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English assassin
08-16-2007, 08:52
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6947716.stm

Well, this is nice.

OK, although I never subscribed to the "all the problems in the middle east stem from western cultural imperialism" idea, I admit I do think its a significant part of the problem. (I've said it before, but anyone who wants to understand Iran, for example, at least needs to have heard of people like Kermit Roosevelt and his chums in MI6)

And then along comes this. AFAIK the Yazidi have never invaded, bombed, or exported fizzy soft drinks to anyone, none of which seems to have prevented somebody thinking they should be blown to smithereens.

Possibly the terrorist infrastructure that enabled the Yazidi bombers to carry out the act is only in place because of bigger anti-western feelings, but its a warning to anyone (me) who might try to understand islamofascism through the lens of other terrorist activities. Obviously NOT being connected with the west in any way is no guarantee you aren't on the Islamist **** list. I can't imagine Lenin having carried out an equivalent act, for instance.

I've also got (actually, I always had) considerable sympathy for Odin's view that one way to deal with this sort of thing is to remove yourself from the immediate vicinity of the would-be martyrs. Unfortunately that does mean they will, for want of other targets, blow up more people like the Yazidi, and if the alternative was being an effective world police force I might have issues. As the alternative seems to be "protecting" the Yazidi by providing copious other targets I don't have so many issues (although perhaps paradoxically it means I think withdrawal is more justified in the case of failure than in the case of success).

Ice
08-16-2007, 09:05
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6947716.stm

Well, this is nice.

OK, although I never subscribed to the "all the problems in the middle east stem from western cultural imperialism" idea, I admit I do think its a significant part of the problem. (I've said it before, but anyone who wants to understand Iran, for example, at least needs to have heard of people like Kermit Roosevelt and his chums in MI6)

And then along comes this. AFAIK the Yazidi have never invaded, bombed, or exported fizzy soft drinks to anyone, none of which seems to have prevented somebody thinking they should be blown to smithereens.

Possibly the terrorist infrastructure that enabled the Yazidi bombers to carry out the act is only in place because of bigger anti-western feelings, but its a warning to anyone (me) who might try to understand islamofascism through the lens of other terrorist activities. Obviously NOT being connected with the west in any way is no guarantee you aren't on the Islamist **** list. I can't imagine Lenin having carried out an equivalent act, for instance.

I've also got (actually, I always had) considerable sympathy for Odin's view that one way to deal with this sort of thing is to remove yourself from the immediate vicinity of the would-be martyrs. Unfortunately that does mean they will, for want of other targets, blow up more people like the Yazidi, and if the alternative was being an effective world police force I might have issues. As the alternative seems to be "protecting" the Yazidi by providing copious other targets I don't have so many issues (although perhaps paradoxically it means I think withdrawal is more justified in the case of failure than in the case of success).

I cringe when I see stuff like this in the news. It saddens me and reminds me how cruel and unforgiving the world really is. It also makes me thankful for what I have (As clique as that may sound it's true).

Bah, I hope someday this awful crap ends.

Sigurd
08-16-2007, 11:39
Sectarian intolerance surely gives arguments against having organised religion.
I too am greatly saddened that this still goes on today.

It is not just Islam vs. Christianity or in this case Sunny Islam vs. Yazidism. This goes on everywhere in various degrees or form.
You have Catholicism vs. Protestantism in the UK – lots of violence there. I speak as an eyewitness.
I have friends that are LDS and I have mentioned this before. I witnessed a clash of words between a friend of mine and a born again Christian. I was amazed by the hate this person had towards Mormonism. I later asked my friend about this and he said that this was nothing. He had experienced worse when he spent two years as a missionary in England. He then gave the whole story of his church which has had nothing but problems with external intolerance since its beginning in 1830.
I am amazed that in a religion where the basic tenants are; love you enemy, peace and goodwill towards men (as in humans) there is still sectarian intolerance 2000 years after its origin.

This is a case of hopelessness. We can abolish neither religion nor its sects.
We could at least contribute as an organisation (.org) to help reduce intolerance in this world by starting right here in our discussions.
Let’s show tolerance towards the atheists, agnostics and the theists of this board by having discussions with low temperature. There should be room for disagreements but let’s stick to objectivity and good intent with a sprinkle of camaraderie.

Husar
08-16-2007, 11:46
I am amazed that in a religion where the basic tenants are; love you enemy, peace and goodwill towards men (as in humans) there is still sectarian intolerance 2000 years after its origin.
So am I.
If only everybody was like you and me...:sweatdrop:

I think this madness can only end if people change their minds, sadly this seems rather unlikely in many cases and some don't want to change their minds if the other side won't change their minds and vice versa.:shrug:
Sometimes the big leaders behave like children in a Kindergarten.:thumbsdown:

Odin
08-16-2007, 12:42
While this is sad, its not a new Phenom

Source (http://www.iraqslogger.com/preview.php/post/2468/Yazidis_Ask_Iraqi_Government_for_Protection)

Excerpt: MOSUL/BAGHDAD,, 23 April 2007 (IRIN) - Members of the Yazidi religious minority have asked the Iraqi government and international NGOs to protect them after gunmen on Sunday killed 23 Yazidis in Mosul, northern Iraq. "It is unacceptable because Yazidis, in addition to being a minority in Iraq, have been discriminated against for their beliefs and are forced to isolate themselves to stay alive," Hebert Yegorova, a spokesman for Yazidi Peace Association, said.

They arent muslim, and there an easy target. No brainer for Islamist extremists.

Leet Eriksson
08-16-2007, 14:10
This followed the stoning to death of a young Yazidi girl who had converted to Islam and run off with a Sunni Muslim man.

Funny, it seems its just blood money and not really minority targeting after reading this.