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Ignoramus
08-10-2007, 09:46
Here you may publicly engage in diplomacy with other players. You may privately discuss with others(and this is recommended), but if you anything you wish to be known or discussed publicly can be posted here.
Declared Alliances:
England and Denmark; France and Scotland
Current Wars:
England vs France;
Current Leagues:
The Catholic League - An alliance between Catholic kingdoms to further the spread of the Roman church and to defend each other from attacks of the infidel. Members: Poland, Sicily, and Denmark.
Cecil XIX
08-10-2007, 09:52
Is this in character or out of character?
AussieGiant
08-10-2007, 09:57
Deleted
Ignoramus
08-10-2007, 10:35
It's the multiplayer campaign thread.
Cecil: It's IC.
Cecil XIX
08-10-2007, 10:44
You should join, AussieGiant. We're doing a hotseat multiplayer campaign with all battles autoresolved, and the HRE is still available.
Anyways... *ahem*
His majesty Alfonso VI, Emperor of all Spain reminds all that any interference in the internal politics of Iberia will be considered an act of war. This reminder stands in perpetuity.
king malcolm of scotland expresses his love of fine french cuisine and wishes to offer a scot-french alliance.
Ignoramus
08-10-2007, 11:37
William, by the grace of God, King of England, Duke of Normandy, Count of Maine, wishes to state that any act of the Scots to ally themselves with the French shall be taken as a declaration of war and treated accordingly.
och laddie yer threats do neigh bother us highlanders our great king has not even bothered writing a reply he's told me his loyal scribe to write a reply to go with the tennis balls cos maybe you could beat us at that. OOC please excuse rubbish attempt at scottish accent i'm afraid you're stuck with it.
Ramses II CP
08-10-2007, 15:22
King Wladyslaw of Poland wishes to make it known that he believes all Catholic nations should unify under one banner to bring the known world under one church. In accordance with this, he has sent notices of peaceable intent to Spain, Portugal, France, England, Scotland, Sicily, Venice, Milan, The Holy Roman Empire, Denmark, and Hungary. These peoples have his surety that no Polish troops shall march into their lands for any reason for the length of his rule.
Though the good King is certain such caution is not needed among good Christian men, he adds that hostile acts will be answered in kind.
FactionHeir
08-10-2007, 15:37
King Roger of Sicily is of the same mindset as King Wladyslaw and welcomes any other Christians to join into a holy alliance against the heathens in the east.
However, he would also like to warn that any interference of Sicilian expansions on nearby islands will be frowned upon and may have consequences.
gibsonsg91921
08-12-2007, 15:14
King Knud of Denmark wishes to make an alliance with England for mutual protection in the waters of the North Sea and beyond.
Ignoramus
08-13-2007, 02:22
William, by the grace of God, King of England, Duke of Normandy, Count of Maine, accepts the offer of the Danes.
Ramses II CP
08-13-2007, 05:19
King Wladyslaw of Poland is pleased to announce the formation of the Catholic League, a collection of nations which have forsworn violence against their fellow Catholics and whose avowed purpose is to bring Catholicism to all the peoples of the known world. Our misguided brethern of the Orthodox church and the Muslim infidels must be brought into the light of God under the Papacy. Members of the league must:
1. Forswear aggressive military action against fellow Catholic nations. Lands that stand in rebellion, or under the sway of other beliefs are fair game.
2. Not be excommunicated or allied to an excommunicated nation.
3. Battle heresy everywhere it can be found.
4. Answer all calls to Crusade.
5. Aid one another against attacks by foreign faiths.
In particular the King would invite the kingdoms of Sicily and Spain to join the league, and an alliance with Poland, as they stand most at threat from the depredations of Islam. All other realms are equally welcome, provided they can answer to the conditions above in good faith.
(edit: spelling ;) )
FactionHeir
08-13-2007, 08:40
The King of Sicily accepts the conditions under the premise, that other Catholic aggressors must be brought back to the light, by force if necessary.
Ramses II CP
08-13-2007, 13:48
It is much to be hoped that there will be no aggression between Catholic states, however, in the unfortunate event of such the League's charter cannot require that other league members provide military aid against fellow Catholics, but of course nor will it bar it's members from doing so. Furthermore, the League will prevail upon the Pope to try to keep conflicts between Catholics from growing in all cases.
(As an OOC note, the league will function just like any other alliance in game, only with it's mission statement of conquering non-Catholics and aiding Catholics against them on top. Once you're in, you're not going to get kicked out for anything short of excommunication. If we get a few members we'll plan ways to increase our Pope-o-meter mutually and vote on crusade targets, etc.)
FactionHeir
08-13-2007, 14:42
Then Sicily will be a brother in arms with the noble Poles.
gibsonsg91921
08-13-2007, 14:52
King Knud will join the Catholic League.
(this is assuming my Russian application was successful, otherwise ignore this)
Grand Duke Yesovold of Russia is open to all alliances and would hope that all catholics will put aside the small differences between the catholic and orthodox religions and refrain from any wars with the Russians.
OOC: If only I could change religion lol, I won't stand a chance against the catholic league
Ramses II CP
08-13-2007, 17:15
Polish diplomats will be dispatched to your lands as rapidly as they can be trained. :2thumbsup:
(As for Russia, you can convert! Just let Catholic priests have free reign in your lands while not training any Orthodox priests or building Orthodox churches. What's the worst that could happen? :laugh4:
Seriously though, if a human player takes a Muslim nation we'll need a Catholic league or something similar as a shield against the power of Jihad.)
gibsonsg91921
08-13-2007, 17:23
OOC: I think Catholic League is a cool idea, but not fair.
Ramses II CP
08-13-2007, 18:21
OOC: Oh no, it's definitely not fair, but the campaign map isn't balanced for fair MP, even in single battle MP the units aren't comprehensively balanced. It's just not a fair game all around. I mean, take a look at the HRE. If Ichigo decides to steamroll one of us nearby, it's a done deal; only the possibility of an attack from the other side might prevent it, and probably not for long. I'm betting we can all find a way to have fun, even if it's not fair.
I don't know if anyone here has played the board game Diplomacy, but I imagine this playing out a bit like that. You're not going to win or lose in a fair fight because the auto-calc takes that away anyway, you're going to have to outnumber and out think your opponent, unless you can trick him into doing something silly. The key is to have fun despite that. :juggle2:
OOC: yeah if all the catholics teamed up then they could easily take over the world and factions like the HRE would soon run out of provinces to capture other than sailing miles away
but i suppose it would stil be fun trying to hold off hordes of catholics
Ignoramus
08-16-2007, 06:44
I throw down the gauntlet to you, Philippe, King of the Franks! You have insulted my son and heir, and thus me.
When you have learned your lesson I am more than willing to come to terms, but as equals, not as vasssl to liegelord, for you have done me great evil this day.
William, by the grace of God, King of England, Duke of Normandy, Count of Maine.
king malcolm of scotland wises to express peaceable intentions to all factions other than the people of the duke of Normandy and wishes to join the catholic league after said peope are eating haggis under highland rule.
Ignoramus
08-20-2007, 12:27
I have great satisfaction in reporting that Angers has fallen to my son Robert.
I trust Philippe will soon turn to reason and apologise.
William, by the grace of God, King of England, Duke of Normandy, Count of Maine.
gibsonsg91921
08-20-2007, 14:58
King Knud expresses his desire that the Holy Roman Empire fall back from the region of Hamburg. In return, the Kingdom of Denmark shall secure Oslo for the Germans.
ooc bump and scotland and england are i beleve at war so i would like to offer de william of Normandy a chance to become vassels to scotland for 2000 florins and london(when i get it)
Ignoramus
09-18-2007, 00:42
You well chewed scraps of bile are better thrown to dogs than to Normans. Nevertheless, we will force you to accept our rule over the our rightful inheritance.
William, by the grace of God, King of England, Duke of Normandy, Count of Maine.
pevergreen
09-18-2007, 01:08
Messengers go out to the kings halls:
My Lords, the Kingdom of Denmark's new advisor, pevergreen, announces that aid will come to their allies, England. Any attack against England will be an attack against Denmark.
FactionHeir
09-18-2007, 04:32
King Roger of Sicily wishes to extend an offer of alliance to Emperor Heinrich of the Holy Roman Empire.
I will gladly accept your offer King Roger.
FactionHeir
09-18-2007, 05:06
King Roger wishes to express his gratitude and will be sending his daughter Matilda to initiate contact with Emperor Heinrich at Bologna the next year.
Ramses II CP
09-18-2007, 17:24
Poland is pleased to offer an exchange of trade rights and maps with Germany and is open to further discussions if required.
King Malcolm of Scotland wishes to offer an alliance with the holy Roman emperor.
The Grand Duke of Novgorod wishes to form an alliance with the mighty King of Denmark
_Tristan_
09-25-2007, 15:41
Deleted...
OOC : I had not taken a good look at the save before posting...
_Tristan_
09-25-2007, 19:45
To Malcolm, King of Scotland :
We gladly accept your offer of alliance, hoping to get rid of the english scum...
To Emperor Heinrich, Last of the Romans :
We hope you will find profitable to accept the offer of alliance of King Malcolm of Scotland. Know that we add our offer of alliance against the Anglo-Dane axis of evil...
A marriage might even be arranged with our reknown and beautiful daughter Constance...
To King Wladyslaw of Poland :
We thank you for giving birth to the great hope of a Catholic League. France will join gratefully the League if the Anglo-Danes appetites for destruction can be sated in blood...
To the King of Spain :
We would like to extend our hand and hope we can agree on a status quo or maybe an alliance, as we have enough on our plate at the moment and Spain being free from northern threats can then turn its might to defeating the Moorish infidels...
Lastly, to William, King of England :Hell will freeze over before we give you any apology for any insult your heir might have suffered...
Know that your son Robert is at our mercy, being besieged in the forts that should have helped him delay our forces in retaking Angers... Moreover, your son is now isolated in enemy territory as our forces have taken Caen from English hands, thus making Normandy once again a vassal of France...
Surrender Angers to our forces and we will allow your heir safe passage to England... Otherwise, the Gates of Hell will open and its minions will greet their new plaything...
Ask the counsel of your son Robert as is now "wary of the French"...
I graciously accept your offer, though we see no reason at the moment to wage war on the English people.
Ignoramus
09-25-2007, 23:30
As much as we despise your terms, Philippe, we shall agree. But this is not a truce. In return, none of us shall enter each other's lands for 2 turns. I trust you agree.
William, by the grace of God, King of England, Duke of Normandy, Count of Maine.
_Tristan_
09-26-2007, 08:24
OOC : Two turns might not be enough to get your heir out of the country, let's make it two turns once he has embarked to England...
I promise you on my honor, may God be my witness, that no harm shall befall your son and his men until he's reached Albion once again...
However shall he ever set foot again on French soil, no plea will ever save him, our mercy is not limitless...
Do you wish us to have a ceasefire or would you rather remain in a state of war ?
_Tristan_
09-26-2007, 08:28
I graciously accept your offer, though we see no reason at the moment to wage war on the English people.
We're glad of your agreement, we had no wish to lead you to war with the English unless you wanted to expand northwards...
_Tristan_
09-28-2007, 20:12
Hail to you, Lords of Christianity,
From the northern frozen wastes to sun-drenched southern lands, from the western Isls to the eastern steppes,
We call on you to be witnesses to the agreement between William, King of England, and Philippe, King of France,
The agreement stands as this :
William, King of England, will call back to England all troops on French soil and promise not to return until four years (OOC : 2 turns) after they have reached the sands of Albion. The Castle of Angers will be returned to the French crown.
We, Philippe, guarantee the safe passage of said troops to England and promise not to bear arms for said four years against England.
May the Lords of Christianity and His Holiness be witness of that agreement.
Should any party fail they should incur the wrath of all Christianity...
_Tristan_
09-28-2007, 20:17
Messengers go out to the kings halls:
My Lords, the Kingdom of Denmark's new advisor, pevergreen, announces that aid will come to their allies, England. Any attack against England will be an attack against Denmark.
Hail, King Knud,
You might want to reconsider your position as England was the agressor in this war and is now on the losing side...
Wishing good advice from our Lord,
King Philippe
_Tristan_
09-30-2007, 08:42
King William of England,
One last reminder :
Be sure to leave our castle of Angers in the pristine condition you found it in, should any building be razed or burned to the ground, we would consider our agreement null and void and your men will be fair game...
Ramses II CP
10-10-2007, 15:14
King Wladyslaw the Chivalrous is pleased to issue an invitation to King Knud of the Danes to officially join the Catholic League (And exchange trade rights and maps).
In the name of avoiding accidental conflict the King further instructs me to announce the following:
A lovely Hungarian princess has wed his son and called a permanant alliance into being between Poland and Hungary; any attack on the Hungarian people will be regarded as an attack against Poland herself.
The village of Breslau has submitted to Polish rule and the lands there-about are under the King's protection.
Acts of provocation from rebels in Prague have led to the King laying siege there with the intent of bringing their rebellion to an end.
:egypt:
The Grand Duke of Novgorod wishes to form an alliance with the mighty King of Denmark
The offer still stands
pevergreen
10-12-2007, 09:03
My dear friends, I wish to extend my gratitude to those who have put forward wishes to the Danes.
To the Duke of Novgorod, our apologies for missing your message. It is accepted, let us now figure out which one of our delegates will contract this alliance.
To the French and Scottish: You have beaten England in a fair fight. All is well now.
To Wladyslaw, your invitation must be turned down at this point. I am christian only to a level. My people are still not fully converted to the true faith. Once churches spread the land, the offer will be accepted.
Ramses II CP
10-12-2007, 15:12
:yes: Understood King Knud, your people are always welcome so long as they fall within the guidelines. King Wladyslaw wishes you good fortune in bringing your people to the light.
At King Philippe's noble suggestions I believe the first conclave of the Catholic League will be held in the coming year (OOC Just have to write the post really) with the intent of establishing a more noble goal for our Christian brothers than warring amongst themselves in the form of a Crusade. At the moment I believe France and Sicily are the only nations which have, in principle, accepted the Catholic League Charter and will be invited to attend.
(OOC: Sicily appears to have excellent influence with the Pope and there's no real reason to wait for the diplomats to get together and make it official except to avoid mishaps like accidental crusade ambushes. From a gameplay perspective a crusade will definitely spice things up as armies become intermixed and cross borders. Of course it all rests with FH really, so we'll see what King Roger has to say :yes: )
:egypt:
_Tristan_
10-12-2007, 16:07
I think it might still be a bit early... Maybe a few years more might be in order to settle a few things first...
FactionHeir
10-12-2007, 16:21
OOC: Sicily's influence is so high because of an alliance with the pope :grin:
IC: A crusade may be interesting considering that there is little space in Europe for my nation to expand to, as we already hold all of southern Italy, its isles and parts of Africa. I wish to delay such an announcement until the conference however, as some foreign troops have recently made landfall on one of our isles and in the event of war, I wish to call the crusade against them.
Ramses II CP
10-12-2007, 18:42
We would appear to have a clear consensus to wait a few more years (OOC a turn or three, no reason to hurry IMHO) before calling the conclave. Perhaps this will give more nations the chance to join the League and possibly influence the outcome?
:egypt:
_Tristan_
10-16-2007, 12:52
Emissaries are sent to each Christian court bearing the same warning :
To all Christian Rulers,
Be advised that allying yourself with the Duke of Milan will be considered as a declaration of war against France.
Know that the deep invasion of our soil from the Milanese shall not go unpunished and any supporters of those attacks will incur the wrath of France.
Philippe
By the Grace of God
King of France
Ignoramus
10-29-2007, 11:55
To all the courts of true Christian kings.
Let it be known that I, William, King of England, Duke of Normandy, Count of Maine, am absolved from my agreement with Malcolm, King of Scots, to hand over the castle at Nottingham, due to his un-Christian behaviour in the eyes of His Holiness and God.
I call upon all true Catholic kings to withdraw their support from the Scottish king, and support the true champion of the Christian faith in the lands of Britain.
William, by the grace of God, King of England, Duke of Normandy(titular), Count of Maine(titular).
_Tristan_
10-29-2007, 19:18
My Lords, True Followers of the Cross,
I prevail upon you not to be dragged in a unjust war against Scotland...
William, our unruly vassal, wishes to make you forget that he himself is not far from excommunication, dragging us to the brink of Hell's domain mainly through the war that he himself started against us and that has seen him almost defeated... His ruin is only a prolonged issue...
Now he adds parjury to his many sins and he the King of Sinners wishes to lead you in a "Holy War" in nothing but name...
Let wisdom rule your decisions as I know it will
Philippe
By the Grace of God
King of France
To all the courts of true Christian kings.
Let it be known that I, William, King of England, Duke of Normandy, Count of Maine, am absolved from my agreement with Malcolm, King of Scots, to hand over the castle at Nottingham, due to his un-Christian behaviour in the eyes of His Holiness and God.
I call upon all true Catholic kings to withdraw their support from the Scottish king, and support the true champion of the Christian faith in the lands of Britain.
William, by the grace of God, King of England, Duke of Normandy(titular), Count of Maine(titular).
The King of Denmark accepted the trade rights but rejected the alliance and marriage proposal offered by the dubious King of England. Unless you settle your quarrel with Scotland, our peace-loving kingdom cannot accept your offer for alliance. We shall no longer support any dubious King and proof of English treachery worried us more than ever.
Ramses II CP
12-16-2007, 01:34
With the first crusade underway it does not seem necessary to call a conclave for the Catholic League (Re: None of us seem involved enough to make it interesting), so King Wladyslaw urges the members of the League to join the crusade and to assemble their spare priests at Constantinople for a grand mission into the lands of the infidel.
:egypt:
FactionHeir
12-16-2007, 01:37
King Roger is pleased to announced that His Holiness has sanctioned His request for a crusade towards Antioch.
He hopes that the other members of the Catholic League will join Him in His quest to reclaim the Holy Lands from the infidel.
_Tristan_
12-16-2007, 15:45
King Philippe of France is proud to announce that his son Louis is leading the French crusaders to Antioch as we speak.
By the Grace of God King Knud of Denmark,
His Majesty King of Denmark would like to make it known that from now on, any aggression toward our Scottish ally will be seen as an act of war against Denmark as well. In respond to the attack by William’s army against the Scottish populace, the King has dispatched several ships to clear the sea from English pirates, which we have done tremendously.
Know this King of England, London is no longer yours, and Nottingham will follow the same fate. Together, Danes, French, and Scottish shall crush these English dogs and clean the world from such dubious creatures.
Onward to battle and victory!
Ramses II CP
12-23-2007, 07:05
King Wladyslaw is pleased to offer alliances to the Holy Roman Empire and France in the spirit of cooperation in the progression of the Crusade (i.e. even if you don't want to join the Catholic League, which Germany hasn't commented on, it's best not to have crusade armies able to ambush one another by mistake ;)) and the addition of a member to the Catholic League at their request (The French).
Alas, the Polish crusade army has met with unfortunate circumstances as it encountered and was forced to bring to battle a Byzantine army under their Emperor which was intent on the capture of Sofia from our forces, the very castle from which our crusaders began their long journey. God was gracious and granted Poland victory (5:4 odds in my favor, but their general was superior by 3 stars. I was worried.), and the Byzantine leader now sits on a boat in a port blockaded by the Sicilians.
Attempts will be made to negotiate with the Byzantines for the peaceful passage of our noble warriors, but if such cannot be had then any men of Byzantium who stand between us and the target of the Crusade shall be destroyed.
:egypt:
I'm happy to announce that Poland and the Holy Roman Empire have entered into an alliance.
Also, to the French King I did not realize you were sieging Antwerp, I will leave the area immediately.
_Tristan_
12-25-2007, 15:04
Holy Roman Emperor,
We thank you kindly...
If you would help in the siege (OOC by placing yourself next to the city), I would gladly pay you in gold once the city is taken...
_Tristan_
12-25-2007, 21:20
Then, all is well between France and the Holy Roman Empire...
Does it mean France reject our demand?
_Tristan_
12-26-2007, 15:21
How dare you snatch this rebellious city from us like thieves in the night!
Nevertheless, your men have taken the city. For what you have done, we demand a compensation of 2,000 florins and some men to assist us taking Antwerp. These are not compulsory, but if you do it then you will gain our trust and should France involves in a trouble we will not hesitate to support you.
King Knud of Denmark
King Knud,
How was I to assist you when you left the city unbesieged and have taken the cross and are at the moment crossing our territory on that most noble cause that a crusade is.
As I had told you before, the Germans were en route to take that same city and would have lain siege before you could.
Moreover, I cannot let some rebellious scum defy French power so near our borders...
What do you propose we do ?
I am prepared to sell Antwerp to you but I am no fishmongering merchant and the price of such jewel will be a high price. That proposal I make to you as a gesture of goodwill.
Out of the 2000 you demand for the taking of Bruges, though we feel we owe you nothing, we are prepared to give you 1000 gold.
King Philippe of France
Ramses II CP
12-26-2007, 16:08
King Wladyslaw regrets to announce that negotiations with the Byzantines fell through and Constantinople now stands under siege. In addition Nicaea has been taken and is now a ward of the Polish state, though it's position is necessarily precarious.
In better news the Sicilians have been invited to formally join the Catholic League and an alliance with Poland.
It is an unfortunate start to our crusade. We wish the other crusaders better luck!
:egypt:
King Knud,
How was I to assist you when you left the city unbesieged and have taken the cross and are at the moment crossing our territory on that most noble cause that a crusade is.
As I had told you before, the Germans were en route to take that same city and would have lain siege before you could.
Moreover, I cannot let some rebellious scum defy French power so near our borders...
What do you propose we do ?
I am prepared to sell Antwerp to you but I am no fishmongering merchant and the price of such jewel will be a high price. That proposal I make to you as a gesture of goodwill.
Out of the 2000 you demand for the taking of Bruges, though we feel we owe you nothing, we are prepared to give you 1000 gold.
King Philippe of France
We have laid siege to Bruges for a long time, to simply took it away from us without any previous notification and refused to give any compensation are outrageous. You even rudely told us to "go away and take Antwerp before the Germans did". Surely you know, France already has large territory and army capable of striking beyond its border, compare these to us, and you should be grateful or what you have.
Your recent action also made us think whether we have forged a wrong alliance with France, perhaps Denmark should not turn down the offer from England. At least they have some respect for us.
Also, since you have chosen to disclose our private diplomatic letters, I might as well disclose your letter to us:
King Knud,
Dear ally,
You have put much worthless efforts in subjugating the rebels of Bruges.
Your siege had been going on for ages without success.
So we took the liberty of cutting you short at the finish line and Bruges is now a French City.
None of your men were harmed in the process of taking that town.
As our allies, you are still welcome on our soil but we would advise you to set on your sights on the neighbouring city of Antwerp, still rebel-held.
I hope you won't bear us any ill will for acting so rashly but we needed a quick access to the British Isles so that we could bring down our unruly English neighbour.
German armies are already en route to Antwerp so I strongly advise you to act fast in laying siege to that town.
Yours faithfully
Philippe
By the grace of God
King of France
This part of your letter is especially ridiculous:
I hope you won't bear us any ill will for acting so rashly but we needed a quick access to the British Isles so that we could bring down our unruly English neighbour.
You already have three ports and ships on the sea near the British Isles even before Bruges was (forcefully) taken.
_Tristan_
12-27-2007, 12:00
King Knud,
We have laid siege to Bruges for a long time, to simply took it away from us without any previous notification and refused to give any compensation are outrageous.
I will not take lessons from a ruler unable to subjuguate a rebellious city... As to refusing to give compensation, I offered 1000 florins, more than what your efforts in subjugating that town are worth...
You even rudely told us to "go away and take Antwerp before the Germans did".
I don't see how "rude" my phrasing can be construed... Next time I have some intelligence to impart to you I will refrain from doing it...
Surely you know, France already has large territory and army capable of striking beyond its border, compare these to us, and you should be grateful or what you have.
As to being grateful of what we have, we are but fought hard for it...
From what we know, you have not even been able to bring under your dominion your fellow Scandinavians...
You already have three ports and ships on the sea near the British Isles even before Bruges was (forcefully) taken.
I don't have to explain everything to you but will nevertheless for your enlightenment : I couldn't use any of my ships due to England's blockade of the Channel and thus had to embark in Bruges, behind the blockade...
Your recent action also made us think whether we have forged a wrong alliance with France, perhaps Denmark should not turn down the offer from England. At least they have some respect for us.
As to reconsidering your alliances, it might be a bit late, as England will perhaps soon not even be there to ally with... And on the subject of England's respect, the English King is not even able to respect his own liege lord as a faithful vassal should, so do you think he would truly rspect you ?
But we'll keep those threats in mind...
Philippe
By the grace of God
King of France
_Tristan_
12-28-2007, 18:37
My lords, I, Philippe of France have a grave announcement to make...
The treacherous and villainous William of England has no more country to speak of...
He has gone back to his old ways and has turned brigand scouring the lands of Scotland.
This is what happens when you try to cross the French.
https://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/badlieutenant_bucket/EnglandDestroyed.jpg
Ramses II CP
12-28-2007, 19:12
This is what comes of warring amongst ourselves, my fellow Catholic lords. Better by far that we should turn our intentions against our enemies of other faiths. I pray the brigand can be brought to heel peacefully in good time, that the lands of Scotland may no longer be troubled.
King Wladyslaw
:egypt:
FactionHeir
12-28-2007, 19:37
King Roger of Sicily congratulates his noble ally King Philippe on ridding our holy lands of such unholy men as William. May he soon be found and burnt at the stake for his crimes against Christendom.
Cecil XIX
12-28-2007, 20:24
The destruction of William's kingdom is regretable, but necessary. We would be very interested in hearing the final fate of William.
Despite our recent discrepancy with France, we still consider the destruction of England as a triumph for all of Christendom.
_Tristan_
12-29-2007, 09:47
Despite our recent discrepancy with France, we still consider the destruction of England as a triumph for all of Christendom.
I thank King Knud for his kind words and hope that no hard feelings are left between our Kingdoms.
Malcolm, King of Scots congratulates his faithful ally Phillipe on the final defeat of William and thanks the French for coming to Scotlands aid in its hour of need.
Ramses II CP
12-29-2007, 18:15
It gives me no pleasure to announce that Constantinople had to be taken in order for the Polish crusade armies to advance. The city has been immediately surrendered to Papal control, though the Pope has not yet seen fit to provide a garrison to maintain order. This unfortunate circumstance is deeply regrettable, but our crusade armies are now primarily in Muslim lands and so misunderstandings with our Orthodox brethern should be avoidable. Unfortunately the Byzantines rejected a peace offering and a state of war still exists, for the moment, between our nations. Negotiations continue, and there is hope of a lasting peace on the horizon.
In other news, Kiev stands under siege, and we wish to congratulate our Russian allies on the capture of Vilnius (In other words, I built a watchtower to keep an eye on that front. It's a wide border, shouldn't be hard to avoid trouble.).
King Wladyslaw
:egypt:
FactionHeir
12-29-2007, 19:13
King Roger wishes to inform his Catholic friends that his vassal General Alberto will make landfall at Antioch this year still and lay siege to this place that rightfully belongs to the Christian faith.
_Tristan_
12-30-2007, 18:01
King Philippe of France wishes to inform than England's former King William the Bandit has been brought to justice with the rest of his followers.
York shall soon be returned to Scotland with more to come in the future.
King Philippe wishes also to inform his fellow crusaders that his son Louis has made landfall in Greece and is fighting the Byzantines at this time, following the example of Poland and Sicily...
We would like to know why the Russians move their troops over our territory without permission and even now approaching one of our villages.
Beware, whoever spill the blood of the brave and loyal descendent of Vikings shall pay dearly for it.
Ramses II CP
12-31-2007, 16:36
King Wladyslaw would like to thank the German Kaiser for negotiating a ceasefire between the Poles and the Byzantines (i.e. by signing your alliance you auto-ceasefired me and I suspect you did the same to the French at Thessalonica, who may be less happy about it.). This is a gracious act that will hopefully someday be repaid!
The Turks proved similarly reluctant to allow a crusade army to pass, and so their capital at Iconium has been taken and their castle at Caesarea stands under siege. God willing the armies of Poland will carry the fight to the Turks until they are destroyed.
:egypt:
_Tristan_
12-31-2007, 17:05
King Philippe of France is not well pleased with the ceasefire obtained through the Holy Roman Empire acceptance of an alliance with the Byzantines which have proven a big impediment to the progress of the crusade to Antioch...
We hope it is just an error of Emperor Heinrich and would like to know how he hopes to compensate France for forcing this ceasefire down her throat...
The Russians deeply apologize for any happenings within the last few years, a few of our generals went renegade but they have been dealt with and proceedings should return to normal soon enough, those troops will leave your lands a quickly as possible King Knud.
We thank you for your cooperation, Grand Duke Ysevolod. It is good to have trust and great understandings between both of us, and we hope we both can resolve any differences in the future.
_Tristan_
01-01-2008, 21:57
The French King strides with pride in the council chambers.
My Lords,
I would make known to this noble assembly that the island of Ireland has been conquered and offered to the Pope to give his Holiness some representation nearer to our northernmost Christian brethren...
War is going on between France and the Byzantines who have tried to divide the true Christians and bring them to fight among them after impeding the progress of the righteous Crusaders towards Antioch.
We hope that our Christian allies will support us, should they have to choose between us and the Orthodox scum.
On these last words, the King takes a long and inquisitive look at the German representative.
Lastly, I wish to make it known to all Christendom that Constance of France, fairer flower of Europe, will marry Simon of Sicily, heir to the Norman throne, a reward for his worthy conduct and success in the Crusade for Antioch... The wedding shall be celebrated at Naples... You are all welcome to attend...
Let us all rejoice in the news...
King Philippe takes a seat and smiles smugly.
FactionHeir
01-02-2008, 17:53
King Roger is proud to announce that Antioch has fallen to the Norman crusaders and a church is currently being built to christianize the heathens and heretics that inhabited that place.
All crusaders and pilgrims are welcome to converge at Antioch for their pilgrimage for years to come.
_Tristan_
01-02-2008, 18:12
We congratulate King Roger on his taking of Antioch and thus the accomplishment of His Holiness' mission, a mission from God...
Ramses II CP
01-02-2008, 20:41
King Wladyslaw sends his congratulations to King Roger! If not for the intervention of the non-Catholics we would have joined your assault.
:egypt:
The German Kaiser is extremely sorry for the ceasefire that our alliance with the Byzantines caused. We are deeply sorry and will be wary the next time we accept alliances, because we wish to keep good relations with the king and his people.
Ramses II CP
01-04-2008, 16:31
King Wladyslaw has offered Philippe, King of France, an exchange of maps in order to clarify their new borders in former Byzantine territories. Additionally King Wladyslaw would invite King Roger of Sicily to the discussion table regarding Adana. King Roger's men are in the area, but King Wladyslaw's stand at the very walls (Though not holding siege).
In the interests of a peaceful resolution King Wladyslaw would offer five hundred florins and his personal guarantee to convert the castle into a village.
Additionally King Wladyslaw would agree not to contest any potential Sicilian claim to Cyprus.
At the same time King Wladyslaw lays claim to all lands currently held by the Turks as it is his intent to see that people harried to the ends of the earth and destroyed. All claims are, of course, negotiable.
:egypt:
FactionHeir
01-04-2008, 16:35
King Roger accepts Poland's claim of Adana and will withdraw his forces from the region. He also will not request any payment from Poland for this move, nor request that it be converted to a village, for the new bastion of Christendom needs soldiers.
King Roger will however claim jurisdiction over Jerusalem, Aleppo, and Acre to defend Antioch and Jerusalem against heathen hordes. King Wladyslaw is more than welcome to lay claim to Damascus and Gaza however to fortify our alliance. If Poland does not wish either Damascus or Gaza, any other Christian nation is welcome to take one of them.
_Tristan_
01-04-2008, 16:50
King Philippe gladly accepts the offer of King Wladyslaw.
We would also like to confirm to King Roger the marriage of our daughter to his valiant son in Naples this very year.
We would ask from King Roger Acre as a wedding gift for my daughter or Damascus if you would prefer. It would enable us to give help in defending the Holy Land from the Muslim Hordes.
FactionHeir
01-04-2008, 16:53
King Roger shall take Damascus for France and ensure its capability to produce men at arms when it is given to our most gracious ally.
_Tristan_
01-04-2008, 17:01
King Philippe gives many thanks to King Roger for his chivalrous behaviour and raises his glass to drink to the Franco-Norman alliance...
May the wedding of Simon and Constance be one of happiness and joy and the sign of the goodwill of both our Kingdoms.
Ramses II CP
01-04-2008, 17:01
The offer of Gaza is quite worth considering, however Poland is not yet in a state of war with the Egyptians and would prefer to press back the Turkish infidels before turning aside to launch another war. Perhaps in due time when the second crusade is launched, or when the Turks have been mastered.
Your graciousness regarding Adana will not be forgotten, sir, and will someday be repaid!
:egypt:
_Tristan_
01-05-2008, 15:53
My Lords,
After the many threatening moves of the Milanese on French soil and their invasion of our loyal Spanish ally, they have finally shown their true hands in attacking our army of former crusaders between Genoa and Milan. Therefore steps had to be taken to remove that threat and I'm proud to inform you that Milan and Genoa have fallen in front of French might... The Duchy of Milan is no more...
https://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/badlieutenant_bucket/MilanDestroyed.jpg
We wish to inform you also of the creation of the French Principality of Athens, ruled by Prince Louis, established around the Aegean sea.
King Philippe of France
Ramses II CP
01-11-2008, 17:14
King Wladyslaw sends word that he must decline the French offer of mutual military access for the simple reason that there are currently no enemies we must march through each other's lines to reach. If the King decides to take a larger role in the southern Levant, or other circumstances change, then the offer shall certainly be reconsidered. (Didn't seem to be any reason to have access right now :shrug:)
Adana stands under siege and the Turkish Sultan has been driven from our lands.
:egypt:
_Tristan_
01-13-2008, 15:24
The French King wishes to make it known to Emperor Heinrich that he would consider selling Antwerp for a firm sum of gold and not tribute... The King is no money-lender nor pawn-shop owner...
However, Antwerp could be exchanged for Bologna and such an offer has been made...
OOC : Depending on whether the save is the good one...
_Tristan_
01-24-2008, 09:59
King Philippe of France adresses the assembly of Lords.
My Lords, the Italians are a bunch of treacherous :furious3: m :furious3: rs.
Only the Sicilians find favouor in our eyes being of Norman descent...
After the treachery of the Milanese attacking our former crusaders, the Venitians have struck against us and taken the castle of Rhodes from our hands.
The thiefs are in for their money as we have evicted them from Italy all together in a swift and merciless assault on the great city of Venice.
These actions were Pope-sanctioned and his Holiness is more than pleased to be rid of these obnoxious neighbours.
I know that some of you Lords were allied to the Venitians and I would apologize to you if it has caused you some difficulties.
With this, the King sits back down.
FactionHeir
02-08-2008, 13:52
King Roger of Sicily feels it necessary to point out that neither the Milanese nor the Venetians have pursued aggressive action against the French before being attacked. It saddens King Roger that he lost both his fellow Italian brothers as allies as a result, but he wishes to express his displeasure that King Philippe felt it necessary to strike out against two Sicilian merchants after our agreement that there would be no such further action.
_Tristan_
02-08-2008, 14:37
I would remind King Roger that the Milanese attacked our former Crusading army stationed near Milan without cause and were punished for it...
The Venetians started the war by attacking French-held Rhodes and are now themselves paying for it.
As for Sicily's merchants, their presence on French soil had been tolerated long enough without due payment.
His Holiness has nothing to say about France's actions and endorses our policies.
[EDIT] One more thing, on the subject of merchants, we sent you a letter about the agressive ways of your merchants around Milan and required of you compensation or removal of such agents...
This letter went unanswered and we acted accordingly.
I hope our alliance still stands...
[EDIT#2] My scribes have found a copy of said letter (OOC : 24th, Jan)
King Roger,
I would ask you to keep your merchants on a shorter leash...
I tolerate their presence in my lands around Milan but not at the cost of my own merchants being taken out of business...
If you want to go on a commercial war, I'm up for it... Otherwise, I hope you will compensate my loss.
If no agreement can be reached, I will ask you to retreat your men out of French lands or take the risk of being taken out of business forcibly...
Hoping we can reach such a trade agreement,
Philippe
By the Grace of God
King of France
FactionHeir
02-08-2008, 21:22
The men reporting to King Roger have noted that the Milanese were not the aggressors in the conflict nor were the Venetians. While they may be fallible, so may any Frenchman. King Roger however does not wish to bore this chamber.
As for the merchant matter, only one French merchant had been taken out of business and if I may say, he was of little value (OOC: Finance 0 iirc). Indeed I believe my actions were beneficial for France. However, your nation has robbed two of my more experienced merchants, which is very regretful. I believe that I should be the one asking you for compensation now. Further, as allies, I do not believe that there is any reason that you should not tolerate our merchants, who are unarmed, on Italian lands.
_Tristan_
02-13-2008, 12:17
King Philippe wishes to inform King Roger than in order to make amends for the past events in northern Italy his diplomatic offer has been accepted.
May I enquire as to why there is a large Danish army on my lands? This violation of our truce will be tolerated if they have left by next year, but stay any longer and there will be retribution.
Truce? Have we ever made truce? Retribution? You must be joking, we shall smash your weak and cowardly troops to pieces before you even know it...
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
My apology for the Russian Duke. We were not serious with the recent statement :grin2: Our troops were pursuing a group of brigands and accidentally crossed into your territory. We shall immediately withdraw our troops back to our border.
that is pleasing to hear, though for future reference I know the extent of your military and it does not worry past the fact that it will hinder my expansion into the East.
A large Hungarian army has appeared on my border near Vienna, if they cross onto my lands I will be forced to act.
Emperor Heinrich
Ramses II CP
02-21-2008, 14:18
I will discuss this matter with the Hungarians at my next opportunity. It would be dreadful if conflict were to begin over such a matter. I pray that the peace between my two allies can be maintained.
King Wladyslaw
:egypt:
The Danish representative, furious after the "incident" at one of Danish settlements:
I come here to bring a message to all Kingdoms of Europe, especially to the one that attempted to cause trouble within one of our settlements. Let it be known that any foreign agent caught doing any crime or wrong acts inside our settlements, will be executed. And anyone who sponsored this particular troublemaker shall be swiftly punished and their journey to afterlife hasten. Let us not forget the fate of a Kingdom once existed by the name of "England".
He walks away with sneer look at the Frenchmen
_Tristan_
02-21-2008, 16:01
The French emissary rises at this point.
Dane, keep your empty threats... If the French had an assassin in your lands, which they have not, they would not go for mere sabotage but there would be royal blood spilt, believe me...
As to suffering the fate of England, check your maps and your reports and think again who is nearer to that fate this very day...
It is a shame that you have insulted us so as we were prepared to help you in uncovering the guilty party as an ally should act towards his ally... A watchtower has been built at our common border and could have helped in revealing the agent's employers... Now be sure that we will keep that piece of information for us, unless some pardon is asked first...
Lastly, what would we gain from sabotaging buildings in Denmark ? And better yet, who would gain the most ?
Answer that last question and you might find your culprit...
Finishing that last sentence with a wide gesture encompassing the whole assembly, the French emissary sits down, a stern look on his face.
The Danish representative is unsure whether to laugh, or to take insult after he heard French emissary's reply. He holds his breath, and begin to speak
My dear ally, we did not accuse you of doing some lowly criminal behavior in our territory. It was clear, that we address our message to all Kingdoms of Europe, regardless of who really did the sabotage. But why did you take our words as if you were the one who did it? You could reply gently, or just ignore us, if you really did nothing wrong.
I advise you to watch your words, it was clear you are the one who are threatening us with your words. And about your last questions...you talked as if you know nothing of "dirty business". By sabotaging our buildings, you could possibly do one of the followings:
First, prevent the recruitment and training of local militia
Second, disrupt and weaken our economy
Third, instill fear among our people and troubles
There are many more effects, but I will not go into details, because I am sure you already know the answers. As to who gain the most...it was clear whoever behind this will gain the most benefit.
And finally, we want you to remember this: If we found out that you actually did no harm to us, we are willing to apologize and pay certain amounts of compensation for accusing you. But if you, Frenchmen, turned out to be the one behind this criminal act, then may God has mercy upon the righteous. Our kingdom might be smaller than you, but that does not mean we are weaker than you.
The representative stares at the French emissary, showing no sign of fear
_Tristan_
02-21-2008, 17:51
OOC : My answer was perhaps a bit too OOC taking into account what was said in the Main Thread...
Anyway, what is done is done...
IC :
I hope your investigation goes well for we have nothing to fear and we gladly accept your offer of compensation...
May I inquire when you will estimate that your investigation will be over ?
Just asking with regard to collecting our compensation...
I will discuss this matter with the Hungarians at my next opportunity. It would be dreadful if conflict were to begin over such a matter. I pray that the peace between my two allies can be maintained.
King Wladyslaw
:egypt:
My people and I thank you. I would hate for blood to be spilled in any case.
Emperor Heinrich
The Danish representative stands up, upon hearing the latest situation
Hear! Hear! The Frenchmen are trying to play with us! We have located a French spy inside the forest, hiding, not far from our city.
https://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7241/frenchagenttl9.jpg
The representative then stares at the shamed French emissary
I ask, what exactly is France business here? Why is there a French spy very close to our city? Even better, he's trying to hide! I warn you, Frenchmen...it's just a matter of time before we discover your assassin...you better prepare to pay us a huge amount of compensation...or we will be forced to act.
_Tristan_
02-23-2008, 16:53
The French representative rises.
Let me quote the minutes of these chambers...
It is a shame that you have insulted us so as we were prepared to help you in uncovering the guilty party as an ally should act towards his ally...
Our man was behind our borders until your announcement of foul play in 1120 but on hearing of your predicament, he was sent on a mission near Arhus to try and discover the guilty party... He began his investigation in the vicinity of the city and then followed the same reasoning as you, it seems, and went looking into the woodlands...
Unfortunately, the foul weather did not allow him to come back behind our borders...
Moreover, I'm sorry to report that he hasn't found any evidence of any other foreign agent.
On the matter of compensation, I've been asked to tell you that the longer you go on insulting us before this Council, the more we'll ask in compensation.
Should our man go on with his investigation or do you wish him gone ?
Clearly waiting for an answer, the French representative sits down, counting on his fingers and nodding slowly.
Let me also quote the words of hypocrite France
Moreover, I'm sorry to report that he hasn't found any evidence of any other foreign agent.
Don't try to fool us. The only agent in our land is your agent. Indeed, we suspect you have sent a spy and an assassin to our land.
I will just make it short, because it is clear these Frenchmen are playing with us. What will you pay as compensation if we discover French assassin on our land?
As for your spy, he is going nowhere...
_Tristan_
02-23-2008, 17:38
The French representative stands again.
How is my man to go nowhere ? Would you care to point him in the general direction at least ?
As to an eventual compensation, do not ask what we are prepared to pay but ask yourself what you will be able to pay, once you discover how you have erred, to fulfill your own promises...
Not once you have even considered that we might have acted out of good faith and that while you insult us and drag our name in the mud, one of the fellows in these very chambers is striving to keep from laughing out loud...
Let me say this : I will not hold you accountable if you fail to discover proof of our alleged culpability but France wishes to warn all other powers in these chambers that should we discover the party that has been trying to frame us, we will bring them down even if we have to cross the whole world to do so...
The French representative sits again, anger clearly burning in his eyes...
FactionHeir
02-26-2008, 17:33
King Roger is most alerted by what his agents have reported. It seems that there are French assassins roaming the area around Rome, and several of them seem to have taken victims already, judging by the reports from the area.
This also seems to confirm that it may well be that the assassin near Arhus was from France as well.
Cecil XIX
02-27-2008, 00:31
Unfortunate. Though we thought nothing of it at time, we can confirm that a French assassin is on the border between his country and Navarre. It would be troublesome indeed if the French were to send such an agent into Iberia, which is ruled by naught but France's own allies.
It seems, after all, Frenchmen are bad people who like to play dirty tricks with everyone, even their allies! Worry not however, we have discovered your true evil intentions, and the assassin, now attempting to flee from Danish land...
https://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2792/frenchassassinyk8.jpg
This must be some kind of mistake. I have found the French nothing but honorable in their dealings. It was they who put an end to the English menace.
Ramses II CP
02-27-2008, 06:41
The evidence appears quite convincing to me. With great regret King Wladyslaw has begun commissioning his own assassin who will travel with him at all times for protection. No doubt this will reduce his hard earned reputation for chivalry, but the King's life must come first.
May God keep you all safe.
:egypt:
The Scottish representative looks scornfully at the Polish one.
This "proof" I see seems rather weak to me. One is a suspect report of a French spy. Even if that one is true it has no bearing on whether sabotage was committed by the French, as only assassins are trained to do that kind of damage. All it shows is that France is as interested as all of us in what goes on beyond their borders.
The second report is of a French Noble obviously being protected by his bodyguard assassin from the threat of foreign assassins, and on French soil. He most likely is returning from building watchtowers on the border with his rather aggressive neighbor, a wise view in my opinion. I'd note that the Polish king himself is now protected by an assassin, should we call him the culprit if we happen to find him marching about his own land?
Obviously there was no assassin at all. The building was most likely destroyed by some disgruntled or drunk Danish peasants and the Danish King is using it as an excuse to stir up trouble.
The evidence appears quite convincing to me. With great regret King Wladyslaw has begun commissioning his own assassin who will travel with him at all times for protection. No doubt this will reduce his hard earned reputation for chivalry, but the King's life must come first.
May God keep you all safe.
:egypt:
Ramses II CP
02-29-2008, 14:45
The Polish King is not within marching distance of any foreign city, much less the Danish capital, with the assassin he just commissioned to defend himself. Until this act of sabotage made it clear what terrible acts some of his fellow Catholic lords were willing to stoop to King Wladyslaw considered the hiring of assassins to be a lowly act.
While I suppose Scottish cities may frequently see their sheep fences knocked over by peasants, this was a structure large enough that it would take a horde of peasant who could not have worked without being seen... or one well trained and skilled agent of darkness.
I quite understand why you would be sympathic to your French masters, but do attempt a nonce of impartiality?
:egypt:
FactionHeir
02-29-2008, 15:27
It is surprising that King Malcolm would discard such evidence and even ignore the notion that we, the King of Sicily, have brought forward.
The Danish representative laughs at the Scottish
So, the Scots have became French servants I see. Indeed, the fact that there is no longer any Frenchman in this chamber mean that they are afraid and can no longer deny many accusations pointed toward them. Instead, they use their Scottish minions to do the job.
And I can only laugh at this statement:
The building was most likely destroyed by some disgruntled or drunk Danish peasants and the Danish King is using it as an excuse to stir up trouble.
It seems even Scotland is trying to come up with inane explanations to defend French clearly hostile attitude.
I don't need to warn you that Scotland has almost been exterminated once, by an old Kingdom called "England". Don't make someone else do it again...
I discard it because it proves nothing. As far as I am aware a man may travel with a bodyguard on his own land, as the French Nobleman in the report did, and spies do not sabotage buildings.
As for the Polish representative, I believe that it is you that is being partial, taking such poor evidence as proof.
I would also like to note that my own diplomat was killed in his sleep as he rested in an inn in Sicilian territory this past season. I know not who did it, but suspect that those same Kings most loudly seeking to assign blame without evidence for the sabotage are the likely culprits.
How convenient that a member of this court threaten me just as my diplomat is slain...
_Tristan_
03-01-2008, 09:38
The Danish representative laughs at the Scottish
there is no longer any Frenchman in this chamber mean that they are afraid
The French representative stands and adresses the Danish representative.
Why should we be here in these halls where we are dragged in the mud ?
We have no fear, and certainly not of you.
What we find particularly strange is how our Scottish ally diplomat on his way to Rome to reconcile his kingdom with the Pope has been found dead in some strange circumstances on the lands of a power that claims to have no assassins and will likely accuse of the deed on the grounds of having found a man in our employ near Rome.
This said with a knowing look towards the Sicilian representative.
Perhaps we had gotten word of a plot to attent to the Pope's life and our man was there to prevent such a devilish plan to be successful...
Now we have matters of importance to attend... Much more important than all this bickering...
The French representative leaves the chamber.
FactionHeir
03-01-2008, 11:53
While Sicily has started employing assassins for our own protection this season with the completion of the inn at Florence, we have not yet used their services.
Indeed, we have been more busy taking Nicosia and are pleased to announce that the old Romans are no more.
It is interesting that our ally France would accuse us of a plot to assassinate the Pope when they have their assassins roaming the area around the Papal States and their assassin was found escaping Florence this year!
Here is proof of the French agent, although there may be more we have not found:
https://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5453/001lq2.jpg
https://img86.imageshack.us/img86/2790/002qg9.jpg
_Tristan_
03-03-2008, 14:46
While Sicily has started employing assassins for our own protection this season with the completion of the inn at Florence, we have not yet used their services.
I wonder how Sicily managed to train at least two assassins if it only managed to build an inn this last season.
I can show proof also...
https://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee86/badlieutenant_bucket/medieval22008-03-0314-11-47-85.jpg
Plus I would like to state that some of my agents have also been the target of assassins namely one of my merchant escort captains and his charge the merchant he was sworn to protect.
This happening took place at the border between Florence and Genoa and so I will do as my Danish and Sicilian colleagues and jump to conclusions and accuse Sicily of those murders...
Now that accusations have been thrown around, I have some more announcements to make :
The Republic of Venice is dead and its last settlement at Rhodes has been given to the Holy Father.
This matter settled his Holiness has seen fit to declare a Crusade on the capital city of the Moors at Marrakech to destroy those unbelievers in the glory of Christ.
France has already answered the call and urges its fellow Christians to join in its wake.
FactionHeir
03-03-2008, 15:02
OOC: I queued up 2 assassins for training but wasn't aware both were trained. I think I might have loaded up the last save in the wrong mod folder as only my VanillaMod folder allows 2 agent trainings a turn. :oops:
[edit]
I believe the fact that the construction was just completed last turn as per the screens I posted backs that up
...how our Scottish ally...
We found it very ironical that both French and Scottish emissary called each other as "ally" when in truth no alliance has ever been declared between the two kingdoms, even until now. In fact, it is only Kingdom of Denmark, which has became Scottish ally. This could only mean that both of you are complete hypocrite, or have short memory.
https://img228.imageshack.us/img228/851/frenchscotsironycl7.jpg
Also, it is not only us, but almost, if not all, people in Europe that have little trust toward France. Rumours keep coming about countless numbers of assassination and sabotage attempts by French agents on friendly French neighbors being waged...
I would like to ask that our ally Denmark kindly refrain from sending warships to my coast. The Scottish fleet is more than capable of handling pirates in our own waters.
We'd like to know why Scotland justified French agents located outside their Kingdom but object to the present of our ships which are clearly not located within anyone's territory?
Before you accuse us of spreading lie, this words are taken from your previous statement:
This "proof" I see seems rather weak to me. One is a suspect report of a French spy. Even if that one is true it has no bearing on whether sabotage was committed by the French, as only assassins are trained to do that kind of damage. All it shows is that France is as interested as all of us in what goes on beyond their borders.
Because the main purpose of spies to collect information. I do not use them outside of my borders myself, but I suspect many of the nations here do. If captured they can be executed or imprisoned as spies and noone is likely to raise a complaint.
Warships sailing up to my very coast are a military threat, yet if I were to remove them you would consider it an act of war.
I agree if a Nation does not want Spies they should stop them, assassins are allowed within ones lands. The French may have noticed a Russian spy has been viewing their Empire since 1080.
Greetings, we are proud to announce the signing of Charter of the Alliance between Kingdom of Denmark, Holy Roman Empire, Kingdom of Poland, and Kingdom of Sicily.
Charter of the Alliance
1. Purpose of the Alliance:
The Alliance has its origins in the realization that its members have more to gain from cooperation than in engaging in separate foreign policies, which would allow enemies to divide and conquer the Alliance. For this reason the Kingdom of Denmark, the Holy Roman Empire, Kingdom of Poland, and Kingdom of Sicily, have formed the Alliance to face common threats, cooperate in the expansion of its member-states, and form a common foreign policy.
2. Obligations of its Members:
a. The primary obligation of members to the Alliance is that of a common defense. Any country that attacks any member becomes an enemy to all, and we will stand united against them.
b. Another obligation to members is to cooperate on forming a common foreign policy concerning the Alliance's relations with the other countries of the world. Whenever possible, members will stand with each other in any dispute or war between a member and any non-member. To ensure that this will not put any member into an awkward position unless absolutely necessary, major plans should be discussed before being put into place by any single member.
c. The Alliance does not prohibit members from making their own bilateral deals or alliances with countries outside of it. However, it is important that Alliance agreements and obligations trump any bilateral agreements and no member should engage in plans against another member.
3. Rights of the Members of the Alliance:
a. Members of the Alliance might withhold aid (military or otherwise) in a war of aggression by one party, with some form of justification, but should guarantee in all cases, not to provide aid to, or intervene on the side of the warring party's enemies.
b. Members of the Alliance might forbid or restrict other members' agent and troops movement on its territory when there is no hostile aggressor presence on the Alliance territory.
c. Members of the Alliance might leave the Alliance, with prior notice.
4. Extraordinary Situations:
a. This charter shall be null and void if any member of the Alliance attacks the Papal State.
b. If any member of the Alliance attacks other member of the Alliance, the aggressor will be instantly expelled from the Alliance and become enemy of the rest of members of Alliance.
FactionHeir
03-16-2008, 21:42
I, Prince Simon, declare that the Kingdom of Sicily will rethink its stance towards its longtime ally, France, in the light of their endless wars against godfearing and law-abiding good Christians. My father is down with an ailment and as his heir, I believe that the Kingdom of Sicily is better served remaining allied with its fellow brothers in faith rather than a Kingdom that will attack without reason any other Christian kingdom.
We have supported France without wavering when they went to war against Milan and then against Venice when they had been our allies too. But now attacking the small kingdom of Hungary after seemingly giving them Ragusa can no longer be tolerated.
We shall not be hostile towards France, but we cannot remain allied without jeopardizing all of our other alliances.
Fellow Kings, I hope and pray that this coalition was not formed for the purpose of aiding the aggressive intent of some of its members.
I was right to be concerned about the warships the Danish King had sent to scout out my coastline. This season he landed a large army on my territory and took Scotland's ancestral capital of Edinburg. Even now they march on Inverness.
There has been much said here of French aggression, primarily as directed against those not members of this court. If it is true that you stand against naked aggression and the seizure of land not belonging to the aggressor, I implore you to censor the Danish King. He gave no warning of this attack, on one of his allies. I have done nothing to him, except question his attempts to foment war among the Kings of Europe, and he responds with this despicable act of treachery.
https://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7954/image001ak6.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
The Kaiser is displeased with the actions of the Danish King. He demands to know why he would form a Coalition to protect against senseless aggression, when he himself is the one who attacks for seemingly no reason.
Kaiser Heinrich
Ramses II CP
03-17-2008, 03:55
King Wladyslaw is also immensely displeased to be drawn into a defensive alliance with a nation which turns out to be the aggressor in a war between Catholics. Unless some explanation is forthcoming the Poles will withdraw from the Coalition, pull their agents out of Danish land as quickly as possible, and call a vote to expel the Danes from the Catholic League (If anyone cares about that dead institution :laugh4: ).
:egypt:
So King Malcolm proved to be a French servant after all, how short the memory of this King of Scotland? We have made a warning in this very council, a long time ago
...I don't need to warn you that Scotland has almost been exterminated once, by an old Kingdom called "England". Don't make someone else do it again...
And made other warnings in respond to your attitude, the presence of those two ships should have been clear indication. But it was clear that you chose to ignore them.
After all, you have been excommunicated for a long time by the Papacy, and by becoming French servant you only made it worse. The time has now come to free the people of Scotland from its tyrannical and heretical King. And in doing this, I believe the Holy Father does not object to our chivalrous missions.
That is your excuse for betraying and attacking an ally? What a pathetic man you are, seeking to take advantage of Scotland's failing to realize a decades long ally would attack them out of the blue.
The only consolation for this even is that your fellow coalition members have seen through your petty betrayal and will not aid you. Feel free to keep up this war against one you signed a treaty of alliance with, who had never done you any harm. I suspect that lacking surprise, you will be incapable of advancing much further.
Do not you worry, King Malcolm. The people of Scotland are welcoming us as their new chivalrous ruler and I believe they will not hesitate to send enemy of the Pope to hell :skull:
The Danes have made a mistake, these actions will not be forgotten.
_Tristan_
03-17-2008, 17:39
A French emissary enters the chamber and adresses the assembled lords.
Finally, the Danes show themselves for the bandits and cowards they truly are...
First they unduly accused us of sabotage, then rather than take the matter up with us they strike at our common ally, who, since England's treachery has been punished, is struggling to keep its kingdom afloat and regain favor with his Holiness...
I say coward because had the Danes some courage they would have struck at us and not at our Scottish friend...
But Danes, you shall soon learn that who lives by the sword shall die by the sword...
With this, the messenger unleashes its sword from its scabbard and launches through the air towards the Danish representatives' bench, forcing them to bolt from their seats or be impaled by French steel...
The HRE will aid the Scots in any way they can. They only need to ask.
Fellow Kings, I have been deeply touched by the support I have received. I must admit, since it was the Danish King himself who announced the "Charter of the Alliance" I was fearful that his attack would not be dondemned by the other members. However, it has become obvious that this Alliance is no friend to those who would attack and betray an ally to fulfill his greed. I am humbled by the chivalry shown by the Kings present these past few days.
To my French ally, I will gladly accept your aid in freeing Britain or any other lands of mine invaded, however I know that you have had internal troubles of late and would ask that you not overstretch yourself.
To the Kaiser, your offer of help overwhelms me. I would not ask you to war against a King with whom you have so recently signed an alliance, unless you feel his traitorous actions have nullified the agreement.
To the others who have offered support to me in this time of crisis, I offer my thanks. It will not be forgotten.
To the Kaiser, your offer of help overwhelms me. I would not ask you to war against a King with whom you have so recently signed an alliance, unless you feel his traitorous actions have nullified the agreement.
I do not plan on starting a war with Denmark, though I will think over the alliance and decide if it is in the best interest of my people to keep it. If you need any more florins to support your war effort, other than what we have already agreed upon, you need only ask.
Kaiser Heinrich
Ramses II CP
03-18-2008, 04:47
I intend to register my disapproval by withdrawing my nation from the Coalition immediately, and withdrawing my agents from Danish territory as soon as possible. I have aided the Danes in the name of cooperation amongst Catholics, but I am ashamed to say it appears my aid has led only to more war. No Catholic nation need fear Poland's armies for so long as I rule, but neither will any further aid flow to the Danes.
May God bring justice to this situation, it is beyond my means to do so.
King Wladyslaw
:egypt:
To Holy Roman Empire and Kingdom of Poland,
https://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8702/excomscotjs2.jpg
Do you prefer to support the heathen King of Scotland? Do you prefer to support the man who had led his subjects to God's fury? The excommunicated? It is your choice of course, if you want to support this enemy of the God. I have talked with the Holy Father, and he agreed to support Denmark to carry this chivalrous mission in order to cleanse Scotland from the filth and sinful beasts. In fact, as his show of gratitude, he agreed to form a coalition with us and give us a territory.
King Wladyslaw, you might withdraw your agents as you wish. Denmark has already trained its own agents to ensure the security of its borders. I know you have urgent need somewhere else, and we thank you for your generosity.
The Danish representative then draws his ancient sword and stares at the French representative, slowly walking in a circular pattern around the Frenchman, closing him
Frenchman...
Coward!...Coward!...Coward!
Don't make embarrassment out of yourself. When you talk about cowardly act, it was clear by sending assassins to do dirty work, while at the same time the King of France and many of his servants hide behind the castle wall, only come out to kill the weaks. Surely you have realized that these act by Frenchmen are nothing more than act of cowards, cowards at their worst.
When the Danish representative got within several footsteps away from the French representative, he swiftly approached the Frenchman with the edge of his sword pointing close on the Frenchman's neck.
Those who lives by the sword shall die by the sword...
So be it! We the descendants of Vikings do not fear death. Death is on the hand of the mighty Lord, and not some coward like you. Countless enemy have fallen before us, so I suggest, that you think carefully about what you say.
The Danish representative pulls his sword and put it back on his shoulder, he slowly walks back to his bench
Ramses II CP
03-18-2008, 16:08
Noble Lords of the Council I have been deeply troubled by the events of the last few years. Since the destruction of that building at the Danes' capital it seems as though all of Europe is spinning out of control. I have been praying for guidance, and I believe I have found Poland's answer.
As I have vowed, so shall it be, no Polish armies will march into foreign lands except by invitation for mutual defense. Not so long as I, Wladyslaw, still reign!
Nor shall Poland supply any support to Catholic nations that war on other Catholics. No matter that the Scots are excommunicated, that is a difficulty between her King and the Pope, the good Catholic people of Scotland should not be conquered on those grounds. If the Pope felt Scotland as a whole required punishment he would ask for a crusade, which he has not done.
With that in mind, Poland is forced to withdraw from her alliance with the Danes. I have offered you a small island in a far off land as compensation King Knud, and I wish to personally assure you there there is no hostile intent behind this declaration.
Unless an explanation for their war with the Hungarians is forthcoming Poland will also be forced to withdraw from her alliance with the French. We are deeply grateful for the territory you have granted us, but I must stand on my honor first. If you wish those lands returned to you that will be arranged forthwith, though I am likely to lose control of Rhodes rather quickly.
It is my deepest wish to see Catholics everywhere living in peace with one another and not subject to war or oppression. I cannot set armies to march on those grounds, but I can and will rescind alliance agreements on those grounds, and any peaceful Catholic who asks for Polish troops to enter their lands and aid in their defense will be granted those rights, to the extent such is possible. Obviously I cannot aid Scotland as we share no border, nor military access, nor an alliance, and King Malcom is excommunicated. Nonetheless if Danish aggression should continue the armies of Poland will stand with the Kaiser, should they be invited into his lands, and will aid him in the defense of his cities.
God grant us all peace!
King Wladyslaw
:egypt:
_Tristan_
03-18-2008, 16:57
King Roger, King Wladyslaw,
For years now, I have been reviled in France's name as a power-hungry and untrustworthy neighbour...
So much so that I felt it was time to prove to the whole known world how generous and peaceful France can be...
Some of you can testify to that already...
France is now only a minor faction in terms of lands, enough for our simple needs... We had over-extended and thus needed to recenter ourselves on the essentials, that being folowing the word of God...
While doing so, we gifted lands to the Hungarians in search of a peace-spreading alliance but in doing so, we had not counted on the King of Hungary inability to provide for a garrison for the city of Thessalonica...
We feared that the city left to its own devices would declare its independence, something we could not allow... Our forces retook the city and led to a misunderstanding with the Hungarians (OOC : if only we could reload...) who saw this as a declaration of war...
Know I perfectly understand your stance in regards to our alliances but I wish you will reconsider now that you can see that France is no longer a threat to any of its neighbours (whose number has been greatly reduced by the way...)
Finally, we have turned on the path of peace but for one thing that remains for us to do : punish the Danes for their unwarranted attack on our common Scottish ally...
We hope none of the Lords will stand in the way of that long overdue punishment...
King Philippe of Paris, Caen, Toulouse and Thessalonica, once called Greater France.
Ramses II CP
03-18-2008, 17:58
So if I am to understand the war with Hungary properly, you surrendered Thessalonica to Hungarian control. Their King then declined to provide a garrison for that city, which caused you to immediately retake it... to try to keep order?
The city is far from Hungary's borders, so it should come as no surprise that the Hungarians could not march an army there immediately. In any event, though it seems most strange, I am willing to accept that this is a sad misunderstanding. If you can secure a ceasefire with the Hungarians and there are no further conflicts I will not feel obligated to dissolve our alliance.
I will discuss the matter with the Hungarians at my first opportunity. I pray that God looks more kindly on your people during this period of consolidation.
King Wladyslaw
:egypt:
_Tristan_
03-19-2008, 16:15
King Wladyslaw,
As you will surely witness, Thessalonica has been returned to Hungary and aptly garrisoned... King Laszlo has seen our point and has granted his pardon for our somewhat rash action...
A truce has been signed. I hope the good relations between France and Poland will continue unchanged.
King Philippe of Paris.
Ramses II CP
03-19-2008, 17:02
Indeed, at my soonest opportunity I will check with my Hungarian allies, and if matters are peacefully concluded then I see no reason why France and Poland should not continue their alliance. You understand that the royal families of Hungary and Poland are closely intermingled, and so their fate is inextricably linked to my own. I simply cannot disregard even minor incidents that threaten them.
Again, I pray that God looks kindly upon your consolidation.
King Wladyslaw
:egypt:
https://img519.imageshack.us/img519/3320/hungariansvu2.jpg
:sweatdrop:
It seems as though war with the Hungarians is inevitable. Their large army that I informed you all of earlier has moved towards Zagreb. Two smaller armies have appeared from the south and east.
Also, to the Russian Duke I have sent a diplomacy towards your capitol, but I believe it will take him many years to reach you.
OOC: Everyone spammed me with diplomacy all at once :confused:
Askthepizzaguy
04-04-2008, 03:59
Hey Guys... is this the original IC thread for the Campaign game I just joined in Tran's place?
Ramses II CP
04-04-2008, 04:03
This is the one. :beam:
Askthepizzaguy
04-04-2008, 04:10
It is with great pleasure I announce that the former Danish King, Knud the First, has been slain by my assassins. His reign of terror has come to a timely end.
I, King Knud II, have ascended to the throne in his place, and I wish to end this pointless war with our ancestral brothers, the Scottish. If they accept my peace proposals, the foreign policy of this great Kingdom will forever be changed. I will withdraw from Scotland entirely, in the negotiated stages, and restore peace to the lands!
I wish to extend a hand of friendship to all states, and I also wish to renew my alliances, if they had been terminated under the previous King. I also wish to extend an offer to the Russians regarding peace. Riga shall be yours in exchange for a small sum of gold, and we will stay out of Russian affairs entirely.
The Danish people and their new leader deeply apologize to the entire assembly for the embarrassing and stupid actions of our predecessor. Our withdrawl from Scotland will be our reparations. We will be limited to our home 4 provinces, so I ask that in exchange for peace, we will negotiate with our friends and neighbors for territory. We want to survive as a state, of course. We will offer generous terms for any land you can offer us, and we will not forget your actions.
God willing, there will be peace in the realm again!
I would however, warn that any nation who has spies or assassins in our lands remove them during the next turn, or 2 turns if they cannot... otherwise they must be declared so I can escort them from our territory. Any spies or assassins found after that, even from our allies, will be considered an act of war. We are willing to offer the same terms to anyone who agrees to remove theirs.
Official Signature of the Recently Crowned King of Denmark, King Knud II
Ramses II CP
04-04-2008, 04:18
Pending verification of these claims I am certain King Wladyslaw will be pleased to resume his alliance with the Danish people. Before the last few years of madness relations between our nations was excellent, and I look forward to a return to those times.
I am saddened to learn of the death of King Knud, but perhaps it was justice. Rumor had it that he was planning to assassinate the Scottish King. Those who live by the knife often find death by it as well.
I don't believe there are any Polish agents on your land (I can't honestly remember, Tran and I had a deal where I was watching his borders for him with my spies.) but if there are they will be withdrawn in haste and apologies issued, of course.
May God grant you a more upstanding and consistent reign than your predecessor, good sir!
King Wladyslaw
:egypt:
_Tristan_
04-07-2008, 21:27
Due to a series of dire mishaps, the French crown has fallen on the head of Prince Henry (now King Henry), last of his line who stricken with grief has left Paris, last French city, to its own devices to drown himself in the waters of the Mediterranean sea...
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2008, 00:47
IC-
More lies, Russian? Just who do you think you're dealing with anyway? I'm not a child who is fooled by such paper-thin fabrications.
You had designs on Denmark before I took over, yes, but when I took over your armies were not at my doorstep. Don't continue to mask your blatant aggression with insults to my intelligence.
I doubt there can be peace now. Take Riga with your invasion force, and it will seal your fate as a doomed faction. Were I able to cancel my diplomatic offer towards you, at this point, I would most certainly like to.
Let the lies of the Russian be known to the entire assembly. Their forces have trespassed onto rightful Danish land and they come bearing demands, not offers of peace. They threaten to attack us and then accuse US of being the aggressors! Surely they must be mad.
This is after my deal with the Scottish is all but concluded to pull me completely out of my friend and ally's land after the previous king went insane and I had to put him out of his misery. Surely there must be some bitter feelings there, but since all we asked for is peace and an honourable withdrawl, our current King cannot be called a warlike man. We even offered the Russians the province they desire for the embarrassingly low price of 2000 florins, and they refused, then 1500, and they refused and now sit at our gates making demands when they are not our allies and they have no military access in our lands. They've already caused riots amongst the Rigans who now fear for their lives.
I ask all spectators here; WHO is the aggressor? The Russians who invade and threaten us at our doorsteps, or the Danes who have no designs on Russia and even offered to cede them territory.
These warlike barbarians must be put to their timely deaths now. If my allies will not back me, that is their decision, and I bear them no hard feelings. But please do not interfere or support the Russians in this war, or we will rightly take it as an insult and an act of war. Please remain neutral and allow us to defend ourselves.
Any financial assistance would be appreciated, but unlike the Russians, we do not make demands of our friends and neighbors! Volunteer to help, or please stay neutral, that is all we ask.
To put this public conversation in the proper setting...
But we will hear no more of the Russian's fabrications nor will we bend our knee to aggressor states. Danish independence is worth more than our lives, and certainly worth more than theirs.
We claim the right of self-defense. Prepare for war, Russian.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2008, 10:56
It seriously was at your gates, just in the forest right next to Riga. A third party can pick up my save from last turn and check if they want.
IC-
That's not necessary. We found your hidden forces from last turn. And they were not as close as they are this turn. Your movement is clearly aggressive, as you now reveal to us your invading army in an attempt to provoke a conflict and sit them flush with our gates.
https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh137/askthepizzaguy2/hidden.jpg
You moved approximately 4 tiles closer from last season. I don't know how revealing that you've been trespassing on our lands all along exonerates you, especially since we stated that we would not tolerate foreign agents in our lands, let alone standing armies! If I did not make myself clear, then hear me now: You have two options:
1. Remove your invasion force from my lands, and all agents except diplomats.
2. Die
The choice is yours. But once again, claiming that WE are the aggressors here is both an insult and an act of war. If they are not removed from my lands by next turn, it will be considered a declaration of war. I tire of these games. Do not sit astride the fence between peace and armed conflict. Pick one and be done with it. I am not to be toyed with, Russian.
OOC- If we are to have this conversation, this is the proper thread, EF ;)
Riga is a Russian settlement, I demand you withdraw from MY LANDS! In any case I will not be the one who dies.
Askthepizzaguy
04-08-2008, 11:21
Now I must laugh in your face.
Russia does not start with Riga. It is an independent state. So therefore, my possession of it would clearly indicate that it is Danish territory.
I offered it to you for a price that most would consider insulting if they were promised such a small sum for one of their few remaining territories. Considering your actions since then, it is amazing that we even offered to lower the price. But I am finished dealing with you in the form of words. You've made your intentions quite clear, and so have I.
You brought this war upon yourself, and your aggression is exposed for all to see. Clearly there is not enough space in world for the both of us to coexist peacefully, despite MY attempts. I am now forced to wipe you from the face of the Earth.
Denmark formally declares war on Russia in an act of self defense, as proven conclusively by the preceding events.
Cecil XIX
04-09-2008, 02:39
My lords, we have an announcement to make.
https://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1396/moorsdestroyedji2.png
Also, we have fulfilled our claim over Spain by seizing Portugal and Navarre from those who have unlawfully seceded from us. With this, we are now satisfied with the extend of the Kingdom of Spain, and shall publically state that he have no claim over lands not currently under our countrol, with the exception a remote part of Africa that is currently surrounded entirely by our land. As for the Kingdom of Portugal, we have no desire to expand across the Pyrenees. In honor of the late King Louis VI's wishes, we shall make peace with them, recognize their independence, and establish normalized trade with them should they so agree agree. Regardless, our armies shall not cross over into France.
The people of Spain look forward to many years of peace and honor.
Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2008, 02:40
My lords, we have an announcement to make.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/MPC1140-4.zip
Also, we have fulfilled our claim over Spain by seizing Portugal and Navarre from those who have unlawfully seceded from us. With this, we are now satisfied with the extend of the Kingdom of Spain, and shall publically state that he have no claim over lands not currently under our countrol, with the exception a remote part of Africa that is currently surrounded entirely by our land. As for the Kingdom of Portugal, we have no desire to expand across the Pyrenees. In honor of the late King Louis VI's wishes, we shall make peace with them, recognize their independence, and establish normalized trade with them should they so agree agree. Regardless, our armies shall not cross over into France.
The people of Spain look forward to many years of peace and honor.
You put the save file in as the image by mistake.
:bow:
Edit: nevermind you fixed it. :)
Cecil XIX
04-09-2008, 02:42
Darn, you're quick. :beam:
Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2008, 02:42
I am the neurotic "refresh" monkey, after all.
Ramses II CP
04-09-2008, 02:50
Another war betwixt Catholics? At least you drove out the Muslims first. I look forward to the report of a resumption of peace between Spain and Portugal.
Congratulations on reclaiming Iberia from Islam.
King Wladyslaw
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
04-09-2008, 22:22
It is with great embarrassment that I must apologize to Scotland for taking Dublin almost as a reflex AFTER I sent him the terms of the peace treaty.
I've already discussed this with Scotland, and offered Dublin back and a large sum of florins as reparations.
Stupid, stupid, stupid...
:wall:
Ramses II CP
04-11-2008, 23:02
King Wladyslaw has been thinking deeply on the conflict between Russia and Denmark. As you both know, the King has sworn that no Polish troops will violate the borders of a Catholic nation during his reign, and that vow will be upheld no matter the cost.
It still displeases the King to have a war raging along the border to his home territories. It even more displeases the King that two of his allies have engaged in it, forcing him to choose between them. The King chose his fellow Catholics, but was deeply troubled over the choice.
With all of these matters in mind, King Wladyslaw wishes to make this further announcement: His advisors will be overseeing the war between the two nations on his border. If it appears that the war is getting out of hand and one of the nations is in danger of being wiped out, or the burden on the citizens becomes too great (I don't want to see any rising clouds of black smoke in other words), the King will take any necessary measures, including attempting to close the northern sea lanes to troop transports even at the cost of being drawn into the war, to preserve both of his earstwhile allies. His vow will be intact, but the war will be ended.
If at any time either nation wishes to negotiate the King is available to assist in any possible way.
King Wladyslaw
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2008, 19:33
Friends of Denmark:
It has recently been suggested by our Polish allies that peace might be upon us between Denmark and Russia.
Let it be known that peace had been an option, and that Russia was to be given Riga for a small and insulting amount of money, 1500 florins, to avoid war. Instead they trespassed on our lands, declared war on us, and stole the rightful property of the Danish people.
Now they pawn our lands off to our allies (a dubious choice...) in an attempt to sow discension and mistrust between the Polish and Danish people.
If they didn't want war then they shouldn't have started one. Now that war is upon us, and the blood that has been shed and the insults that have been cast and the honour of the Danish people and the sovereignty of this nation has been violated, there can be only one option: The unconditional surrender of Russia, or the destruction of one of our nations.
There is no peace with bullies, backstabbers, and traitors, there is only war. Declared or undeclared, the conflict between righteous and peaceful people and liars and aggressors will always be waged. They are the ones who perpetuate war to begin with, and it is the solemn duty of the righteous to end the war as quickly as possible with the fewest casualties.
I am not like my father, a new era of honour has dawned in the Royal House of Knud. And our honour has been challenged by the pathetic and cowardly Russian scum. Now they will taste merciless and unforgiving Danish steel, and we are will within our rights as a civilized nation to defend ourselves thusly. One does not declare war, butcher the innocent, occupy and then pawn off their enemy's territory, and then expect there to be a peace deal.
I have three words for the Russian ambassador:
EDIT: (removed voluntarily... even though this is IC and in foreign language, I'm sure the Org's rules prevent me from leaving even humorous Danish curse words for all to see)
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2008, 20:11
After the recent and shocking events:
The Danish ambassador sits fuming... and mutters to himself;
All the lands in Scotland that we conquered... gone... the lands in Russia which we were preparing to conquer... gone, into the hands of our allies who already control half of the map... ourselves reduced to a small bit of scandinavian territory, and poorly developed lands... all we have left are our vast armies who have now nothing to do except curse and spit on the name of Russia...
Surrounded by dubious allies, almost none of whom have contacted us since the reins of power in Denmark changed hands... and no hope of winning any wars with any of our neighbors...
The Danish ambassador stands before the assembly, bows with respect, looks towards the Polish delegation, and promptly leaves the assembly, with no one remaining to fill in his place.
I know for a fact that you destroyed every building in the cities you conquered in England before you returned them to Scotland. Perhaps this is divine retribution for your previous actions?
Askthepizzaguy
04-17-2008, 22:47
The only settlement with any buildings remaining was Edinburgh, and I still had no peace agreement with Scotland. I also offered to pay for the reconstruction efforts after the peace was agreed.
Wait... why am I explaining myself? :laugh2:
I don't have a representative here anymore anyway.
:bow:
I have some troubling news to report.
https://img143.imageshack.us/img143/4859/francedestroyedea2.jpg
The once most powerful nation in the world has now been destroyed.
_Tristan_
04-23-2008, 09:15
:titanic:
At last... Happened sooner than expected...
This game felt like :ballchain:
Goodbye ~:wave:
Askthepizzaguy
04-26-2008, 12:32
The Danish ambassador bursts back into the hall
I DEMAND TO KNOW WHY POLISH SPIES HAVE INFILTRATED MY CAPITAL!
As I have stated to all before this assembly, agents inside my homelands are considered an act of war, especially when they are KNOWN SPIES!
You were warned! Even after I pledged not to go to war with you for claiming Russia for yourself when I clearly had designs on conquering it. All of these actions, plus now your spies inside our lands, prove you to be a most untrustworthy ally.
It is only because of our former friendship that I do not declare war on you right now. But I expect you to offer us reparations for these acts of unkindness. Otherwise this alliance will dissolve, and I will not be the one responsible for it.
You may claim that your spy was only just inside my border, but it had no business being so far to the north and west anyway. Were you spying on the Holy Roman Empire too? No matter WHAT your reasons, you are clearly the aggressor here! Remove ALL AGENTS from Danish lands, or this alliance will dissolve.
All you had to do was just leave us alone and we would have disbanded our armies and declared neutrality and pacifism, as King Knud II had planned all along after Russia crumbled.
I also wish to DECLARE to the Holy Roman Empire that I do have an agent passing from Stettin to Arhus. There is no Danish territory in between, so unfortunately this is necessary. However, unlike our Polish friends, WE are up front and honest about why this agent has moved through Roman lands, and it will be completely through next turn. Also, we wish to offer you an alliance.
Ramses II CP
04-26-2008, 19:25
King Wladyslaw wishes to issue his most heartfelt apologies, Polish agents have been guarding German lands (And formerly guarded Danish lands as well) for many years now and evidently in the confusion of last year one of them strayed over the border south of Arhus. The man has been chastised harshly and is in the process of being recalled to Poland.
The Emperor of the Reich is, of course, well aware of the placement of my agents in his lands and indeed gets regular intelligence reports from them. They will be present only as long as he wishes, and will be withdrawn as quickly as possible on request.
Unfortunately there are no funds to pay any sort of reparations, nor will there be any in the near future. If this misunderstanding results in war, then so be it, but we assure you there isn't a single other Polish agent in Danish territory, nor has there been, since your previous King went to war with Scotland.
On a similar note, King Wladyslaw wishes to publically remind King Roger of Sicily that his merchants are no longer welcome in Polish lands, and the two near Edessa should be withdrawn. While you're doing that, withdraw the spy that was fomenting trouble in the city of Edessa as well; he now camps about three 'miles' west of the city. (As I'm sure you know there's a Polish assassin there, but using him would risk ending the alliance. If I end up taking the chance and assassinating anything I'll send you a pm.)
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
04-27-2008, 00:36
King Knud II accepts your apology, in spite of everything that has happened between us. However, I wish that everyone in the council please be advised our forces are on alert and mobilized. Any further transgressions, by anyone, will result in war to defend our borders.
I will not betray an alliance pact over something so trivial and declare war, but I would dissolve the alliance at the next transgression and declare neutrality with Poland.
I must admit I am quite nervous as my position is surrounded by Poland, preventing any movement in that direction, and a new leader of Scotland with whom I have no diplomatic contact, and the HRE who has been terrifyingly silent towards me.
The Emperor feels no ill-will towards the Danish people and wishes only good relations between himself and the new King. Though the diplomatic offer you suggested was an insult. We did not accept, but made a counter-offer which seemed extremely generous given the circumstances.
As well we have made an offer to the Scottish King, and we eagerly await his reply on the offer.
FactionHeir
04-27-2008, 10:34
King Simon reminds King Wladylaw that King Roger has been buried 6 years ago. *pauses*
And those merchants are on their way to Baghdad, it just happens that the trade route runs through Edessa.
Ramses II CP
04-27-2008, 14:29
Baghdad also stands under my territorial claims, though for the moment the Turks are still holding the city. Can I presume that once I capture Baghdad the merchants will turn around?
:egypt:
FactionHeir
04-27-2008, 14:56
We have a trade agreement with the Turks to allow us trade at Baghdad. I would like to hope that in your wisdom you will not interfere with our trade there as you already have claim to Edessa and Nicaea, which are the richer lands.
Ramses II CP
04-27-2008, 18:23
(OOC: Frankly the Turks only still exist because I got skipped on the previous turn and had to keep a spy at Mosul this turn. I'll cap them off next year or the one after and we'll reopen the discussion. :clown: )
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
04-29-2008, 22:29
Knud II's emissary stands
It is with great joy that I have the pleasure of announcing my alliance with the Holy Roman Empire and Scotland, as well as my continued alliance with Poland.
I trust that I can count on my allies to assist me if I am attacked?
We are persuing a peaceful philosophy which will remain intact unless someone launches an offensive against us or violates our borders. Since we have kept our word to all nations, I hope they will do the same.
We also wish to announce the demilitarization of Arhus, so that our southern neighbor will not feel threatened by our armies. The Castle of Stettin is also similarly demilitarized. With these measures, I hope to see that peace will last forever between our great peoples.
I ask that other nations respect our territory and our territorial waters. Please make no provocative movements near or within our territory, or if passage is needed, please ask permission. Since territorial domination is no longer a viable option for us, we are seeking to be vassals of greater empires, and that we might find protection from them in exchange for monetary gifts.
Peace be with you, followers of Christ!
Also, once our royal treasury begins to grow, we wish to offer war loans to our allies if they should ever seek to expand their territory. Repayment and interest will be most reasonable. When the rumoured great hordes of the east come, we wish to join our fellow Catholics on a Holy Crusade, and we also wish to extend war loans for such an endeavor.
The great people of the North have attained the peace they have sought for so long.
FactionHeir
05-07-2008, 13:06
King Simon is most concerned that a Polish assassin would spill the blood of a fellow catholic ally. This act of violence will have consequences.
Ramses II CP
05-07-2008, 13:59
Which Polish assassin was this? What precisely do I stand accused of doing?
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
05-07-2008, 15:04
Which Polish assassin was this? What precisely do I stand accused of doing?
:egypt:
Oh don't play "innocent" with me! You know exactly what you've done and there WILL be consequences!
:clown:
errr... I mean...
Yeah, factionheir, so like... whats the deal here? Which polish assassin?
Ramses II CP
05-08-2008, 18:52
Facing such a serious and quite absurd accusation from one of my allies, though it has yet to be backed up by anything meaningful, I have briefly reviewed last season's actions and I can confirm that a Sicilian merchant lost his business to one of my merchants. Small recompense (And luck; you were about to wipe him out anyway so I let him roll the dice) for the half dozen Polish merchants your men have taken over in recent years.
The assassin in that region, and there is a Polish assassin there, is solely present to track your own Sicilian spy, who, need I remind you, was kicked out of Edessa just a few years ago after attempting to foment rebellion. It would be inadvisible to threaten Poland and her allies further.
King Wladyslaw
OOC: As I have privately and publically informed everyone in the game, if I assassinate one of your agents I will send you a PM. Tristan and FH are the only people to have gotten those PMs, and FH only after he tacitly gave his blessing to the act about 8 turns ago near Nicaea.
:egypt:
FactionHeir
05-08-2008, 19:07
Ah ok. Usually you get a message when your merchants are acquired I thought. Maybe not in hotseat.
Ramses II CP
05-08-2008, 20:41
All OOC: Those messages definitely don't always show up. I've begun to suspect, after playing several different spots in the order in hotseats, that the earlier you are after the turn of the year the more likely you are to get a message. As Egypt in the GHC I don't think I've had a single one of them show up, not when my faction leader died, when I lost settlements, went to war, gained traits etc, etc. When I was testing for the BC hotseat the ERE seemed to get them all the time, and they were the first in order. In the actual BC hotseat we've had quite a lot of diplomatic offers not show up across turns.
I remember seeing some message scrolls when I had to load Tristan's save for this hotseat as well.
The ones about choosing which ally to side with don't even always work, as in this hotseat France, my ally, declared war on and eventually wiped out two of my AI allies early on and I never even had the option to break things off, but then when he went to war with Hungary I got the scroll to pick a side. There are some obvious guesses we could make about what breaks the system, but I don't know how reliably they could be tested.
:egypt:
FactionHeir
05-23-2008, 01:25
Any further attempts by Poland to sabotage Sicilian interests will be seen as a declaration of war.
We have endured your terror at Riga and in the Middle East long enough.
Ramses II CP
05-23-2008, 03:01
Remove your spies from my settlements and those of my allies before you threaten me over my paltry few at recently taken Riga. One of yours was just removed from Thessalonica, and I am aware of two more in Hungarian lands. An attack on Hungary is an attack on Poland, our two families have been linked by a marriage alliance for many long years.
As to merchants in Polish territory, they are subject to Polish justice. If you wish your men to be safe, remove them from my lands as I have repeatedly asked and, when ignored, demanded that you do and keep them from attempting to destroy my own merchants. Do not pretend this is a momentary conflict that I started, you have repeatedly and flagrantly ignored polite requests and have suffered the consequences. If you intend to act aggressively against me for returning the favors you, as my 'ally,' have inflicted first on me then I will be forced to defend myself, and call my allies to my defense as well.
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2008, 03:09
The Danish King wishes to announce that he sides with Poland in this dispute.
The Sicilian King refuses to respect the lands of his allies. I consider the agreements we have signed with them to be worthless. I have seen his agents and his assassins repeatedly, and instead of openly challenging his foes, he is attempting to wipe us all out using his unseen forces.
Our friendship with Sicily is at an end. If any agents come NEAR our lands or those of the HRE, Scotland, or Poland, I will send my assassins to eliminate them. If their forces trespass onto any of my ally's lands, I will declare war.
I have noticed a few of my merchants that have disappeared from MY territory and now have Sicilian merchants in their place. Also, I had one of your spies kicked out of one of my northern Italian cities not long ago. I would also like you to remove your troops that have been sitting in my territory near Vienna for quite a while.
FactionHeir
05-23-2008, 11:36
Remove your spies from my settlements and those of my allies before you threaten me over my paltry few at recently taken Riga. One of yours was just removed from Thessalonica, and I am aware of two more in Hungarian lands. An attack on Hungary is an attack on Poland, our two families have been linked by a marriage alliance for many long years.
As to merchants in Polish territory, they are subject to Polish justice. If you wish your men to be safe, remove them from my lands as I have repeatedly asked and, when ignored, demanded that you do and keep them from attempting to destroy my own merchants. Do not pretend this is a momentary conflict that I started, you have repeatedly and flagrantly ignored polite requests and have suffered the consequences. If you intend to act aggressively against me for returning the favors you, as my 'ally,' have inflicted first on me then I will be forced to defend myself, and call my allies to my defense as well.
:egypt:
I would remove my spies from your settlements if you would remove yours from my French holdings and island holdings. Do you truly believe I did not notice those?
And I do not know what you mean by spies in Hungarian lands. It is a fact that we do not have spies there.
Regarding merchants, mine have not attacked yours for many years and are only trading resources that you are not trading and yet you attack them wantonly. This is unacceptable to us.
And I would remind The Roman King that the spies in question have started moving to our French holdings rather than stay in your cities. Their direction of movement should be indicative of this. The last time our merchants bartered with yours was more than 10 years ago. As for the army near Vienna, maybe you should realize that those were your men who deserted and we have paid quite a sum to secure back their service and the safety of your lands. Maybe next time we should just leave thsoe rebels sitting on your lands instead?
Denmark, I have no business with you and nowhere is any agent or army of mine near your lands. So watch your tongue before you accuse us.
Ramses II CP
05-23-2008, 15:25
There have been no Polish spies in French settlements for about six years (Three turns). Spies were moved into those settlements to repay you for the disorder caused at Edessa by your own spy, who moved into that settlement undetected and unprovoked. Similarly your failure to remove your spy at Thessalonica has resulted in being paid back in kind. In fact my every act has been recompense for your underhanded acts, but that need not continue to be the case. I am content to seek peace and keep order in the known world.
I would also be happy to have one of our mutual allies verify any of my claims and anything else I say here.
Your spy at Corinth, which is Hungarian, was still there two years ago, but I did not go aside to verify his position this year. I'll check again soon and bring the data before this council.
It is also a fact, however, that you have an army west of the Hungarian capital, deep in German lands. It is of far less concern to me where it came from than where it is going.
It should also be pointed out that small rebel forces can be quite useful to have around, and there are at least three tolerated rebel armies inside Poland. If one of them should be bribed to raise a flag for some nation or the other I would see little reason to treat them differently than before they took up that flag.
:egypt:
And I would remind The Roman King that the spies in question have started moving to our French holdings rather than stay in your cities. Their direction of movement should be indicative of this. The last time our merchants bartered with yours was more than 10 years ago. As for the army near Vienna, maybe you should realize that those were your men who deserted and we have paid quite a sum to secure back their service and the safety of your lands. Maybe next time we should just leave thsoe rebels sitting on your lands instead?
Why were they there in the first place? I don't remember giving you permission to station them in my cities. I don't care about them moving through my lands though, that is fine.
Well, they were my merchants sitting on resources in my lands. I don't see what gives you the right to seize their assets. I don't mind you sending merchants into my lands and them trading resources, but I will not tolerate them putting my merchants out of business.
I did not realize that was the case. I thank you for your kindness then. :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
05-24-2008, 00:34
Truly, I have not detected Sicilian agents IN my lands, but I've detected them in the lands of my allies.
If I were you I'd do more than watch my tongue, I would recall those agents before blood is spilt. You may not fear Danish arms, but we have wealth which we will gladly impart unto our formidible allies.
You speak as if you were a tyrant already in possession of our lands and we had pledged fealty to you. Continue this disrespect and we will see who pledges fealty to whom.
Ramses II CP
05-26-2008, 00:25
I have secured evidence to prove the King of Sicily's untruth regarding his spies being in Hungarian territory. It's particuarly amusing to note that the agent in question, at Corinth, is named Roger de Sicily. I will present that evidence momentarily, once the technical hurdles are overcome.
Anyone who wishes to verify the information for themselves can ask me how immediately of course and I'll reply as soon as possible.
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
05-26-2008, 01:24
I tire of Sicily's treachery. I will formally dissolve any and all ties with this nation as soon as possible. :no:
My spies inform me of a particularly devastating stack of troops directly west of the core provinces of the Holy Roman Empire. The Emperor be warned.
Ramses II CP
05-26-2008, 01:37
The is the man in question (You will note the position of a Polish spy to the north, well within the borders of my province of Thessalonica):
http://lh4.ggpht.com/RosDalton/SDoEcbMc5UI/AAAAAAAALcY/kRPpNQESFp8/s800/0024.jpg
:egypt:
OOC: On a much funnier note this is what my first family member to mature looks like:
http://lh5.ggpht.com/RosDalton/SDoEdrMc5VI/AAAAAAAALck/56_HrDNu1B0/s800/0025.jpg
Fortunately two daughters matured this year as well, so I can hope to marry them off to better fodder. :laugh4:
FactionHeir
05-26-2008, 01:39
OOC: To be honest I actually forgot I had had spy there :laugh4: I thought I had moved them all north by now, guess I missed one.
Btw, my initial King's son matured as well and is looking for a bride, but with the human tensions it doesn't exactly look likely huh? :tongue2:
FactionHeir
05-30-2008, 13:28
It is not without surprise that We announce that the Kingdom of Hungary has declared war on the Sicilian Empire.
As We speak, a large host lays siege to Durazzo, which has been Our holding since the beginning of Our glorious rise.
As We are gracious, We shall not attack the Hungarians unless they decide in their folly to storm the walls and take the city. In that event, the Sicilian Empire sees no other way than to erase the Hungarians from His face as We have done this year with the Egyptians.
For now, We seek passage through our allies' lands to ready Our men in event the unthinkable should occur, though We do not truly wish to spill blood, yet We shall if pressed.
https://img68.imageshack.us/img68/7692/unbenanntwt7.jpg
Emissaries have been sent to Our neighbors regarding this matter and other.
Ramses II CP
05-30-2008, 13:37
I am horrified by this act of Hungarian aggression against a fellow Catholic. My family has been blood allied to the royal line of Hungary for decades and this is a shocking betrayal of the beliefs of Poland. Regrettably my agents in Hungary have noted with frustration the sudden and unexpected deaths of many Hungarian nobles of late, including two Kings. Perhaps the latest King is over rash, or perhaps he is lashing out against an enemy he cannot truly defeat in the field.
I have seen very reliably evidence of the truth of the Sicilian's claim to have withdrawn his agents from Hungary, so I will make absolutely no claims as to responsibility for these accidents, but I do wish to note their occurence in these chambers.
Let it be known that, marriage alliance or no, if the Hungarians cannot be made to see sense and withdraw their forces King Wladyslaw will disband all Polish treaties with them and fully support his ally the Sicilians. No matter what I suspect the nation of Sicily of with regard to the war of agents their people have ever officially been at peace with fellow Catholics and that is of great importance to Poland.
:egypt:
OOC: Good grief, I hate the AI. I wonder if he attacked me too?
FactionHeir
05-30-2008, 13:42
King Wladyslaw may rest assured that We have never had any assassins within Polish lands nor anywhere near Hungarian holdings and the central Mediterranean. All Our assassins are in Our Western and Eastern holdings with exception of a few at Our capital of Florence.
We also do not wish aggression against the Hungarians unless absolutely necessary by witness of their actions.
OOC: Yes I do too. In fact I anticipated that attack last turn already when I saw their stack moving from Corinth-Thessalonica to the border between Thessalonica and Durazzo. Didn't have any more militia to recruit though and for RP purposes did not train more men and ships until this turn.
From what I can see, they have not attacked you (they are still allied to you in the screen)
Askthepizzaguy
05-31-2008, 00:48
The Danish King, while on icy terms with the Sicilians, has no love for Hungary and would prefer to see the aggressors lose the war.
Sicily has Denmark's full support in defending themselves against the unhinged tyrant of Hungary, may he rest in pieces.
Ramses II CP
05-31-2008, 02:59
It is with great dismay that King Wladyslaw must present the information to this august body that the nation of Hungary has come to an end. The final Hungarian King, who was in truth no relation to the Hungarians I have known and loved, was assassinated by an agent of...
Before he can finish speaking a choking sound emerges from his throat and King Wladyslaw's already ruddy and fat face begins to turn a dusky red color. Horrible sounds croak forth from his body as he collapses, and though aids rush to his side and summon a doctor it is quickly clear that he has passed away beyond all recall.
One of the men who ran to assist the King looks up with an ashen gaze and says,
The King is dead, long live the King! Long live King Zbignew the Honorable!
Gentlemen of the Council it is a dark day for Poland, as the stress of managing so large a kingdom in such trying times has at last caught up with poor King Wladyslaw, once called the Chivalrous and the Honorable, of late known as the Tyrant. King Zbignew will soon address this body and answer all questions, but for now be it known that the politics of Poland shall not change and that the new King's eldest daughter, due to come of age quite soon (She's 15), is tentatively spoken for. Good day, and God Save the King!
:egypt:
Emperor Heinrich wishes to show his sorrow for the loss of King Wladyslaw. He was a great and honorable man, and did much to bring prosperity and greatness to the Polish lands. He has shown me much kindness over the years, and I hope that the new king will do the same.
We hope that King Zbignew will have a long and prosperous reign, and that we can continue to be close allies and hopefully close friends as well.
FactionHeir
05-31-2008, 12:11
May your reign be long and prosperous, King Zbignew
FactionHeir
06-03-2008, 00:01
We are greatly displeased that Denmark would assassinate one of Our diplomats. Your diplomats are now no longer welcome on Our soil.
Askthepizzaguy
06-03-2008, 01:05
We have nothing much to discuss with the black hand of Sicily anyway. We would not wish to have diplomats near your land.
I doubt if our ambassador to Rome would ever make it back alive.
We wish to ask the Danish King to not kill Sicilian agents on the Empire's soil. If they continue then I will retort with what I feel is necessary force.
Askthepizzaguy
06-08-2008, 23:28
As you wish, Emperor. Personally I wouldn't want their "diplomats" spying in my lands... but you have every right to police the action in your Empire.
FactionHeir
06-08-2008, 23:34
As that matter seems settled, we now request that due compensation in the form of 700 florins be made by Denmark for the loss of our men on neutral soil who have not trespassed into Denmark.
Askthepizzaguy
06-08-2008, 23:36
The Sicilian mobster will receive no such compensation. You will have to pry it from our cold, dead hands.
FactionHeir
06-08-2008, 23:39
As We are a reasonable nation, We shall allow you 6 years to arrange the compensation for the families of the men you have murdered so cold bloodedly. We understand that you may yet the see the wisdom in keeping our relations amiable.
Askthepizzaguy
06-08-2008, 23:42
I would be willing to compensate the "nation" of Sicily for their dead once they compensate the families of those they assassinated and also paid tribute to their neighboring states for breaking agreements and spying on them. Unless such a thing happens, we have nothing to discuss.
Until they become a nation which keeps its agents inside their own borders, I feel no choice but to defend ours with whatever actions are necessary.
FactionHeir
06-08-2008, 23:46
We have already made amends and agreements with all those we have harmed.
Also, our agents have been granted right of passage and practice within those lands they currently are stationed in.
As your requirements are fulfilled, we shall be expecting the compensation from you soon.
Askthepizzaguy
06-08-2008, 23:50
That's so sweet. The Black Hand has compensated those they have harmed. Perhaps we have nothing to fear from the Sicilian Empire after all.
Until my allies have informed me that your agents are not in their lands and that they HAVE been compensated justly for your actions, I will do nothing to repair our relations. It is you who have trespassed upon others, and now you are facing the scorn and isolation you deserve from nations brave enough to no longer tolerate it.
this is all in-character of course. Frankly I'm so bored here in Scandinavia that all I can do is antagonize the greatest empire on earth for their misdeeds past and see what happens. Nothing against you personally, FH!
:bow:
FactionHeir
06-08-2008, 23:53
OOC: Of course. And Sicily just needs to show that it won't cave in to minor factions threatening it :yes:
Askthepizzaguy
06-08-2008, 23:57
OOC- Frankly I'm surprised you don't just ignore our less than threatening demands and our silly posturing. I do wonder why you had diplomats near my territory, as you could simply communicate with me via the diplomat in Rome, and there was no need to send diplomats so far north to communicate with the HRE or Scotland either. In other words, we both know your actions are more than a little suspicious.
Minor factions??? How absurd! The Danes are the greatest nation on Earth, and you will BOW before our mighty.... town militia.
FactionHeir
06-09-2008, 00:01
OOC: Actually I don't have diplomats down south (Italy) and west (France). Those were on their way there from Riga and Thorn.... with the added bonus of taunting you of course. But you don't know that :wink:
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2008, 00:17
Kind of hard to taunt when their heads have been ripped off... :wink:
Askthepizzaguy
06-11-2008, 19:08
(ic)
Grave news, my lords and allies.
Sicily has ostensibly begun their plan to assassinate their rivals. If you don't have about 10 spies around all your family members, I advise you to get them there fast.
Here is proof of a deep penetration by sicilian agents near my territory, while technically in HRE lands they are within striking distance and weren't training.
They were either after Scotland, HRE, Poland, or Denmark, and in all cases this is unacceptible.
https://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm303/ATPG-3/Sicily2.jpg
Having a level 10 assassin near my lands is the same as a declaration of war, considering we arent neighbouring factions.
https://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm303/ATPG-3/Sicily3.jpg
A level 6 spy ready to probe my lands and also caught spying on their ally, HRE. Unacceptible.
https://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm303/ATPG-3/Sicily1.jpg
Another hired killer on its way north... you can't expect me to believe it was heading south.
This was no "training" mission, and I'm afraid the threat to our national security is too great. I cannot have a "King Killer" Level 10 assassin ANYWHERE near my lands, and given Sicily's track record, how could the HRE afford to have them there either?
If the HRE welcomes these assassins into their lands, then they must welcome the deaths of Poland or Denmark, and I'm afraid in both of those scenarios I would still have to defend myself and my ally. If the HRE doesnt want them, I've just done them a huge favor.
Needless to say, the Sicilian Spy and Assassin which were not on any training mission were both dispatched, but another Assassin further south and perhaps others (possibly 30 more) are on their way.
Sicily has apparently decided to assassinate our faction to death, the coward's way. Why not face my troops on the field of battle instead, like men! If it is war that you seek, I propose that we meet on the battlefield, your best stack against my best. Or you can always just sit at home drinking wine and paying others to do your conquering for you!
FactionHeir
06-11-2008, 20:02
King Simon of the Sicilian Empire is most insulted by the Danish assassinations of Our men who had express permission of the Holy Roman Emperor and the King of Scotland to train on local rebels who are devastating their lands and to then denounce Us, the Sicilian Empire, of behind behind some cowardly ploy to kill your petty tribes, as if you had been worth Our attention!
As the Holy Roman Emperor has announced last year, he wished no further attacks on Our men on his soil. The actions of your Danish tribes go against this and will be met with Our wrath unless immediate restitution is made to both the Holy Roman Empire and to the Sicilian Empire.
Failure to do so will certainly have the blessing of all our allies to advance Our forces upon your backwards villages.
Askthepizzaguy
06-11-2008, 20:15
The Danish ambassador speaks:
As proven above, that assassin was on no training mission.
And those rebels are not devastating the lands of the Holy Roman Emperor at all, as can be plainly seen by the evidence.
You can lie to my face all you want, but we will not sit here like idiots while your assassins attempt to destroy our nation.
I would be willing to make restitution to my ally the Holy Roman Emperor, who has my profuse apologies for this necessary action, but not to the Black Hand of Sicily.
FactionHeir
06-11-2008, 21:02
Then why were Our assassin and Our spy standing right next to that rebel commander when you wantonly slew them in cold blood? Will you answer Us that?
As you have no further vision into the Empire's lands, let Us inform you that there is another rebel commander south of the you you can see.
Now, We await your restitution for your repeated insults to Our Empire.
Askthepizzaguy
06-11-2008, 21:19
(ic)
There will be no such restitution. The assassin was fully trained. It didn't need any training.
We tire of this debate. The evidence is clear, our reasoning has been made public, and our stance against Sicilian aggression is resolute.
You can play the wounded warrior, but you don't do it very well. I sincerely doubt anyone here thinks that Denmark is in any position to pick on the mighty Sicilian Empire, or that you had legitimate reasons to send assassins so close to my King and spies so close to my capital, permission from the Kaiser or no permission from the Kaiser.
I will say it again, we do not apologize to you for the deaths of your hired murderers and sabateurs, and we never will.
If this causes the end of my friendship with the Kaiser, that is for him to say, and it will sadden me. However, I will not allow myself to be slain in the middle of the night just to please a friend. I am not an idiot, and you speak as if I were. Everything you say appears to be false pretense and intentional misdirection, while we have been open and honest about our motivations, and warned you to never send assassins near our lands.
We will gladly incur the wrath of your armies or any other, but we will do battle on the field as gentleman, not fall at the hands of your killers.
Go and boil your bottoms.
FactionHeir
06-11-2008, 21:22
Does it come to your mind that because of said training that the man had perfected his skills? Obviously not!
If you refuse to pay restitution and apologize to Our nation and Our allies who you have insulted so, We see no other way but to hereby accept your declaration of war and send Our troops to battle.
Askthepizzaguy
06-11-2008, 21:28
(ic)
The likelihood of your agent reaching his mastery of his craft at the precise moment I detected him so close to our lands, when there are plenty of other rebels to train against much closer to your home, is so farfetched that I think a babbling idiot would have difficulty accepting that scenario as plausible.
Why don't you simply declare your true intentions? Have the manhood to admit your plan! Do you truly fear any of us anymore? Just tell us that you're going to conquer the world, and there's nothing we can do about it!
Apparently between the two of us, the King of Denmark is the only one with any cojones.
FactionHeir
06-11-2008, 21:39
We tire of your baseless accusations and your failure to see reason behind Our words of truth.
If your backward township had extended only further, you would have found that with exception of a camp in Southern France who are remnants of the late Portuguese royal family, there are no rebels in Our lands for we keep Our populace ruly and satisfied.
Now, will you stand there and taunt Us or acknowledge your error like the woman you are?
Askthepizzaguy
06-11-2008, 21:47
(ic)
I really hope you realize that you're the only one you're fooling. It's as plain as the stench on your breath that you're plotting something devious and evil. I'm just not frightened of you and I'm willing to point out that the emperor of Sicily has no clothes, and no balls.
We know that our fate is inevitable, as your forces are already massed for an assault against us. This turn of events was no surprise to you, and you prompted it yourself.
That being said, we won't sit here with a thumb in our arse every time you send an agent against us. Since you are prepared to do battle, I will meet you there and have your head. When this war is over, all is said and done, all the dust has settled, all the smoke has cleared, and the millions and millions of Europeans who live free and not under your dastardly rule are done chanting my name, your King will still be reviled, my right to self-defense will be upheld, and you will still be a hermaphrodite with no testicles.
So go do what the beastly ones do and go fornicate yourself. I'm sure your offspring cannot be any more disfigured than you!
:laugh4:
I did give the Sicilian King permission to train his agents on rebels in my land. Though as far as the Danish agent killing one of the Sicilian agents has nothing to do with me. You can decide what needs to be done, I will have no part in these petty squabbles.
Askthepizzaguy
06-12-2008, 00:20
(ic)
If you refuse to pay restitution and apologize to Our nation and Our allies who you have insulted so, We see no other way but to hereby accept your declaration of war and send Our troops to battle.
You don't frighten us, Norman pig-dogs! I unclog my nose at you, so-called Simon King, you and all your silly Sicilian k-nnnnniggets. I fart in your general direction! So, you think you could out-clever us Danish folk with your silly swords-drawn ship-boarding invasion behavior?! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you cheesy lot of second-hand electric donkey-bottom biters. I burst my pimples at you and call your cessation of assassination request a silly thing, you tiny-brained wipers of other people's bottoms! Yes, depart a lot at this time and cut the approaching any more, or we fire arrows at the tops of your heads and make castanets out of your testicles already! And now, remain gone, illegitimate-faced bugger-folk! And, if you think you got a nasty taunting this time, you ain't heard nothing yet, dappy Norman k-nnniggets! Thpppt!
:knight: <----knnnigget
We will fund the Sicilian war effort, because it is obvious the Danish king is insane... but we want half of what they conquer...
Emperor *rollin in dough fo shoaw* Ichigo
Askthepizzaguy
06-12-2008, 01:18
so much for remaining neutral, eh?
~;) I'm off to conquer Poland *rides away*
Askthepizzaguy
06-12-2008, 01:31
shaking his head...
And they say I'm the insane one.
The Danish ambassador puts on his clown nose and lucky pink tricornered hat and begins to floss his eyebrows.
:elephant:
Ramses II CP
06-12-2008, 01:46
Seriously Ichigo? I'm assuming that wasn't IC, so I'm asking OOC I suppose. This is the only hotseat that I've done everything 'IC' for, so, frankly, if somebody declares war out of the blue I'll probably do something unexpected and completely uninteresting. The whole cheating mess left a sour taste on this one anyway, and IMHO there has been plenty of other nonsense making a mess of things as well.
:egypt:
FactionHeir
06-12-2008, 01:49
OOC:
I think Ichigo was just giving his OOC opinion on it in the last 2 posts.
Will you give your IC one?
Ramses II CP
06-12-2008, 01:53
OOC: Yeah, I'm about to check the save now. I'll post when I've done my turn.
:egypt:
Askthepizzaguy
06-12-2008, 01:58
ooc, and actually serious for a change:
I hope it wasn't my nonsense spoiling the game for anyone. I'm actually trying to liven things up and make it more fun, not less fun, and bring about a dramatic conclusion we can all live with.
I just couldn't stand pacing around Arhus training agents every turn... a bit too subtle and boring for me, and ultimately a self-defeating strategy. The longer the game goes on, the more irrelevant my faction becomes, as if it weren't already.
Perhaps if I were to be eliminated it would trigger the apocalypse, and that should be fun to play out, no matter who is playing for what team.
:medievalcheers:
Seriously Ichigo? I'm assuming that wasn't IC, so I'm asking OOC I suppose. This is the only hotseat that I've done everything 'IC' for, so, frankly, if somebody declares war out of the blue I'll probably do something unexpected and completely uninteresting. The whole cheating mess left a sour taste on this one anyway, and IMHO there has been plenty of other nonsense making a mess of things as well.
:egypt:
No. ATPG's response was so random and freaky that I rode the wave of insanity. :wall:
FactionHeir
06-12-2008, 02:02
OOC: Since your agents were welcome in HRE, you could easily have uhhhh used them and conquered a lot of territory ATPG :grin:
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