View Full Version : Complete List of MTW Units Types..
..as we know them so far. I have added some commentary from my *cough*.. err.. great wisdom and stuff.
HighlandClansman - Braveheart dudes, essentially
BallistaCrew .
MangonelCrew .
CatapultCrew .
TrebuchetCrew .
BombardCrew .
MortarCrew . - Various types of artillery
DemiculverinCrew .
CulverinCrew .
DemicannonCrew .
SerpentineCrew .
SiegecannonCrew .
MurabitinInfantry - ?
Kern - IIRC from Macbeth, these are spear-carrying rabble. I wonder if these are the famous lowlander spearmen?
GenoeseSailors - See demo
Archers - See demo
DesertArchers - SD
TrebizondArchers - More archers..
BulgarianBrigands - More archers..
JanissaryBows - Archers lacking in armpit and pubic hair
Nizari - ??
Futuwwa - ?? African maybe??
JanissaryInfantry - Infantry lacking in armpit and pubic hair
TurcomanFoot - Turks
Longbows - hehehe
Crossbows
PaviseCrossbows
Arbalester - another type of crossbow
PaviseArbalester - another type of crossbow
MamlukHandgun - a guy with a 9mm?? got me. Maybe it's guys with little primitive pistols. They are defined as infantry.
Arquebusier - Arqies!!
HandGun - yeah, it must be primitive pistol-toting infantry
NapthaThrowers - Sandaboma!!
AlanMercenaryCavalry
SteppeCavalry - Mongol-esque cav
Turcopole - Egyptian light cav
BerberCamel
MamlukHorseArchers
TurcomanHorse
HorseArchers
GoldenHordeHorseArchers
ByzantineCavalry
GoldenHordeHeavyCavalry
ReligiousFanatics - Al qaida
HospitallerFootKnights - Crusaders
UrbanMilitia - Militia from the hood
GhaziInfantry
MilitiaSergeants - The NCOs of the Militia organized into their own unit. Not a bad idea actually.
JanissaryHeavyInfantry - Heavy Infantry lacking in armpit and pubic hair
Billmen - Englishmen with something similar to a halberd I believe
Housecarle - ??
VarangianGuard - ??
Halbardiers
OttomanInfantry
ChivalricFootKnights - Dismounted Knights of the Chivalric era
GothicKnights - Knights of the Gothic era
MuwahidFoot
FeudalManAtArms - professional soldier, one level below a "knight" but just as good
AlmohadUrbanMilitia
ChivalricManAtArms - ditto above but of a different era
Gallowglass - IIRC from Macbeth.. Irish soldiers
FeudalFootKnights - dismounted knights from the Feudal era
Peasants - ASHI!
MuslimPeasants - Ashi lacking in armpit and pubic hair
FeudalSergeants - I guess same as militia sergeants, but different era
Spearmen - Dudes with spears and I think shields too.. basically hearking back to the Hoplite tradition, tho they probably have less armor
ByzantineInfantry
SaracenInfantry
ItalianLightInfantry
ChivalricSergeants - More sergeants, different era
OrderFootsoldiers - Footsoldiers under the command of one of the Holy Orders of Knights
GoldenHordeWarriors
GothicSergeants - More sergeants, except now they dress in black and smoke lots of hashish
Pikemen - Pikes! Don't we love 'em
SwissPikemen - Pikes, except they're better cuz they're Swiss
SwissArmouredPikemen
SaharanCavalry
MamlukCavalry
ArmenianHeavyCavalry
BedouinCamelWarriors
Hobilar - See Unit Previews at totalwar.com
GhulamCavalry
KhwarazmianCavalry - See Unit Previews at totalwar.com
PronoiaiAllagion - ??????
Kataphraktoi - Cataphracts.. See Unit Previes at...
OttomanSipahi
FeudalKnights - Knights, but feudal
TeutonicSergeants - Sergeants from Germany
KnightsHospitaller - Crusaders!
KnightsSantiago - Probably crusaders
KnightsTemplar - Crusaders!
TeutonicKnights - Knights from Germany
Lancers - Could be alot of things, but I'm guessing they use lances
ChivalricKnights - Knights, but Chivalric
Gendarmes - ???
GothicFootKnights - Dismounted knights of the Gothic era
EarlyRoyalKnights - Royal knights of the Early era
HighRoyalKnights - TK o da High era
LateRoyalKnights - TK o da Late era
EarlyRoyalGhulamKnights - Royal Ghulam Knights of the Early era
HighRoyalGhulamKnights - you get the picture..
LateRoyalGhulamKnights - ....
SpanishJinetes - As "Jinete" means horseman in Espanol, I'm guessing a type of cavalry
SipahiofthePorte - ?? From Portugal??
Boyar - ??
LithuanianCavalry
PolishRetainer - Like a normal retainer, except his sword is sharp on the wrong edge..
MountedCrossbows
MountedSergeants - Our loveable Sergeants, only mounted
Woodsman - he cuts wood??
SwissHalbardiers - Halbediers, only better cuz they're Swiss
Almughavars - ??
Hashishin - Cheech and Chong: Total War
NegroSpearmen - Similar to ordinary spearmen, except that their spears are of uncommon girth and length
AbyssinianGuard
KHorse .
ArmHorse .
LiHorse . - Various types of mounts.. I'm guessing.. Kinght, Armoured, Light, Camel, and ??
Camel .
EHorse .
Dhow .
Dromon .
Longboat .
Galley .
Barque . - barco means ship in Espanol, so this one is probably Spanish
Baggala .
Caravel . - Various types of ships
Firegalley .
Wargalley .
Cog .
Boom .
Gungalley .
Carrack .
Spy .
Assassin .
Emissary .
Bishop .
Cardinal .
Inquisitor . - Strategic units.. i.e. Ninja, Shinobi etc.
GrandInquisitor.
Priest .
OrthodoxBishop .
Mullah .
Ulama .
Princess .
Crusade - Don't know why these two are listed with the units.. but there they are.
Jihad -
EDIT: Put all the unit names in bold for additional legibility.
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Papewaio
06-25-2002, 08:33
Quote Originally posted by Khan7:
Nizari - ??
Futuwwa - ?? African maybe??
MamlukHandgun - a guy with a 9mm?? got me. Maybe it's guys with little primitive pistols. They are defined as infantry.
Arquebusier - Arqies!!
HandGun - yeah, it must be primitive pistol-toting infantry
NapthaThrowers - Sandaboma!!
Housecarle - ??
VarangianGuard - ??
PronoiaiAllagion - ??????
SipahiofthePorte - ?? From Portugal??
Boyar - ??
Woodsman - he cuts wood??
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Thanks Matt this is from the file you sent me;
Nizari - Syria and built by Muslim Zealots requires the Grand Mosque, Unit Classed as MISSILE, AMBUSH, ANTI_SPEAR, STRONG. Eygptian.
Futuwwa - Require Bowyer 3 and Swordsmith, Unit Classed as MISSILE, AMBUSH, ANTI_SPEAR. Turkish
MamlukHandgun - seems to be a cheaper version of the handgun but they are ok to be generals. So I would infer this is a special low cost unit. Eygptian.
Housecarle - Built in Norway by the Danes. Unit Classed as Attacker, Strong
VarangianGuard - Expensive foot infantry. Requires Spearmaker3 and Royal Place. Unit classed as defender, strong. BYZANTINE
PronoiaiAllagion - Built in Nicaea, Classed as ATTACKER,AMBUSH,ANTI_MISSILE,CAVALRY, another Byzantine unit.
SipahiofthePorte - From Tripoli require Bowyer 4
Boyar - From Tripoli require Armourer3
Both listed as ATTACKER, AMBUSH, MISSILE,STRONG, ANTI_MISSILE, CAVALRY
Stephen Hummell
06-25-2002, 08:33
do the hashishin smoke weed? Cause you said cheech and chong: Total war
Housecarls were used by Harold Godwinson in Hastings and the bridge battle against Hadraade, so the dane unique unit should be viking, shouldn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Papewaio
06-25-2002, 08:44
Vikings were to Danes
as Hopilites were to Greeks
1dread1lahll
06-25-2002, 09:43
Ah geez, it will take hours for newbies to pick their men for a battle..........
Given that they are largely era-specific, as well as clan and even province-specific, I doubt that.
Mameluk handgun, (on the demo) you can play them from the demo are basically what they sound like.
http://dom.angelcities.com/Handgun.jpg
Varagnian Guard, historically, Vikings serving with Byzantine, there is a theory they went on to start Kievan Rus
Boyar, these are russian nobles, should be mounted
Berber Camel (on the demo) - camel archers
Lancers (on the demo) - mounted guys with some long spears
PronoiaiAllagion (on the demo) cavs
Gendarmes (on the demo) knights, but haven't seen the spears, prolly the sprites are missing
Mangonel, BIG thing and does twice as much damage as trebuchet
http://dom.angelcities.com/Mangonel.jpg
NapthaThrowers
http://dom.angelcities.com/napthathrowers.jpg
Orda Khan
06-25-2002, 17:33
The Hashishin were a fanatical Muslim sect who used terror tactics to impose their will on the people around northern Persia.
(Terrorism ain't new)
They were supposedly named this on account of their indulgence with hashish - cannabis resin. Possibly true or not, though hash is still smoked in a lot of middle eastern countries.
Anyway this gave rise to the word 'assassin' as they are more commonly known. Led by 'the Old Man of the Mountain', they terrorised the surrounding area with their intrigue for 200 years. Then the Mongols arrived. They were totally and systematically destroyed by Hulegu. Everyone rejoiced, even Baghdad, until it too suffered the same fate!
Lol Dom, those Mameluk handgun guys remind me of Warren Beatty in Bonnie and Clyde.
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Darkmoor_Dragon
06-25-2002, 18:40
Varangian Guard were a unit of mercenaries hired by the Byzantine Emperors to (largely) protect the throne room and palaces.
They included Danes, Saxons, Englishmen, Irish, Spanish and supposedly even one Viking King. Famed weapons were huge two bladed axes.
Their loyalty was thought to be beyond question as their pay was astronomical - lots of rumours and legens surrounding them.
Read Stephen Lawhead "Byzantium" for a reasonable "fantasy" novel about that period of Byzantium and early medieval times.
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Billmen are one of my favourite units - its a polearm with bascically and axe head on one side and a sharpened hook on the other - it sused to pull mounted men off horses (and to cut reins etc) and was hated by the CHivalric Knighthoods as the rawest peasant could take out a Knight without too much effort - the english specialised in them.
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Spanish Jinetes are cavalry - light to medium - that also cary javelins, as such they can skirmish and mellee reasonably well, quite a good unit but can get caught up in a charge due to short range of javelins.
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Handguns - kind of half way between a pistol and a arquebus really, it was fired with two hands generally though as it was rather heavy and alrge - most often found in the Mid-east its more reliable than arquebus.
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Barques/Caravels - these are the two ship types available to every Western European Navy (and some eastern European) - they are the standard trade and fighting ships of the mediteranean and western europe. Byzantium fire galleys etc eat them for breakfast.
Each "region" seems to get 3 types of ships - a light coastal hugger, a medium all purpose ship and a "heavy" - but the heavy is either a transport or warship - didn't get to see much of the naval stuff though (Cog, Boom, Gungalley, Carrack - look like late era upgrades to me)
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Knights (Various) Some don't have lances btw - i think its the Templars that only carry swords.
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Sipahi of the Porte - "MIddle Eastern" heavy cav with bows and sword and shield - nasty ass cavalry capable of going toe to toe with Royal Knights. Ghulan Knights are probably the nastiest though although the Kataophraktoi are pretty damn super-heavy though.
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Feudal v Milita:
This is quite interesting as what CA have done is split up the "tech" tree in some ways but in others tied them together.
Milita Sergeants and Feudal Sergeants are quite different units but co-exist in the same era.
The "Feudals" represent professional soldiers who fight in return for land, which is reflected in their support costs.
The Millitia represent the Town (and later county and city) militia who bascically represent the part-time (Home Guard) sort of soldiery that came to appear after towns and cities started to get established.
The "ranks" in each grouping refer more to their level of training and armour/weaponry than anything else (not a rank structure per se)
At the "upper end" of the Militia Structure come things like Billmen and Halbediers - non landed-gentry but pretty much professional soldiers in their own right.
On the "feudal" side the upper end are the Chivalric men-at-arms, Chiv sergeants and so forth.
Kraellin
06-25-2002, 20:05
oh, good lord. the history battles are starting. i think i'm going to make a mod where i simply re-name all the units into 'rock', 'paper', 'scissors' and 'shooters'. ;)
K.
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Darkmoor_Dragon
06-25-2002, 20:14
that'd spoil the fun though
Sjakihata
06-25-2002, 21:39
Stephen Hummell ..
As to the vikings are danish special troops.
- The gams starts after 1050 ? Because the viking era ends about 1050, an therefore no viking http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
And the viking wasn't all danish, a lot of swedes, and some germanic cultures were too "vikings".
Quote Originally posted by Khan7:
Given that they are largely era-specific, as well as clan and even province-specific, I doubt that.[/QUOTE]
Kahn7, Lahll talks about online battles. It is a big question whether we have all this units in MP battles or not. If we have, it will be a great mess I am sure.
Stephen Hummell
06-25-2002, 22:11
True but my point was that dane unique unit should not be a saxon unit, as the housecarls are saxon. It should be more dane then.
Stephen Hummell
06-25-2002, 22:25
I hope huscarls and housecarles are the same thing or I'm totally wrong.
I too was speaking of online battles, and gave good reasons why I don't think it will be much of a problem.
Matt
Quote Originally posted by Khan7:
I too was speaking of online battles, and gave good reasons why I don't think it will be much of a problem.
Matt[/QUOTE]
Matt,
What he was trying to say is that it is not clear that restrictions will be placed upon unit selection for online battles based upon the nationality of the player.
If there are no restrictions on unit selection for online play, then it could understandibly take some time to select units
Jaguara
Darkmoor_Dragon
06-26-2002, 02:19
I believe you have to chose both faction AND Era for MP.
Thus you have the 3 Era's to fight within each of which has slightly different units and different again by faction.
(Edit: I didnt explain that very well: You choose Era first - THEN you choose faction, your available troops being limited by the Era you have chosen and the faction you are playing)
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Sjakihata
06-26-2002, 03:35
My linguistic abilities tells me, that it is the same word "huskarl" = "housecarle" in danish http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
However the housecarle was more germanic/teutonic than actual danish.
LittleGrizzly
06-26-2002, 04:19
if troops were clan specific ull get some arguments for sure they should just b era specific as every faction if they really wanted could get ne unit
(mercaneries, copyed style like japan did to make musketeer
Wavesword
06-26-2002, 05:53
It's perfectly valid to have many units as mercenaries but there should be a 20% surcharge for surprise value/ army balancing.
The way I understand it, CA is trying to account for all of the unit types that were historically available to the various factions. So, if they had access to mercenaries, they will have a mercenary unit, as you can see there are several units up there with the word "mercenary" in their title.
So, mercenaries are already accounted for.
I will also note that according to my understanding, the basic tech trees and units are actually RELIGION specific, and then there are like 3-4 factions per religion, and each of those factions will have its own unique unit type, and then there will be other, province-specific units where you have to control a province to produce it.
And then of course there are the eras, so you take the.. probably I'll guess 150 units up there, and break them down into 3 eras: 50 units. Then into 3 religions: 17 units. Then subtract the faction-specific units that you don't have: 17-3= 14 units.
There you have it, simple math. When playing multi, you can expect to have approximately 14 different unit types to choose from.
I believe there were at least 10 units you could choose from with WE/MI in Sengoku, so approx. 14 doesn't seem to be very much to me.
Matt
Thanks Kahn7 and Darkmoor_Dragon for the info. It wont be a mess indeed in this case. However, it makes me curious about the composition of the unit types available to each facton. For example, which units will be available to the English, etc.? Do you know this?
NinjaKilla
06-26-2002, 13:31
Quote Originally posted by Stephen Hummell:
True but my point was that dane unique unit should not be a saxon unit, as the housecarls are saxon. It should be more dane then.[/QUOTE]
Definitely Anglo-Saxon and not Danish. In fact these were probably the best foot troops in Europe at the time.
Kinda my speciality. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
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In bulgaria "boyars" was a nobles, so there are probably not a soldier-units !?
Stephen Hummell
06-26-2002, 21:25
Originally posted by NinjaKilla:
Definitely Anglo-Saxon and not Danish. In fact these were probably the best foot troops in Europe at the time.
They had large axes, and were able to behead a mounted mans horse and the man in one blow.
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Papewaio
06-27-2002, 05:03
Quote Originally posted by Stephen Hummell:
Originally posted by NinjaKilla:
Definitely Anglo-Saxon and not Danish. In fact these were probably the best foot troops in Europe at the time.
They had large axes, and were able to behead a mounted mans horse and the man in one blow.
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Considering the angle of a horses neck and that of a rider... unless the rider has been strapped to the neck, I find that a hard thing to believe... and I don't think dwarves riding shetland ponies should count.
If it is another kind of blow, I suppose the requirements would be a brothel http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
...anyhot the only way i can visualise something like that is with a halberd-like weapon silcing from behind the rider then rapidly dipping to take out the horse.
Orda Khan
06-27-2002, 05:54
Hmmmmmmmmmm.....Orda
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Stephen Hummell
06-27-2002, 08:10
uh well maybe its a myth, but they were very strong.
Hirosito
06-27-2002, 14:59
RAPTOR where are you from?
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Emp. Conralius
06-30-2002, 00:59
The Hashishen were bands of arabic mercenary/assassins who indulged in in smoking bud to experience the benevolence of Allah. It was some good s**t!
Emp. Conralius
07-02-2002, 06:40
Those Swiss Pikemen are going to be bitches on my heavy cavalry!
Huskarls, they are the Danish unique unit. It doesn't really fit, as said they are Saxon. But what else could we give the Danish faction? The Vikings were out by this time, having become christians (no more lust for battle and loot).
So being a Dane I accept the Huskarls.
Emp. Conralius
07-03-2002, 02:53
I know tis isn't AOE2, but weren't Huskarls the unique unit of the Goths? What are they doing with the Danes? But this may work out because at the Battle of Hastings Huskarls were the mercenary soldiers for Harold the Saxon, who was at that point the king of England. Anyways he managed, with his huskarls, to defeat the Danes and Norwegians at Stamford Bridge...
Stephen Hummell
07-03-2002, 03:28
Cause AOE II is so damn inaccurate.
I don't think the danes fought at the battle of Stamford Bridge, Hadraadae was the king of Norway not Denmark. Plus(100 yrs. earlier) when the danes raided England they only attacked the south part of the country while the Norwegians attacked every part of it.
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Emp. Conralius
07-03-2002, 04:52
On the contrary, my frien Harold Hardraade (which mean "hard ruler") was king of Denmark and Norway. As a matter of fact Harold conquered Norway after defeating Sweyn of Norway. He ruled over Denmark before Norway. And he sent Vikings (made up of a joint Danish Norwegian effort) to take England from his cousin.
bruteztrausen
07-16-2002, 15:51
Santiago Knights http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gifcaballeros de la sagrada orden de Santiago por la gracia de Dios y del rey de Castilla). Well armored, they have a lot of experience in fighting against moorish cavalry.They use a spear.
Almughavars:Light infantry from Catauña and Aragon,very fierce, they knock their spears against the rocks and make a lot of sparks.
Savages in battle
Huskarls - housecarls
By the time of Harold these were no longer danish mercenaries paid for by Danegeld, but an exclusive class of highly-trained warriors forming the “spearhead of the Old-English army, and intensely Loyal to Harold.
(name, equpiment and organisation descended from the Danish Mercenary HouseCarls formed 50 years earlier by king Cnut)
http://www.renfroana.150m.com/knightlysocnormanconquest.htm
http://www.btinternet.com/~mrfield/Conquest/housecarls.htm
http://e_richter.tripod.com/thesis/part2b.htm
Emp you are completely wrong there.... Harderåde wanted to attack and conquer Denmark, but his reputation for conquest had preceded him and the Danes were ready, so the mission was scrapped. For some reason he went to England, I don't know why (besides loot ofcourse).
Sweyn Forkbeard was the danish king who avenged the slaughter of the danish settlers by first pillaging and then conquering England. His son Canute (Knud in Danish) became king of England, Denmark and Norway but after him it splintered, and Edward the Confessor took over. After him we have our little battle. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
07-16-2002, 19:20
William of Normandy wanted to be King of England.
Edward the Confessor as a relative to William promised him the throne after his death.
Harold the other competitor for the throne of England was ship wrecked on Normandy coast.
William gets him to swear on old relics that Harold will help William become next King of England.
Harold goes back to England. (I think he is Lord of Wessex by the way)
Ed the Confessor dies.
witan (small body of old "wise" men who's job it is to advise and pick next king) choose Harold as king.
William angry.
He wants to invade England and conquer it but is scared that Harold's army will be ready for him on the shore.
William makes friend of Harold's exiled half borther Tostig.
Tostig agrees with William that he will invade north of England while William invades south just after him.
Tostig enlists army of Harderade(sp?) by promising him large amounts of gold for helping him to invade England.
Harold marches north to fight Tostig and Harderade at Stamford Bridge.-result - Chelsea 4 Tromso 0
Meanwhile William invades south after his men see Hayley's Comet and he tells them its a good sign.
Harold marches his army 192 miles in 6 days to reach south coast and prepares them to meet norman army.
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The Viking army was made up of much the same as the Saxon one.
In defence a wall of heavily armoured and armed Huskarls with shields one after the other were the centre of the army. While to the sides, the skirmishers and peasants massed. - All saxon and Viking fighting was done on foot.
Norman warfare was a mixture. Cavalry was made up of Norman Knights. Dressed in chainmail with lances or swords. Didn't carry shields on horse. Archers were less armoured but never got into h-t-h battle.Men-at-arms wore chainmail and used spears or swords and most carried shields.
The battle of Hastings (on Battle Hill) was pretty decisive but it showed that the new warfare techniques were not that better than the old saxon ways. The Normans found it very hard to penetrate the Huskarl line.(huskarls were then rich saxons who could afford weapons and armour.They were usually the nobility)
Finally rhe fabled pretend to run away and drag the enemy off the hill and then encircle and rout them.
Thats basically it.
P.S. I'm a No Fear Legend http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
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No Fear Legend.
Very nicely put and short (Chelsea 4 Tromsø 0 good one).
But the comet was recorded in Norway to have appeared before Harderåde went on his expedition, and they too took it was a bad omen.
There is a VERY nice site linked in the "3v3 Hastings mod" in the mod forum. Try it, it is worth a lot.
Didn't Harald Hardrada have a claim to the English throne as well, through the bloodline of Cnut the great? Also Edward the confessor wanted an alliance with Normandy in order to lessen the scandinavian threat, thus giving him a good reason to want William on the throne.
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
07-18-2002, 22:21
Yeah something like that.
I mean its all possible since it happened so long ago that its hard to get what exactly happened and what exactly was wanted.
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Stephen Hummell
07-18-2002, 22:32
Tostig, Harolds brother fought and died with Haadradda.
Stephen Hummell
08-15-2002, 20:29
Why the bump Cheetah?
NinjaKilla
08-15-2002, 23:45
Borroca is right about the housecarls being Anglo-Saxon nobles.
I'm not overly sure about the Norwegian and Danish politics - it's a pretty massive and 'dark' subject so I never really got too involved in it.
Toda some of what you initially said in your last post is historically questionable. (That's why I love this subject I guess). In fact the issue that I think is most open to 'interpretation' is the actual battle itself. For one I find the idea of an organised disengagement and retreat somewhat hard to believe. Nevertheless it is clear that the Anglo-Saxons failled to capitalise on a favourabale position at Hastings - probably largely due to Harolds death.
If anyone is interested in this sort of thing (hehe I wonder http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif), I ve got a shedload of essays on Anglo-Saxon history. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
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