you think there is any chance we could develop a sense-of-perspective bomb? Because I would be COMPLETELY in favour of pre-emptive strikes if so. Especially if we coupled it with "For god's sake get over it" gas.
Lorenzo_H
06-19-2007, 11:21
The Queen really has little say over who gets knighted; she just waves the sword and says "arise."
Banquo's Ghost
06-19-2007, 12:14
The Queen still appoints Knights and Ladies of the Orders of the Garter and the Thistle. And the Order of Merit.
You are right, of course.
And perhaps congratulations are in order for Sir Timothy Berners-Lee KBE OM on the occasion of his admission to this most exclusive of honours. :2thumbsup:
I'm not sure why the media continues to give column space to "Islamic fringe groups". If they are fringe groups who cares what they have to say - quoting them in a national newspaper only makes them feel more important than they are.
Banquo's Ghost
06-19-2007, 13:42
I'm not sure why the media continues to give column space to "Islamic fringe groups". If they are fringe groups who cares what they have to say - quoting them in a national newspaper only makes them feel more important than they are.
The problem being that Lord Ahmed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazir_Ahmed,_Baron_Ahmed) is not a member of a fringe group, but the House of Lords. He is the first muslim peer in that house, and thus can be seen as a mainstream representative.
When a supposedly mainstream figure condemns the principles of free speech that he is supposed to uphold as a peer, it tends to confirm prejudices - which saddens me.
Papewaio
06-19-2007, 13:51
One wonders what the Queen does independently anymore. It is sad to lower the monarchy to such a low state.
Monarchs have always been rather more Duty bound then free reign...
English assassin
06-19-2007, 14:15
When a supposedly mainstream figure condemns the principles of free speech that he is supposed to uphold as a peer, it tends to confirm prejudices - which saddens me.
I've been thinking about this, and I think what we need is to annoy muslims* a lot more. There they are out their on a protest about Salman and burning the union jack when, wham, Paris Match publishes an unfunny cartoon about the prophet. Insult ! Just as they have gone home to get their tricoleurs to burn, and are on the way back to the demo, bam, a story breaks that a farmer in Bavaria has named his pig Mohammed. Blasphemer !! Then, when they are reeling from this, Pow, news just in, a library in New York has filed the Torah on a higher shelf than the Koran. Infidels !!! Biff, local rock radio in Ohio plays a track from Crusader by Saxon. Godless heathen !!!!
I'm thinking that at some point outrage fatigue has to set in, surely.
*all references to muslims in this post are to be taken to be to nutty easy to annoy muslims and not nice peaceful muslims.
I've been thinking about this, and I think what we need is to annoy muslims* a lot more. There they are out their on a protest about Salman and burning the union jack when, wham, Paris Match publishes an unfunny cartoon about the prophet. Insult ! Just as they have gone home to get their tricoleurs to burn, and are on the way back to the demo, bam, a story breaks that a farmer in Bavaria has named his pig Mohammed. Blasphemer !! Then, when they are reeling from this, Pow, news just in, a library in New York has filed the Torah on a higher shelf than the Koran. Infidels !!! Biff, local rock radio in Ohio plays a track from Crusader by Saxon. Godless heathen !!!!
I'm thinking that at some point outrage fatigue has to set in, surely.
*all references to muslims in this post are to be taken to be to nutty easy to annoy muslims and not nice peaceful muslims.
Good idea, but it may be unfair for the Bavarian pig that has nothing to do in this mess and would prefere to remain neutral and for the Ohio listeners that would have to support a saxon track.
But it must be possible to limit those measures to news agencie's dépêches to reach the same result so it that is not necessary to put in danger a honnest pig's life or innocent ears well being.
HoreTore
06-19-2007, 15:49
I agree completely with Fragony. Unless he's knighted because of shock value, it's not deserved IMO. I've read 2 of his books, after the first one I simply thought hey, this must have been a bad period for him. After the second one, I decided that the period must have spanned his entire career.
I agree completely with Fragony. Unless he's knighted because of shock value, it's not deserved IMO. I've read 2 of his books, after the first one I simply thought hey, this must have been a bad period for him. After the second one, I decided that the period must have spanned his entire career.
I agree with both you and fragony which is alarming to me and has replaced 2-3 cups of coffee I might have had this afternoon.
He's a shoddy author at best, dont see this honor being given on his ability as a writer, perhaps his courage to take on the subject?
Samurai Waki
06-19-2007, 18:28
Top stuff from Brenda there. And BTW Salman's wife is a real hottie, just saying.
Boy oh boy, I'm glad these guys are on our side :inquisitive:
Following on from the gay bomb, do you think there is any chance we could develop a sense-of-perspective bomb? Because I would be COMPLETELY in favour of pre-emptive strikes if so. Especially if we coupled it with "For god's sake get over it" gas.
Well, then every town in the middle east would be like San Francisco, and I don't know if thats a step in the right direction...
Well, then every town in the middle east would be like San Francisco, and I don't know if thats a step in the right direction...
:7jester:
I dont think that was meant to be funny, but I lol, thanks !
Devastatin Dave
06-19-2007, 20:25
Muslims offended? Say it isn't so...:juggle2:
The best part is that you can't even talk about the "Prophet's" life without being censored (including our little Backroom safe haven for the homicidally inclined religion) from anyone within earshot.
I say we should do everything possible to insult the sensibilities of muslims, christians, jews, hindus, and buddists.
That's why I've created the "Big Mac on a Pig's sack" served on the Sabbath. It will be garnished with parts of aborted fetuses and rotted lotus pedals. I plan on setting up my stand somewhere in San Fransisco. The burger will be sold for $15 and wrapped in paper torn out from your choice of the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, or Mein Kompf. I'm gonna make a killin (Allah willing)!!!! :2thumbsup:
Or we could just ignore the whole wailing and gnashing of teeth of the easily offendable all across the world. I'm tired of all of them.:juggle2:
Muslims offended? Say it isn't so...:juggle2:
The best part is that you can't even talk about the "Prophet's" life without being censored (including our little Backroom safe haven for the homicidally inclined religion) from anyone within earshot.
I say we should do everything possible to insult the sensibilities of muslims, christians, jews, hindus, and buddists.
That's why I've created the "Big Mac on a Pig's sack" served on the Sabbath. It will be garnished with parts of aborted fetuses and rotted lotus pedals. I plan on setting up my stand somewhere in San Fransisco. The burger will be sold for $15 and wrapped in paper torn out from your choice of the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, or Mein Kompf. I'm gonna make a killin (Allah willing)!!!! :2thumbsup:
Or we could just ignore the whole wailing and gnashing of teeth of the easily offendable all across the world. I'm tired of all of them.:juggle2:
Can you include napkins with the UN flag to wipe our mouths with ?
Really dave I find your posts entertaining for the most part and I see the tongue and cheek of it, just remember to put the cap back on the gas can after you step back from the flames.
Reverend Joe
06-19-2007, 20:32
That's why I've created the "Big Mac on a Pig's sack" served on the Sabbath. It will be garnished with parts of aborted fetuses and rotted lotus pedals. I plan on setting up my stand somewhere in San Fransisco. The burger will be sold for $15 and wrapped in paper torn out from your choice of the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, or Mein Kompf. I'm gonna make a killin (Allah willing)!!!! :2thumbsup:
:inquisitive: Eew. Granted, I support your cause, but... eew. Who wants to eat rotted lotus petals?
What is that a reference to, anyway?
ShadesPanther
06-19-2007, 20:58
Following on from the gay bomb, do you think there is any chance we could develop a sense-of-perspective bomb? Because I would be COMPLETELY in favour of pre-emptive strikes if so. Especially if we coupled it with "For god's sake get over it" gas.
Well we could get a Point-of-view gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_of_view_gun)
I agree completely with Fragony. Unless he's knighted because of shock value, it's not deserved IMO. I've read 2 of his books, after the first one I simply thought hey, this must have been a bad period for him. After the second one, I decided that the period must have spanned his entire career.
Well that's what happens when mediocrity ruffles the wrong feathers... instant celebrity. Had Ayatollah Khomenei not caused a furor over Rushdie's "The Satanic Verses" poor old Salman would have wound up a struggling author who would have been forced to teach literature to college students to pay the bills. Rushdie's blasphemous book propelled him into the limelight and swelled his bank account to aristocratic proportions.
More importantly, without his literary infamy Salman would not have been able to land that fine, swarthy comestible he now calls his wife... Padma Lakshmi... Mmmmmm.:yes:
Crazed Rabbit
06-20-2007, 02:02
She knighted Rushdie.
I have a newfound respect for Her Majesty. All of you people in the U.K. should send her flowers, or a baked ham, or a giant shiny dildo or some other wonderful gift
Savages will always get violent when they don't get their way. Let the comedic riots ensue!!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article1951462.ece
Huzzah!
I also support EA's plan.
CR
Muslims offended? Say it isn't so...:juggle2:
The best part is that you can't even talk about the "Prophet's" life without being censored (including our little Backroom safe haven for the homicidally inclined religion) from anyone within earshot.
I say we should do everything possible to insult the sensibilities of muslims, christians, jews, hindus, and buddists.
That's why I've created the "Big Mac on a Pig's sack" served on the Sabbath. It will be garnished with parts of aborted fetuses and rotted lotus pedals. I plan on setting up my stand somewhere in San Fransisco. The burger will be sold for $15 and wrapped in paper torn out from your choice of the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, or Mein Kompf. I'm gonna make a killin (Allah willing)!!!! :2thumbsup:
Or we could just ignore the whole wailing and gnashing of teeth of the easily offendable all across the world. I'm tired of all of them.:juggle2:
Listening to an anti-religious zealot can be as tiresome as listening to someone drone on about their GoD.
It will be garnished with parts of aborted fetuses and rotted lotus pedals.
You think thats funny?
had alot of abortions have you Dave?
or miscarridges?
I find your sense of humor a little sickening actually
what other perversions you got floating around in that sewer you've annexed for a brain Dave - please dont stop now - prove to everyone what a hero and top bloke you are. Its illuminating to know what side of the mental health fence some Org members are coming from.
Devastatin Dave
06-20-2007, 03:47
Listening to an anti-religious zealot can be as tiresome as listening to someone drone on about their GoD.
You think thats funny?
had alot of abortions have you Dave?
or miscarridges?
I find your sense of humor a little sickening actually
what other perversions you got floating around in that sewer you've annexed for a brain Dave - please dont stop now - prove to everyone what a hero and top bloke you are. Its illuminating to know what side of the mental health fence some Org members are coming from.
It was meant to be as offensive as possible in order to bring about the point that everyone is eqaul to be ridiculed and have no right to defend their theology with violence. I'm sick of it all, including my own faith and the dogmas in which we are enslaved and have to die for. My wife had a miscarraige and no it wasn't funny. Abortion is not funny either but I'm sick of it being the main issue for those that vote. I'm tired of my Church and leaders of other faiths telling their people what to do when its not even in their chosen religious text. I'm fed up the fawtwas and the Jihads and the crusades against this that and the other thing. I'm just simply sick to death of everyone being offended by everything that I just want to rip my brain out of my skull and wash it with AJAX. Damn it!!! You're right, I've jumped the fence but I don't care. Please forgive me and I'll send you a coupon for my latest burger.
It was meant to be as offensive as possible in order to bring about the point that everyone is eqaul to be ridiculed and have no right to defend their theology with violence. I'm sick of it all, including my own faith and the dogmas in which we are enslaved and have to die for. My wife had a miscarraige and no it wasn't funny. Abortion is not funny either but I'm sick of it being the main issue for those that vote. I'm tired of my Church and leaders of other faiths telling their people what to do when its not even in their chosen religious text. I'm fed up the fawtwas and the Jihads and the crusades against this that and the other thing. I'm just simply sick to death of everyone being offended by everything that I just want to rip my brain out of my skull and wash it with AJAX. Damn it!!! You're right, I've jumped the fence but I don't care. Please forgive me and I'll send you a coupon for my latest burger.
I also sometimes make deliberately outrageous statements to highlight what I feel is human absurdity. I had a feeling thats what you driving at, I just found that bit of it pushed me to react and say no I wont just allow that to sit there as some frivilous throw away remark (which was your intent).
On forums sometimes you have 'pull the punch' a little because the audience can be varied or young.
sorry that you had to experience that - it can test the best relationships
I agree Im fed up with the BS because people want to deliberately delude themselves and then try and force it down the throat of every man woman and child - I guess because it suits them to make women second class, or think that everyone else is going to burn in hell or wtf ever. I guess they feel if they cant drink, have sex, or live then why should everyone else get to live normal lives and not be punished. I feel sorry for them mostly - to have not lived your life the way you wanted because some book told you not to, pity worthy imo.
Having said that tho, neither do I want the biggoted closed mind individals of this world to use this as their excuse to go around demonising or abusing people by generalising about peoples beliefs (i dont believe it but if they dont interfere with me - then they should be free to live without fear). People dont like it when I generalise about Americans based on US policy (rightly so).
In short I accept your apology and bear no grudge - but we as men must recognise there are some lines of decency and respect which should not be crossed, even to highlight outrageous absurdity.
Your right the world has become super sensitive to words
Devastatin Dave
06-20-2007, 06:10
I also sometimes make deliberately outrageous statements to highlight what I feel is human absurdity. I had a feeling thats what you driving at, I just found that bit of it pushed me to react and say no I wont just allow that to sit there as some frivilous throw away remark (which was your intent).
On forums sometimes you have 'pull the punch' a little because the audience can be varied or young.
sorry that you had to experience that - it can test the best relationships
I agree Im fed up with the BS because people want to deliberately delude themselves and then try and force it down the throat of every man woman and child - I guess because it suits them to make women second class, or think that everyone else is going to burn in hell or wtf ever. I guess they feel if they cant drink, have sex, or live then why should everyone else get to live normal lives and not be punished. I feel sorry for them mostly - to have not lived your life the way you wanted because some book told you not to, pity worthy imo.
Having said that tho, neither do I want the biggoted closed mind individals of this world to use this as their excuse to go around demonising or abusing people by generalising about peoples beliefs (i dont believe it but if they dont interfere with me - then they should be free to live without fear). People dont like it when I generalise about Americans based on US policy (rightly so).
In short I accept your apology and bear no grudge - but we as men must recognise there are some lines of decency and respect which should not be crossed, even to highlight outrageous absurdity.
Your right the world has become super sensitive to words
Wise words and thank you...
What can i say, I've lost my faith. My beliefs long held have been discovered false and now I'm broken. To exist is all there truelly is. I won't go into detail but I had several experiences this week that have truelly opened my eyes and my brain.
I think the Queen should knight a ham sandwitch.
Strike For The South
06-20-2007, 07:31
Wise words and thank you...
What can i say, I've lost my faith. My beliefs long held have been discovered false and now I'm broken. To exist is all there truelly is. I won't go into detail but I had several experiences this week that have truelly opened my eyes and my brain.
I think the Queen should knight a ham sandwitch.
So you no longer a card carrying southern baptisit? Am I the only one now? I can promote Texas or the baptists but not both!
Banquo's Ghost
06-20-2007, 11:26
I agree completely with Fragony. Unless he's knighted because of shock value, it's not deserved IMO. I've read 2 of his books, after the first one I simply thought hey, this must have been a bad period for him. After the second one, I decided that the period must have spanned his entire career.
I think those of you who criticise his work as poor are being somewhat harsh.
Sir Salman was widely recognised as an important British talent before the publication of The Satanic Verses, his fourth book. His reputation was only confirmed by it, not made by it. He was a major leader in the development of Asian-British literature. He has, IMO, never achieved greatness (though Midnight's Children is close) but most serious critics would not deny his place in the firmament.
Whether you like his books or not is a matter of opinion, as is whether he deserves a knighthood over other authors. As literary efforts go, his work has much to commend it, and to call him a shoddy writer is, I think, unfair.
InsaneApache
06-20-2007, 11:37
As I stated earlier, reading the Satanic Verses was like wading, thigh deep, through mud.
I don't only read to gain information, I like to read for fun, Whichever way you put it, reading Salman is not fun.
The committee that recommended Salman Rushdie for a knighthood did not discuss any possible political ramifications and never imagined that the award would provoke the furious response that it has done in parts of the Muslim world, the Guardian has learnt.
http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,,2106966,00.html
If these are the guys who decide who gets a gong or not, then they must be a bit thick. :thumbsdown:
Devastatin Dave
06-20-2007, 14:33
So you no longer a card carrying southern baptisit? Am I the only one now? I can promote Texas or the baptists but not both!
You are correct. 2 weeks ago the Mormans stopped by. I invited them back this last weekend to discuss out beliefs. I question them about the mark of Kane, polygemy, God liveing on a planet, and of course the whole gold plates thing. But during our conversation the thoughts of "how many angels can fit on a pin point", the earth being created in 7 days, blood atonement, virgin birth, and so forth. Guess what... I was just as nutty as him!!! Then I reflected back to my Islamic studies. I don't want to be a anti religious zealot, but the only truths I truelly know is we're born, we live, then we die regardless of what thoughts and moralities we bind ourselves to in the shirt years we have on this earth. I'm not going to talk to the wife about it, I'm not going to bring it up with my fellow church members, I'm just going to exist like everyone else that's waiting in line to be thrown in the dirt. I know one thing, I'm going to get plastered this weekend. Amen.
Midnight's Children
Was good, burn the rest.
Papewaio
06-20-2007, 14:39
You are correct. 2 weeks ago the Mormans stopped by. I invited them back this last weekend to discuss out beliefs. I question them about the mark of Kane, polygemy, God liveing on a planet, and of course the whole gold plates thing. But during our conversation the thoughts of "how many angels can fit on a pin point", the earth being created in 7 days, blood atonement, virgin birth, and so forth. Guess what... I was just as nutty as him!!! Then I reflected back to my Islamic studies. I don't want to be a anti religious zealot, but the only truths I truelly know is we're born, we live, then we die regardless of what thoughts and moralities we bind ourselves to in the shirt years we have on this earth. I'm not going to talk to the wife about it, I'm not going to bring it up with my fellow church members, I'm just going to exist like everyone else that's waiting in line to be thrown in the dirt. I know one thing, I'm going to get plastered this weekend. Amen.
Mormons... gees the way you came across I thought a family member had died. :sweatdrop: ... gave me a fright.
Anyhow its 11:30pm and I'm off home.
Devastatin Dave
06-20-2007, 14:46
Nothing against the Mormans. Atleast the guy I was talking to had found his path. it was a good conversation but I disovered sometimes its better to be the lamb than it is the wolf.
Back to the topic. The Queen should knight whoever she (or her people tell her too) wants. And when these jackasses are burning her in efigee Muhammed in efigee. Lets just get all outraged at each other, we'll have a Crusade, they can have their Jihad and we can rid this world of our destrucive presence.
Banquo's Ghost
06-20-2007, 14:49
I don't want to be a anti religious zealot, but the only truths I truelly know is we're born, we live, then we die regardless of what thoughts and moralities we bind ourselves to in the shirt years we have on this earth. I'm not going to talk to the wife about it, I'm not going to bring it up with my fellow church members, I'm just going to exist like everyone else that's waiting in line to be thrown in the dirt. I know one thing, I'm going to get plastered this weekend. Amen.
Dave, old chap, it sounds like you're at the stage of life when reading Camus' The Myth of Sisyphus would be an uplifting experience.
I know he was a leftist Frenchman, but trust me, the essay is extraordinary for re-informing faith - short of revelation, of course.
HoreTore
06-20-2007, 14:53
I think those of you who criticise his work as poor are being somewhat harsh.
Sir Salman was widely recognised as an important British talent before the publication of The Satanic Verses, his fourth book. His reputation was only confirmed by it, not made by it. He was a major leader in the development of Asian-British literature. He has, IMO, never achieved greatness (though Midnight's Children is close) but most serious critics would not deny his place in the firmament.
Whether you like his books or not is a matter of opinion, as is whether he deserves a knighthood over other authors. As literary efforts go, his work has much to commend it, and to call him a shoddy writer is, I think, unfair.
Well, I did point out that it was in my own opinion. I haven't read the satanic verses, I read the two before that one. I didn't like his style, I didn't like the plot and I didn't like the characters. In short, those books had nothing in them I liked. So, to me, he's a terrible writer. Other people may disagree as they like, but I won't rate him any higher than "terrible" whatever other people say.
But then again, I generally don't like anything written after 1920 or so...
if the hairier elements of pakistan consider the UK to be tainted, then they can give back every last tainted penny of aid they have had in recent years. and get stuffed.
HoreTore
06-20-2007, 17:30
if the hairier elements of pakistan consider the UK to be tainted, then they can give back every last tainted penny of aid they have had in recent years. and get stuffed.
Hmm... Why should the opinions of a small group affect a bigger group who disagrees with them?
Hmm... Why should the opinions of a small group affect a bigger group who disagrees with them?
You kidding? :inquisitive:
HoreTore
06-20-2007, 18:12
You kidding? :inquisitive:
You think the entire nation of Pakistan cares about what an old hag in england does? I think you're overestimating her...
I haven't seen any numbers from those demonstrations indicating that there is a significant number of pakistanis who wants the queen and the uk dead.
It isn't exactly the 'small' group that wants sir Salman dead, how about all but a few.
InsaneApache
06-20-2007, 18:18
Given that there are more Pakistanis who have relatives in the UK, than there are those that don't. I'm not surprised.
HoreTore
06-20-2007, 18:38
It isn't exactly the 'small' group that wants sir Salman dead, how about all but a few.
You wouldn't happen to have a source backing that statement up?
You wouldn't happen to have a source backing that statement up?
Just as sweeping an assumption as assuming that it's just a small group now isn't it. How about the other way around, why not back up your claim. Excusers are on the defending team nowadays.
HoreTore
06-20-2007, 18:53
Just as sweeping an assumption as assuming that it's just a small group now isn't it. How about the other way around, why not back up your claim. Excusers are on the defending team nowadays.
Well, I've seen a handful of priests and a minister talking about attacking him. What have you seen?
EDIT: oh, and the students of a Quran school burning the flag. So that makes what, 5-600?
Well, I've seen a handful of priests and a minister talking about attacking him. What have you seen?
What they showed me, just like you. Don't want to derail the thread but outrage from the muslimlands isn't exactly something we haven't heard of before. A minister no less huh, unwise.... must have a very big crowd to please.
HoreTore
06-20-2007, 19:04
What they showed me, just like you. Don't want to derail the thread but outrage from the muslimlands isn't exactly something we haven't heard of before. A minister no less huh, unwise.... must have a very big crowd to please.
It's just as likely that the minister in question was an idiot, as ministers commonly are when talking to the press. You'd rate Iran as a more fanatical and aggressive state, right? Well, their ministers have called it a sign of islamophobia in the UK upper class. Nothing else. So I'd say that looks like a small group wanting him dead.
I'm not saying that only a small group hates him, just that a small group is fanatical in their hatred.
Many idiots must have wanted that idiot to become minister, they don't roll from the assemblyline into office. Some would disagree but hey. Pretty naive to think that most muslims don't want his head, or at least apreciate him being butchered. I am sure there is a poll somewhere under the carpet, we have loads of them here.
HoreTore
06-20-2007, 19:15
Many idiots must have wanted that idiot to become minister, they don't roll from the assemblyline into office. Some would disagree but hey. Pretty naive to think that most muslims don't want his head, or at least apreciate him being butchered. I am sure there is a poll somewhere under the carpet, we have loads of them here.
Yes, the majority in our countries usually have the same opinion as our politicians...
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Our country's aren't islamic. Look, even in Brittain where he gets to write his crap 66% of the muslims want the sharia, it is what it is. According to sharia law he should be even shorter by now (not 100% sure about this, what I was told)Now I should add that they added 'within brittish law' for convenience.
HoreTore
06-20-2007, 19:29
Our country's aren't islamic. Look, even in Brittain where he gets to write his crap 66% of the muslims want the sharia, it is what it is. According to sharia law he should be even shorter by now (not 100% sure about this, what I was told)Now I should add that they added 'within brittish law' for convenience.
You do know that sharia means a lot more than "stone the adulterer", right? It isn't possible that they want sharia for the good parts, it has to be because of the bad parts?
Seamus Fermanagh
06-20-2007, 19:31
As I stated earlier, reading the Satanic Verses was like wading, thigh deep, through mud.
Much the same reaction I have when reading Doestoevsky (admittedly in translation, but others assure me its more soporific and depressing in the original) or most of the works of Dickens. Others bubble on about their amazing qualities and themes while I just sit there thinking....what dreck.
Perhaps, as US citizen, it is a sign of my inherently barbarous nature...
:cheesy:
You do know that sharia means a lot more than "stone the adulterer", right? It isn't possible that they want sharia for the good parts, it has to be because of the bad parts?
Well I am sure there is a vision of a better world somewhere in all that, can't just be pretty evil right, that would be way to simplistic.
ShadesPanther
06-20-2007, 20:59
Perhaps, as US citizen, it is a sign of my inherently barbarous nature...
It is.
I'm only sleggin' :laugh4:
I tried to read a few of his works and i find them quite hard going and i never really finished them.
InsaneApache
06-20-2007, 22:00
Much the same reaction I have when reading Doestoevsky (admittedly in translation, but others assure me its more soporific and depressing in the original) or most of the works of Dickens. Others bubble on about their amazing qualities and themes while I just sit there thinking....what dreck.
Perhaps, as US citizen, it is a sign of my inherently barbarous nature...
:cheesy:
No mate, it's not just you and I. Put liberal and pompous/hubristic/prick together and guess what? Not a :daisy: bit of talent in the lot of them.
What was it that Warhol said?
"Art is what you can get away with".
Sums it up in my view.
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