In what language speak the soldiers? [Archive]

Emp. Conralius

07-15-2002, 01:25

I think there's more to it though, what do the French sound like? Or the Germans? The Spanish? They won't have English/Latin/ or Russian accents. I'm sure they'll all have unique styles and lingoes. I'de hate to see a German speak with a Russian or English accent. Remember, the demo is incomplete...

bruteztrausen

07-15-2002, 01:25

you can´t speak english with latin accent

Kraxis

07-15-2002, 03:30

You have got it wrong...

The latin/russian/arabic is for the units in battle. If you listen to your british archers you can hear the "Teilar entendetea"(sp), "take aim" to us. Or try to put your men on Hold Ground "Resistitea"

For the throne room I think Darkmoore wrote that all factions speak english but the accents of their country. So we get to hear something similar to the to that arrogant portoguese envoy.

Emp. Conralius

07-15-2002, 04:34

Kraxis,
All that I've been saying was pertaining to the room! I really don't pay attention to what the soldiers say on the field.

Emp. Conralius

07-15-2002, 04:35

Bruteztrauzen,
I have no idea what the hell you are talking about...

Kraxis

07-15-2002, 04:51

Emp, bruteztrausen apparently asked about the troops as well, and since he was the one to start this I think answering him has its value, would you not think so? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Also, I made a general post, not pointed at any one person.

He said you can't have a latin accent since everybody talk latin with their own accent. Latin as a native language is dead, thus nobody knows how it really was pronounced.

bruteztrausen

07-15-2002, 06:00

yes it is pronuncied as the spanish but they dont use the "J" and the "LL" and the "Ñ".
And that is very difficult to pronunciate latin in english or french because it has a normative of phonethic.
And I think that it is not just tht all nations speak in englis, they must speak all countries in latin who has the international lenguaje of the epoc.
I hope than in spanish version they speak in my languaje.

Loras

07-15-2002, 07:10

erm, i took latin, it's not hard to pronounce in english

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Emp. Conralius

07-15-2002, 07:53

Kraxis,
Can you be more clear? Now I don't know what your talking about.

Emp. Conralius

07-15-2002, 07:57

OK, this is the bottom line: In the game all factions will speak English (in the UK and American Version) but will have their factions's accent. Ad this is in the strategy map. The strategy map s what I've been talking about the whole time! I really don't care what the troops on the field say. Kraxis, does that compute???!

Bohemond

07-15-2002, 12:12

My friend Emp., maybe read the topic of a thread before you tell off people if they don't pay enough attention to your posts.

In the demo we have Arabic,English,Latin. Arabic of course for muslim factions which is perfect. Poland / Russia should speak Russian which is OK. Spain, Italy and maybe Byzantinum speak Latin which is more or less acceptable.

The real question for me is what language do the French, Germans and Danes speak? I would have prefered to have something that resembles Western European languages in general, instead of having Germans and French speak Latin as it prob. will be now. But I don't have a problem with it.

On the other hand to include French,German,Scandinavian and Greek language folders would be a bit too much. And even then people would argue that Polish is different from Russian, etc .. I would however love to have Welsh/Gaelic as I have never heard it and it should sound cool.

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PSYCHO

07-15-2002, 14:58

Anyone noticed that the English speak Latin with a distinct English accent?

Will the other Latin groups have their accents... say the French with a French accent? It would be rather amusing if they just had a Frenchman speaking the way the English in the Demo are.

I would love it if each faction had it's own sounds. Even better if the rebels, like the Scots / Irish had their own Gaelic.

Also, anyone noticed that some of the battle cries in the Demo are the same as STW. I don't think that the Europeans and Arabians would use some of those high pitch OOooo's that the Asiatics were so fond of. What are your thoughts ?

Cheers

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Darkmoor_Dragon

07-15-2002, 17:06

Emp as i said before there is no throne room.

They speak (shouted commands) latin, arabic and various others on shouted commands i believe...

bruteztrausen

07-15-2002, 18:19

the arabs and europeans can`t scream yiaaaa¡or Woooooo¡
They scream arggggggggg groaurgggg sgroinunchfuggggg¡¡¡
And the arabs :yala yala¡wala aaaaaaagrrrrrrr¡¡¡¡¡
CAn you include war screams? France: Saint Dennis¡ Mon joie¡
England: Saint GEorgeeee¡
Spain:Santiago¡Abre España¡
Aragon http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gifesperta Ferro¡ ARagon aragon¡
Arabs: alla wak bar¡

Kraxis

07-15-2002, 18:44

bruteztrausen how do you know that latin was pronounced as spanish? Was it with the lesper some spanish dialects are fond of? Was it more like the mexican spanish...

I would personally think that italian is closer to latin as it is derived directly from it in latins own area.

Emp. why do you think I'm only responding to you? Why would I care if you only talk about the throneroom (which apparently is not in http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif), you are NOT the originator of the questions asked.

Hulegu

07-15-2002, 19:25

I am certain the English troops in the demo are speaking Latin, as you say with an English accent. I have been unable to make out the exact words (yet) so I can't translate it. It is possible they are Latin-like words with no specific meaning, which I think may have been done in other games, but perhaps someone else has identified them accurately?

bruteztrausen

07-15-2002, 23:15

And what say the russians when they run?
DAVAI? who means fast.

Emp. Conralius

07-15-2002, 23:39

Damn, that's a bummer. Darkmoor, really don't know where your saying this stuff. It seems that everytime I ask you a question, you just blow me off by saying you already answered it before. Wahts with that?

Emp. Conralius

07-15-2002, 23:41

Kraxis,

Calm your nerves, half the time I wasn't talkin to you!

Emp. Conralius

07-15-2002, 23:42

Kraxis,
I never said I WAS the originator of the questions asked, so you can get off my nuts!

Emp. Conralius

07-15-2002, 23:52

Damn! No throneroom...

bruteztrausen

07-16-2002, 01:02

Emperor you are a fucking gay and I wasn`t answering to you¡
All from Hampton are a sons of a bitch

Emp. Conralius

07-16-2002, 02:47

Listen yo dumb shit, is your name Kraxis? All of my last posts were adressesto Kraxis! Not you! What are you, some type of illiterate moron. And that comment about Hampton reall hurt me, no really it did. And when I say "get off my nuts" it's another way of saying "get off my back." But since you are such an idiot to call me out on a post that wasn't meant for you, I can understand. Now, this is for you Bratwurst (or whatever the hell your name is), please refrain from insulting me, or lamest turms (which I hope you can comprehend) get off my nuts!

Thank you

Emp. Conralius

07-16-2002, 02:53

And just the accusation of me being gay, made by you shows this entire forum how immature you are as well as idotic...

Now I believe we were talking about the speech issue. When the enemy general routes, one of your soldiers usually tell you with a bit of dialogue. The Mongols and the Japanese had different bits of dialogue in STW, so I'de hope that when an enemy routes in MTW, that if youhappen to be France, will speak with an English accent. Do you guys know what I'm talking about?

Red Peasant

07-16-2002, 03:06

http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif LOL!!! Lay-Deeez, perrr-leeez show a little class. Or will you settle this on the field of chivalry in a hand-bag joust! Your weapon of choice: Gucci or Prada?? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

On a more serious note it is quite possible that Spain retained a more unique Latin accent merely because it was more isolated than the Italian peninsular after the collapse of the western provincia of the Roman empire. Then again, at the height of the empire, Romans/Italians would have regarded the Hispanic accent/dialect as bumptious and laughable, it never being a 'classic' Latin accent.

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Bohemond

07-16-2002, 03:36

It all comes down to a compromise which has to be made. Otherwise we would need at least 20 different language folders. Btw the real languages of this age would be much different from the ones we know today. 11th Century German? I wouldn't understand a word. The same would be true for English.

I also think the whole idea of resemblance between Spanish/Italian and Latin is misleading some people here. Like somebody in another thread about the HRE posted the misconception Italy=Rome, or some other said Byzantinians should speak Latin, though it's well known they were Greek. (Well it could have been me who said that, but I meant it will be like that in the game, which doesn't imply that I think its correct)

Emp. Conralius

07-16-2002, 05:05

Red Peasent,
Please mind your own buisness, Iwas willing to drop the subject, so please get off my nuts!

Emp. Conralius

07-16-2002, 05:07

Yea, but it should be done better. When England became a kingdom, they mostly spoke French and Norman dialects.

Emp. Conralius

07-16-2002, 05:11

And Red Peasent, please don't tell me to have some class, it's not everyday that you are insulted by an idiot.

PSYCHO

07-16-2002, 06:08

hey hey, I understand that your upset there Emp..but take it easy friend.

Cheers

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LittleGrizzly

07-16-2002, 06:18

ok time for everybody to take thier pills http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

Emp. Conralius

07-16-2002, 08:09

I'm jst saying that if your gonna insult someone, you should at leats read that person's post IF they're meant toward you. And that you really shouldn't add your two cents if the matter's really none of your buisness. That's all. Ok. Now let's just drop the drama. Ok Bratwurst?

Emp. Conralius

07-16-2002, 08:12

Now with all that said and done, lets return to the topic. Now that there is no throneroom, I really don't care about what my soldiers say on the battlefiel, all I really hear is their bloodcurdling screams...

Kraxis

07-16-2002, 14:25

Quote Originally posted by Emp. Conralius:
I really don't care what the troops on the field say. Kraxis, does that compute???! [/QUOTE]

This a part of what you wrote to me before that post where you said half the time I wasn't responding to you. I understand that very well thank you. But if you listened to me I was responding to the originator about the troops, why did you think I responded to you?

And where does that post about me being the spanish guy come from??? If you noticed he is from Spain, I'm from Denmark... But what the heck we are practically living next door to each other and speaking the same language.

If you will calm down then I will too. We have an agreement?

Kraxis

07-16-2002, 14:36

Emp. why did you call me for bruteztrausen, or rather the other way around? That was uncalled for, I'm living in Denmark and he is living in Spain I gather. That might not seem too far for you, living in the US, but trust me there is a world of difference between us and our countries. I never insulted you, yet you put in the same basket as the one who does.
Why you would do that is simply beyond me.

A ceasefire?

Red Peasant

07-16-2002, 15:15

LOL!! What a happy Dojo! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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bruteztrausen

07-16-2002, 17:34

I propose that people from the different nation in Europe send his voices to have the sounds in different lenguajes

bruteztrausen

07-16-2002, 18:11

And what about the sound of the weapons and the people who scream when dies?
Will be better than the sunds of shogun or have more variety?

Krypteia

07-16-2002, 18:21

with all the time you spend on these forums you could have downloaded the demo allready

Kraxis

07-16-2002, 18:37

To answer that particular question (dying men), they have the same sounds... uhhh argghh... and so on. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

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Toda Nebuchadnezzar

07-16-2002, 18:47

Sheesh...I leave for a month and see what happens at the Dojo.

Honestly this place is just one big bitch fight.

Secondly I don't know who you think you are "Emp." but people such as Red Peasant are respected members of the community since they have been around a very long time. So I'm sure what he says is in your best interests.

This Dojo is not a place where you can let go of everything and curse your anger away. We do like to keep to some guidelines. Cursing isn't really wanted.

Also insulting people by calling them "gay" (can't remember who said it) is something that we don't need.

This is a community. Now obviously not everyone likes everyone else in the community but can we at least be civilised and try to just be men (and women) about it and not get into a hand-bag joust.

P.S. I'm a No Fear Legend http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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bruteztrausen

07-16-2002, 19:53

Kripteia I have downloaded the demo 2 times spending 5 hours in each and it doesn`t work.

Kraxis

07-16-2002, 20:43

Have you unzipped it first before trying to install it? We all had that problem to start with.

Emp. Conralius

07-16-2002, 22:35

Toda,
I was the one called gay. Listen man, I joined the forum just to talk about TW. But if I'm insulted I will adress that issue. And I see it rather unfair that you would point me out for all thats been happening. I can see from your post that you didn't know who called who gay, maybe this can be remedied if you actually read all the posts. I'm not the one who is "destroying the forum." Before you start to point fingers, please do the necessary research...

Kraxis,
I was talking to you at one point, and then Brautezhausen responds personnally to a post that was meant for you. I really wasn't talking to Brautezhausen. I really don't see it necessary to incorporate your nationalities in your last post.

Red Peasent,
I really have no quarrel with you. I don't really have anything to say to you. I just thought writing you would do some good since Toda thought I was disrespecting you...

And on a final note: I'm just hear to discuss a great game, not to bitch at each other. And if I feel offended believe you me, it will adress it. And just because do so doesen't mean you have to point the finger at me. Let's see, Brautezhausen called me gay,(which shows how immature he is) and said "all people from Hampton are sons of bitches!" Toda, I mean you no insult, but if you read over the posts, you'll see who is right. Now I've said this 2X before, I'm willing to drop the subject.

Emp. Conralius

07-16-2002, 22:37

Damn, those hand-bag joust comments are getting old...it was funny the first time when Red Peasent said it

Emp. Conralius

07-16-2002, 22:45

With all that aside, you know when you kill the enemy general or cature him, there is usually some dialogue saying "my lord, we've killed the enemy general..." Say if you happened to be the French, would the dialogue be in English? Would it have a French accent? Thats my real question here.

Krypteia

07-16-2002, 23:20

Quote Originally posted by bruteztrausen:
[bdownloaded the demo 2 times and it doesn`t work.[/b][/QUOTE]

Does it stuff up when you start to install it from the the mtw file u downloaded??

coz thats what it was doing on my comp , so i had to unzip the actuall game into a directory then install it from there

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bruteztrausen

07-16-2002, 23:47

accept my apologizes but I was only defending myself conralius, because you called me blackmoor before

Toda Nebuchadnezzar

07-17-2002, 00:23

I tell u what! When the post is not a bitch fight and to do with the topic i'll read it. That has gotten me through almost 2 years at the ORG so I think it's a pretty good idea.

hhhmmm I can see a new James forming in this one. May 2002 and already 400 posts.

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Red Peasant

07-17-2002, 00:45

No probs with me Emp, I'm cool http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif Just tryin' to lower the temperature in here with a little levity and good humour.

Good to see ya Toda-san, at least the Dojo's livening up a bit....but no-one wants it to get out of control. And stepping in without worsening the situation or sounding patronising is quite a problematic 'art'!

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Kraxis

07-17-2002, 01:14

Emp. you seem to be right that I needed not commenting on where I was from. I guess I was a little fast there.

In fact I think most of our quarrel has come from a series of misunderstandings.

That exact situation we know almost nothing about (the comment when the general is dead, enemy's or yours). We have one little thing to refer to though, the movies that was posted at gamespot several months ago.

There an HRE force captures a general, unfortunately the messenger talked in high english.

Emp. Conralius

07-17-2002, 02:17

Good show gentlemen, I'm glad such an ugly incident could end in such regal fashion...Cheers! Now, let's talk Total War!

Emp. Conralius

07-17-2002, 02:41

Toda,
Who is James? And how am I a "new James"?

Bohemond

07-17-2002, 03:06

I would say you are a chatterbox ;-)

bruteztrausen

07-17-2002, 03:26

the arabs and the europeans should scream different. Because the tone of pronunciation is different.
Europeans:argggggg broargggg¡
Arabs:joow saleeeeemm¡

bruteztrausen

07-17-2002, 03:27

the arabs and the europeans should scream different. Because the tone of pronunciation is different.
Europeans:argggggg broargggg¡
Arabs:joow saleeeeemm¡
And they could sing
Europeans:Ave MAria mater misericordiaeeee
Arabs: Alla yalá alla wak hadem awsee

Emp. Conralius

07-17-2002, 04:22

Yea but then you'de have to hve the Eastern Europeans change the way they scream...

Emp. Conralius

07-17-2002, 04:25

Bohemond, I am what I am...

Hirosito

07-18-2002, 02:19

emp. this is a serious remark: do you know that you can edit your posts so you dont have to post 2 posts in a row in about every thread.

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Gentile or Jew
O you who turn the wheel and look to windward,
Consider Phlebas, who was once handsome and tall as you.

Emp. Conralius

07-18-2002, 02:21

I know this, it's just I forget what I want to say very easily, so it takes 2 posts.

Hirosito

07-18-2002, 16:48

cool especially because if you edit you dont have to wait for flood control to go off (quicker!)

Toda Nebuchadnezzar

07-18-2002, 20:26

Ok here is basically what the sounds in the throne room will cover.

Eg. STW each clan had a specific accent when an emissary came to you to ask for an alliance. Therefore it will be the same in MTW. It will all be in english(english version) but each faction will have its own accented english. i.e. Speak english with a french accent and you will get what the french faction sounds like in the throne room.

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For the in-battle voices who knows... CA have done some really un-thinkable and cool things for MTW so maybe they will do something new and innovative for these.

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Stephen Hummell

07-18-2002, 20:49

When the game comes out you can all settle your disputs on a battlefield over the internet.

I like how the muslims tute their horns in battle.

No throne room, what about my muslim Belly dancers?

Who cares what they scream, they could scream in Hawaiian and I won't care.