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Thane Talain MacDonald
07-19-2002, 15:04
The first question being Can you, and the second being Can you change it to, say, Pagan or Jewish.
I hope so, nothing would be better than conquering Europe in the name of Adonai! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Aelfred Magna
07-19-2002, 15:07
I don't think it's possible . . . sorry to disappoint you.
And when you think about it, an entire faction changing religions on the spur of the moment wouldn't be all that historically accurate (although I suppose it would be if in doing so you risked civil war and losing the entire game over it because the people of your faction would not be very likely to support a change in religion by it's leader.)
Thane Talain MacDonald
07-19-2002, 15:08
Actually, rulers changing religion for no good reason has been demonstrated in history.
Look at the Anglican Church!
Aelfred Magna
07-19-2002, 15:22
yes, the Anglican church is one example, but the only thing that really changed "overnight" was who was in charge of the church (Henry VIII vs. the Pope) . . . at that point, the tenets of the religion pretty much stayed the same . . . a bit different than a change from Catholicism to Judaism.
Thane Talain MacDonald
07-19-2002, 15:27
Yes, but what do I give a damn if they revolt http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Actually, I was thinking certain groups might find use in converting (Russians going Catholic, mayhap?) and was wondering if they split religions into major and minor ones through hardcode, or if all the religions have the same code, in which case the previous example might also allow converting to Judaism or Paganism.
It'd be another option, after all http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
so itd not possible to turn the french into a muslim nation, and the turks to christian, awwww...
Thane Talain MacDonald
07-19-2002, 19:02
Mind you, we don't know for sure http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
if u are muslim are u lead by sultans, that mean IF u can change and IF this is true, u can have a sultan leading france or england, hehe.
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
07-19-2002, 19:10
You probably can but if I say how Shiro-sama will move this thread to the editing forum. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
But by saying that you can probably guess.
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Thane Talain MacDonald
07-19-2002, 19:11
True enough, but I think it would be nice if it was in the game already. Of course, sheer speculation since none of us are devs, but what other point is there to this, eh? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
If a muslim army conquers a christian province, wouldn't the conquered people eventually turn to Islam?
GAH!
Quote Originally posted by Vanya:
If a muslim army conquers a christian province, wouldn't the conquered people eventually turn to Islam?
GAH!
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Hehe, Vanya, you have a talent of pointing out the obvious.
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I think slow transition to another religionn based on what ever sort of social event would enrich this game...the event could be the sun to the moon...just pick your point of view...
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
07-19-2002, 21:25
Well this happens in STW and MI.
When you become Christian your provinces based on whether they have a church or not become a certain percentage christian.
So maybe if your muslim and build a mosque in a conquered christian province, the populace will slowly turn to Islam.
It seems to be already built in.
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Thane Talain MacDonald
07-20-2002, 02:28
Yes, but I'd like to know how they handle to minor religions.
If you remember from the screens on DD's review of the English game they had one where nopt only was there a Christian and Heretic percentage, but as I assumed from the star of david, a Jewish percentage, which makes me think they treat the minor religions differently than just dissenting religion.
Hell, maybe a high Jewish percentage will let you have better banks http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Krypteia
07-21-2002, 00:34
Quote Originally posted by Vanya:
If a muslim army conquers a christian province, wouldn't the conquered people eventually turn to Islam?
GAH!
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thats not entierly true , i mean the ottomans occupied greece and part of yugoslavia for like 500 years and they were not muslim , though u do have pockets of muslims in the yugoslavia and you have albania but greece and serbia are not and they never were
Papewaio
07-21-2002, 04:14
Quote Originally posted by Thane Talain MacDonald:
Hell, maybe a high Jewish percentage will let you have better banks http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif[/QUOTE]
The reason they could was because Christians from time to time were not allowed to charge interest and had other fiscal polices locked on them from on high which puts a real dampner on becoming a banker. 'Oh another knight who defaulted on his loan by going off and getting killed in a crusade. How am I going to recover my money now?'
Then look at the Vencians and their capacity with money. So maybe the real reason was that the vikings/normans/celts didn't have the literacy and social infrastructure to support fiscal specialists. Thereby having to rely on the Jews and Venecians. Evenutally once the trade of England took off they developed the banking structure and stockmarket which they still have a very good hold on. The English stockmarket is based on a Dutch version.
Stephen Hummell
07-21-2002, 08:04
It's possible but it would cause major revolts.
Thane Talain MacDonald
07-21-2002, 08:19
Pape: I'm Jewish. I know that. Jews had to make a living in craftsman or banking positions most of the time because they were not allowed to own land and farm.
So it IS possible to convert to Judaism?
Why would u want to change religion? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
...because it would be cool to be a Jewish King out against the world. ;/
It's not possible to change religion in the game - each of the factions is stuck with their religious beliefs from the start of the game to the end of it.
Religion spreads in much the same way that it did in Shogun - by constructing religious buildings and sending your holy men out to convert the population of other nations.
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Toda Nebuchadnezzar
07-21-2002, 15:48
Cheers Target mate. Always helpful to get some inside information. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
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Papewaio
07-21-2002, 15:54
Quote Originally posted by Target:
It's not possible to change religion in the game - each of the factions is stuck with their religious beliefs from the start of the game to the end of it.
Religion spreads in much the same way that it did in Shogun - by constructing religious buildings and sending your holy men out to convert the population of other nations.
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But in Shoggie your Daimyo could change from Buddhist to Christian. Is that no longer allowed? No chances for some of the border factions to go from one type to another by inducements of some sort?
DD has said that he has a suspicion that having a decent jewish population ups your trade money (he wasnt sure at all though)
unfortunately not - you definately can't change your religion during a campaign. Each faction is setup with a faith at the start of the game and they stick with it through to the bitter end. Yeah, on Shogun ( it seems sooooo long ago ) you could convert to christianity, but it was felt that if we did that with Medieval it made the game a bit too complicated if factions started chopping and changing their religions left right and centre. Actually, it made our brains ache just thinking about the implications of a faction changing religion half way through a game.
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Emp. Conralius
07-21-2002, 23:02
I wonder, if say the French could successfully create an alliance with the Egyptians?
Stephen Hummell
07-21-2002, 23:45
Quote Originally posted by Emp. Conralius:
I wonder, if say the French could successfully create an alliance with the Egyptians?[/QUOTE]
It's possible Lots of C-Spain Kingdoms had alliences with muslim nations. El Cid fought even for a muslim Kingdom.
Nice to see you, Target. You're always welcome here. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Historically, kings didn't often change religions I would assume besides the obvious example of Henry VIII (that was later though).
Still it could have added a nice twist to the game. I think that there will be plenty of other new features to keep us busy though. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
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Thane Talain MacDonald
07-22-2002, 05:32
Well, I can hope for a patch then. Either from CA or elsewhere. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
07-22-2002, 05:39
No doubt the modders will work out how to edit the MTW files so that england and france are muslim. That way you cud definately make an alliance to crush an enemy.
"Never fight a war on two fronts!
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Thane Talain MacDonald
07-22-2002, 05:41
Or better, England being Jewish http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Papewaio
07-22-2002, 08:09
Well given my wish list of .conan. esque cheat codes I would like;
1) The ability to choose any faction or a single province(which then rebels).
2) The ability to play another religion.
So that I could play Welsh Pagans (headhunters and druids)!
I wonder if .provincename. will work...
GAH!
How can you increase the number of Pagan/heretic believers?
I recall reading through the glorious acheivements... The French have to "draw out the [satan] worshippers in Toulouse and defeat them! That is one of their glorious acheivements! Toulouse is their own province!
GAH!
If you eat live babies and bathe in their blood to help you clear up your acne... will the Pope call a crusade on you? What ever happened to "freedom of religion"? GAH!
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Oh yeah... its medieval! GAH! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
You need a reason to convert that binds the game and allows to to achieve the ultimate goal with its help...it should also incur problems...basically the game is conquer the world to win...therefore if converting when you move into muslim lands to win the game so be it...perhaps you can keep it from the pope...for it to be involved it must add hair to an arm otherwise it useless and unnecessary time spent...it might be fun but is that worth extra hours...for the gamer perhaps...
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