CA-Darkmoor conspiracy

[barocca]

Erado

I refer to the perspectives thread,
page 2
last post
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000573-2.html

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posted by Erado San

Barocca in his last post added to the CA-Darkmoor conspiracy, which does not even exist.
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??????????????????????

Darkmoor is a beta tester?
yes or no?

If so then he can make comments and ask questions of CA,
yes or no?

Darkmoor told us the org is not CA's 'core market'
yes or no?

Did CA just casually happen to mention that to Darkmoor?
(over a beer down the pub perhaps?)
yes or no?

I think not!

Then why does Darkmoor believe that is CA's opinion of us at the Org?


The hypothesis i put forward in 'perspectives' was Darkmoor asked CA a question,
(as a beta tester he can ask questions)

a question put forward by one of us here at the Org,
and CA told Darkmoor not to worry about OUR opinions because we, at the Org are not CA's 'core market'

How is stating the obvious
(that Darkmoor is a beta tester)
and that the Org is not CA's core target,
contributing to the CA-Darkmoor conspiracy theory?

Darkmoor is a beta tester,
Darkmoor can ask questions,
CA can answer questions,

thats what i said.

I also tried to point out that Darkmoor was passing our comments to CA,
but CA aren't listening.

where is my contribution to the conspiracy theory?


Puzz3D, Monsta, Tosa, JRock,
losing any one of these is bad enough,
to allow matters to escalate to the point where TWO of them decide to leave is reprehensible.

I have been dumped on here at the Org so many times my skin is pretty thick,
but everything has it's limits.
Barocca

[DoCToR]

let it lie, for God's sake man, just let it lie http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif

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=MizuDoc Otomo=
=Clan Takiyama=

Darkmoor is not a 'beta tester'. He has a copy of the game so that he can give opinions on it in magazines and online sites that he has contracts or whatever with.

It was highlited enough that losing Tosa is something so bad that 3 Darkmoors that are nice wouldn't pay for. He is the biggest modder of the game, without him the wealth of editing information would have never been discovered and half the maps and custom things we all did including myself would have been thrown in the bin. Plus he's a great person and friend. No-one wants him to leave on such a stupid issue about non existing conspiracies, beta testing, God knowledge, power, influence, veteranship and all this SHIT to be clear enough.

We worked together for 2 years and it is just a shame to destroy our strong bonds on such things. I hope Tosa really reconsiders, there is NOONE who EVER though he should leave or something...I am sorry if because of my misuse of my powers I gave him that idea maybe. But we all do mistakes and feel sorry for them, let's forget this damn thing. Please. Stop posting about it and let's reinstate our strong bonds.

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[This message has been edited by Terazawa Tokugawa (edited 07-18-2002).]

[Erado San]

The questions were aimed at me and so I consider myself the only one fit to answer them. (no hard feeligs, Tera http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

a bit cramped for time at the moment though, I will answer them asap.

I didn't think this would blow up in our faces like it did, but since it has I will do my share in getting it out of the way.

[RageMonsta]

It is quite possible that D D ask CA some questions after he visited here...

Monsta mentioned that the MP side of things is rather poor (not us because we are super pimp funky) and we tend to survive off our own backs....Mr D D was nice (Monsta began to like him a bit here) and he said he never really looks into MP a reviewer....and said he would take some time to focus on this issue...

Reading his review at GD he mentions little-

either he asked and CA said 'who? we have on-line also'?..hence the remark about MP not really making a difference to CA?

or he was just trying to gain the MP's trust and faith?

I say we send the hit squad and have him buried in quick lime....if it turns out he was for real...we spare the rest of his family...or we could just chop his hand off...is this too kind?...maybe skin him?

Let's try and solve the problems between us first, too early to begin chop off people Monsta be patient http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

No problems Ed..

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[Erado San]

Barocca,

I am not going to look into all the places where this thing exploded, if you don't mind.

The first insinuation aimed at D_D was in a thread at the .com forum if I remember correctly, in which Puzz mentioned 'Monsta is right'.

I don't even know what Monsta had said, but to me that read as if Puzz, agreeing with Monsta, believes that D_D is there with knowledge or cooperation of CA to hype things up. That is what people read it for, that is for sure.

Where I think you added to this D_D/CA conspiracy is in this paragraph:

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After all you don't think CA just telephoned Darkmoor for a casual chat and just happened to mention that the org is not a 'core market target' for Medieval?
do you?
The only reason they would tell him is He asked them something, an issue raised by someone here, and theresponse was
The Org is not 'core'!
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CA didn't call D_D at all. CA never said we are not core market. D_D said that on his own account.

People misunderstand that remark. I get the feeling people think that that suggests CA don't take us seriously. Which is not the case.

With that remark D_D suggests we are not core market simply because of our small number. I don't know how many copies of Total War games have been sold. 100.000? 500.000?

For arguments sake let's say 500.000. There are about 2500 registered users here. That is 0.5%. In the foyer most we have seen is about 150 players. Let's say that in total perhaps 10.000 people have ever tried to play a battle online. That would be 2%. That makes the total of 2.5%.

In other words, the online community represents 2.5% of the prospect buyers of MTW. And that is why we are NOT core market. The core market is all those people we have never heard of that play the game in SP and never go to the internet at all.

That is what D_D meant, and which he should have gotten across much clearer.

Darkmoor is not a beta tester.
Darkmoor is a reviewer and has a review release.
As such he can ask questions and make remarks.
His remark about core market was his own. CA may have mentioned to him that the online community is not their prime concern as far as sales go. Would make sense if they did, but again, don't mistake this as if CA does not take us seriously.

So, your hypothesis may be partially correct, but not in the bad context that you consider it.

I hope this clears up this issue.

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Another issue:

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Puzz3D, Monsta, Tosa, JRock,
losing any one of these is bad enough,
to allow matters to escalate to the point where TWO of them decide to leave is reprehensible.
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I totally agree. In TosaInu's 'Final Word' thread I acknowledge the responsibility for any part that I may have played in that, and also mention that I also take my responsibility in trying to set that straight.

Personally I think I never deliberately picked on anyone. In most of my messages I clearly stated this.

What I think, and feel free to differ on opinion, is that all parties involved let this blow out of proportions. This is a mistake we are all inclined to make, and the only thing left to do is to avoid that. And that, Barocca, is what I am going to try and do as soon as I hit the submit button on this message. Let's hope something sensible can come out of that.

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

Darkmoor? Conspiracy?

hhhmmm I don't know anything about this. But sounds as if this Darkmoor chap had something to do with Tosa leaving us?

Not Good News.

Well hope it gets sorted soon, would hate to see Monsta's plan setup for business.

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No Fear Legend.

[The Scourge]

Been following this thing ,and i\ve got to say ,in all the time i\ve been a member of this board,i\ve never seen so much fuss about nothing.
for christ sake are half you people smokeing to much wacky backy,or what?Because thats about the only explanation I can come up with for all this rampant paranoia.
Well at least Erado and DoCToR seem to have things in perspective.
Fear and Loathing at the Org.

[DoCToR]

Quote Originally posted by Toda Nebuchadnezzar:
Darkmoor? Conspiracy?

hhhmmm I don't know anything about this. But sounds as if this Darkmoor chap had something to do with Tosa leaving us?

Not Good News.

Well hope it gets sorted soon, would hate to see Monsta's plan setup for business.

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I wish people would stop fueling the fire by creating potential rumours or making sweeping statements..

this is how messes like this start.

The only reason i give a crap about this is because i knew Tosa and Puzz fairly well and it's a shame to see it end this way. TWo very creative, helpful individuals that a community like this can't really afford to do without.

I can't count how many times these guys have helped peeps with their intimate knowledge of the inner mechanics of STW, including helping creating the best official patch (1.02) ever released! A feat that even CA couldn't achieve after many attempts.

Amazing how things can easily be forgotten.


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[Rokkaku]

I do belive this conspiracy has gone to far, It may not be even a conspiracy, tosa and puzz should not leave for the simple reason it isnt a good enough reason too....

[Orda Khan]

Yes isn't it .....Orda

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[MagyarKhans Cham]

conspiracy or not busty DD is being watched by the Everlasting Eye of the WIS (Wolf Intelligence Services, a new version of the GWIS)

[Mithrandir]

wohooo I love conspiracy theories!

I believe it's a conspiracy..Tera is in on it too!

And shiro,Jag,Boromir, Sir kuma of the Org,Japkiller,Gothmog and George W Bush...

the truth will be out soon, GWB. is too stupid to participate in ANY conspiracy http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif.

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[Wavesword]

Modding is an increasingly important part of many games, besides the added longevity lots of magazines will have distributed maps made by people from the org which helps to keep a game 'current' after the blurb of marketing on release is gone. This isn't as important in a game like Shogun as it is in an FPS but the fact remains that an enthusiastic modding community is an asset to a game. We may not be the mainstream audience but we are an asset which is worth cultivating, not something that a company releasing an important product is going to completely ignore. The time we'll devote to messing with the game is as important as our money. I think that CA would probably take it as a given that most of the people who come here are liable to buy the game anyway...

[LittleGrizzly]

maybe george bushes lad dog tony blair is too

d_d and puzz like em both get back here !!!!

[Nobunaga0611]

Quote Originally posted by barocca:
[b] Darkmoor told us the org is not CA's 'core market'
yes or no?

Barocca[/QUOTE]

From a marketing perspective, this might make some sense. Why would they market to us?? We're already getting the game. The marketers main purpose in a case like this is to spread awareness of their game to new people in order to sell more copies.

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

Please enough of this.

Check out the *last word* topic for the reasons i am closing this.