The 500km Elephant Fence

[phonicsmonkey]

"From Aleppo in the North to Gaza in the South an "iron curtain" has descended across the Continent. Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Asia. Baghdad, Jedda, Delhi and Beijing; all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Timurid sphere, and all are subject, in one form or another, not only to Timurid influence but to a very high and in some cases increasing measure of control from Elephants."

roll up roll up and see the incredible Venetian blind stopping the Elephants of Timur from invading the holy land

see as the greedy beasts stick their trunks into the peanut-filled forts and are roasted by flaming catapult ammo for their trouble...

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/phonicsmonkeytw/0001.jpg

this is what I did while I waited for Columbus to get his act together

[Askthepizzaguy]

"From Aleppo in the North to Gaza in the South an "iron curtain" has descended across the Continent. Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Asia. Baghdad, Jedda, Delhi and Beijing; all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Timurid sphere, and all are subject, in one form or another, not only to Timurid influence but to a very high and in some cases increasing measure of control from Elephants."

roll up roll up and see the incredible Venetian blind stopping the Elephants of Timur from invading the holy land

see as the greedy beasts stick their trunks into the peanut-filled forts and are roasted by flaming catapult ammo for their trouble...

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/phonicsmonkeytw/0001.jpg

this is what I did while I waited for Columbus to get his act together

Good post!

Just a suggestion: I tend to wrap spoilers around the image so that the thread looks better and loads quicker, and all the initial text is viewable without scrolling, just like I wrap spoilers around quotes so the thread is more readable.

Good lord, Poland and Spain have empires. The AI never gets empires on my version (original).

[phonicsmonkey]

I gave them TONS of money - they are my axis of evil buddies

EDIT: Woo hoo, post 100 and all of them flippant

[Askthepizzaguy]

I gave them TONS of money - they are my axis of evil buddies

I don't know how to put things in spoiler tags - such a n00b - tell me and I'll edit

When posting, there is a toolbar at the top of the text window, for quick replies it is under "advanced" I believe...

The Spoiler tag is the second icon that looks like the BOLD icon, between the PHP symbol and the ABC strikethru symbol. On the right.

Any text, images, quotes, whatever within the spoiler tags

(SPOIL)-----------------(/SPOIL) with the [] symbols

will be covered by a spoiler. Just looks cleaner and better organized that way methinks.

P.S> is that the turn number or the year???

[phonicsmonkey]

it's the year, took this one really slow as I wanted to get to the New World

I still got too bored to carry on though, haven't seen it yet!

[Askthepizzaguy]

it's the year, took this one really slow as I wanted to get to the New World

I still got too bored to carry on though, haven't seen it yet!

I was about to say... I mean, I've seen people with crazy turn numbers before, but this is ridiculous. By turn 1400 people will be living on Mars.

My math may be a little off, depending on how many years per turn you are moving at.

EDIT: You may have 100 posts, but as of 3:54 AM Eastern Time USA, I have 9 separate posts at the top of the forum page. Bwahahaha. And I'm on topic in each thread.

(sadly) ....I don't have a life.

EDIT: Oh, by the way, some people have tiny monitors. It's really up to you, because you only posted one photo, but to save not only your photobucket bandwidth and to allow people to see your entire image, you may want to reduce the image size as well.

You can do so right on photobucket by clicking edit above the image, and doing a resize.

I typically resize to 800x^600, but if the photo doesn't have text and the subject of the image is large and easily viewable, you can go down to one smaller size and have things look spiffy.
Yes, more unsolicited opinion from the Pizza man.

[Budwise]

If your almost ready for the new world, why don't you just edit the descr_strat file to 5 or even 10 years per turn. You will get to the new world almost immediately this way.

[4th Dimension]

"From Aleppo in the North to Gaza in the South an "iron curtain" has descended across the Continent. Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Asia. Baghdad, Jedda, Delhi and Beijing; all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Timurid sphere, and all are subject, in one form or another, not only to Timurid influence but to a very high and in some cases increasing measure of control from Elephants."

roll up roll up and see the incredible Venetian blind stopping the Elephants of Timur from invading the holy land

see as the greedy beasts stick their trunks into the peanut-filled forts and are roasted by flaming catapult ammo for their trouble...

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/phonicsmonkeytw/0001.jpg

this is what I did while I waited for Columbus to get his act together

So the idea is to trap the in the forts and them crush them with force owerwhelming while forts don't allow them to escape?
Genious!

[Sentinel]

I also found that they very rarely attack these forts, even when garrisoned with 1 unit of town militia.
In one of my campaigns I used a wall of about 8 forts, built through the middle of one of their invasions. Not to stop them, but to divide them into two smaller groups that were easier to deal with.

[Skott]

Okay, to clarify the tactic.. they dont normally attack forts and avoid them but when they do attack them only garrison the fort with one unit, which they will easily win and then enter, but then become stuck inside the fort because they wont leave it afterwards? That right? :inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

So the idea is to trap the in the forts and them crush them with force owerwhelming while forts don't allow them to escape?
Genious!
Wait... is it "genious" or "ingenious"?

While we are on the subject, is it "flammable" or "inflammable"? "Telligent" or "intelligent"?

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Words are evil, we must shun them.

[John_Longarrow]

Pizzaguy

That is a very tuitive question! :2thumbsup:

[4th Dimension]

Wait... is it "genious" or "ingenious"?

While we are on the subject, is it "flammable" or "inflammable"? "Telligent" or "intelligent"?

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Words are evil, we must shun them.
This isn't my language, sooo....

[Askthepizzaguy]

This isn't my language, sooo....
True. I believe it is public domain, and anyone can use it.
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I train all of my soldiers to defend themselves against attackers armed with fresh fruit.

[4th Dimension]

And what's best of all here on Internet it can't sue you for gross abuse if it's grammar and raping of it's spelling.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And what's best of all here on Internet it can't sue you for gross abuse if it's grammar and raping of it's spelling.

Me spell and ulso grammer good.
Hello mister... Kurns. Me bad want... money now. Please give.

Oooh he card reads good.


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OFF TOPIC! RETURNING TO TOPIC!!!
:oops:

[Guyus Germanicus]

Phonicsmonkey -

I don't think I've ever seen a campaign map as amazing as the one you've shared in this thread, big guy.

Those Timur armies look extremely intimidating. I haven't encountered the Mongols or Timurs yet in my games. But now that I see what a typical stack looks like from your posted screen print - I don't mind so much putting off the experience for awhile longer. :yes: I can't help but think, too, that your 'fence' had to cost you a pretty 'florin' (in lieu of penny).

[Slug For A Butt]

"ingenious" is a very different word to "genius", look it up man. I think you are relating the two because you misspell them.

"Telligent" isn't a word at all :wall: , intelligent is.

You have a point with "flammable" and "inflammable", I don't understand that one.


True. I believe it is public domain, and anyone can use it.

However badly eh?

[Askthepizzaguy]

"ingenious" is a very different word to "genius", look it up man. I think you are relating the two because you misspell them.

"Telligent" isn't a word at all :wall: , intelligent is.

You have a point with "flammable" and "inflammable", I don't understand that one.



However badly eh?

Sigh... wow.

You clearly did not get my joke. Genious isn't a word, neither is telligent.
You might have mistaken the "genious" part for a misspell, but telligent is an obvious pile-on that is a dead giveway that it's a joke.

Me spell and ulso grammer good.
Hello mister... Kurns. Me bad want... money now. Please give.

Oooh he card reads good.

Back to topic.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizzaguy

That is a very tuitive question! :2thumbsup:

See? Some people got the joke.

[Slug For A Butt]

My apologies PizzaGuy.
I just get that used to seeing crap grammar on boards by people that should know better. :embarassed:
Please accept my apology and admission of thicknissity.

EDIT: Yes... Thicknissity SHOULD be a word, it's in my revised dictionary. Revised with a ballpoint pen.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My apologies PizzaGuy.
I just get that used to seeing crap grammar on boards by people that should know better. :embarrassed:
Please accept my apology and admission of thicknissity.

You don't have to tell me. I've gotten disgusted with the lack of basic education in the general public. Especially in the young people (not including myself) who consider ignorance to be something positive and cool.
(Continued in spoiler)
This whole society is going to hell in a hand basket, what with the hippty-hop flippity-flop rap music, and the jeans around the ankles, and the marijuana, and the celebrity worship and the Nascar. Why, in my day we didn't have any fancy Ipod nano, or information superhighway. We had the regular highway, and we used to play right in the middle of it all day long. See, back in those days people knew how to drive, and they took the time to allow pedestrians to cross the road, and everyone was so polite and courteous. I remember we used to wear neckties to dinner, and everyone would sit up straight and not question authority, and we were all against the communists, too. None of this nonsense they call tolerance and acceptance. Bunch of drugged-up hippie garbage is all that is. I remember one time back in nineteen aught three, I went down to the local barbershop to get my ears lowered, and it only cost me one shiny nickel, which back in those days had pictures of bumblebees on them. Oh yes, we would say "give me 5 bees for a quarter", and you could use a five-cent nickel bee to pay for a steak and kidney pie, a cup of coffee, a slice of cheesecake and a newsreel... with enough change left over to ride the trolley from Battery Park to the polo grounds. You see, back in those days, rich men would ride around in Zeppelins, dropping coins on people, and one day I seen J. D. Rockefeller flying by. So I run out of the house with a big washtub. I’d just used it that morning to wash my turkey, which in those days was known as a walking bird. We'd always have walking bird on Thanksgiving with all the trimmings: cranberries, injun eyes, yams stuffed with gunpowder. Then we'd all watch football, which in those days was called "baseball". Like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe; so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones. But as I recall, these crazy youngsters these days don't even appreciate yellow onions. They prefer to get wasted on alkey-hol and sniff paint thinner. Oh, what is the world coming to? It reminds me of when my aunt Eva used to tell me stories about Hitler. She really looked up to him back in those days, before he tried to wipe out Europe. A fine gentleman, he was, or so Eva used to say. But then again Eva was always the crazy one, because she thought she was Eva Braun. I tried to tell her that Eva died in 1945, which meant that she couldn't possibly be Eva Braun, but she never would listen. She would just go on telling rambling stories that never had a point, and we children would always laugh at her. She was quite senile, but still we respected our elders back in those days. Not like today. Today, this whole society is going to hell in a hand basket, what with the hippty-hop flippity-flop rap music, and the jeans around the ankles, and the marijuana, and the celebrity worship and the Nascar. Why, in my day we didn't have any fancy Ipod nano, or information superhighway. We had the regular highway, and we used to play right in the middle of it all day long. Did I ever tell you about the time I tied an onion on my belt and went to Morganville? That's what they called Shelbyville back in those days.

...Hey, where are you going?

Now can we get back to the Elephant fence?

[Budwise]

Pizzaguy, I wish you worked where I work because I think we would get along and the days would be shorter.



This whole society is going to hell in a hand basket, what with the hippty-hop flippity-flop rap music, and the jeans around the ankles, and the marijuana, and the celebrity worship and the Nascar. Why, in my day we didn't have any fancy Ipod nano, or information superhighway. We had the regular highway, and we used to play right in the middle of it all day long. See, back in those days people knew how to drive, and they took the time to allow pedestrians to cross the road, and everyone was so polite and courteous. I remember we used to wear neckties to dinner, and everyone would sit up straight and not question authority, and we were all against the communists, too. None of this nonsense they call tolerance and acceptance. Bunch of drugged-up hippie garbage is all that is. I remember one time back in nineteen aught three, I went down to the local barbershop to get my ears lowered, and it only cost me one shiny nickel, which back in those days had pictures of bumblebees on them. Oh yes, we would say "give me 5 bees for a quarter", and you could use a five-cent nickel bee to pay for a steak and kidney pie, a cup of coffee, a slice of cheesecake and a newsreel... with enough change left over to ride the trolley from Battery Park to the polo grounds. You see, back in those days, rich men would ride around in Zeppelins, dropping coins on people, and one day I seen J. D. Rockefeller flying by. So I run out of the house with a big washtub. I’d just used it that morning to wash my turkey, which in those days was known as a walking bird. We'd always have walking bird on Thanksgiving with all the trimmings: cranberries, injun eyes, yams stuffed with gunpowder. Then we'd all watch football, which in those days was called "baseball". Like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe; so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones. But as I recall, these crazy youngsters these days don't even appreciate yellow onions. They prefer to get wasted on alkey-hol and sniff paint thinner. Oh, what is the world coming to? It reminds me of when my aunt Eva used to tell me stories about Hitler. She really looked up to him back in those days, before he tried to wipe out Europe. A fine gentleman, he was, or so Eva used to say. But then again Eva was always the crazy one, because she thought she was Eva Braun. I tried to tell her that Eva died in 1945, which meant that she couldn't possibly be Eva Braun, but she never would listen. She would just go on telling rambling stories that never had a point, and we children would always laugh at her. She was quite senile, but still we respected our elders back in those days. Not like today. Today, this whole society is going to hell in a hand basket, what with the hippty-hop flippity-flop rap music, and the jeans around the ankles, and the marijuana, and the celebrity worship and the Nascar. Why, in my day we didn't have any fancy Ipod nano, or information superhighway. We had the regular highway, and we used to play right in the middle of it all day long. Did I ever tell you about the time I tied an onion on my belt and went to Morganville? That's what they called Shelbyville back in those days.

...Hey, where are you going?


I agree. I had to find a FOREIGN OLDER WOMAN to appreciate the older style customs that you talk about. America is just going to hell and its going to get worst, because nobody has to really struggle to eat or have basic needs, nobody has to grow as a person. I believe everything became too easy and the worst that you will get is welfare. I am not saying that I am perfect but I was always the only kid in school that paid attention and even now my grammar and punctuation is off at times. Part of me would like to live in Vietnam because even knowing that I can SEE why they are a failing society, they have a sense of community that we don't have. They have public dances where all the younger people just go into the center and dance and they have amazing public events and fairs. Although the fairs and events aren't as flashy as ours, they occure more often and you have a sense of community bonding we just don't have. I feel even worst for my son and his son when he has one and so on. Its common knowledge if you take the time to study that America has peaked and we are going on a downward slope now. In the end, this saddens me. Its unfortunate that I have to go online to see the views that I live by, just to wonder at the end of the chat if they are just messing with me or if they are serious. Good people just don't exist anymore.~:( :2cents:

[Budwise]

My apologies PizzaGuy.

EDIT: Yes... Thicknissity SHOULD be a word, it's in my revised dictionary. Revised with a ballpoint pen.

Put Thicknissity in http://www.urbandictionary.com/ and make it one, if you haven't already because I really haven't checked yet to see.

EDIT: I just checked and its not in yet, what does it mean?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Shouldn't it be thicknessity? Or perhaps just plain thickness? Well, maybe not plain thickness. Something fancy, like plaid thickness. Plaid is only one letter off from plain, yet it is 30% funnier. If you were paid by the letter, that would be a substantial increase. Frankly, I prefer exciting thickness over plain thickness. Well, wait... that doesn't sound right. Come to think of it, I don't like thickness at all. Man, I am dying out here.I'd better change the subject. Say, how about that fence made out of forts, and so on. Keeping thread on topic:

Observation that the original poster's strategy would not work against human opponents, followed by a standard joke about what kind of people would be fooled by such a cheap trick. Standard rant about lackluster AI. Witty observation here. Pause for laughter and resume. Continued rant about the AI followed by an appeal to the software developer to fix said AI. Some filler lines to round out the paragraph.

Insert wrap-up material here, followed by insightful and witty closing remark.
End on a joke.

:standard emoticon here:

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"Signature line designed to be humorous" -Person who said it.

[John_Longarrow]

<-- pokes Grampa askthepizzaguy with a stick before going through Homers pockets for loose change and hints on making a better AI.

[ReiseReise]

I've never played long enough to see timurids, but mongols I have seen will bypass rebel provinces and wander around til they find a factions city to make their "homeland", maybe same idea for timurids they are unlikely to attack forts, they want a city.

[phonicsmonkey]

So the idea is to trap the in the forts and them crush them with force owerwhelming while forts don't allow them to escape?
Genious!

that's it buddy - like shooting fish in a barrel


I also found that they very rarely attack these forts

in my limited experience they can't help themselves from attacking them - as you can see in my screeny THREE of their stacks have snapped up the bait

the only issue I had here was having enough movement points to get to all three forts in one turn with my elephant-toasting army of trebuchets and catapults

maybe I'll replay the battle later and chuck some pics up here of the result so everyone can have a good old laugh at the charred elephant carcasses

[phonicsmonkey]

as promised

here they are waiting to be fried...

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/phonicsmonkeytw/0003.jpg

and although they left the fort (for the first time in my experience), it didn't make much difference. Mmmm, flame-grilled...

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/phonicsmonkeytw/0030.jpg

[Askthepizzaguy]

as promised

here they are waiting to be fried...

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/phonicsmonkeytw/0003.jpg

and although they left the fort (for the first time in my experience), it didn't make much difference. Mmmm, flame-grilled...

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa181/phonicsmonkeytw/0030.jpg
BWAHAHAHA
Fools!

Here they are when they enter the fort :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

Here they are after you toast them :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:

[supadodo]

and although they left the fort (for the first time in my experience), it didn't make much difference. Mmmm, flame-grilled...

Actually, AI leaving forts is perfectly normal. If the battle odds are heavily against you which judging from your army composition, it is, the AI will happily stroll out to engage you. But since forts are so darn small, those elephants must have had a hard time coming out.

[phonicsmonkey]

I think maybe they venture out more often in 1.2

this save game was from an old campaign I originally played in 1.1 (with one of Carl's problemfixers). I fought four or five battles like this and in no instance did they leave the fort, just sat there getting pummelled

when I re-fought the battle it was in 1.2 - they immediately rushed out the front of the fort......and then just sat there getting pummelled

to be fair to them, they did charge a few horses into my pavises. didn't help them much though as by the time they reached them they'd been thinned out by cross-fire and fiery rocks landing on their heads

it's pretty funny by the way to watch elephants running amok inside a fort - particularly if they start outside and run back through the gates while the rest of the force is trying to exit

hehe

[joe4iz]

I must admit to not having done this. Nor do I think I will try it. I enjoy letting them seige my towns for the fight...especially if I win.

Generally, I give Jeruselum or Antioch to an ally and will try to hold Acre.

I used to do this in RTW but after one of the patches, the AI will "bounce" out of the fort and resume where they were going. I find it funny (not in a humorous way) that you could do this. Good use of an exploit...very creative.

Did each stack occuppy a fort and then stay there? If not then I would think you may trap one or two stacks, but then they would move on. I guess you have to be careful about the position for attack or you will attack two stacks accidently.

If another stack is there, isn't there a chance that your units could get stuck and not move out?

[Vanya]

GAH! Elephants!

:book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book: :book:



GAH! Cut heads off! GAH!



What's more, Vanya must add...



GAH! If youz don't like the shoes, get out of the shoe store! GAH!



However, it is clearly evident that an elephant would need somewhat large, if not "oversized" shoes. Therefore, when dealing with such prickly issues, it is best to...



GAH! Give the doomed province to the Pope! Your selfless act will bring salvation to the people. It might also bring the 'phant riders closer to God... one way or another. GAH!



GAH!

[phonicsmonkey]

Did each stack occuppy a fort and then stay there? If not then I would think you may trap one or two stacks, but then they would move on.

In this instance three stacks fell for the bait in one turn. I can't tell whether they would have then moved on as I annihilated them that turn with fiery rocks

the rest of the Horde seemed to be dissuaded by this turn of events and turned South - later they did the very same thing at the southern extent of the fence near Gaza and I knocked off another couple of stacks

then the sorry remnants headed off into the desert towards Jedda - I started to chase them and to fence them into a smaller area with more forts, but lost interest in the campaign before I caught up with them...

[avery123]

Hi phonicsmonkey,

on yr pic executing the elephant fort barbeque, i notice that yr fort only has 1 gate.
I assumed forts always had 2 gates?

~:confused: ?????

[RemusAvenged]

Great post, I love the fort wall, I've built a few too that look like the Great Wall, in the Middle East like yours and then another up in the Steppes. Oh how they remind me of BI.

Even if the AI doesn't actually occupy the fort, I believe that's a 1.2 fix, you can still wall off the stacks from each other and then pick them apart. I've gone as far as to create zoos so that future generations can marvel at the warrior peoples of the past. Sometimes though the animals try and break loose and have to be put down.:no:

Too bad the AI isn't smart enough to pull a Blitzkrieg on these Maginot lines. Giving the AI too much credit I'll some times create double rows of forts just in case. Otherwise all you would have to do is sack one fort and move through the hole you've created.

[GFX707]

True. I believe it is public domain, and anyone can use it.
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I train all of my soldiers to defend themselves against attackers armed with fresh fruit.

Last time I checked it belonged to the English.

[rebelscum]

those elephants must have had a hard time coming out.
Yes elephants are often closet 'gay; for years before eventually breaking down and telling their families, who most often have known about it since barbar was the age of six and would not be told from putting on mummies make up.
Please catch up on a long running elephant post.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=40780

[Gray Beard]

In the Kingdom expansions I've found that the Byzantine flamethrower unit (Unlike the cannons mounted on elephants these really existed) do a wonderful job on the Timurids. I set them up like archers behind and to one side of a group of speamen and when the elephants hit the spears I run the flame throwers around roast the flank. The Elephants run amok and leave the field of battle trailing smoke like a Fiat

[phonicsmonkey]

In the Kingdom expansions I've found that the Byzantine flamethrower unit do a wonderful job on the Timurids.

Excellent.

I knew there must be a sub-conscious reason why I picked the Byzantines for my Crusades campaign....

NB. will someone please code a smiley for flame-grilling elephants?

[Shahed]

LOL. I did'nt see this before, nice job ! Do it again but with Stone Forts ;)

About the canons, I do remember seeing something like a large rifle or small canon in an old painting. I'm looking for it again, but I can't find it right now. If I do I'll post a link. As far as the 2-3 musketeers on the elephants, that's easy enough, and completely feasible.

GAH ! Vanya if youz can't find ur shoesize does'nt mean phants can't GAH !
GAH ! Phant Headsoup & heart WTFBBQ! GAH !

EDIT: Just for the sake of information:

Image courstesy of phred.
http://www.camelphotos.com/pic/army_camels5.jpg


This is from "Osman's Dream: The History of the Ottoman Empire" by Caroline Finkel

"Schiltberger wrote that Tamerlane had thirty-two trained elephants from the backs of which he is reported to have launched the legendary liquid incendiary agent known as 'Greek fire' at the Ottoman army"

The Schiltberger reference is

Johannes Schiltberger. "The Bondage and Travels of Johann Schiltberger, a Native of Bavaria, in Europe, Asia, and Africa, 1396-1427."

The battle in question is the Battle of Ankara July 20, 1402.
It's not proof positive but at least its a contemporary reference.

Note that Timur was also the only man ever (to my knowledge) to hold a Turkish King prisoner. I still have'nt found a link to that image of a gun on a Elephant, will repost if I do. I'm sure they did everything they could with elephants but of course the rapid firing uber airborne lightning strike nuclear gold chevron artillery is just pure fantasy.

[phonicsmonkey]

thanks Sinan!

I had a great time with this fort-wall....kept moving it closer and tighter around them...when I eventually tired of the campaign the remaning Tims were hemmed into a much smaller fort box in the middle of the desert.

Is there a way to get the stone forts working in the Crusades campaign? I know someone (Rhedd I think?) was trying to do it but I've been away for a bit..

[Shahed]

I do the same in Kingdoms, build stone forts everywhere, keep unwanted visitors out. There is a partial fix but I have'nt tried it yet as I was slightly confused as to what I'm supposed to do. I belive it's possible to get the forts on the battle map, but not on the strat map. Best you check it out & post a query if you have any questions:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=130065

[phonicsmonkey]

thanks, I should spend more time over at twc

hey, LOVE the camel-gunner pic by the way

great research!

[Shahed]

That's courtesy of phred, posted in another thread a while ago.
Gives new meaning to camel gunner !