Muslim battle speeches...

[rvg]

I find them rather lacking. Just a bunch of one-liners and a stark contrast to non-Muslim factions whose speeches have been done absolutely brilliantly.

"Just look at those goat-fondling arse-monkeys! Do they deserve to live?..."

lol.

I'm sure CA can bring muslim speeches on par with non-muslim ones.

[Mithradates]

True it is dissapointing i feel it was just a time issue however the muslim nations seem to lack a bit of character.

[atheotes]

Even among the non-muslim factions only the starting ones get good speeches... rest are all some simple one-liners.
Some of the one-liners are also really good though.

[sirnoob]

I think its only the starting 5 factions and spain and portugal possibly milan as well that get full speeches.

[Guru]

If I recall, only Portugal, Spain, England, France, HRE, Milan, Venice, Sicily and Byzantium have long speeches. I'm not sure about the Papal states or Hungary. I assume Hungary has those short speeches. Scots get their own set of short speeches. Poland, Denmark and Russia get poor one-liners. I agree that Muslim speeches are the least inspiring.

Most speeches are more like conversations than battle speeches. "As a man of learning I tell you..." Usually I just skip those speeches. I think some of them are trying to reach a humoristic attitude though with little success. I still like some of them. "To a bloody day!" is my (current) favourite.
:charge:

-Guru

[RoadKill]

The one liners are actually pretty freaking funny.

[Kobal2fr]

While it's true that some of them are really funny, especially when they take you unawares at the end of a normal speech, few of them are really blood-stirring or awe inspiring, especially when compared to some of Rome ones.

[Sheogorath]

From what I've seen, only the English have really GOOD speeches, everybody elses just seem kinda...bleh. The French get a few good lines, but most of the other factions just ramble about 'GOD WANTS US TO KILL INFIDELS LOL' for a while.

[bones58]

I think perhaps due to recent world events, CA may have toned down some of the Muslim battle speeches to avoid any comparisons to some of the favorite cliches and statements used by Islamic terrorists. Or am I just a goat fondling arse monkey/crazy?

[Budwise]

DEAR CA

I am pretty sure that if lack of extra funds to pay actors/voiceovers for M2TW is the problem, I am sure you can find lots of tallent among the messageboards.

Just do a casting call, but because my voice is stupid I won't participate but I am sure that if you do a quick call and get some decent talent or even speech ideas, you could very quickly put them in the game via posting a link on that Loader startup screen that you produced on the 1.2 patch.

Thank you.

[Bijo]

It is not just the matter of voice actors (if so); it is also a matter of proper resources such as studios, recording equipment, standards, monetary compensations, etc.

[Slug For A Butt]

You don't think that maybe in light of the current world situation CA is just playing it safe? God knows how easily muslims seem to get upset (present company excepted) by what is percieved as a slight.
Maybe CA just worried that putting these irreverent phrases into the mouths of muslim generals would upset some people (potential customers) and it was easier to play safe.
Or maybe, as has been said before, they simply put their resources into satisfying their biggest markets.

[Kobal2fr]

Oh, right. They gave them horribly stereotyped accents and lines like "you ugly son of a camel, inch'allah !" to placate them while they kill the INFIIIIDEEEEEL ? :rolleyes:

The only thing I wonder is why the Turks very often start their battles with a long silence, then a chear (no speech at all), when the Moors always have a one-liner. AFAIK both share the same soundset. Maybe the Turks simply don't make use of all the one-liners mentionning camels, desert and whatnot ?

[Budwise]

You don't think that maybe in light of the current world situation CA is just playing it safe? God knows how easily muslims seem to get upset (present company excepted) by what is percieved as a slight.
Maybe CA just worried that putting these irreverent phrases into the mouths of muslim generals would upset some people (potential customers) and it was easier to play safe.
Or maybe, as has been said before, they simply put their resources into satisfying their biggest markets.
<rant snipped - synopis = don't take out the speeches to placate idealists> ~sapi

Sorry for the rant, my girlfriend is Asian and personally I am sick of hearing the racist ideas about that so if I were racist toward other cultures I would have no right to complain when people complain about Lien and I.

I will however, will not back down when various cultures, nations, customs try to tell me what I can and can't do with my culture in general as long as I don't create chaos, harm, OR worsten the life of other cultures.

I wanted to clearify one more thing about my last post. I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE IRAQ WAR and do not justify the deaths on both sides on the B.S. ideas on why we are even there. I feel really bad for all the families on both sides and sometimes, I kinda hope my country realises that we can't be the bully on the playground any more. I am tired of policing the world when we have problems back home.

https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b86/Budwise_thefirst/LienandI.jpg

Shes an Asian/Black mix, product of the Vietnamese war. And shes also just a little older. And yes, my scanner sucks or the pictures dirty, I dunno which.

[Captain Fishpants]

I find them rather lacking. Just a bunch of one-liners and a stark contrast to non-Muslim factions whose speeches have been done absolutely brilliantly.

"Just look at those goat-fondling arse-monkeys! Do they deserve to live?..."

lol.

I'm sure CA can bring muslim speeches on par with non-muslim ones.

Just FYI, I did write a full set of Islamic (and Scottish, for that matter) generals' speeches, but they never got into the game. This is a pity for two reasons: the Scottish ones were amazingly rude for the most part, and the Islamic ones were actually quite good (although I say this myself). I was actually rather careful to make sure the Muslim speeches were appropriately done (culturally and religiously), too.

As usual, something had to give during the production process, and these were two elements that were dropped.

[econ21]

Captain Fishpants: if you have any say in the patch for Kingdoms, I wonder if you would recommend CA Oz reduce the pre-battke wait before we hear the speeches? I tend to miss most speeches, as the wait is just too long. If they kicked in sooner - as in early TW games - I would hear them out.

[Budwise]

Just FYI, I did write a full set of Islamic (and Scottish, for that matter) generals' speeches, but they never got into the game. This is a pity for two reasons: the Scottish ones were amazingly rude for the most part, and the Islamic ones were actually quite good (although I say this myself). I was actually rather careful to make sure the Muslim speeches were appropriately done (culturally and religiously), too.

As usual, something had to give during the production process, and these were two elements that were dropped.

Why not add them with a patch or a quick download off of your loader? You guys already did most of the work already.

[sapi]

Why not add them with a patch or a quick download off of your loader? You guys already did most of the work already.
Written, not recorded, I assume ~:(


Captain Fishpants: if you have any say in the patch for Kingdoms, I wonder if you would recommend CA Oz reduce the pre-battke wait before we hear the speeches? I tend to miss most speeches, as the wait is just too long. If they kicked in sooner - as in early TW games - I would hear them out.If you're going that way, making the speeches run during deployment would be fantastic ~;)

[Privateerkev]

<quotes deleted text> ~sapi

To wrench this back on topic, it seems to me that battle speeches would have been one of the easier things to add into the game. If CA said that they were thinking of adding more of the map and had to cut it because of time constraints, I would understand that better. What makes more sense to me is what someone else on here said about how they were probably just trying to go for the market where they felt would respond strongly to their game. I'd venture a guess that those who speak English comprise the largest segment of the market for this game.

[sapi]

Please keep the discussion on topic. Politics is for the backroom.

PM me if you want a record of those arguments to use in another thread - but not this one ~:)

[Privateerkev]

While I understand your decision, I feel it is my duty to give you the rasberry to show my frustration at seeing all of my points dissapear.


:P


j/k

^_^

As for being on topic, no one has made a reply yet so consider this a *bump* with a small act of defiance aimed at the moderators for my own amusement.

[John_Longarrow]

Now here is a good question, what would be required for someone to Mod in their own speeches? If we know that, then we can (potentially) provide CA with pre-done battle orations. It would also be nice if not all of the Generals sounded alike.

[Budwise]

<rant snipped - synopis = don't take out the speeches to placate idealists> ~sapi

Case in point, I said something that wasn't inappropriate, racist or foul mouthed. I guess freedom of speech doesn't apply here.

[Privateerkev]

Well technically it doesn't. The board is private property which means the owners can have others moderate as they see fit. You could do as I did and content yourself at "rasberrying" the mods. Immature and ineffective yet strangely satisfying in a sophomoric sort of way.

[Kobal2fr]

Case in point, I said something that wasn't inappropriate, racist or foul mouthed. I guess freedom of speech doesn't apply here.

Errrm... Can you read ? sapi merely said "this doesn't belong here, but in another part of the forum". That's not censorship, that's organization. Heck, he even offered to copy your arguments in a new thread, which is pretty considerate of him if you ask me.

Censorship would be "you can't say that in here. You have been warned and will be banned if you do it again". Post something about the legitimacy of piracy, with torrent links, to see what I mean ~;p

Organization is "this is where we talk about the game and people come to hear about the game. That is where we rant about politics and people come to hear rants.". Or, in other words : political scandals on page 1, boobies on page 3, sports news on page 5. And you don't mix your boobies with your sports, because that would make a lot of people very confused :clown:.

[Didz]

Well technically it doesn't.
Absolutely, this board is owned and managed privately and the owner is like the captain of a ship and able to dictate the rules as he see's fit. Just be thankful that its reasonably moderated, on the Black Industries forum you get banned just for mentioning something that the moderators don't want discussed, or disagreeing with one of their arguments. I got banned for pointing out that if the world had indeed been populated with large numbers of carnivorous flying monsters, then arable farming would probably not have been feasible and humanity would have evolved as a subterranean civilisation like rabbits. The mistake I made was making this observation on a thread started by a moderator who wanted to argue that regiments of knights riding on War Griffons were rational. [Insta-banned]


<quotes deleted text> ~sapi
To wrench this back on topic, it seems to me that battle speeches would have been one of the easier things to add into the game. If CA said that they were thinking of adding more of the map and had to cut it because of time constraints, I would understand that better. What makes more sense to me is what someone else on here said about how they were probably just trying to go for the market where they felt would respond strongly to their game. I'd venture a guess that those who speak English comprise the largest segment of the market for this game.
More to the point, if it is possible to add to battle speeches privately then any political issues could be avoided by allowing purchasers to download appropriate speeches from unofficial sources.

I know I had to do that with Hearts of Iron because the German government would not allow accurate historical material to be included in the game at point of sale.

I agree with the general consencus that the non-English speeches tend to be pretty poor or non-existent, it would be great to be able to download some decent sets.

[Specky the Mad]

Captain Fishpants is there any chance you could release the scripts for the your Scot and Muslim battle speeches then maybe some one(s) with the time and resources and talent could make a mod to add them to the game or is that stuff the property of CA and if it is could u try to pull some stings to let them let it go into the modding community, not that you are obligated in any way but it would be a very noble thing to do :yes:

[TinCow]

Now here is a good question, what would be required for someone to Mod in their own speeches? If we know that, then we can (potentially) provide CA with pre-done battle orations. It would also be nice if not all of the Generals sounded alike.

I would be very interested in knowing this as well. The TW community has many talented and dedicated modders plus a very large international base. It would be easy for them to produce well-written, properly-accented battle speeches which would likely be far more extensive and varied than the stuff that ships with the game. Are the variables for the speeches hardcoded such that they can't be modded or is this simply something that no one has tried before?

[Ulstan]

I guess freedom of speech doesn't apply here.

Correct. There is no 'right to free speech' on privately run and managed forums.

[icek]

If I recall, only Portugal, Spain, England, France, HRE, Milan, Venice, Sicily and Byzantium have long speeches. I'm not sure about the Papal states or Hungary. I assume Hungary has those short speeches. Scots get their own set of short speeches. Poland, Denmark and Russia get poor one-liners. I agree that Muslim speeches are the least inspiring.

Most speeches are more like conversations than battle speeches. "As a man of learning I tell you..." Usually I just skip those speeches. I think some of them are trying to reach a humoristic attitude though with little success. I still like some of them. "To a bloody day!" is my (current) favourite.
:charge:

-Guru
i always listen to all speeches. reason is beacuse it give general attribute like good storyteller (+1 law) and latter no bullshit (+2 morale ,+1 authority)

[Captain Fishpants]

Captain Fishpants is there any chance you could release the scripts for the your Scot and Muslim battle speeches then maybe some one(s) with the time and resources and talent could make a mod to add them to the game or is that stuff the property of CA and if it is could u try to pull some stings to let them let it go into the modding community, not that you are obligated in any way but it would be a very noble thing to do :yes:

Given that I'm an employee, the speeches were work for hire and are CA's copyright.

I'll try to find out if it's possible to put them out into the community for someone to mod into the game. Leave it with me.

[Lord Comnenus]

https://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=kezzyhomeros&p=r
for those funny RANTS!

[sapi]

Given that I'm an employee, the speeches were work for hire and are CA's copyright.

I'll try to find out if it's possible to put them out into the community for someone to mod into the game. Leave it with me.
Thanks; the effort is much appreciated.

Privateerkev, Budwise, I've been reluctant to post here, as I didn't want to drag this further off-topic into a discussion of the rights of members on a forum, but I'd like you to know that my offer of moving those posts to the backroom still stands. I honestly didn't want to offend either of you, and if I did, you have my apologies. I have seemed to court those discussions recently (I got a similar one at TWC the other day), so I'd like to remind anyone with problems that my PM box is always open for potentially convincing arguments, within reason :grin2:

Now, back to praising Fishpants for his attempt :thumbsup:

[Privateerkev]

Thanks; the effort is much appreciated.

Privateerkev, Budwise, I've been reluctant to post here, as I didn't want to drag this further off-topic into a discussion of the rights of members on a forum, but I'd like you to know that my offer of moving those posts to the backroom still stands. I honestly didn't want to offend either of you, and if I did, you have my apologies. I have seemed to court those discussions recently (I got a similar one at TWC the other day), so I'd like to remind anyone with problems that my PM box is always open for potentially convincing arguments, within reason :grin2:


I had absolutly no problem with what you did. I later asserted that in a moderated forum, there should be no real expectation of free speech. My rasberry was meant as a joke. Since it is hard to convey irony, humor, and sarcasm over a text medium, I apologize if I came off as actually upset. Now as for Budwise, you'd have to ask him. He seemed genuinely miffed and did assert that he should have some sort of free speech rights on this board.

So, no problems here and please don't hesitate to let me know if I skirt the forum rules again. :beam:

[Specky the Mad]

Given that I'm an employee, the speeches were work for hire and are CA's copyright.

I'll try to find out if it's possible to put them out into the community for someone to mod into the game. Leave it with me.

Would it be wrong for me to assume that with such a long time without reply or news release that CA doesn't feel like sharing the speech work (either because they will use them for kingdoms (most likely) or just to much red tape) or like all great things it takes a lot of time?

So if some kind of word on the status of this quest would be most appreciated.

[sapi]

Would it be wrong for me to assume that with such a long time without reply or news release that CA doesn't feel like sharing the speech work (either because they will use them for kingdoms (most likely) or just to much red tape) or like all great things it takes a lot of time?

So if some kind of word on the status of this quest would be most appreciated.
I wouldn't suspect too much as yet - things have a tendency to move slowly with things like this ~:)

@privateerkev, thanks, I know :bow: