The incredible evil plot of the evil beersalesmen [Concluded] [Archive] - Page 2

Andres

07-09-2007, 20:01

??? was sitting at home when the doorbell rang. ??? walked to the door and opened it, only to see a Heineken salesmen.
"Goodnight my friend, how would you like to buy some Heineken?"
"Oh yes, I would like to, I'm dieing to drink some beer again, ever since I lost my job I'm out of money."
"Well in did case join our selling team, so you will start making some money. All you need to do is try selling beer to people, the more you sell the more money you make."
"I would like to, where do I need to apply?"
"You can follow me, my friend."

Apparantly, ??? died tonight...

~:confused:

Oh, allmighty gamemaster, can you explain this oddity to us, mere mortal players?

Csargo

07-09-2007, 20:03

haha knew that was coming

Stig

07-09-2007, 20:06

??? did not die, ??? got converted

Andres

07-09-2007, 20:07

Ah, apparantly somebody got converted...

:embarassed:

Stig

07-09-2007, 20:13

Ah, apparantly somebody got converted...

:embarassed:
Note that this someone doesn't have to be killed to win the game.

Andres

07-09-2007, 20:24

Note that this someone doesn't have to be killed to win the game.

Two questions:

1) Can the mafia convert a player with a special role?
2) Can the mafia convert a player with a secret role?

Stig

07-09-2007, 20:54

No, they can convert weak townies, but those townies don't know they are weak townies.

shlin28

07-09-2007, 20:56

You mean we don't know if we are strong or weak? Weak ones get converted to mafia and strong ones get kicked out?

Stig

07-09-2007, 20:57

Aye, but the weak townies don't know they are weak townies either (I don't want them to go looking for the mafia).

Andres

07-09-2007, 21:08

Hmmm... I did some re-reading.

These posts caught my eye:

Vote: GreaterKhann

He does seem rather suspicious now that Pever's dead... but GH saving an innocent could be a ruse, afterall if he did that nobody could accuse him of being a mafia.

Your personal argumentation for that vote was, hm, non-existant.

At that time, two players were suspect: GK and GH. You voted one of them and at the same time, you accused GH, the other "suspect", meanwhile stating the obvious. It's a typical 'neutral' post. A post which doesn't say much and looks helpful. The kind of posts usually made by a mafioso.

Vote TwilightBlade

Isn't very active is he... we need to get rid of the lurkers quickly, because they could be
a) they could be mafia, and we could get rid of them early
b) or not mafia, but since...

At that time, you weren't very active either. Hypocrisy. You also, again, stated the obvious in that post. It was another one of those 'neutral' posts: it sounds helpful, but really doesn't say much.

Unvote
Vote GH

By Prole's reasoning GH must be mafia, and so therefore he must be lynched!

A vote without a reason...

Vote : shlin28

Typical mafia behaviour, too much trying to sound neutral and helpful at the same time. Trying to look like the helpful, participating player, but actually not saying too much.

Warmaster Horus

07-09-2007, 21:12

Eh? Who would kill me?

Sigurd

07-09-2007, 21:16

Eh? Who would kill me?
I guess the same b@**@*ds that would kill me...

seireikhaan

07-09-2007, 21:27

Vote: Shlin

I thought it odd that you would vote for me in that round, and then in the same post, list reasons why someone else was suspicious. Seems rather scummy to me. Also, you misspelled my name.:thumbsdown:

Csargo

07-09-2007, 21:43

CountArach

07-09-2007, 22:34

Hmmm, I thought for a second that Andres was the converted person. However, I went back and checked, and an attempted conversion was made on him night 1. It failed, so he is a strong-willed townie. Therefore we know he is to be trusted. I find it interesting that he hasn't died at this point.

Looks as if the salesmen have a new associate. Pity, since there are few decent leads at the moment.
Hmmm, this seems un-helpful to me. He notes that there are few useful leads, yet at the same time he does not make any attempt to provide one.

Vote: Omanes

Sasaki Kojiro

07-09-2007, 22:44

What exactly is interesting about Andres lack of death? Doesn't the fact that he was attacked prove his innocence?

vote:CA

GeneralHankerchief

07-09-2007, 22:46

I thought Andres was already attacked by the salesmen and survived.

shlin28

07-09-2007, 22:49

Hmmm... I did some re-reading.

These posts caught my eye:

Your personal argumentation for that vote was, hm, non-existant.

At that time, two players were suspect: GK and GH. You voted one of them and at the same time, you accused GH, the other "suspect", meanwhile stating the obvious. It's a typical 'neutral' post. A post which doesn't say much and looks helpful. The kind of posts usually made by a mafioso.

At that time, you weren't very active either. Hypocrisy. You also, again, stated the obvious in that post. It was another one of those 'neutral' posts: it sounds helpful, but really doesn't say much.

A vote without a reason...

Vote : shlin28

Typical mafia behaviour, too much trying to sound neutral and helpful at the same time. Trying to look like the helpful, participating player, but actually not saying too much.

Fine, lynch me if you want, at least it will move the game alone and help the townies.

And Khann, someone else was suspicious, but you sound more suspicious, so i voted for you.
And you didnt spell my full name, therefore
Vote: GreaterKhann

Andres

07-09-2007, 22:52

Hmmm, I thought for a second that Andres was the converted person.

And why was that, if I may ask?

Hmmm, this seems un-helpful to me. He notes that there are few useful leads, yet at the same time he does not make any attempt to provide one.

Vote: Omanes

It's Omanes' usual style. You should know that by now. Trying to divert attention away from your new master, Shlin28?

shlin28

07-09-2007, 22:54

Its my first game... its unlikely that i would know any player's playing style...:inquisitive:

Andres

07-09-2007, 22:56

And Khann, someone else was suspicious, but you sound more suspicious, so i voted for you.

And why exactly does he sound more suspicious? Or is your motivation blatant retaliation?

Its my first game... its unlikely that i would know any player's playing style...

My remark about Omanes' style was adressed to CA.

What exactly is interesting about Andres lack of death? Doesn't the fact that he was attacked prove his innocence?

vote:CA

I think Shlin is a better lynch option.

Caius

07-09-2007, 23:01

Its my first game... its unlikely that i would know any player's playing style...:inquisitive:
I think you have played a game before...

shlin28

07-09-2007, 23:02

No... not any mafia games

Sasaki Kojiro

07-09-2007, 23:02

You mean we don't know if we are strong or weak? Weak ones get converted to mafia and strong ones get kicked out?

You should already know that we don't know if we are strong or weak.

unvote,vote:shlin

GeneralHankerchief

07-09-2007, 23:02

And Khann, someone else was suspicious, but you sound more suspicious, so i voted for you.
And you didnt spell my full name, therefore
Vote: GreaterKhann

Funny, you misspelled greaterkhaan's name.

Vote: shlin28

shlin28

07-09-2007, 23:05

Andres

07-09-2007, 23:06

https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif

Caius

07-09-2007, 23:08

Fine, bandwagon on me, if nobody believes that im a townie
And none of you have any reason to vote for me apart from my rather lame excuses for votes... a newbie needs time to refine arguements and put proper excuses you know...
Do your best try...I failed big time in my first mafia, but oh well, dont refugiate because you are newbie on this.

shlin28

07-09-2007, 23:09

I know, i tried my best :shame:
Hope the townies win now

Csargo

07-09-2007, 23:11

Well, it's 20.40 (GMT+1), so I guess the night is over.

You had your fun.

Now, can you please explain your vote to me? A simple click on the "find more posts from Roadkill" would have told you he wasn't online the last couple of days...

Besides, you have played several games with Roadkill and you should know lurking is his style, regardless of guilt or not.

Vote : Ichigo

https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif

Very nice Andres.

Andres

07-09-2007, 23:12

Very nice Andres.

:bow:

Sasaki Kojiro

07-09-2007, 23:12

Funny, you misspelled greaterkhaan's name.

Vote: shlin28

That's not a very good reason for a vote.

Csargo

07-09-2007, 23:13

:bow:

:freak: :sweatdrop:

Andres

07-09-2007, 23:21

Tally:

Shlin28: 4 (Andres, GK, Sasaki, GH)
Greaterkhaan: 1 (Shlin28)
Omanes: 1 (CountArach)

CountArach

07-09-2007, 23:58

The reason was that I, if I were mafia, would have illed you the round after you failed to convert. Therefore, the fact that you weren't dead implied that they may have gone in for a second conversion attempt. Then I read what Stig said about strong willed townies, so realised you were probably one of those.

TevashSzat

07-10-2007, 03:05

Wow guys, another bandwagon on shlin now... I personally dont find him being that scummy, but to me GH blatantly badnwagoned with his vote and reason saying this:

Funny, you misspelled greaterkhaan's name.
So I will Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Tally:

Shlin28: 4 (Andres, GK, Sasaki, GH)
Greaterkhaan: 1 (Shlin28)
Omanes: 1 (CountArach)

GeneralHankerchief

07-10-2007, 03:10

Well, I thought saying that would be a nice change of pace from the usual "I agree with _______."

And don't forget to update the tally.

Beefy187

07-10-2007, 09:22

Sorry for late replies.. school started today

Vote: Tran

I havnt seen him for a while. If I was a mafia i would stay quiet so ill be the least suspected.

I didnt vote for Shlin because i dont want to get accused for bandwagoning. I voted for the person who havnt been voted yet.

barocca

07-10-2007, 09:36

:inquisitive: i thougth this was evil beer salesmen, not mafioso... :shocked:

Sigurd

07-10-2007, 09:53

Andres

07-10-2007, 10:25

Do your best try...I failed big time in my first mafia, but oh well, dont refugiate because you are newbie on this.

Why aren't you voting Caius?

Tran

07-10-2007, 12:50

Wow guys, another bandwagon on shlin now... I personally dont find him being that scummy, but to me GH blatantly badnwagoned with his vote and reason saying this:

So I will Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Tally:

Shlin28: 4 (Andres, GK, Sasaki, GH)
Greaterkhaan: 1 (Shlin28)
Omanes: 1 (CountArach)
I have to agree

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Shlin28: 4 (Andres, GK, Sasaki, GH)
Greaterkhaan: 1 (Shlin28)
Omanes: 1 (CountArach)
GH: 2 (Xdeathfire, Tran)

CountArach

07-10-2007, 12:59

School? ..
I guess you must live down under or something.
Actually its holidays for me.

Andres

07-10-2007, 13:07

I have to agree

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Shlin28: 4 (Andres, GK, Sasaki, GH)
Greaterkhaan: 1 (Shlin28)
Omanes: 1 (CountArach)
GH: 2 (Xdeathfire, Tran)

Anything more to say? No opinion on the other players ?

Warmaster Horus

07-10-2007, 13:17

Tran, that's perhaps slightly stupid, no? I mean, bandwagon on someone because you agree with someone who said he bandwagonned?
Vote:Tran

Tally:
Shlin28: 4 (Andres, GK, Sasaki, GH)
Greaterkhaan: 1 (Shlin28)
Omanes: 1 (CountArach)
GH: 2 (Xdeathfire, Tran)
Tran: 1 (WH)

Sigurd

07-10-2007, 13:23

Tran, that's perhaps slightly stupid, no? I mean, bandwagon on someone because you say he bandwagonned?
Vote:Tran

Hehe...

Good one Warmaster... I like your style. :beam:

Andres

07-10-2007, 13:43

WM was walking down the street when he saw a salesmen at the end of the street. He turned around, but saw another salesmen at the other end.
He started running and ran into an alley, which again had another salesmen. So he again turned and saw the other salesmen coming towards him. He pushed a little schoolkid from his bicycle and started peddling.
"This town isn't safe anymore," he yelled, "I'm leaving."

...

"Killed:"
Sigurd
Seamus
Pevergreen
DG
Faust
Roadkill
Ichigo
WM

Sorry Warmaster, you cannot vote. You already left town...

shlin28

07-10-2007, 13:56

Unvote
Vote General Hankerchief

No reason apart from trying to save myself, so lynch me if you think im scummy...

Tally:
Shlin28: 4 (Andres, GK, Sasaki, GH)
Omanes: 1 (CountArach)
GH: 3 (Xdeathfire, Tran, shlin28)
Tran: 1 (WH)

Warmaster Horus

07-10-2007, 14:06

AAAAARRRRGGG!!!!

Forgot myself there for a second...

Tally
Shlin28: 4 (Andres, GK, Sasaki, GH)
Omanes: 1 (CountArach)
GH: 3 (Xdeathfire, Tran, shlin28)

Still, I recommend a vote on one of the bandwagonners...

Tran

07-10-2007, 14:29

Tran, that's perhaps slightly stupid, no? I mean, bandwagon on someone because you agree with someone who said he bandwagonned?
No. I believe shlin is a new player and other people just using his 'newness' to their own advantage. It wasn't a bandwagon after all...

Now vote GH! :whip:

Sigurd

07-10-2007, 14:30

AAAAARRRRGGG!!!!

Forgot myself there for a second...

Nah...
Just admit it, you wanted to fool the mafia host like I have many times before.
As I said; I like the style. :yes:

Andres

07-10-2007, 14:31

Now vote GH! :whip:

Convince me :whip:

What are your thoughts on the other players? Talk :whip:

Tran

07-10-2007, 14:33

I thought it was clear...?:whip:
:whip:
:whip:

Sigurd

07-10-2007, 14:33

No. I believe shlin is a new player and other people just using his 'newness' to their own advantage. It wasn't a bandwagon after all...

Now vote GH! :whip:

Maybe we should do as Tran is suggesting...
GH has barely escaped the noose on several occations in this game.

Warmaster Horus

07-10-2007, 14:34

About the other players?

Be helpful, don't pursue a vendetta against one person only.

Not that I wholeheartedly disagree with lynching GH...

Andres

07-10-2007, 14:38

I agree with Warmaster, we shouldn't forget lurkers like Xdeathfire and Caius...

Tran

07-10-2007, 15:04

Those two will be WoGed...or they'll suddenly appear to save themselves, and if that happen, we can just lynch them :evilgrin:

Sasaki Kojiro

07-10-2007, 15:13

You mean we don't know if we are strong or weak? Weak ones get converted to mafia and strong ones get kicked out?You should already know that we don't know if we are strong or weak.

unvote,vote:shlin

Vote shlin.

Andres

07-10-2007, 15:20

Those two will be WoGed...or they'll suddenly appear to save themselves, and if that happen, we can just lynch them :evilgrin:

You do realise you only made 7 posts in this game thus far, 4 of them during this day phase and only after shlinn28 got under pressure :inquisitive:

At least your buddy Xdeathfire was a bit more discreet.

Shlinn28 goes down today, Tran is the lynch for tomorrow.

I urge all townies to vote Shlinn28 today, and Tran tomorrow.

Sigurd

07-10-2007, 15:25

You do realise you only made 7 posts in this game thus far, 4 of them during this day phase and only after shlinn28 got under pressure :inquisitive:

At least your buddy Xdeathfire was a bit more discreet.

Shlinn28 goes down today, Tran is the lynch for tomorrow.

I urge all townies to vote Shlinn28 today, and Tran tomorrow.

Come on now Andres, at least play with the mouse before... :beam:

Caius

07-10-2007, 16:57

I dont like you Andres somewhat.
Why are you reccomending us who to lynch? You are leading us to nowhere

Vote:Andres

Omanes Alexandrapolites

07-10-2007, 17:09

Vote: shlin28

Mostly because I most certainly trust Andres. We've got to bring down the mafia by any means possible. shlin most certainly is a good choice, after reading recent events, and it is clear that many agree that he is reasonably dangerous.

Garcilaso, please could you remove your vote from Andres. I'm a little confused as to why you have placed it upon an almost guaranteed innocent. Andres most certainly was confirmed innocent on night one after the salesmen attacked him and he was saved.

Caius

07-10-2007, 17:18

Unvote:Andres
Vote:Tran
Why are you so eager on lynch?

Warmaster Horus

07-10-2007, 17:39

Uhh, maybe he wants to lynch the mafia?

And, anyway, Andres is telling you who to lynch because he thinks the person he recommended is mafia. If you don't follow him, too bad...

Andres

07-10-2007, 18:00

Tally:

Shlin28: 5 (Andres, greaterkhaan, Sasaki, GeneralHankerchief, Omanes)
Omanes: 1 (CA)
GeneralHankerchief : 3 (Xdeathfire, Tran, Shlin28)
Tran: 2 (Beefy, Caius)

Csargo

07-10-2007, 18:29

shlin28

07-10-2007, 19:06

Looks like im getting lynched... :embarassed:

Warmaster Horus

07-10-2007, 19:41

Technically, you are lynched, since the round ended about an an hour and forty five minutes ago.

Tran

07-10-2007, 19:55

...upon an almost guaranteed innocent...
Or it could just be a failed vigilante attack, remember my attack on Ichigo in your "Heretic Mafia"? I'm sure you do...:inquisitive:

Warmaster Horus

07-10-2007, 19:56

A vigilante attack on night one?

:inquisitive:

Tran

07-10-2007, 19:59

Why not?

I did that in Omanes mini mafia :shame:

Warmaster Horus

07-10-2007, 20:03

When you had nothing to go on? When you had more chances of killing a townie, because nobody looked suspicious?

Come on, the vigilante here wouldn't do that. I hope.

GeneralHankerchief

07-10-2007, 20:20

I dont like you Andres somewhat.
Why are you reccomending us who to lynch? You are leading us to nowhere

I'd just like to remind everyone that Andres was attacked (BY HEINEKEN SALESMEN) in Round 1.

Andres

07-10-2007, 20:51

Or it could just be a failed vigilante attack, remember my attack on Ichigo in your "Heretic Mafia"? I'm sure you do...:inquisitive:

Re-read the description of the attack. It is obvious I got attaced by a Heineken salesman = mafia. Mafia cannot attack another mafia. Never.

Stig

07-10-2007, 20:54

Day 4 is over, Night 5 has begun, and I have little time

"People, people, again you made up your mind. I have counted the votes and we have a clear winner. You, Shlin, have won the big price, a one way ticket out of town. You get a ten second headstart, after that these guys will come after you, so good luck."

Tally:

Shlin28: 5 (Andres, greaterkhaan, Sasaki, GeneralHankerchief, Omanes)
Omanes: 1 (CA)
GeneralHankerchief : 3 (Xdeathfire, Tran, Shlin28)
Tran: 2 (Beefy, Caius)
Not voting: 1 (Prole)

No WoG bait

Send yer PM's

CountArach

07-10-2007, 22:48

Edit: Nevermind I didn't realise this was the next page. Stupid "Read posts since last visit".

RoadKill

07-11-2007, 01:08

This sucks, I always get lynched in the active mafias, and when everything gets good.

pevergreen

07-11-2007, 01:23

Sorry for late replies.. school started today

That is true, Beefy, Twilightblade, Killfr3nzy and I all have started school again. Same school, same times.

Seamus Fermanagh

07-11-2007, 04:27

This sucks, I always get lynched in the active mafias, and when everything gets good.

We all have stretches like that. Heck, I've survived only one mafia -- as a god -- and still lost that one and Dutch Guy was murdered on round one almost as a tradition for a while there.....it's all part of the game's charm. :cheesy:

CountArach

07-11-2007, 05:12

What about UltraWar? If I recall, he had an even worse streak.

seireikhaan

07-11-2007, 05:31

UltraWar: Being killed and/or lynched in the first round repeatedly over various games.

Apparently so.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

07-11-2007, 07:01

Or it could just be a failed vigilante attack, remember my attack on Ichigo in your "Heretic Mafia"? I'm sure you do...True, but I sincerely doubt that a pro-townsperson would try selling dangerous beer to the their targets. Only the mafia kills in such a way.

Sigurd

07-11-2007, 07:53

What about UltraWar? If I recall, he had an even worse streak.
You have to break the trend..
Make sure that it is not a good idea to kill you in the first round.
I also was killed in the first rounds in my early days and so was Discovery1.

Mafia should know by now that by killing Sigurd in the first round, ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. :whip:

And the dragon was wroth with the woman [Mafia] , and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God [the game Host]...
(Rev. 12:17)

TevashSzat

07-11-2007, 11:34

Seamus Fermanagh

07-11-2007, 18:50

Sigh...another badnwagon on another guy. I know you guys are all saying im lurking and am scummy, but think of this. I barely post enough for me not to get Woged which I doubt mafia would do since that would attract attention. Also, if you guys look at my recent posts, in like the past month I made only around 50 posts, alot lower than what I used to do during school since I dont have even less time during the summer.

Edit: Okay I just counter and its like 72 posts in 30 days, a slight below 2.3 per day compared to my average of 4.52.

Actual data presented in your own defense -- exactly what bandwagon efforts are designed to elicit.

Kommo's research suggests that a moderate decrease in posts correlates fairly well with an active role -- but a halving of your post count would not. I got similar results with some of my scans using posts-per-page (my pages are set at 40).

GeneralHankerchief

07-11-2007, 19:11

Mafia should know by now that by killing Sigurd in the first round, ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE. :whip:

I seem to remember the mafia winning Graffiti Mafia when you were offed first... :laugh4:

Sigurd

07-11-2007, 19:46

I seem to remember the mafia winning Graffiti Mafia when you were offed first... :laugh4:
True... but I got you and Kommodus lynched. The last mafioso Xiahou was just too good. And then you had Disco who couldn't be lynched. All hell was loose in that game.

This game is better coordinated. Speaking of the devil... shouldn't there be some results by now?

Stig

07-11-2007, 19:49

Night 5 over, Day 5 has begun

CA was emptying his letterbox when he found a strange green card in it. An obvious advertisement, but CA read it anyway and he liked it.
"Buy 6 6packs Heineken and you'll maybe win a trip to Alaska."
CA the iceman as he was sprinted off to the shops and got 6 6packs from a dust-gathering shelf. At home he got some warm cloths and he left the town while walking to the north.
He missed the word "maybe" in the advertisement.

Khaan was jogging in the park when he saw empty Heineken bottle. Not far further on he saw another one, and another one, and another one, and curious as he was he started following them. After about an hour he came to a small hut far outside Gah-village. He entered it, but behind him the door closed and was locked.
Khaan, knowing he couldn't get out, went to sleep and when he woke up he tried to open the door, and it worked, but ashamed as he was he didn't dare to return to Gah-village.

Still alive (9):
Beefy
Andres
Xdeathfire
Caius (aka mr. difficult name)
Prole
Sasaki
Tran
Omanes
GH

"Killed:"
Sigurd
Seamus
Pevergreen
DG
Faust
Roadkill
Ichigo
WM
Khaan
CA
Shlin

WoG:
Lorenzo
Twilightblade

Csargo

07-11-2007, 20:06

True... but I got you and Kommodus lynched. The last mafioso Xiahou was just too good. And then you had Disco who couldn't be lynched. All hell was loose in that game.

This game is better coordinated. Speaking of the devil... shouldn't there be some results by now?

heh. Your over zealousness cost you that game, it will cost you this one as well.

:bow:

Sasaki Kojiro

07-11-2007, 21:18

heh. Your over zealousness cost you that game, it will cost you this one as well.

This sounds confessional.

Csargo

07-11-2007, 21:30

This sounds confessional.

:shrug: Just stating the obvious.

Sasaki Kojiro

07-11-2007, 21:31

No. I believe shlin is a new player and other people just using his 'newness' to their own advantage. It wasn't a bandwagon after all...

Now vote GH! :whip:

What made you believe that shlin was a new player and not mafia?

GeneralHankerchief

07-11-2007, 21:44

heh. Your over zealousness cost you that game, it will cost you this one as well.

https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/GeneralHankerchief/TorturePalpatine2321.jpg

"Your overconfidence is your weakness."

"Your faith in your friends is yours."

Oh, and so nobody accuses me of bandwagoning:

Vote: Tran

Csargo

07-11-2007, 21:49

https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n231/GeneralHankerchief/TorturePalpatine2321.jpg

"Your overconfidence is your weakness."

"Your faith in your friends is yours."

Oh, and so nobody accuses me of bandwagoning:

Vote: Tran

:inquisitive: confidence is for the weak.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

07-11-2007, 21:49

Vote: Tran

Wasn't it a little strange that he wandered into the thread just as shilin was been victimised. You just have to ask yourself if he was trying to save his mafia buddy?

Sasaki Kojiro

07-11-2007, 22:17

Vote: Tran

Wasn't it a little strange that he wandered into the thread just as shilin was been victimised. You just have to ask yourself if he was trying to save his mafia buddy?

Mafia also go after their partners when they are probably going to be lynched in order to appear innocent. Your reason for voting tran is one that has been given before.

fos:omanes

Sasaki Kojiro

07-11-2007, 22:25

Sigurd

07-11-2007, 22:49

Tran is suspicious, but we should wait a bit before overcommitting ourselves to a wagon. Sometimes someone gets to many votes and then it's hard to get someone else lynched even if new evidence comes up.

Nah... go for Tran he was obviously trying to save his buddy Shlin28 last round. And I am absolutely convinced that Shlin28 is was a Heineken salesman.

Sasaki Kojiro

07-11-2007, 23:36

vote:tran

I trust sigurd on this one.

Beefy187

07-12-2007, 07:41

ill come back to vote in about 3 hours or so. Hopefully some new evidence will come up by then

Tran

07-12-2007, 07:48

@Stig: If there's only one Heineken salesman left, can he kill two people too, or he can only kill one person?

Sigurd

07-12-2007, 07:57

@Stig: If there's only one Heineken salesman left, can he kill two people too, or he can only kill one person?

:beam:

Tran

07-12-2007, 07:59

What? If you want to use that as "evidence" against me then go ahead.

I've said what I need to say in the previous post. So I'll just say "good luck townie!" :cheesy:

Andres

07-12-2007, 08:17

So I'll just say "good luck townie!" :cheesy:

Does that mean you're in the opposite team?

Vote : Tran

Stig

07-12-2007, 08:50

@Stig: If there's only one Heineken salesman left, can he kill two people too, or he can only kill one person?
Well I believe I already said it, but it's one.

Andres

07-12-2007, 09:37

Nice try, Tran, but I have an additional question for Stig: Can a converted player kill as well?

Beefy187

07-12-2007, 10:21

just a quick question
do we have 2 evil beer saller or 1 left?

Andres

07-12-2007, 10:30

just a quick question
do we have 2 evil beer saller or 1 left?

In fact, you never know. Roles are not revealed upon dead.

We started the game with 3 original Heineken salesmen. One townie got converted. The converted player doesn't need to get lynched to ensure a town victory.

A least 1 (and probably 2) of the 3 original mafiosi is/are already dead.

Beefy187

07-12-2007, 12:28

thank you Andres for answering my question:2thumbsup:

since this is my last opportunity to vote till tommorow ill have to vote for Tran. I dont necessary agree with all the reasons but we do need to lynch someone if we want to kill the beer sales man. And Tran is the most suspecious.

Vote:Tran

Stig

07-12-2007, 13:15

Nice try, Tran, but I have an additional question for Stig: Can a converted player kill as well?
Why not? You should have a reason to convert him, no ~D

Proletariat

07-12-2007, 15:57

Vote: Tran

RoadKill

07-12-2007, 16:41

Vote: Tran

That was out of the blue.

Andres

07-12-2007, 18:30

Vote tally

Tran : 6 (GH, Omanes, Sasaki, Andres, Beefy, Prole)

Sasaki Kojiro

07-12-2007, 19:05

Vote: Tran

Lack of commentary here is scummy. With 5 votes on tran it's clear he's going to be lynched. Scum in this situation would probably vote for their partner, but would be concerned about giving themselves away with a large post...

Stig

07-12-2007, 19:58

I'm here

Day 5 is over, Night 6 has begun

Tran is lynched, I am busy ... little write-up to come

Vote tally

Tran : 6 (GH, Omanes, Sasaki, Andres, Beefy, Prole)
Not voting : 3 (Tran, Xdeathfire, Caius)

Send yer PMs

Proletariat

07-12-2007, 22:25

Lack of commentary here is scummy.

It's a little scummy looking sure, but if you look at the post time you can create a mental image of Prole hurriedly quaffing her coffee and trying to get in a vote before she'd be afk at work for awhile.

I'm with Sig on this on.

I've been more active with a few confirmed innocents behind the scenes and it's basically a numbers game at this point, the town will be safe at the end of this. Now excuse me while I enjoy my Tieguanyin tea, something none of you beer swilling plebs could dream of affording. :extends her pinky daintily and sips:

Csargo

07-12-2007, 23:28

It's a little scummy looking sure, but if you look at the post time you can create a mental image of Prole hurriedly quaffing her coffee and trying to get in a vote before she'd be afk at work for awhile.

I'm with Sig on this on.

I've been more active with a few confirmed innocents behind the scenes and it's basically a numbers game at this point, the town will be safe at the end of this. Now excuse me while I enjoy my Tieguanyin tea, something none of you beer swilling plebs could dream of affording. :extends her pinky daintily and sips:

:beam:

TevashSzat

07-13-2007, 01:43

Personally, I think Prole is acting a bit suspicious here. Look at her posts since the game started:

Just got back from out of town, but I don't see anything that significant other than Sigurd's main four points.

Vote: Abstain for now..

Nothing that suspicious about this

This is already difficult to follow. I think pevergreen's death should be considered, but over all, considering it wasn't an apparent Heineken man, it was prolly some other serial killer action or...

Nothing that suspicious.

I agree, Warmaster. GH has been acting scummy through this whole thing, and Sasaki looks scummy whether he's the detective, beer man, game moderator, trash man, whatever role.

Lynch: GH

But I've...

She agrees with Warmaster and goes for GH, a patern will emerge here now.

Check the replies total.

I have 6 posts, the same amount as you, Count.

Very defensive and quickly posted I believe even though she wasn't really targetted and it was just a random vote I believe

Seamus has made the most sense here, if GH was innocent, he'dve been killed by now.

Unvote: GH
Vote: Roadkill

She now listens to Seamus and bandwagons on Roadkill even though she seemed pretty convinced about GH due to Warmaster earlier

I said Seamus changed my mind. What he said about GH makes more sense than accusing GH of being mafia for a deadline-voting snafu. If I was mafia, I'd be trying very hard to get him or Sasaki lynched...

Again, very defensive about her voting record. More defensive than what most people would do

Vote: Tran

Yet another bandwagon without any reasons or even who she thought was the most convincing or what he did that was the most suspicious

It's a little scummy looking sure, but if you look at the post time you can create a mental image of Prole hurriedly quaffing her coffee and trying to get in a vote before she'd be afk at work for...

Very defensive again.

Of her posts after the game has started, she has not participated that much and is a lurker like me which by itself isnt that suspicious seeing as we got lots of stuff to do in real life, but her votes and the things that she does post are pretty bad. Of the 4 days, she bandwagoned 3 times and abstained the first time. Furthermore, she was extremely defensive and would post up an explanation any time someone thought that she was kinda suspicious.

Proletariat

07-13-2007, 02:12

Furthermore, she was extremely defensive and would post up an explanation any time someone thought that she was kinda suspicious.

Heheh. Guess when suspicion is casted upon me I should just thumb my nose and give no explanation.

~:wave:

You're feeling the vice grip around your beer sales, eh? Wasn't sure who it was until now, but things aren't looking good for your Heineken peddling.

TevashSzat

07-13-2007, 12:57

It is okay for someone to defend themselves, but it gets suspicious when they are extremely aggressive in doing so, like offer a very well thought out explanation relatively quickly which implies that they were ready for someone to cast suspicion on them.

Furthermore, most of the time when suspicion was cast on you, it was mostly relatively arbtrary with nothing that big to back up the accusation which didnt amount to an aggressive defense.

You're feeling the vice grip around your beer sales, eh? Wasn't sure who it was until now, but things aren't looking good for your Heineken peddling.

Again, I cast suspicion onto you and bam you're on the offensive accusing me of being mafia when you could've tried to offer better explanations.

Sasaki Kojiro

07-13-2007, 17:10

She wasn't extremely defensive, that's a complete misrepresentation...furthurmore Xdeath, why did you bring out that case before the night was over?

Stig

07-13-2007, 18:05

Night 6 is over, Day 6 has begun

Prole was drinking her tea when the doorbell ran, an Heineken salesman, but Prole knew how deal with this scum, she opened the door and said: "I'm sorry I have no time, now excuse me while I enjoy my Tieguanyin tea, something none of you beer swilling plebs could dream of affording." (thanks Prole, topquote)

Omanes was sleeping when he heard the noice of working outside. Thinking they were working on the road he went to sleep again. Half an hour later he woke up again and thought:
"What are they doing working on the road at 2 in the night?"
So he went outside to see what was going on. When he opened the door he didn't see a thing, all he could hear were the voices of an angry mob outside.
Omanes door was barricaded by crates of Heineken, his entire house was barricaded. He could count himself lucky, inside he was atleast safe of lynching, even tho he couldn't do anything himself.

Still alive (7):
Beefy
Andres
Xdeathfire
Caius (aka mr. difficult name)
Prole
Sasaki
GH

"Killed:"
Sigurd
Seamus
Pevergreen
DG
Faust
Roadkill
Ichigo
WM
Khaan
CA
Shlin
Omanes
Tran

WoG:
Lorenzo
Twilightblade

GeneralHankerchief

07-13-2007, 19:16

Hahaha, nice try.

Vote: Xdeathfire

Proletariat

07-13-2007, 20:18

Vote: Xdeath

:7gardener:

Sasaki Kojiro

07-13-2007, 21:12

Vote:xdeath

Andres

07-13-2007, 21:32

Well, these posts from Xdeathfire caught my eye:

Hmm...GH and greater are the most suspicious, but I cant come to believe that GH has made a mistake, and I think he was too quick in voting for greater. I personally saw nothing that he did that was extremely bad. I will not vote for either right now, but may vote for GH in the future.

He calls GH and GK the most suspicious, afterwards he says he doesn't believe GH is guilty and than he says he might vote GH. How about GK? Why was he suspicious? A rather odd post. In that post, you look like the helpful townie, but you aren't really taking a position. It is sort of evasive. It is too 'neutral'. In fact, I feel guilty for not having noticed that post at the beginning of the game. You would have been a good choice for an early lynch based on that post alone.

Here's another suspicious post:

Sorry, about my lack of participation here, seems like summer vacation is even busier than school, but I'll try to be more active.

Also, that previous lynch seemed like a really fast bandwagon. You should at least give someone a chance to say something or to see if they were even on the forums recently before bandwagoning on him. His last post on the forums was before day 3 has started, 2 days ago so he might just be busy in real life.

You know very well you are lurking throughout the game as well. It seems like you are a bit concerned about the bandwagons. Why would that be?

Wow guys, another bandwagon on shlin now... I personally dont find him being that scummy, but to me GH blatantly badnwagoned with his vote and reason saying this:

“Funny, you misspelled greaterkhaan’s name”

So I will Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Here you defend Shlin28. At this stage of the game, I can tell you guys that we are 100 % sure Shlin28 was mafia. You pick a target that has been under pressure before: GH. The best choice to create a tie with Shlin, thus avoiding the lynch of a mafioso? Your buddy Tran came to help you, but unfortunately, the plan doesn't work.

Sigh...another badnwagon on another guy. I know you guys are all saying im lurking and am scummy, but think of this. I barely post enough for me not to get Woged which I doubt mafia would do since that would attract attention. Also, if you guys look at my recent posts, in like the past month I made only around 50 posts, alot lower than what I used to do during school since I dont have even less time during the summer.

Edit: Okay I just counter and its like 72 posts in 30 days, a slight below 2.3 per day compared to my average of 4.52.

This post really does it for me. Why the defensive tone? It wasn't really necessary at that time? A whole explanation without being in danger of getting lynched? Also, the edit was made within 1 minute from the making of the post. You did all that counting and the edit in only 1 minute? :inquisitive:

And then you accused Prole during the night. Attack is the best defense? Sort of a pre-emptive strike?

I think you are scum Xdeathfire and therefore:

Vote : Xdeathfire

Caius

07-13-2007, 22:57

Vote:Xdeathfire

Beefy187

07-14-2007, 01:03

Correct me if im wrong

You probebly know this already but these peoples havnt been attacked by the evil beer sales man yet

Beefy187
Xdeathfire
Caius
Sasaki
GH

am i right?
so one (or two) of them must be the evil beer salesman

Caius

07-14-2007, 01:16

TevashSzat

07-14-2007, 04:04

Wow.....I can guarantee to you guys that I am innocent but there is probably no use anyways seeing as everyone already bandwagoned on me. If it will convince you guys that I am innocent, I will try to get you guys to lynch someone else.

So to Sitg, I will suicide

So there you guys, that should make me innocent to your eyes now, unless you wanna lynch the guy thats gonna kill himself...

Proletariat

07-14-2007, 04:12

Why is suicide somehow proof of innocence? I'm confused.

RoadKill

07-14-2007, 04:18

Why would the mafia kill himself?

Beefy187

07-14-2007, 05:17

well if his really willing to commit suicide then we gotta lynch someone alse

Lets say Xdeath is really innocent. That means the beer sales man tried to frame Xdeath to get lynched. So I vote GH. Because he was supposed to get lynched ages ago and somehow he managed to survive till now.

Vote:GH

GeneralHankerchief

07-14-2007, 05:19

So I vote GH. Because he was supposed to get lynched ages ago and somehow he managed to survive till now.

I use lubrication to help me keep slipping away. :wink:

Caius

07-14-2007, 05:42

Andres

07-14-2007, 09:02

So to Sitg, I will suicide

Stig, can we take it for granted that Xdeathfire will die at the end of this round, no matter what happens next and who will get lynched?

For instance, if we would all vote Beefy, will we have two dead players at the end of the round: Xdeath and Beefy?

If Xdeathfire would say, before the day ends: "ok, I'm not committing suicide anymore", would that keep him alive?

Imo, this would be a form of cheating. It would be fair if Xdeathfire can already considered dead by now. Does the host share my opinion?

Andres

07-14-2007, 09:31

Pending the reply of the host, I assume Xdeathfire already died and thus:

Unvote ; Vote : Beefy

Proletariat

07-14-2007, 09:50

Concur with Andres: If that beer salesman Xdeath is killing himself, and we get to lynch another, Vote: Beefy pending Stig's call, of course.

Beefy187

07-14-2007, 11:55

i was gonna write up a massive post to defend my self but i cant be bothered. So ill make it nice and short.

Well firstly im innocent.
and second i just said if Xdeathfires suiciding i dont wanna waste my vote on the dead man.
I did think Xdeathfire was fishy but i just wanted to vote later just incase someone brings up new evidence.

So basically what im saying is.. If you really want to lynch me go ahead. but youll regret it.

good luck townies

Warmaster Horus

07-14-2007, 12:49

Honestly, that won't help you much.

Seamus Fermanagh

07-14-2007, 14:43

Welcome to the end-game.

Still alive (7):
Beefy
Andres
Xdeathfire
Caius (aka mr. difficult name)
Prole
Sasaki
GH

Of these:

Andres and Prole may be presumed innocent as they were attacked but neither Heinekilled nor converted to the cause of that horrific non-stout (See Beefy above).

One of the remaining 5 must be an original H-seller.

One convert has been created. Likely converts could be Sasaki or GH (since their "high profile" status pretty well insures that they will have been investigated early and thus become good conversion targets since revisiting a name is rarely a good choice for a detective).

If we have 2 originals plus a convert, then XD suiciding would leave it a 3-3 tie and result in an immediate mafia win. Stig has not ruled on the suicide.

If we have 1 original and 1 convert (mathematically the most likely option), then XD suiciding leaves us with a 4-2 scenario.

Lynching a known innocent who was subsequently converted would be valuable in lengthening the game, but would not generate a win.

Each of the 5 unattacked players should post a set of reasons why they should not be considered a FoS as an H-seller/convert. Let us have a goodly statement that we can compare against your record and thus confirm your innocence.

GeneralHankerchief

07-14-2007, 16:53

Unvote: Xdeath
Vote: Beefy

I was investigated by the Detective (whose name I will not say) and found innocent. This was before the one conversion that took place.

As far as why I'm not the convert, I've been a target now since basically the second round. The salesmen wouldn't want to "kill" me, and I'd be a waste of an attempted conversion since I could easily get lynched at any time.

Personally I don't think this explanation is necessary since the game will almost surely be over with this dual lynch/suicide.

Stig

07-14-2007, 17:31

If Xdeath suicides then you will have to vote someone else, he's dead anyway

Andres

07-14-2007, 18:07

If Xdeath suicides then you will have to vote someone else, he's dead anyway

Since Xdeath is dead, this is the list of living players:

Beefy
Andres
Caius (aka mr. difficult name)
Prole
Sasaki
GH

Tally:

Beefy : 3 (Andres, Prole, GH)
GH: 1 (Beefy)

Stig

07-14-2007, 19:19

And with that we end the day

Day 6 is over, Night 7 has begun

Beefy has been lynched, write up if I find time (bloody life)

Tally:

Beefy : 3 (Andres, Prole, GH)
GH: 1 (Beefy)
No Voting: 2 (Sasaki, Caius) (they had a vote on Xdeath)

Send your PMs I will clear my inbox

seireikhaan

07-14-2007, 21:38

FOS: Sasaki. Haven't been attacked yet, I've just got a bad feeling regarding him.

Caius

07-14-2007, 22:47

Andres
Caius (aka mr. difficult name)
Prole
Sasaki
GH
I want everyone hear the opinion of the remaining alive.

EDIT:Deleted Beefy as he is dead.

GeneralHankerchief

07-15-2007, 00:39

I want everyone hear the opinion of the remaining alive.

Okay, you first.

Seamus Fermanagh

07-15-2007, 03:39

Okay, you first.

Pipe down, Hanky, you already summed yourself above!

:devilish:

seireikhaan

07-15-2007, 18:05

*Final Jeapordy theme song plays*

And the results are...

Stig

07-15-2007, 18:21

Night 7 is over, Day 7 has begun (and I seriously don't have the time to come with a write-up, even more because I miss 1 PM and therefore I couldn't conclude this game).

Caius sitting outside his house when he saw two men in black suits approaching. Afraid of black things as he was he started running the other direction and out of town. The easiest conversion the salesmen had till now.

Still alive (4):
Andres
Prole
Sasaki
GH

"Killed:"
Sigurd
Seamus
Pevergreen
DG
Faust
Roadkill
Ichigo
WM
Khaan
CA
Shlin
Omanes
Tran
Xdeathfire
Beefy
Caius (aka mr. difficult name)

WoG:
Lorenzo
Twilightblade

So you still need to vote, as both sides still can win.
Day will be over once all have voted, no need to let it take any longer.

Sigurd

07-15-2007, 18:48

One original Heineken salesman left...

The last of three... The Godfather so to speak.
We have let you think you could get away with it until the last round.
The finish line is just ahead and the sweat beads on your forehead speak of nervous anticipation.

Then BAM!!!
The Dragon stands in your path. You can’t get around and try to flee the other way.
Maybe he hadn’t noticed. Then you hear him speak.
“Going anywhere SASAKI?!”
You look back and the Dragon stands there with a smirk.
“GAME OVER Mafioso!!”

Vote, people … vote:Sasaki!!

Warmaster Horus

07-15-2007, 19:15

That's a rather ... original way of presenting your view, Sigurd.

Not that I disagree.

Andres

07-15-2007, 22:48

Vote : Sasaki

Caius

07-15-2007, 22:54

and I seriously don't have the time to come with a write-up, even more because I miss 1 PM and therefore I couldn't conclude this game
Damn! ****!

GeneralHankerchief

07-15-2007, 23:00

Vote: Andres

Caius

07-15-2007, 23:02

Vote:GeneralHankerchief

Just you guys see it, Im not voting.

GeneralHankerchief

07-15-2007, 23:03

Unfortunately, you are dead and thus have no vote.

Caius

07-15-2007, 23:03

Just you guys see it, Im not voting.

Ahem.

Andres

07-15-2007, 23:05

Vote: Andres

~:confused:

Traitor!

Warmaster Horus

07-15-2007, 23:05

Yes, but using a voting format is bad taste.

What would have been more correct is this:

Lynch GH
Although I disagree.

Gh, why?

GeneralHankerchief

07-15-2007, 23:08

Andres, stop wasting space in my inbox.

I let shlin and Tran go down without a fight. I'm not letting my convert fall that easily.

Caius

07-15-2007, 23:09

Sorry guys, I think the game is over.

GH is mafioso, ahem, a traitor.Im not sure about Sasaki. I think you Andres and Prole go for GH.

Andres

07-15-2007, 23:10

Andres, stop wasting space in my inbox.

I let shlin and Tran go down without a fight. I'm not letting my convert fall that easily.

This doesn't make any sense. If you and SK are both Heineken, it will always be a tie. Next night you guys have two kills and game over.

If you and Sasaki are both Heineken, there wouldn't be another day.

I don't understand the logic.

GeneralHankerchief

07-15-2007, 23:11

In case you haven't noticed, it will be a 2-2 tie. That means there won't be a lynch and we'll be free to kill the final two innocents in the night. So yes, victory is imminent, but not for the town.

-edit- Andres, this round wasn't even supposed to happen. Sasaki missed his kill on Prole. I don't know why Stig extended it, but there's not a point. The game is over.

Andres

07-15-2007, 23:14

GeneralHankerchief

07-15-2007, 23:17

Hah, any of them people that I would miss?

Andres

07-15-2007, 23:19

Hah, any of them people that I would miss?

If the day ends in a tie and I am succesfull in the next night, the game will end in a draw.

Don't be too confident GH...

You haven't won yet. And you can stop your show. We all know Sasaki is the last remaining original salesman.

GeneralHankerchief

07-15-2007, 23:22

If you want to believe that, go right ahead. :laugh4:

But I beg you, answer this question:

If Sasaki (whom you say is an original salesman) got investigated and came up innocent, then why ever would my scenario be different?

Caius

07-15-2007, 23:23

Who was the detective?

GeneralHankerchief

07-15-2007, 23:23

khaan of course.

Andres

07-15-2007, 23:25

If Sasaki (whom you say is an original salesman) got investigated and came up innocent, then why ever would my scenario be different?

You came up innocent as well after investigation...

GeneralHankerchief

07-15-2007, 23:27

My point exactly.

Caius

07-15-2007, 23:32

My point exactly.
I hope Prole come here and vote.

Andres

07-15-2007, 23:33

My point exactly.

You were more innocent...

~;)

GeneralHankerchief

07-15-2007, 23:35

Andres

07-15-2007, 23:43

Let me explain.

There are two scenarios: either Sasaki is the one you need to get rid of, or I am.

If Scenario 1 is true:

khaan investigates Sasaki (an original salesman) in Round 2. He comes up innocent.

Therefore, assuming of course Sasaki is the one you're after, it is proven that a salesman at the time of investigation can come up innocent.

Now that we've hashed that out, let's move on to Scenario 2: I am the one you're after. khaan can investigate me and there is the possibility that I can (and did) come up innocent.

No GH.

At the time of your investigation, khaan discovered you never drank Heineken.

At the time of Sasaki's investigation, khaan learned that Sasaki did not drink Heineken that particular night.

The difference was subtle, but it was clear enough.

Unfortunately, our detective didn't know that it was possible to have an innocent on a guilty target and therefor he didn't pay attention to the minor, subtle difference in the results.

That's the only reason why Sasaki is still alive: a misinterpretation from or a mistake in the role pm of the detective.

Come on GH, you were a good townie once, before the evil Heineken salesmen converted you. I know that, deep in your heart, you hate Heineken. You really do. Come back to the Light side of the Force. Vote Sasaki.

Sasaki, come to the Light Side. Heineken sucks. It really does. Vote yourself! Vote Sasaki the evil Heineken salesman and become Sasaki, the real beer drinker.

Prole, vote Sasaki.

Andres

07-15-2007, 23:48

Come on guys. Vote Sasaki. All of you. Do it for Sigurd. It's his birthday today.

GeneralHankerchief

07-15-2007, 23:48

I'd rather leave it up to chance, thanks.

Seamus Fermanagh

07-16-2007, 00:43

Heineken?

I still can't quite supress the horror of it all.....

Proletariat

07-16-2007, 02:00

Vote: Sasaki

Sigurd

07-16-2007, 08:14

So you still need to vote, as both sides still can win.
Day will be over once all have voted, no need to let it take any longer.
Do you fear us Mafiosi? you should. Make sure you vote for the same player. :evilgrin:

Stig

07-16-2007, 09:15

-edit- Andres, this round wasn't even supposed to happen. Sasaki missed his kill on Prole. I don't know why Stig extended it, but there's not a point. The game is over.
Actually no, the game isn't over yet ... town still can win ... sort of ... atleast draw

GeneralHankerchief

07-16-2007, 15:09

Do you fear us Mafiosi? you should. Make sure you vote for the same player. :evilgrin:

If Sasaki ever gets on I'm sure that can be arranged.

Sasaki Kojiro

07-16-2007, 15:17

Vote:Andres

methinks we won already

proxy killing is usually allowed

was away this weekend

good game

Andres

07-16-2007, 15:22

Vote:Andres

methinks we won already

proxy killing is usually allowed

was away this weekend

good game

Vote yourself. It's Sigurds' birthday.

seireikhaan

07-16-2007, 17:41

Bah, screw this game. Stig, here's a hint for your future games: *inhales deeply*

DON'T LIE TO THE DETECTIVE! IT WILL REALLY PISS HIM OFF A LOT! NOT TO MENTION IT WILL SERIOUSLY @#$%! UP THE TOWN!:veryangry2:

Warmaster Horus

07-16-2007, 17:48

Well, you know, sellers aren't necessarily users...

Okay, I admit it was a bit unfair of Stig to do that...

seireikhaan

07-16-2007, 17:53

Well, you know, sellers aren't necessarily users...

Okay, I admit it was a bit unfair of Stig to do that...

Oh nooooooo, that's not what pisses me off, actually. When this game finishes, I'll quote my role PM and you'll see EXACTLY what I'm so pissed about.

Caius

07-16-2007, 19:33

Andres, vote now to Sasaki!

That will be tie!!!

shlin28

07-16-2007, 19:42

Or vote no lynch, and let the mafia win!!! (since the town is gonna lose anyway...)

:cheerleader::cheerleader::cheerleader:GO MAFIA:cheerleader::cheerleader::cheerleader:

Stig

07-16-2007, 19:51

Well, you know, sellers aren't necessarily users...

Okay, I admit it was a bit unfair of Stig to do that...
Hey, I was utterly cryptic, sides I can't tell you every secret of the game. The town got loads of advantages over the mafia ... against any normal mafia you would already would have won.

Day over btw

Stig

07-16-2007, 19:54

Day 7 is over, Night 8 had begun. This is the final night fase

And it's a draw, how strange

Tally:
Andres: 2 (GH, Sasaki)
Sasaki: 2 (Prole, Andres)

seireikhaan

07-16-2007, 19:55

GRRRR!!!!! You were NOT cryptic at all in my role PM.

Stig

07-16-2007, 20:05

GRRRR!!!!! You were NOT cryptic at all in my role PM.
Nope, but if I would be detective, and I would get the same PM after searching Sasaki I would have given it second thoughts at least. That's how I work, from my point of view, because I don't know yours.

Remember that the town can still win.

seireikhaan

07-16-2007, 20:14

Nope, but if I would be detective, and I would get the same PM after searching Sasaki I would have given it second thoughts at least. That's how I work, from my point of view, because I don't know yours.

Remember that the town can still win.

At this point, I'm not quite as concerned about victory, its more about the principle of the fact that you outright lied to me, the detective. I don't consider that to be ethical behaviour by the game moderator.

Stig

07-16-2007, 20:27

Well that's your problem, but I started this game thinking: I won't tell everything
Just as I didn't tell everything to the mafia, ask them
I did not lie, I simply did not tell everything, that's different. If you don't like it, tough luck

GeneralHankerchief

07-16-2007, 20:34

I'll take Andres tonight.

Andres

07-16-2007, 21:08

I'll take Andres tonight.

https://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3591/clinteastwoodpk7.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

Go ahead, make my day...

Warmaster Horus

07-16-2007, 21:09

You do realize, Stig, that there's a very small line between those two things.

And how can the town still win?

Seamus Fermanagh

07-16-2007, 21:09

Night 8 Orders:

No change, I'll just stay dead. :smartass2:

Caius

07-16-2007, 21:10

Oh well, we made our best effort to win.

GeneralHankerchief

07-16-2007, 21:12

No matter what happens, I think I have the best chance of staying alive.

It is extremely likely that both Andres and Prole will go down tonight and they will take Sasaki with them, leaving me as the sole survivor. Which of course, is fine by me. :evilgrin:

Stig

07-16-2007, 21:16

You do realize, Stig, that there's a very small line between those two things.

And how can the town still win?
If I roll a 4, 5 or 6 on the vigilante kill

Caius

07-16-2007, 21:17

If I roll a 4, 5 or 6 on the vigilante kill
A vigilante?

:huh:

GeneralHankerchief

07-16-2007, 21:18

Oh yeah, Prole and Andres are both vigilantes. That's what has complicated things a bit.

Stig

07-16-2007, 21:18

You will find out after the night m8

Sigurd

07-17-2007, 07:17

Stig

07-17-2007, 20:10

Night 8 is over, Game is over.

Prole and Andres were walking through a deserted town. Houses were empty, streets were empty. At the end of the road they could still see the house of Omanes, behind the crates of Heineken.
In this deserted town Andres was doing his best Clint Eastwood impression, slowly he walked towards the now empty pub. He forced the door and he and Prole walked in.
In it were two men.
"We've come to get you," Prole said, "your fun is over Sasaki, and yours too GH, I thought you were with us."
"Things change, times change. I'm an opportunist, I do what suits me best," said GH.
Andres reached for his pocket and Sasaki and GH took a step back:
"It's over face it, Heineken will never have a place in Gah-village, get out, now you still can!"
And Andres got a bottle of his home made beer from his pocket and drank it.
"We do what we want," said Sasaki, "afterall we're Heineken."
Sasaki grapped for a bottle of Heineken and threw it in Andres direction. Andres who missed a proper reactionspeed due to the fact he drinks beer was to late to avoid it and was hit unconsicous.
In reaction Prole took a teaspoon from here pocket and threw it at Sasaki, who started laughing, got the teaspoon up his throat and couldn't breath anymore. He fled outside, could be heard vomiting, but was never seen again.
GH, smarter then the lot simply pulled out a gun and when Prole saw this she fled the pub and with this town.

GH was left on his own in Gah-village. His former friends were gone, and his employers were gone. Everything was gone for him ... so he walked into the pub again and poured himself a beer.

Game over
And I don't know what to call this, both sides reached their victory limits, so we'll make it a:
DRAW

Still alive (4):
GH (succesfully converted Weak Townie)

"Killed:"
Sigurd
Seamus (Father Ferdinand, the Doctor)
Pevergreen
DG
Faust
Roadkill
Ichigo (Heineken Salesman)
WM
Khaan (Barman Joe, the Detective)
CA
Shlin (Heineken Salesman)
Omanes
Tran (Weak Townie)
Xdeathfire
Beefy (Weak Townie)
Caius (aka mr. difficult name)
Andres (Lambik, a vigilante role. Special victory condition was killing the Doctor himself)
Prole (Hyacinth Bucket (you might know her), a vigilante role. Special victory condition was killing the Detective herself)
Sasaki (Heineken Salesman)

WoG:
Lorenzo
Twilightblade

seireikhaan

07-17-2007, 20:18

Well Khaan you got the detective role, for which I decided to name you:

Barman Joe

As a barman you talk to everyone visiting your pub, and yes everyone visits your pub. And you don't want people to go and drink Heineken, as it's cheap and you will make less profit, so you ask them what beer they prefer, and you know that only Heineken drinkers will answer "Heineken", and you also know that every good villagers would rather leave town out of embarrasment than drink Heineken. So everyone who says he drinks Heineken is evil. However asking the question over and over again is too obvious, so you only dare to ask it once a night

IE. you PM me with a name every night fase and I'll tell you if that person is quilty or not.
If you have any questions ask me.

Stig

Sasaki didn't drink any Heineken last night

This is where you lied, Stig. As I made clear from the role PM, you told me that you would tell me whether or not they were innocent. This is not what you told me, you told me whether or not they were doing scummy activity that night.

Stig

07-17-2007, 20:23

Khaan I said: if you don't like it, tough luck

I simply didn't tell you anything, ever heard of doing something on your own? Geez show some initiative, I simply won't give you every secret of the game, would I do that the fun would be over. Would the town have won I would have never heard anything about this from you.

To me a PM saying:
Sasaki didn't drink any Heineken last night
Would sound atleast dubious, if you see it otherwise, tough luck

And that's the last I've said of it, be glad a mafiagame atleast managed to finish, or do better yourself.

Omanes Alexandrapolites

07-17-2007, 20:28

Good game Stig. Thanks for hosting.

Proletariat

07-17-2007, 20:37

Good game stig, and thanks for a very cool role.

Warmaster Horus

07-17-2007, 20:41

Good game, of course.

First to end in a Draw, I think.

Andres

07-17-2007, 20:54

gg Stig :2thumbsup:

I had alot of fun.

And my special role was just perfect ~:cheers:

Caius

07-17-2007, 21:21

Gg.

Andres

07-17-2007, 21:58

This is where you lied, Stig. As I made clear from the role PM, you told me that you would tell me whether or not they were innocent. This is not what you told me, you told me whether or not they were doing scummy activity that night.

The way I see it GK, I would have asked Stig if it was possible to have an innocent result on a guilty target.

Because the rules stated there were 3 salesmen that get 2 kills every night, I would have asked him : "What will be the result if I investigate a Heineken salesman that doesn't perform a kill on the night of invesitgation?".

That's what I usually do: if I get a role in a mafia game, I spam the hosts' inbox with a lot of questions (most of them utterly useless), trying to cover all options, to a degree of getting ridiculous. Everything that is not 100 % clear or that is still open for interpretation needs to be sorted out. I make the host earn his pay check. And in the process, he might mistakenly give away some clues too :grin:

But off course that's just my control freakish personality.

Bah, I think it's just one big misunderstanding and nobody really is to blame. Give each other a virtual hug and forget about it :knuddel: It's just a game anyway.

All in all, you did a great job as a detective and you managed to stay alive until very late in the game :bow:

Oh, and I almost forgot: Congratulations mafia ! Well played :bow:

I suspected Sasaki to be the converted one. Guess I was close. And GH fooled me all the way :shame:

Sigurd

07-17-2007, 22:16

Yeah.. good game Stig.
It was fun and thrilling right up to the end.

Contrary to Andres I had a feeling that GH was the converted one.
That is why I didn't inform him of what was going on.
But then I fed that wolf Sasaki with incriminating information of what was going on behing the scenes.
To bad the vigilantes only had a 50% chance of succeeding, otherwise it would have been game over for the mafia last round.
Andres even made an attempt on GH before GH was converted.

Ichigo was easy to spot... And was on our list early (Seamus' list).
I nailed Shlin with a little trap and we thought Tran was the last one as he desperately tried to save Shlin from the gallows.
We removed the other possible converts though, that counts for something.
I bet Xdeath's suicide was a suprise for the mafia.. it was for us. Too bad we lynched Beefy that I had pegged as innocent by the trap I sprung on Shlin.
The detective, a law-abiding player, wouldn't quote his pm's and therefore we never actually received the wording of the innocent reads. When we finally did it was clear that Sasaki's read was different than GH's.
This came in the eleventh hour and we had one chance of correcting our mistakes. Sadly Andres failed again.
Only Prole had some luck with her attempts.

Good game Ichigo, Shlin, Sasaki and GH it was a pleasure to contend against you.

Seamus Fermanagh

07-17-2007, 23:46

Fun game.

Didn't know Andres was hunting me too :dizzy: -- but then again I brewed my own brew, so..... Had I not been heinekilled so early on, I might have saved a person or two and helped edge the draw into a win -- but since I was revealing info to Andres at the time I would have guaranteed my own death! Doomed....doomed...doomed in all mafia games. :shame:

Glad I was able to spot Ichi and Shlin -- though I was never quite as certain as Sigurd makes me seem. Both twiged the radar for different reasons. Sasaki slipped past me though.

Well played, Sasaki. You have been redoing your 4+/ppp average downward for several games now, so that when a mafia role occurred, your NOT posting as voluminously wouldn't get you killed. I admire long term thinking. :yes:

Good play all.

Csargo

07-17-2007, 23:55

Tran

07-18-2007, 00:05

Good game :medievalcheers:

Too bad, I should have kept lurking and not defended shlin, I thought he was innocent

pevergreen

07-18-2007, 01:10

Bah! Who killed me?

GeneralHankerchief

07-18-2007, 01:33

WOOHOO! I am DA MAN!!! :medievalcheers:

Bah! Who killed me?

One of the vigs.

Here's our commentary I guess:

http://www.quicktopic.com/39/H/KdDVtSpLF4J78

Csargo

07-18-2007, 01:36

WOOHOO! I am DA MAN!!! :medievalcheers:

One of the vigs.

Here's our commentary I guess:

http://www.quicktopic.com/39/H/KdDVtSpLF4J78

Not extremely interesting.

I killed you Sigurd. :shrug: Someone has to die first. :grin:

GeneralHankerchief

07-18-2007, 01:47

A couple of points/questions:

Contrary to Andres I had a feeling that GH was the converted one.

About what time on was this? After I PM'd you regarding shlin?

That is why I didn't inform him of what was going on.

Info reached me anyway. Thank you Sasaki. :evilgrin:

I bet Xdeath's suicide was a suprise for the mafia.. it was for us.

Not really... we were glad that it was one less person we had to kill.

Good game Ichigo, Shlin, Sasaki and GH it was a pleasure to contend against you.

Indeed. It's always a fun challenge going against you. :bow:

I think all in all neither side was as in control as we thought privately.

Sasaki Kojiro

07-18-2007, 02:41

Good game, a draw is the best result I think since there were a few problems.

I'm a big fan of explicit pm messages. Misleading the detective is never a good thing even if he should have figured it sooner.

pm'ing to dead rules and private reveal rules. After a few rounds there was a giant pro town mason group going. None of them were meant to be masons.

suicides shouldn't be allowed. Otherwise townies can suicide before being lynched and the next player will be lynched. This effectively gives the town 2 lynches.

seireikhaan

07-18-2007, 06:36

Well, good game anyways, Stig. It was exciting to the end, and despite the irritation, I still mostly enjoyed myself. I guess you and I just differ in our approaches to the game. And of course, good game, mafia. If only Sasaki had been heinekilling that night instead...

Sigurd

07-18-2007, 08:08

Not extremely interesting.

I killed you Sigurd. :shrug: Someone has to die first. :grin:

Yeah, yeah... good choice I wonder?
You did well though... I almost believed you, but not so much as to stop Prole for going after you.

Sigurd

07-18-2007, 08:12

About what time on was this? After I PM'd you regarding shlin?

The concensus was that we believed you got converted at the time of your conversion.
We also had a quicktopic going : http://www.quicktopic.com/39/H/fk9m4s8Xstqc/p-1.16.0
It will be our commentary.

Indeed. It's always a fun challenge going against you. :bow:
I think all in all neither side was as in control as we thought privately.
True :laugh4:

Csargo

07-18-2007, 08:15

Yeah, yeah... good choice I wonder?
You did well though... I almost believed you, but not so much as to stop Prole for going after you.

Probably not now, but at the time it was. I had nothing left to lose, I didn't think you would stop the kill though it was worth a try.

Sigurd

07-18-2007, 08:28

Pm'ing to dead rules and private reveal rules. After a few rounds there was a giant pro town mason group going. None of them were meant to be masons.

I disagree a tad here... When the town are up against pro-mafia they need to organizie.
If I had stayed silent, it would have been another walkover for you guys.
Too many games are won by the mafia. In this game you had the potential of having 6 mafia (including the weak townies).
In addition you had only the doctor and detective as pro-town.
The vigilantes were neutral and had victory conditions of their own.

This was a typical game that needed to involve the dead and I think Stig had balanced it into the game as he never mentioned it was illegal. No quoting of pm's that was the rule and we both broke it.

Stig

07-18-2007, 11:44

No quoting of pm's that was the rule and we both broke it
And now you tell me :furious3:
The dead are allowed to play ... and needed to be allowed to play as otherwise I knew this game would die.
And actually the vigilantes were Pro-Town, as they needed to have a Town Victory to win themselves.

The problem is is that I don't know what the townies are PM'ing and what's wrong with it.

Sigurd

07-18-2007, 12:03

And actually the vigilantes were Pro-Town, as they needed to have a Town Victory to win themselves.

Yes but they had a dual win condition if I read you right. Andres were after the Doctor (not particular pro-town) and Prole was after the Detective (not very pro-town either).
IOW, they had a choice of hunting mafia or the pro-town roles = neutral.

Stig

07-18-2007, 13:49

Yup I added in those victory conditions for them to balance out the game (vigilantes are quite strong). Sides I thought it was fun to have them make a choice.

Andres

07-18-2007, 13:55

I didn't quote anything from my role pm. I only translated parts of it from Dutch to English. And I never told anybody about my personal victory condition. As for my vigilante role, that's what you correctly deducted, but I didn't tell that either.

And GK didn't quote his investigation results, he babelfished them to Dutch.

:bow:

Stig

07-18-2007, 13:56

Bastards :furious3:

Proletariat

07-18-2007, 14:00

Bastards? Were we not allowed to discuss our roles whatsoever? I just told Sig about Hyacinth Bucket when he died, on a lark I could get plugged in with some townies or at least have another mind working along with me. My minor victory condition would've been ridiculous to go for, I thought about it, but the chance of me single handedly figuring out who the detective was before the mafia, and also getting him lynched was nil. So I cast that aside and went for the townie victory. Oh well.

Sorry if we screwed up your game, Stig. But I still don't understand why you're upset.

Stig

07-18-2007, 14:02

You were allowed to claim roles ... as I said in the rules. But nothing more really. You could say: "Hey I'm vigilante", you can't say "Hey I'm vigilante: here's the evidence, in Dutch so I don't quote the PM"

But I could have suspected it about Andres ... he tends to translate things to Dutch and English very easely to contact people ~D

And I'm not entirely happy that the Town has it's own secret forum, that the Mafia use it, I can understand, so they can't be seen PM'ing, but the town using it goes too far.

Andres

07-18-2007, 14:10

But I could have suspected it about Andres ... he tends to translate things to Dutch and English very easely to contact people ~D

Look who's talking :laugh4:

You were the first to do so, I believe in Kommo's game (CN II).

Hypocrisy...

Stig

07-18-2007, 14:11

I so did not

Side, you asked me to ~D

Andres

07-18-2007, 14:14

And I'm not entirely happy that the Town has it's own secret forum, that the Mafia use it, I can understand, so they can't be seen PM'ing, but the town using it goes too far.

1. The rules didn't forbid it;
2. It isn't secret, it is on the internet, anybody stumbling on it could have posted there.

I so did not

Side, you asked me to ~D

Lies...

Stig

07-18-2007, 14:24

1. The rules didn't forbid it;
The rules didn't expect it :whip:

Sigurd

07-18-2007, 14:56

And I'm not entirely happy that the Town has it's own secret forum, that the Mafia use it, I can understand, so they can't be seen PM'ing, but the town using it goes too far.
I think this trend is going to continue and hence game hosts should factor it in. It worked well in this game and the opposing sides were having a ball. If however the detective results would have been unambiguous the game would have been over a couple of rounds ago in the favour of the town.

I particular liked the “aha” moments and the thriller this game must have been for both the town and the mafia.
Games with twists are particular fun. Thanks to Silver for introducing that in his Godfather series.
Games that are too constricting will be games I don’t play.
Besides… greaterkhaan successfully infiltrated the town in Kung Fu mafia and Sasaki in this game. This is something the town will have to contend with in future games.
Games where the dead is rendered powerless are short games for most players and hence not fun. The real challenge for the mafia is to kill off the right players at the right time. By allowing a dead [poet] society the mafia should think more than once of whom they kill. Maybe this will be the answer to the despicable lurking and WoG.

shlin28

07-18-2007, 16:35

Good Game, still have no idea how Andres figured out I am mafia though...

Andres

07-18-2007, 16:52

Good Game, still have no idea how Andres figured out I am mafia though...

Male intuition.

The reasons why I picked you, were the ones I stated in my accusing post.

Allow me to be pretty proud of myself that I managed to find a mafioso based on in thread posts only.

Afterwards, you answered Sigurd that you were the doctor. By doing so, you confirmed my feelings about you (unfortunately for you, we already knew Seamus was the doctor ~;) ).

Tran

07-18-2007, 17:08

Good Game, still have no idea how Andres figured out I am mafia though...
Which is why he became mafia popular target :grin:

shlin28

07-18-2007, 17:09

I already knew who the roles are thanks to GH and Sasaki's leaks, it was a last ditch attempt to dig me out of a hole...

Proletariat

07-18-2007, 18:00

Hi, Sig. By your death, I'm trusting that your innocent. I just got back from Vegas and you're the first person I'm explaining my role to.

I'm Hyacinth Bucket. I like to organize tea-parties and I think anything beer related sucks. So I'm very pro-town and also can attempt a kill each night, but it only has a one of two chance of success.

If you have any good leads on beer men, can you let me know so I can try my chance at murdering them for the good cause of delicious tea?

I thought that was in line with the rules... If it wasn't sorry again, but also, this has been a very fun game. For everyone but the GM and the detective, anyway. :beam: