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I heard over at .COM that PC Gamer UK is out and they reviewed Medieval! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif They gave it a score of 93%. Excellent! Mongol Invasion was given 95% and the original Shogun was given 92%.
Can someone provide a scan? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif If you don't have space where to upload them just email me at terazawa@totalwar.org. I fear I can't put them up to the general public because of legal implications but for 'clique' use we'll close one eye.
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[This message has been edited by Terazawa Tokugawa (edited 08-03-2002).]
theforce
08-04-2002, 00:29
Has the game gone gold?
They must have played a near finished version BUT wtf...they gave MI a 95% !!!
The original Shogun should have scored higher.
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No offence, but UK Pc Gamer isn`t the best gaming magazine in the world. They got a bad habit of reviewing beta games and giving them high scores. That sometimes makes people think that they are corrupted.
PC Gamer UK has given like 92 for Braveheart(very buggy game) and 90 for Force Commander(not too good either)
Im sure that Medieval will get high scores in other mags as well, but I just hate people who review beta games. PC Gamer UK only cares about being first who reviews a game and that is only possible when you review game´s beta and not the final version.
Cheers
Right on, that is absolutely correct. Reviewing beta games is a practice which should be stopped. PC Gamer is a great mag, but the reviews should be approached with caution.
Stephen Hummell
08-04-2002, 00:50
Just see The US version will give it a 50 or lower. In the US the Mags don't know a good game when they see one. They just like fantasy and Shoot-m-ups.
Emp. Conralius
08-04-2002, 01:04
How could they give the MI a better review than MTW? That kinda bugs me....
Stephen Hummell
08-04-2002, 01:11
There were other things in MI that wasn't in STW. I got Warlords edition and Sengoku Jidai it was much better.
Kongamato
08-04-2002, 01:12
HA! Let me tell you the Gamespot game review algorithm...
Is it a sequel?
Yes -.4 from original
Is it from Blizzard or ID or any other heavy-hitter?
No -1.0 from original
soo... What does MTW get?
8.8 - 1.4 = 7.4
My guess for Gamespot: 7.4
IGN algorithm:
Is it fun?
Yes
9.0
oZoNeLaYeR
08-04-2002, 01:13
Tera, if u got the mag this week i'll scan it for u guys http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
just remember to spare some change for me, say 5 or 10¢ http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Funky Phantom
08-04-2002, 01:54
Im waiting for the PC Zone review before i jump for joy. PC Zone is the best PC games mag by a long way, theyre much tighter with their high scores than other mags so you know when something gets 90+, it is a brilliant game and worth the money.
In fact most games that get 80+ are brilliant too...
Emp. Conralius
08-04-2002, 05:37
Gamespot gave STW an 8.8 (GREAT) and gave the MI and the WE an 8.5 (GREAT).
hey! I think PC gamer is a very good mag, they do sumtimes get taken with the hype and do overrate first person shooters, they luv em. but they are quality.
can some1 scan the mag and print it here?
[This message has been edited by Rokkaku (edited 08-04-2002).]
I love PC Gamer UK too. I agree that sometimes they review games too early and are wrong (Hidden And Dangerous, Hitman, Serious Sam examples) but the mag contains LOADS of useful information and great articles...
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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
Full review is in PC Gamer out on the 7th http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Well it seems that it is already out FasT..
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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
Emp. Conralius
08-04-2002, 23:05
Are you talking about the US or the UK?
The latest CGW preview of Medieval is positively glowing.
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CONITOERGOVINCO
We're speakin of UK edition.
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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
Yeah UK edition.....Full review is out on the 7th in PC Gamer...i've been told?
Ur telling me its already out now?
If so post a little info here.. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
It is apparently.
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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
Quote Originally posted by Terazawa Tokugawa:
It is apparently.
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Grrrrrrrr i go see if i can find it tomoz http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Funky Phantom
08-05-2002, 02:08
Dont you just hate it when a highly anticipated game gets rated by a mag, gets a massive rating, but its not in the shops yet...
Youre left wetting yourself with anticipation after the review but you cant get your hands on the thing for another month...grrr...
PCG UK often bring out issuse earlier then stated in the previous issue
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MagyarKhans Cham
08-05-2002, 05:30
Tera it seems ur able to keep our young wolf busy http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
It's good fun Cham http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif FasT is a very good and talented (you need to take your head back! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif) chap.
The Kocmoc of the future?
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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
pc gamer is the best mag in the uk imo . . pc zone isnt up to its standards ..
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"...but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive,
and the other would accept war rather than let it perish,
and the war came."
Abraham Lincoln, 2nd Inaugural Address
4 March 1865
Quote Originally posted by Terazawa Tokugawa:
It's good fun Cham http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif FasT is a very good and talented (you need to take your head back! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif) chap.
The Kocmoc of the future?
[/QUOTE]LOL such kind words Tera's....
I have a long way to go,to even get close to Kocmoc's skills.I may never get to his level,but it wont be for not tryin http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
Right im off soon to go hunting for this Mag.
If i find it i will post my results.I dont have scanner but i will give u a basic rundown.Well if i find it(PC.GAMER)
Tera http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif i will get my head back soon! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
In time u may never get urs back! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gifAs FasT skills grow.....Sadly i cant ply as much as i would like at moment http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
Funky Phantom
08-05-2002, 17:48
Quote Originally posted by JAG:
pc gamer is the best mag in the uk imo . . pc zone isnt up to its standards ..
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Too many games mags give out huge scores based on the hype of a game alone, PC Zone doesnt, i trust its ratings far more than any other mag...
You're still way back FasT http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
Nope i not found mag?
I have the edition 112 with Warcraft III review....which i bought a couple of weeks ago.
What does the new front cover on this 1 look like?
i still think its the 7th?
I shall look again on Wednesday http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/confused.gif
hmmmm what edition is this 1 that u say is out?113 maybe?
Quote Originally posted by Terazawa Tokugawa:
You're still way back FasT http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
[/QUOTE]Yup i agree,im still a newbie with much too learn..U guys have been plyin 2 years or so now....FasT has only been plyin since December.....+ i was offline for 2/3months with comp problems.But i still have so much fun! no matter what.
hmmmmm Now when shall i take my head back! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif
DarknScaly
08-05-2002, 19:29
both PCZ and PCG (UK) got their STW facts completely wrong and missed out the buggy parts entirely....indeed neither even knew about many of them...
In both cases they thrived playing the game across their LANs and spent little time on the SP Campaigns or Internet MP etc.
Dont expect anything different this time around...and until they dedicate 300+ hours to campaign play alone, don't imagine they have much clue as to how it fully plays.
"Dipping your finger into campaign play" isn't the same as "playing the campaigns".
As it stands atm there's no way id give MTW even close to that sort of score... not a chance.
Mag info ?
Mag edition number?
Hell i cant find it http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif R u guys pullin my chains??? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif
No, just your leg http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
ShadeWraith
08-05-2002, 20:53
Im with Fast on this one, had a browse through a few newsagents and came up with several versions of PCG none of them with an MTW review though http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
Wraith
.COM posted about this...
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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
Not to be Mr.Negative, but I give no more than a grain of salt to magazine reviews. Unless the game is a complete failure from a no-name company, they will give it a decent-to-good review.
As a side note, it's funny Mongol Invasion got a 95% considering how many people hated how reinforcements worked, how one hero could take on an entire army, etc, and the original Shogun, an amazing and unique game, got only a 92%.
The only reviews I care about are from fellow gamers who have bought the game and have played it, and can tell me in all honesty what they think of it, or from personal friends who did the same.
Well...'only' 92%... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
DarknScaly,
I don't think PCG and PCZ got it wrong concerning STW. Scores in magazine mean nothingh in terms of absolute quality of a game. It is more a relative measure. They gave STW a scores in the 90% because they considered it was a revolution in the RTS world, and that STW was the best strategy game available. That didn't mean that STW was a perfect game, and that it was bug free, simply it meant that it was the benchmark in terms of strategy game on PC. It was better than AOE and Stracraft.
If you give a low score to MTW because of some bugs, which are likely to be corrected in forthcoming patches, then you are sending the wrong message to people. Most people will understand your low score by "this game is crap, let's buy Warcraft 3 instead". Of course if don't like MTW and think that Warcraft 3, Empire Earth or other C&C games are better than MTW, then you would be perfectly right to give MTW a low score. But if you think that MTW, despite some flaws, is the best strategy game on the market, then you would be very very wrong to give it less than 90%. Because most people who have never played STW woill not read your review, but look directly at the score, and since the score is below 90% will consider the game as crap. Then they would buy Warcraft 3 instead, who got 93% at gamespot, and about 90% in most magazines.
Always best to judge a game urself http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
IMO if a game gets a review lower than 80% u should really know its not gunna be that good?
I looked for this mag again with no look http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
.com......PC gamer.com???
Quote Mag info ?
Mag edition number?[/QUOTE]
Subscribers to pc gamer get the issue before it comes out in shops it should be in shops around the 7th
The issue number is 113 and there is a big picture of a knight on the front and medieval total war in big letters at the top.
The person who reviewed Mongol Invasion was ian roxburgh and was a really big fan of shogun so probably marked it higher than the other people would have (he left now and joined creative assembly and is properly the reason PCG is getting exclusives) reviews are really just the personal opinions of the reviewer dose not mean you will like that game
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[This message has been edited by aeglos (edited 08-05-2002).]
DarknScaly
08-05-2002, 22:46
Quote Originally posted by togu:
DarknScaly,
If you give a low score to MTW because of some bugs, which are likely to be corrected in forthcoming patches, then you are sending the wrong message to people. [/QUOTE]
Nope - you are telling them the true state of the game - not what you "think" it may be in an unknown future.
One is a review - the other isnt, its a guess.
Reviews are supposed to empower the reader into making an informed decision on whether or not to buy the game... hard to do that if folks "forget to mention" bugs, missing features etc etc...and no use to the reader when they find out the reviewer said "well i figured they'd fix that so i didn't mention it wont run on windows platforms".
E.g.
a) This is a brilliant game
b) This is a brilliant game IF they fix XYZ so that it actually works as intended.
Entirely up to you which version you'd like to read... I know which one I want to know about...and i don't read PCG or PCZ because they are too full of a)'s.
ok thnxs for info....
And plzs dont lets turn this into a sour debate? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif
If u like it ply it..if not dont http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
I will buy that edition anyway.
Thanks Aeglos.
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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)
evil is within us... http://www.totalwar.org/site/emomalta.gif
Quote Originally posted by Terazawa Tokugawa:
I will buy that edition anyway.
Thanks Aeglos.
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Ok 1 day to go them im off to hunt for it yet again http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
If i had a scanner......I would send u the images Tera....then i could alter and ajust some then upload them here without getting ur ASS! sued http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Hmmmmmm just a thought maybe one of my m8's has 1...I'll go check this out now!He could scan them and send them through to me???
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
08-06-2002, 20:34
Well i have the demo which came with the July issue (no.111).
The cover is about Doom 3 though. It has a fourpage look at MTW but no score so not a full review.
The fourpage look at MTW is also on pcgamer.com (http://www.pcgamer.com)
and also possibly DD's site.
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Erado the Black
08-06-2002, 21:39
Dark 'n Scaly,
You're very much right. Let's have a look at PCGamers 'independant' role for just a split second. One issue ago they got the scoop with the demo on their cd. Nice for everybody. Way to go PCGamer. Now, after Activision have been so nice for them, do you really think that the game would have gotten a low percentage? No, MTW already had 90% + before the review version of the game was on their desks.
I am not saying this is a bad thing. It's how the market works, and we benefit from it because we get the demo one way or the other. And the game we love gets lots of attention and new players come in.
The only thing a review tells me is whether it is absolute crap (don't try too many games that get a below 70% score), potential crap (hell even a score below 80% is suspect) or potentially good (80% and up).
But let's be careful out there... Sea Dogs got some great reviews before it was released. After it had been released the Bethesda forums were buzzing with Bugs, bugs, bugs and... (thinking...) oh yeah, more bugs.
The best ones are the ones that go 'Wow, Nitwit the Barbarian looks great, plays fun unless you got an sblive on a VIA mobo, then you're screwed... we asked the devs about it...' and two months later 'The sound issue reported in our review of Nitwit the Barbarian has been solved in the first patch they released just recently and which you can find on our cover disk'
You want a good review? Here is one:
MTW is a great game building on STW and MI/WE, but with many great and new features, taking the gaming experience one step further. There are technical issues with it. Some of the issues from the demo will be solved in the final release. If you got a Compaq where you can't adjust the AGP aperture in the MOBO's Bios setup you may only be able to play the game without hardware acceleration. Make sure you try the demo firt in that case, and await the news in the forums to find out if this is really an issue. In all other cases, ask the Sword Dojo's resident village idiot Erado San.
Now go out and buy it as soon as it hits the shelves. You're active in the prime fansite's forum. You really need a review? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Dark Phoenix
08-06-2002, 22:13
Erado you forgot the part were you could just play the strategy part of the game if you have a crap computer, which is my likely scenario.
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Kamui_Imagawa
08-09-2002, 03:23
Well the fact is whether you like the mag PC GAMER UK or not, it was a good review that left a warm feeling in the hearts of all who are anticipating the release for MTW. (just had to give the conclusion!)
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theNiceOne
08-09-2002, 12:48
I got the mag on monday her in Norway (being a subscriber pays off), and found the review quite entertaining. I think the review managed to communicate not only how the game functions, but how you get drawn into it.
Regarding the score, 93% is very good, and in their next number you will see MTW listed as the best RTS game ever in their "Big Game Hunt" pages - STW holds that place now.
The 93% should not be directly compared to the 92% of STW or the 95% (was it really 95?) of the add-on. This is clearly explained two other places in the same mag where score in general is discussed. A game receiving 93% today is probably better than a game that received 94-95% last year, because the bar has been raised since then.
Hirosito
08-10-2002, 00:10
true except that noone has raised the bar on stw/mi
Rob The Bastard
08-10-2002, 09:17
So... hands up who would pay any attention to a poor review of MTW???
Chances are that we would still go out and buy the game.
Less enthusiastic players would look over a friends shoulder at it running or have a go at a retail store.
Also at this stage of the games development I would still call it a preview. Would the game have been in its ready to release state at the time that it was looked at by the reviewer??? was that a month ago?? two weeks??.
Graaf DirkIII
08-12-2002, 06:03
you want a good review? look at this then http://www.fourbelowzero.com/games/strategy/MTW/preview.htm it`s good it`s DD`s read it and weep/laugh/ crie. btw why does PCG come twoo weeks late on the contninetn eh? it`s unfair I tell you. UNFAIR *runs away crieing*.
Rob, you asked;
Quote So... hands up who would pay any attention to a poor review of MTW???[/QUOTE]
My hand is up...way up! I love getting to see the other side of the coin. Hearing both the positives and the negatives gives me the perspective I look for. Knowing what both are allows me to get a pretty good idea of where the truth is (usually somewhere in the middle).
Your next sentence is quite true and I'd fall into that category as well;
Quote Chances are that we would still go out and buy the game.[/QUOTE]
You are also correct with the "review" being a "preview", unless the game has gone gold and that's what was being looked at.
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Emp. Conralius
08-13-2002, 10:25
well, is anyone gonna san the review?
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