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Emp. Conralius
08-10-2002, 22:53
Just a topic to discuss the social and military elite of the Crusades, the Orders!
fubi
08-11-2002, 09:14
go templars!
you know that the same family names appear in the cathars and the templars at the same time, one brother from a noble family would join the knights templar and the other would become a cathar. its also proven that it was common practice to help out the cathars and hide them from the crusaders during the Albigensian crusade (it was designed to kill all cathars, which it did, it is also when the inquisition was formed) and another strange thing during that time is the fact that the power base of the templars AND the cathars was in languedoc in the south of france, yet the templars who wre the biggest fighting order then took no part in the crusade...

interesting dont ya think?

also during the trials of the templars the chruch never brought up the fact they had a close relationship with the cathars and aided heretics rather than helping the church...

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Emp. Conralius
08-11-2002, 11:10
I'm with the Knights Santiago! Templars are cool too; they are the only fighting order that uses swords instead of lances...odd.
bruteztrausen
08-11-2002, 13:53
wich are the best knights?Santiago knights, Templars,teutonic or hospitalier?
Frantz
08-11-2002, 18:41
Remember that the accuses against the Templars were invented by the court of Philippe the beutiful to aquire all the properties that the order had in France .
that accuses involved Heretic faiths , like the cult of Baffometto ( maometto !! )and homosexual attitutes but the confessions were obtained with torture and prison .
fubi
08-11-2002, 19:16
but they never brought up the link with the cathars when the templars were being prosocuted!

it was spelt baophomet i think...

they also supposedly worshiped a severed head which talked to them .etc
Frantz
08-12-2002, 00:58
it was strange that a man that given his life for christianity worhipped a severed head , was linked with heretics or worst worshipped the main enemy's prophet , btw that they formed a sort of sect and that there were homosexual pratices is more possible
Emp. Conralius
08-12-2002, 03:43
acoording to most accounts (as far as unit descriptions), the Templars are the most powerful. I find this odd because they are supposedely the fiercest, yet they wield swords instead of lances.
fubi
08-12-2002, 05:28
most charges were made up, and those that werent probably only applied to a few templars.

the templars were the most powerful because of their money, they had massive funds (and therefore manpower) and they had a flet the size of a nations navy (which dissapeared on the day the were rounded up, but noone knows where the fleet went although it probably went to scotland)
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
08-13-2002, 00:47
The Templars were a very well organised and disciplined Holy Order. The Hospitallers like them.

But unlike most other Holy Orders they were spread all over Europe. The Hospitallers were in Malta and the Teutonics(were they a holy order) were in north eastern Europe(HRE lithuania Poland and so on)

Santiago Knights originated in Castillian Spain and remained there most of the time fighting the Moors.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/3908/links2.htm Try this site for Military Orders.



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