View Full Version : Who\'s getting written off
Kongamato
07-22-2002, 09:22
So after reading all of the various "Who are you gonna be when you get MTW" threads, I think I can give you a top three factions that people will start with.
1. England
2. Turks
3. Byz
Yeah, these guys look cool before the game gets out, but give this game a week and people will be playing with factions they never thought they would be using. Such as the:
Danes, Egyptians, Russians, Polish and Spanish
You all know the story before I tell you. We all get down to business online and Boom! The faction we least expected to dominate the game is suddenly executing biblical vengeance upon all of our armies! So, take your pick. Who is gonna need to get patched first? My guess: The Egyptians or the Russians. Nobody is talking about them right now... They are just staying silent, ready to take us by surprise.
And another thing. Is MP going to favor the faction balances of a certain period, or is everyone going to just play the latest period possible because they can fire big guns that go boom?
oZoNeLaYeR
07-22-2002, 11:40
I would choose England, they got the best( well AFAIK, i saw the map) defense. while Byzantine is too big too handle, maybe i'll play Bzyantine when i got my holidays.
Danes.. danes.. danes... They will conquer all.
Dark Phoenix
07-22-2002, 14:47
Well I want to play the Danes as well as the Turks try and dominate the high seas for the whole time. WIth the Turks it sounds interesting starting with 1 province and a pretty big army see how fast you can expand.
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Toda Nebuchadnezzar
07-22-2002, 19:51
Noway man! The Egyptians will be really good I think because of the conditions that they will fight in at home they will be able to beat other factions with hit and run attacks and ambushes.
Thats one thing you never saw online in 3v3's and 4v4's. Battles where one defending army was used in terror attacks as the other armies gradually moved towards the defence. Well at least i never saw it happen. Hope its possible now.
Not many will be able to stand the conditions in egypt against the egyptians. I wanna be them first off.
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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!
No Fear Legend.
4v4...
Attacking side: English, Germans, French and Italians.
Defending side: Almohad, Egypt, Turks, Byzantium.
Under the assumptions that all players are of EQUAL skill, which side do you think wins?
Stephen Hummell
07-22-2002, 21:06
Only reason I'm playing Byzantium and the danes is because of Big Axes!
Stephen Hummell
07-22-2002, 21:07
Everyone will suffer to my German onslaught!
The attackers will win because of Italy's light infantry and the fact that Byzantium has most of the decent heavy units down there. That is unless there is a whole lot of cavalry on the attacking side. In which case they will be slaughtered by camels.
I hate to sound like an idiot(well, I am) but the turks have one province, umm, without making that province incredible in its revenue, how are the turks gonna survive if its landlocked and has semi decent defences, it will have to incredible prvince, after a while, if someone else captures it after the turks have expanded, then it will be an awesome provicne to have.(and i am taking into account expansion but you cannot expand that quickly!)
Emp. Conralius
07-22-2002, 23:48
Quote Originally posted by Rokkaku:
I hate to sound like an idiot(well, I am) but the turks have one province, umm, without making that province incredible in its revenue, how are the turks gonna survive if its landlocked and has semi decent defences, it will have to incredible prvince, after a while, if someone else captures it after the turks have expanded, then it will be an awesome provicne to have.(and i am taking into account expansion but you cannot expand that quickly!)[/QUOTE]
Well Rokk, from playing the beta myself, I can tell you this: In the Early Era, the Turks are very expansionist. And the Byzantines are just defensive. Altough the Byzantine Empire in the Early era is huge, their borders are very poorly defended. Plus a lot of their provnces are on the brink of revolt. So that you should really expect to be attacked by the Byzantines, as a matter of fact, they send emmisaries to you almost immediately...
GAH!
If the screenshots are any indication, I think the Turks have 2, maybe 3, provinces. Not 1.
And a large initial standing army...
GAH!
NagaoKagetora
07-23-2002, 01:43
Definately the Danes http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
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Kagetora
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dagdriver
07-23-2002, 14:23
Danes all the way http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Dark Phoenix
07-23-2002, 18:31
Vanya that is what DD said after playing the preview copy.
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I hope the Byzantines have a good military throughout the entire campaign. Or at least very strong trading territories so I can build large armies.
Aelfred Magna
07-25-2002, 02:33
I think one faction that's gonna be in a good position, and is gonna get overlooked, is the Almohad. After all, where most factions are fighting on multiple fronts, the Almohad fight on only one, or at the most, two fronts. This should make the core of their territory pretty easy to defend - especially if they can get one good alliance going (which shouldn't be too hard.)
Kongamato
07-25-2002, 02:44
Just remember that the Almohads have a huge coastline, which could lead to their undoing should they lack naval might.
Russian armies will make all of you tremble! I am going to chase Mongols away like a pack of dogs they are and then move out to conquer Scotland http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
And in online.... you better not get in my way, my loyal retainers will feed your guts to the pigs or throw you into the lake in your best tournament armour!
Regards, Ryurik
Kongamato
07-25-2002, 03:42
Dom puts forth an interesting point about the campaign. A "sphere of influence" or taken province in an area way far away from you will not be as risky as it would be in real life, as communication is instant instead of delayed.
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
07-25-2002, 04:02
hhhmmm good point. You would have thought that they would have thought of that.
Perhaps put a fog of war style covering over the surrounding provinces until you send an emissary there, or a new unit.
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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!
No Fear Legend.
Invading Scotland from Russia... with love...
I doubt he can just plant a unit there all by itself. You can't do that in Shoggy unless you have a Shinobi there (port invasion feature).
But... if you have a SHIP off the Scottish coast, will THAT count, allowing you to invade if the Scots have a port?
Can you board your ships and have them FERRY troops to a province WITH NO PORT?
GAH!
If so, the Scots had better start learning Cyrillic!
GAH!
On the subjects of the Scots... I saw a funny show the other day claiming graverobbing was BIG business in Scotland for a while. There were these two bastids that would dig up bodies from cemeteries and sell them to professors so they could disect them before their classes. Then, when the security got tough, they cooked up a scheme to rent out a house to unsuspecting people and kill them in their sleep so they could sell the bodies! And the final twist: the pigdogs were caught after more than a dozen "slayings", one ratted the other out, and the one on the receiving end got sentenced to death, after which his body was disected in the classroom! GAH! ROFLMAO! His skeleton is STILL on display! GAH! ROFLMAO!
GAH!
I can hear Krast already scolding those Scots... that they wasted perfectly good heads...
GAH!
chilliwilli
07-26-2002, 01:47
I'm going to go with The turks since they are capable of executing speedy attacks because they have the fastest calvary in the game available to them. This suits my playing style well since I'm good at using nomadic tactics.
Spain looks very good to. They have The Knights Santiago who are the 2nd stringest order of knights I think and have a good balance of calvary, infantry, and missile units(that includes mounted Javelins http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif.) available to them.
Kraellin
07-26-2002, 02:18
he who controls the seas, controls the game. so, my first pick is spain. my 2nd pick is england. spain because they are THE point around which you must go to get to the holy lands by sea and have a very good defensive land border while being located close to the heart of europe. remember, this game is stressing the sea for the fist time. trade, troop movement, invasions, all can take advantage of the faster movement by sea. control the sea and you can influence just about anything. and so me, spain is the key...so far, but that's where i'll prolly make my first attempt. the spanish armada shall rise again!
K.
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Quote Originally posted by Kraellin:
he who controls the seas, controls the game. so, my first pick is spain. my 2nd pick is england. spain because they are THE point around which you must go to get to the holy lands by sea and have a very good defensive land border while being located close to the heart of europe. remember, this game is stressing the sea for the fist time. trade, troop movement, invasions, all can take advantage of the faster movement by sea. control the sea and you can influence just about anything. and so me, spain is the key...so far, but that's where i'll prolly make my first attempt. the spanish armada shall rise again!
K.
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If that's the case... ITALY is more central. And because they include VENICE, their navy should be very strong in the Mediterranean.
Hmmm...
Can you build FIRE BOATS to supplement your navy? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Pachinko
07-26-2002, 22:26
Heres mine>
1. Germans. You could be right on the middle..
2. English
3. Byz
4. France
5. ....Ahmmmmm I dont know...hehe...Maybe the Russians
Kongamato
07-26-2002, 23:15
Greek Fire? Here ya go.
Baggala
The baggala has the same basic design as a dhow but carries a catapult. This can be used to throw pots of Greek fire (an incendiary mixture of chemicals) at enemy ships. Pirates also use the baggala, but with rock missiles as they lack access to Greek fire.
Fire Galley
The fire galley is an improvement on the galley of old, equipped with a catapult to rain Greek fire upon an enemy. This, plus soldiers and a ram, make the fire galley a potent ship. Greek fire is a fearsome concoction that burns when wet - the perfect naval weapon!
It's up to you to find out who gets these ships. I believe it is Byzantium, cuz they guarded the secret so well. But I dont know...
youssof_Toda
07-27-2002, 01:03
Turkey will, ofcourse, have the strongest forces http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
JeRrYgArCiA
07-27-2002, 02:17
Egytpians all the way. I'm still in love with those camels http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
-jerry
Quote Originally posted by Kongamato:
Greek Fire? ...[/QUOTE]
No... I was referring to the fire ships Drake sent into Calais to disperse the Spanish armada.
It was a tactic favored by the Spanish. But Drake put it to use quite well. Even though not a single Spanish galleon was lost to the fire ships, they scared the Spanish and caused them to disperse. The English then cherry-picked them to death.
GAH!
So, no... Im not talking about Greek Fire. I'm talking about sending a flaming boat crashing into enemy boats to set them ablaze!
GAH!
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Kongamato
07-27-2002, 04:23
There are no suicide ships. There are some with a frontal ram, but no suicide ships, sorry.
Probably because it would be too cool to not see.
Wow, I've been gone a long time! So many new threads.... Anyway, here's the list of factions I'll be playing first:
1. Byzantines
2. English
3. HRE
4. French
5. Spain (I know, I know, that's not what they're called back then, but my memory is failing me at the moment.)
Boleslaw Wrymouth
08-03-2002, 11:00
For me:
1. Poland. And this time we are keeping Silesia.
2. Byzantium. And this time we are keeping Anatolia.
3. England. And this time we are keeping Calais.
ShadeWraith
08-03-2002, 15:56
Vanya...the Scottish graverobbers were Burke and Hare.
Wraith
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Hirosito
08-03-2002, 20:04
trust shade to come up with that
KampfBar Ritter
08-03-2002, 21:46
Germany will be my first faction i play with and will be my MP faction of choice.
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Stephen Hummell
08-03-2002, 22:29
1.Turkey (duh, have best army)
2.Germany
3.Egypt
4.England
5.Almohad
6.Spain
7.Danes
8.Poland
9.Byzantium
10.Poland
11.Italy
12.Russia
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Funky Phantom
08-04-2002, 02:03
Mine are:
1)England
2)Turkey
3)Almohad
4)Ermmm...possibly HRE
5)Byzantines?
6)Polish??
7)Who knows :P
Gallowglass
08-04-2002, 07:04
Hi board.
Vanya, Burke and Hare weren't Scottish they were actually Irish.
Also the reason that graverobbing was big business in Scotland back then was because of Edinburgh University, which used to be the most advanced in the world for medical practices. Bodies were always needed to get experimented on.
If you are interested in murderers who are Scottish you should check up sites on Sawney Beane. Burke and Hare are pussies in comparison.
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1) HRE
2) Russian
3) Spanish
4) English
5) Egyptians
6) Italians
7) Danes
8) Byzantines
9) Turks
10) French
11) Almohads
12) Polish
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1.Egypt
2.England
3.Byzantine
4.Almohad
5.Russia
6.Danes
7.France
8.Spain
9.Italy
10.Poland
11.Holy Roman Empire
12.Ottomans (hey, would a greek be caught dead playing the turks!)
Well according to the interview at HomeLan. The Italians are out and the Hungarians are in. You can also play as the Golden Horde in a historical campaign. This makes it very interesting.
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DragonCat
08-08-2002, 20:40
Hmmm,
I may have to have multiple computers running games simultaneously so I can play them all!
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Nicephorus Phocas
08-08-2002, 21:24
I'm going to play
1. Byzantines (Who wouldn't want to play the Romans?)
2. Turks (Best expansionist power historically)
3. English (I am English)
4. HRE (Just seems interesting)
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The day star rises
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The interview was false.....the hungarians are not in.... this is according to DD.
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Funky Phantom
08-09-2002, 02:57
So youre 100% sure that the Hungarians are going to be a non-playable faction?
Aelfred Magna
08-09-2002, 03:59
unless they drastically change something between the current build Darkmoor's writing his review on, and the final version, that's correct. The Italians are playable, and the Hungarians are not. That is, with as much certainty as is be possible, guaranteed.
The Sultan
08-09-2002, 19:09
Any side with camels!
I guess Almohads & Egyptians, are there any others?
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DD and piper confirmed it was a mistake
turks get camels
byzantine as a whole was more greek in terms of culture and customs than it was roman (it used roman political system but they spoke greek)
Quote Originally posted by fubi:
byzantine as a whole was more greek in terms of culture and customs than it was roman (it used roman political system but they spoke greek)[/QUOTE]This is true and this is why it alienated them from the Western empire. Most of the Western empier spoke Latin before its fall.
Nicephorus Phocas
08-09-2002, 20:34
I think that an Empire with a Roman political system, which was certainly Roman at one point in it's history, which still has roman attitudes and whose inhabitants were called Roman by all contemporary peoples is Roman enough for me
Certainly Roman culture may have evolved through prolonged contact with Greek culture, but at it's core it remains Roman, despite the language having changed. After all you can be Scottish or Irish without speaking Gaelic.
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