View Full Version : To cheat...or not to cheat
King Jan III Sobieski
06-25-2007, 16:05
I'm sure this has been posted before, but since I'm a noob to the forum, I'll ask anyway...:dizzy2:
What's everyone's feelings about cheat codes? Do they detract from game play, or add to it? In what way(s)?
:egypt:
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
06-25-2007, 16:10
Now, if you wish to be a slacker (or don't have time), you can, but I highly advise it.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
06-25-2007, 16:33
I, myself, dislike cheating - I find most cheats ruin the game for me - it gives the player an unnatural edge over the already disadvantaged AI. Some cheats, however, do exactly the opposite and provide the AI an advantage instead. These cheats, on the other hand, I often use to liven up the game once I have reached the stage where steamrolling the map is all too easy due to an unrealistically huge treasury.
I never cheat.
Imho, cheating takes away the fun and ruins the whole game experience.
Weebeast
06-25-2007, 17:42
In a competitive human-human game I don't cheat like say...Day of Defeat (play it regulary every Friday, my Steam name is Firebird if you're interested playing with me). I'm too old for that. I don't see the merit. I know what I can and can't do.
I like basically any kinds of trainers/cheat codes. For example, I love this -ian extension though and used it most of the time I played MTW campaign. I'm no longer playing a game but more of like directing a movie. It takes more time to do but yeah the fun is so invaluable that I'm eager to invest more time.
I'm sure this has been posted before, but since I'm a noob to the forum, I'll ask anyway...:dizzy2:
What's everyone's feelings about cheat codes? Do they detract from game play, or add to it? In what way(s)?
:egypt: I never use cheats unless playing has become annoying in some way.
Cheats can -- depending on the circumstances -- add or detract from gameplay. But this term is a bit vaguely defined to me.
And welcome by the way. May your stay be joyous.
It depends on the 'cheat'. I use toggle_fow regularly to see how other nations are developing and add_money to prop up those factions which are struggling, particularly if they are at war with me. Used in this way, 'cheats' are informative and can actually make the game harder, rather than easier.
I dont use cheats, but I have to admit i used cheats in AoE II
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
06-26-2007, 01:37
Yea, I used to use Cheats in AOE2/AOE3,and Quest for Glory, but that about it..
I don't use cheat codes as a rule, but I do make exceptions from time to time. The most notable exception would be the ".unfreeze." code in MTW, which I occasionally use if I'm in danger of losing the game because I have no heirs to take over from my aging faction leader. (And when I mean I have no heirs, I mean including royal uncles that might fight each other for the throne -- I'd rather have to fight a civil war and lose half my territories in the process before I resort to using cheat codes.) I truly do limit my use of cheat codes to cases of extreme necessity only, but I will use them.
Come to think of it... I don't use cheats at all (and I hardly play games too). At best I would seek a walkthrough befitting necessity and rid myself therefrom as soon as possible to continue enjoying the game.
And for a series like TW I would not even look for a walkthrough for it would never be necessary (in most cases).
macsen rufus
06-26-2007, 16:36
Normally I don't use cheats, but as I've been working on mods recently, I tend to run in -ian mode now, and do lots of faction switching for testing purposes and I use the worksundays and deadringer etc when I can't spend too much time working my way through to upgrades etc.
Outside testing though, all I ever do is the odd matteosartori.....
.... oh alright, I admit that when I've been in a tight spot I have switched factions so that I can send nubile foreign princesses to my heirs :embarassed:
I'm sure this has been posted before, but since I'm a noob to the forum, I'll ask anyway...:dizzy2:
What's everyone's feelings about cheat codes? Do they detract from game play, or add to it? In what way(s)?
:egypt:
Cheat codes have ruined way too many games for me to ever use them anymore.
The only time I have used them without losing interest in a game was to go through the starcraft campaign so I could experience all the units before going online.
In RTW, the only cheat I avail myself of is the reload button when something bad happens (loss of an assassin or a general stupidly forgotten on the field of battle suddenly decides to do a suicide charge.) Even then, I feel guilty for the rest of the turn. I also never save on anything except the quicksave so If a campaign goes bad I can only restart from one turn back or less...
Stuperman
06-26-2007, 20:12
It depends on the 'cheat'. I use toggle_fow regularly to see how other nations are developing and add_money to prop up those factions which are struggling, particularly if they are at war with me. Used in this way, 'cheats' are informative and can actually make the game harder, rather than easier.
I do the same, toggle_fow is my friend.
AntiochusIII
06-26-2007, 20:50
I cheat like a sailor swearing...and ended up ruining countless games with them. I'm so addicted I even found my way through when there's no simple path to cheating. Now I can't back off from the ruinous habit or I'll suffer withdrawals. :laugh4:
Take from my lesson, Young Padawan, and limit your cheating to the occasional pack!
King Jan III Sobieski
06-27-2007, 13:05
Now, if you wish to be a slacker (or don't have time), you can, but I highly advise it.
:2thumbsup: What's the matter with being a slacker? j/k. Thanks for the input everybody; very interesting.
:tumbleweed:
Plebian#10
06-27-2007, 13:21
I could understand and agree to using cheat codes if the AI handed me my rear end every time I played, however IMHO the AI wins the moment you use a cheat code to get ahead. I never cheat - even if the game gets a little boring at times.
The only times I really liked the cheat codes were for AOE (the "Big Daddy" Cars and the ICBM troopers and the like) and in AOE 2 where it was just fun to have as much resources as I wanted (after having beat the game without cheats of course!) I think that they can add a dimension of fun to the gameplay after you have already beaten the game. Other than that, I try to avoid them...
pockettank
06-27-2007, 15:32
Normally I don't use cheats, but as I've been working on mods recently, I tend to run in -ian mode now, and do lots of faction switching for testing purposes and I use the worksundays and deadringer etc when I can't spend too much time working my way through to upgrades etc.
Outside testing though, all I ever do is the odd matteosartori.....
.... oh alright, I admit that when I've been in a tight spot I have switched factions so that I can send nubile foreign princesses to my heirs :embarassed:
what exactly is -ian mode?
The only cheat that really affects the gameplay that I use is toggle_fow:
I think it's pretty ridiculous to have characters (and more important: to recruit these characters!) travel all over the map just to know how the other factions are doing...especially since your given all this diplomatic information just like that...
And this is an exception to my "usual behavior", I usually only use cheats that are fun to see, In example: give_trait_feck#
macsen rufus
06-29-2007, 09:53
what exactly is -ian mode?
It's a debugging mode left in from game development (like most of the so-called "cheats" - what makes a game easier to test and develop provides an exploit when left in for players to find.) You use it by amending the target line in your shortcut, so that "C:/ProgFiles/MTW.exe" is changed to "C:/ProgFiles/MTW.exe" -ian
This allows you to switch factions by using ctrl 1-0 and shift 1-0 (as you can probably guess this only allows you to switch between 20 factions - ctrl-1 is the rebel faction). The map can be revealed simply by typing "G" instead of .matteosartori. (much easier :2thumbsup: ). Oh and the battlemap camera is totally unlocked so you can get a satellite view if you like (more useful for editing battlemaps than anything, really). There are other "God mode" commands, but that's pretty much all I use - it's mostly for testing purposes (ie when you've put in twenty new factions worth of names you don't want to play 20 campaigns to see if they all translate properly....)
I think that most people who use -ian tend to use it to play as the rebels :charge:
Rotc_Railey15
06-29-2007, 13:09
Hey guys. Im new so....
DO any of you know how to use the force diplomacy cheat??? Im playing as Seleciud Empire and I want to turn Parthia into a client kingdom. Ive entered the cheat exactly how it has been posted on sites
force_diplomacy accept/decline/off
But it wont work....:inquisitive:
Warmaster Horus
06-29-2007, 17:22
It won't work because it doesn't work. It's always been like that to my knowledge.
There's a force diplomacy mod but only for XGM and EB.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
06-29-2007, 17:24
Hi Rotc_Railey15,
I'm sorry to say that the "force diplomacy" cheat, unfortunately, never has worked correctly. There is a script which can enable you to force a faction to submit to your demands, but, unfortunately, it's EB only. Sorry.
BTW, Warmaster Horus beat me to it.
Rotc_Railey15
06-29-2007, 21:27
Oh. Ah well. Thanks. I was wondering why it didnt work. The only cheat im using is bestbuy and toggle_fow only if I really need to see whats going on in the world.
I never use cheats unless playing has become annoying in some way.
Cheats can -- depending on the circumstances -- add or detract from gameplay. But this term is a bit vaguely defined to me.
And welcome by the way. May your stay be joyous.
Same. Sometimes I do when I am annoyed, but like most of you all, I just do the toggle_fow commands to see the whole map. Other than that, the cheats are really unnecessary.
I do cheat in Neverwinter Nights to give my characters a bazillion Xp so I can play with leveling...and occasionally in fps games if I want to rush through levels...but other than that, noper-oo.
The Darkhorn
06-30-2007, 17:37
I guess I agree with Martok. The only one I have used occassionally (MTW:VI) is: .unfreeze. so that I don't lose a game in 1442 like I did once with no heirs.
:furious3:
I have tested many of the others, but they somehow leave me feeling unsatisfied.
TruePraetorian
07-01-2007, 19:31
i will admit i do cheat, but only if i have beaten the campaign mode about 1,000 times to add some sort of lysterine like freshness, or when im playin with some buddies and the programed AI doesnt have the necesary scripts, like accepting territories for free, etc. otherwise i HIGHLY dissaprove of them, they ruin the game:thumbsdown: ...
TruePraetorian
07-01-2007, 19:34
Oh. Ah well. Thanks. I was wondering why it didnt work. The only cheat im using is bestbuy and toggle_fow only if I really need to see whats going on in the world.
And to help, if you really want that client kingdom, get 1,000,000 denarii with the add_money cheat and give them it, they almost always accept (give them map information, too).
Hope this helped:2thumbsup:
tynnmahn
07-07-2007, 16:34
I use auto_win if I know for sure that I would win and don't feel like taking the time to fight on the battle map. It is generally better to take the time to fight the battle because you usually get a more decisive win though.
Also, the force diplomacy comes in handy sometimes because the ai is so retarded.
doombringer
07-07-2007, 17:06
Is there a list of tested, working cheats anywhere?
cos i'm testing a few to see what they're like and am having trouble weeding out the faulty ones.
thanks
doom
doombringer
07-07-2007, 17:11
Is there a list of tested, working cheats anywhere?
cos i'm testing a few to see what they're like and am having trouble weeding out the faulty ones.
thanks
doom
also, since i cant edit...
what is the trait 'feck' and what does it do
I think Feck is the "Foul Mouth" trait.
And cheating in this game is completely unnecessary, unless you're doing it to make the poor, poor, retarded AI stronger. It's just way too easy.
TruePraetorian
07-08-2007, 18:27
...Also, the force diplomacy comes in handy sometimes because the ai is so retarded.
:dizzy2: Who what when where and how do you use that one? I have tried that one in every possible form (even ones that don't say force or diplomacy) and it doesn't work...
I may not cheat alot but it would always be useful when that stupid AI has one city, you have 2 armies in his territory, offer him 10k and he still says something like "Our people are too proud to be the slaves of any man.."
Sure, you say that to a diplomat but what about 7,000 bored and hateful Roman Legions?:help:
If someone replys "It has never worked" or "doesn't work" ill understand...i've heard them all before...but is there a mod of some sort that would give you some console commands to alter little things like diplomacy?
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
07-08-2007, 19:01
I think Feck is the "Foul Mouth" trait.
And cheating in this game is completely unnecessary, unless you're doing it to make the poor, poor, retarded AI stronger. It's just way too easy.
Actually. or if you wanna get though the game fast.
Springspartan
07-08-2007, 19:22
i just want to know how to play on mutiplayer is this the site to do that ?:duel: :holiday2:
Warmaster Horus
07-08-2007, 19:23
It doesn't work, Truepraetorian.
There is, however, a mod for EB that enables you to do. And, as far as I know, it's automatically included in the Extended Greek Mod.
Sprinspartan, I personally don't play multiplayer, so someone else will help you out, however, for the sake of preserving the initial thread's topic, could you post your request in a new topic?
Also, please specify with which game you're trying to play multiplayer.
Omanes Alexandrapolites
07-08-2007, 20:37
Hi Springspartan,
I presume, from other posts which you have made, that you are talking about Rome: Total War. The information, other than the patching instructions, contained within this post may be partialally relevant to other TW titles, although I sadly cannot be sure, sorry.
Do you have the latest patches? To play MP you need to have version 1.5 fully operational. To know which patches to install, you will have to check your version, you can do this by entering the options menus and taking a look at the number in the top left hand corner of the screen.
If the number is 1.0 or 1.1 then you first need to patch up to 1.2. The 1.2 patch can be found here (http://games.softpedia.com/progDownload/Rome-Total-War-Patch-Download-5047.html). Next you simply have to download the latest 1.5 patch from here (http://games.softpedia.com/get/Patch/Rome-Total-War-15-Patch.shtml). After you have followed both these instructions and installed both patches, you earn the ability to play MP!
If the number is 1.2 or 1.3, you simply have to download the great 1.5 patch from here (http://games.softpedia.com/get/Patch/Rome-Total-War-15-Patch.shtml). After you have followed both these instructions and installed both patches, you can play MP!
If the number is 1.5, then you don't have to do anything
To access MP, first click on the "Multiplayer" Button on the Main Screen.
After you have done that simply press the "Insert CD Key" button. The screen should come up with an area to type text requesting you to enter your CD-key. You can often find your CD key on the back of your manual. Other likely places are on the disk or on the back of your disk-case. If you are absolutely sure that you don't have a CD Key, then take your game back to who you purchased it from.
Once the key is inserted press the green tick and then press the highest button on the list. Insert the name you want to play with, press the green tick, and enter the world of MP.
Hope this helps you, if you require any more information do not hesitate to ask in a new thread, good luck, cheers!
BTW, guys, I'm sorry for taking this off-topic. To prevent further thread derailment, please do not reply to this post. Thanks!
BTW, woad&fangs, either way works fine, 1.2 or 1.3. I always choose to recommend 1.2 since it is the patching order which the EB team recommend and 1.3 comes with some nasty issues in certain circumstances.
woad&fangs
07-08-2007, 22:03
you can't patch from 1.2 to 1.5. you have to download the 1.3 patch before the 1.5. :focus: , I occasionaly turn off Fog of War to see how the AI is doing in distant lands. I also modded to unlock all factions. Wait does modding count as Cheating? I'm so confused.:dizzy2: Anyways if you have to cheat to beat Vanilla AI that is really sad so I don't use any other cheats.
King Jan III Sobieski
07-09-2007, 03:15
Do cheats work during multiplayer mode:egypt: ? NOT that I would, I was always curious about that and if there were any designed for multiplayer mode.
macsen rufus
07-09-2007, 12:40
I actually used the .unfreeze. cheat for the first time ever over the weekend, but it did me no good! Playing an XL Almoravid campaign for some light relief, I had a new calipha come to power at the age of 23, and all his "uncles" dropped out of succession, so there were no other princes around. No problem, I thought, he's 23, young and virile, he'll soon be up to his ears in sprogs. By age 33 I was beginning to get worried about him.... after a few more battles etc I suddenly realised he's now 46 and STILL no heirs. So I resorted to .unfreeze. and be begat one heir, then promptly died at 52! That's the first time I've lost a campaign due to having no heirs :no:
TruePraetorian
07-09-2007, 22:18
It doesn't work, Truepraetorian.
There is, however, a mod for EB that enables you to do. And, as far as I know, it's automatically included in the Extended Greek Mod. I've heard of that mod...is there anyway to get the specific script? And if not, im using Mundus Magnus and dont know what EG would do...this probably doesn't belong here so sorry!
seign_thelas
07-10-2007, 20:48
They can do both, if used correctly. Cheating a bit to make the game more interesting, and perhaps, sometimes, more challenging, is completely acceptable. But cheating to the point where you unbalance the game is, well, just cheating. :laugh4:
KukriKhan
07-11-2007, 02:44
Tough call; good question. Excellent thread. :thumbsup:
Kansas Bear
07-13-2007, 03:47
I'm sure this has been posted before, but since I'm a noob to the forum, I'll ask anyway...:dizzy2:
What's everyone's feelings about cheat codes? Do they detract from game play, or add to it? In what way(s)?
:egypt:
I don't use cheats.:thumbsdown:
Robin From Da Hood
07-13-2007, 12:22
NO CHEATS FOR ME :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: Only players who don't know to play this game use cheats
Shieldmaiden
07-13-2007, 18:42
I'd cheat in SP - if I got very very very bored and I'd completed it, no suprises left...
MP? Never! :stunned:
Galapagos
07-16-2007, 12:40
No cheats for me.
TruePraetorian
07-22-2007, 00:26
No one's got an answer? Oh well....If you get one please DO NOT hesitate to answer :beam: It would really make my day to get force diplomacy working...
It cheat only if the game sucks or Ive already beaten it once without cheats.
Perhaps I am just really stupid, but how would one go about entering a cheat in MTW/VI? If it is mentioned earlier in this thread, I appologize, but I skimmed through it and couldn't find an answer... So, any help would be... well... helpful! Thanks! :2thumbsup:
Perhaps I am just really stupid, but how would one go about entering a cheat in MTW/VI? If it is mentioned earlier in this thread, I appologize, but I skimmed through it and couldn't find an answer... So, any help would be... well... helpful! Thanks! :2thumbsup:
You just type it. No fancy tilde button, just type it during regular play. Be sure to spell it all correctly, as what you type is not displayed anywhere.
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