Mongols [Archive]

Toda Nebuchadnezzar

07-22-2002, 20:00

Its probably likely that u will get the MHC and MLC adapted slightly, and then you will get the mercenaries again. By the time the Khanate had split up after Ghenghis Khan the more western smaller khanates probably had a lot of troops from the conquered provinces that they now ruled.

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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!

No Fear Legend.

Orda Khan

07-22-2002, 23:57

Well they won't have any of the Korean units that's for sure. I have seen Golden Horde Heavy cav, Horsearchers, aand 'warriors' listed. The Golden Horde was more than two thirds made up of conscripted conquered peoples, pressed into service during the the Russian and European campaign. This is the main reason their language was soon Turkish and their coins too
.........Orda

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Stephen Hummell

07-23-2002, 00:50

Orda, have you seen screens of the Golden Horde Warriors?

A Nerd

07-23-2002, 22:41

I found the mongol units dissapointing...first of all they all looked the same and secondly they fought so well you might have well thought they were some sort of immortal fantasy unit...

Stephen Hummell

07-23-2002, 22:58

Spanktopolis, hae you seen the mongol units?

Orda Khan

07-23-2002, 23:02

I agree Spanktopolis which is why I was looking forward to playing as Mongols in MTW, because they would be Mongol units not Korean. However we must not forget that the invasion force that Qubilai sent to Japan was 75% Korean and Chinese. The Mongol cav units are superb but if you find Mongol armies too superior try them on 103 mod. A little more testing I can assure you.
Stephen Hummell, sorry lists but no shots but to be honest I am not checking MTW stuff anymore I will wait til it's released
........Orda

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" Send us your ambassadors and thus we shall judge whether you wish to be at peace with us or at war..if you make war on us the Everlasting God, who makes easy what was difficult and makes near what was far, knows that we know what our power is."

kamizaki_nurizeko

07-26-2002, 17:16

i'm here in spirit...my soul is haunting you all> http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif....or your heaters just not on :|

HEHE http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif :d

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MagyarKhans Cham

07-26-2002, 19:30

u want a pic of a Mongol? i can give u one of our Khan

Funky Phantom

07-27-2002, 20:43

Ive seen loads of screenshots of battles, but never once (to my knowledge) seen the mongols in action :\

Kinda dissapointing, considering theyre probably everyones favourite non-playable faction, also, ive heard they only have 3 types of unit, which sounds a bit light :\

Does anyone know whether or not they actually stick around and develop the land they take over or if they just capture it and then move onto the next territory?

DarknScaly

07-27-2002, 21:36

http://www.fourbelowzero.com/games/strategy/mtw/images/mongols.jpg

Units shown are the Mongol foot - (disciplined, good archers, good mellee. good morale, large shields).

Units at bottom are : Spearmen (1), Mongol Heavy Cav (2), Mongol Horse Archers (3), Mongol Infantry(2), Steppe Horsemen(2), and a unit of Naptha throwers.

Image taken during one of the Mongol historical battles.

Enjoy.

Stephen Hummell

07-27-2002, 22:15

Steppe horsemen are basically mongol units except other factions can use them. Nice screenie.

DarknScaly

07-27-2002, 22:22

Its worth pointing out the bridges also.. much wider now and far less often do they get blocked-up etc, pathing over them is much better.
You cant destroy bridges btw.

Orda Khan

07-27-2002, 22:27

Very nice.........would I be cheeky if I said "Any more?"
........Orda

DarknScaly

07-27-2002, 22:28

whatchya want em of?

Galestrum

07-27-2002, 22:36

dark are you in beta or something? if so is it possible for you to tell me the starting units of early era byzantium http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

DarknScaly

07-27-2002, 22:37

http://www.fourbelowzero.com/games/strategy/MTW/campaign/byzants/byzantines.htm

Funky Phantom

07-27-2002, 22:41

Nice mongol screenies, first ive seen http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

That Byzantine thing was ok, but i wish it said a bit more :\

DarknScaly

07-27-2002, 22:45

Restarting both the Byzantine and English campaigns after this weekend - so they'll be more info up next week. Just busy taking off the old stuff actually, so digging out old screenies etc.

Stephen Hummell

07-27-2002, 22:56

Some more mongol screenies pleeze? Or housecarle screenies?

Emp. Conralius

07-28-2002, 11:10

Quote Originally posted by Stephen Hummell:
Some more mongol screenies pleeze? Or housecarle screenies?[/QUOTE]

The guys leading the attack might be housecarls (not sure)......................
http://www.bluesnews.com/screenshots/games/medieval/20020713rt2/MTW_pool13_jpg.shtml

Emp. Conralius

07-28-2002, 11:13

Does anyone know what these giys in the lower right hand corner are (the armoured swordsmen)?
http://www.bluesnews.com/screenshots/games/medieval/20020713rt2/MTW_excl33_jpg.shtml

Prodigy

07-28-2002, 12:22

They must be foot (dismounted) Hospitallers!

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Stephen Hummell

07-28-2002, 23:20

The dane unit are housecarles

And the italian foot knights are hospitallers
or teutonic knights.

Emp. Conralius

07-28-2002, 23:37

hhhhhhmmmmm....I never knew the Italins had Hospitallers.

Emp. Conralius

07-28-2002, 23:43

I was hoping that the housecarls would look more.... I dunno........Vikingish (is that a word?).

A nice feature about weapons and armour upgrades is now you can actually see the upgrade. My uncle had a group of Saracen Infantry with no armour upgrades (they had simple, wooden shields) but when he gave 'em a upgrade, they soon possesed metal shields. Very Cool!

Stephen Hummell

07-29-2002, 00:04

I know what you mean Emp., the housecarles look like peasents with a sheild and an axe.

Funky Phantom

07-29-2002, 00:18

I agree they didnt look very vikingish (great word :P), i mean they didnt even have beards for crying out loud :P

Emp. Conralius

07-29-2002, 01:06

When I pictured the ousecarls, it was of ruggedly dressed, axe-wielding, cooly helmeted, Viking warrior. Now look what we have, like Hummel said, just some peasents with axes!

Frantz

07-29-2002, 02:00

I dont see the relaction between Housecarls and the game , the Housecarls were the elite troops of the Saxons until Hastings ( 1066 ) then the single soldiers were assimilated in the Norman Army but were no more Housecarls as 'units' .
And its wrong to mix Housecarls with Vikings , nothing in common , its only true that the Housecarls put an end to the last Viking invasion in 1066 too .
I dont know why the Txt in the MTW demo have this error .

Orda Khan

07-29-2002, 02:06

Some Mongol Cavalry shots would be very much appreciated, thank you
........Orda

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" Send us your ambassadors and thus we shall judge whether you wish to be at peace with us or at war..if you make war on us the Everlasting God, who makes easy what was difficult and makes near what was far, knows that we know what our power is."

Emp. Conralius

07-29-2002, 03:00

Quote Originally posted by Frantz:
I dont see the relaction between Housecarls and the game , the Housecarls were the elite troops of the Saxons until Hastings ( 1066 ) then the single soldiers were assimilated in the Norman Army but were no more Housecarls as 'units' .
And its wrong to mix Housecarls with Vikings , nothing in common , its only true that the Housecarls put an end to the last Viking invasion in 1066 too .
I dont know why the Txt in the MTW demo have this error .[/QUOTE]

Yes, it is a very large mistake. In the demo files, they are not even refered to as Housecarles, they are called Vikings. Though your info was informative Frantz, most of us already knew this... Here's the file's description:

Housecarle
Almost eclipsed by newer feudal fighting men, the Vikings are approaching the twilight of their glorious history. They are extremely tough, handpicked warriors whose tactical strength lies in the 'shield wall', a formation that presents a solid front to the enemy. Vikings are only truly vulnerable if they break formation.

[This message has been edited by Emp. Conralius (edited 07-28-2002).]

Emp. Conralius

07-29-2002, 03:01

hhhhhmmmmm...most of the mercs. in the game are mounted...

Stephen Hummell

07-29-2002, 04:22

THe berserkers should be the dane unique unit.

Emp. Conralius

07-29-2002, 06:07

Quote Originally posted by Stephen Hummell:
THe berserkers should be the dane unique unit.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

Funky Phantom

07-29-2002, 18:26

If they arent the Danes unique unit then what is?

DarknScaly

07-29-2002, 18:41

Danes get Vikings which are very cheap and very good offensively during the early era but fade out over time as being that useful. They also get Longships which are excellent during Early-mid eras - cheap to build and +1 valour when built in Denmark.

Housecarls arent in the game.

Emp. Conralius

07-29-2002, 22:29

Can you be the Mongols in the Custom Battle?

Aelfred Magna

07-30-2002, 05:03

hey Dark,

Question, do you have any idea what the Danes strengths *ARE* in the high and late periods?? It seems like everything they've got is geared towards being good in the one period in which I CAN'T PLAY THEM!! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/mad.gif

DarknScaly

07-30-2002, 16:46

Danes have it hard in Late period - they have changed/defined the aspects of some factions now that they have "Faction difficulty ratings" in the game.

So some factions are easy-hard depending on which era you play them from...but it should all balance out.

For instance faction units - Wessex is now "famous for its Cogs which are +1" - but you'll only ever see cogs towards the end of a game so up until then Wessex has no bonus troops, similarly areas which produce good gothic knights etc etc...

So Early with Danes with both Vikings and Longboats is a good start - you just have to make sure you're doing well enough to have "other normal troops" later on in the game after a running start.

So they're gunning at a (with some) different challenge per faction per Era start position.

kamizaki_nurizeko

07-30-2002, 20:24

im guessing the mongols in medieval are much like the rebels and ronin of shogun, or are they a second non-playable faction that keep you on your toes?...and i saw a reveiw of medieval, depsite my former ideas of the game....DAMN it looks pretty exciting, but shoggy's still my mistress, lol http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Funky Phantom

07-31-2002, 03:00

How do the mongols make their entrance? Do they hold a few provinces at the start or appear from off the East end of the map as the game progresses?

Emp. Conralius

07-31-2002, 03:09

Quote Originally posted by Funky Phantom:
How do the mongols make their entrance? Do they hold a few provinces at the start or appear from off the East end of the map as the game progresses?[/QUOTE]

They appear in the middle of the High Era (I think), and start beatng up on the Rushkies and Lithuanians.

Emp. Conralius

07-31-2002, 03:15

At one point, my uncle was playing the campaign as the HRE, and the Mongols came from the east. And by this time my uncle had most of Western Europe under his thumb (with the exception of Spain and Denmark) and the Mongols snuffed out the Byzantines, Turks, Russians, Lithuanians, and were bearing down on the Hungarians by the year 1257. Think about that now: all the eastern powers wiped out by the Golden Horde. Only the Polish ad the Egyptians stood at their borders.