View Full Version : Russia - playable or not?
Funky Phantom
08-14-2002, 20:27
From looking at DD's screens of the faction selection screen, it appears the Russians are not a playable faction in the early era, maybe not in the game as a whole...
Can anyone confirm their status as a faction?
Quote Originally posted by Funky Phantom:
...Can anyone confirm their status as a faction?[/QUOTE]
Ask any Russian if Stalin was a playable "faction"...
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/confused.gif
GAH!
Before I veer of on a tangent here... Most, if not all reviews, have said Russia is playable...
Funky Phantom
08-14-2002, 20:37
But most reviews were probably using an earlier version of the game than DD has...
DD, whats happening? :\
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Stephen Hummell
08-14-2002, 21:06
Yes they are play able but not in the early era I think.I've posted their GA and so they're playable.
DarknScaly
08-14-2002, 21:09
Yup they are playable.
Just not in early era in the version i have. AFAIK all playable factions are playable in all eras in final version...
remember version before Danes werent in early era - these things get added in and balanced as they go along - so also dont take the ratings, units and provinces listed as gospel either.
Funky Phantom
08-14-2002, 21:10
Phew, i was worried for a while there...
I think theyre a strong faction due to their geographical position alone, they can take a lot of land without coming into confilct with another faction for ages, but then the mongols show up to spoil the party... :\
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Emp. Conralius
08-14-2002, 23:52
Something is bothering me. On the following screen, the factions that are highlighted are supposedly playable. the Hungarians are highlighted in the Early Era. Arethey playable in the early era?
http://www.fourbelowzero.com/games/strategy/MTW/images/factionstarts/early.jpg
Funky Phantom
08-15-2002, 00:19
The factions highlighted are not all playable, if you look you will also see the Aragonese, Sicilians and Papacy highlighted but they are not playable, the factions shown are all the factions in this period, however not all are playable, so neither Hungary nor the three i mentioned are playable...
Are you sure the Byzantines don't start out controlling Constantinople during the High period?
Emp. Conralius
08-15-2002, 00:53
Quote Originally posted by Funky Phantom:
The factions highlighted are not all playable, if you look you will also see the Aragonese, Sicilians and Papacy highlighted but they are not playable, the factions shown are all the factions in this period, however not all are playable, so neither Hungary nor the three i mentioned are playable...[/QUOTE]
True, but all the playable factions are highlighted as well.
Funky Phantom
08-15-2002, 01:20
Just because the factions are highlighted does not neccessarily mean they are playable, im fairly definite all except the Hungarians, Papacy, Aragonese and Sicilians are playable and these four are not...
Care to confirm this DD?
There is a highlighted non-playable faction that emerged in the high period near Byzantine. What faction is this? The color is a darker blue than Britain.
the Byzantines lost Costantinopoles during the 4th Crusade in 1204 if i remember well , they regained it later before losing it definitely in 1453
Funky Phantom
08-15-2002, 01:37
The dark blue faction is France, i take it they crusaded into the holy lands around that time, im not really up on my medieval history...
By the way, England are red :P
Also, the shade of blue only looks darker since in the holy lands its next to yellow, which is lighter than red, therefore it makes the blue seem darker http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
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Oops, I meant France. Yeah, Constantinople looks like neutral territory during the High period and it looks like the darker blue is France.
DarknScaly
08-15-2002, 03:56
aye they show all the major factions including non-playable ones.
Russia is not playable until Middle Era.
There are 3 Russian factions as such, Russia, Russian and Novgorod (stuf from the demo files).
Russia is playable.
Chill.
Regards, Ryurik
hmm, like Novogrod, Muscovy, Vladimir?
I don't think Russia and Russians as two different factions will quite cut it for a final version http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Funky Phantom
08-16-2002, 00:02
There may be rebels reffered to as "Russians" but i think there will only be one faction called Russia, that being the playable one...
You can get "English" controlling a province without them actually being the actual English faction as each province has its own default name for rebels...
czaralex
08-16-2002, 07:50
Russia has to be the in the early Era, it was strong only during the Early Era of all the three eras covered in this game. If Russia can only start playing in 1200 they have only 23 years untill the battle of Kalka River and thus the end of Kieven Russia! That doesn't make it sence!
Quote Originally posted by czaralex:
Russia has to be the in the early Era, it was strong only during the Early Era of all the three eras covered in this game. If Russia can only start playing in 1200 they have only 23 years untill the battle of Kalka River and thus the end of Kieven Russia! That doesn't make it sence![/QUOTE]
Yeah it does http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif Give me Kievan Russia with a hindsight of Mongol Invasion and I will get myself ready to mince the Golden Whorde to bits and feed them to dogs just like they deserve.
Main Medieval war of Russia is Mongol Invasion. I just cannot see how developers could set the right historical conditions for 1223 without over intervening in the gameplay.
I am waiting to play Russia first thing after I get the game, but I reckon developers have made the right choice.
Regards, Ryurik
DarknScaly
08-16-2002, 20:09
Russians doing well....
http://www.fourbelowzero.com/games/strategy/mtw/images/russiavengland.jpg
but my English will have them yet!
wow! nice progress ...
BTW, what is that black patch in front of and behind the russians?
DarknScaly
08-16-2002, 21:23
Some is HRE Germans) the rest is "uncovered territory".
Its a very minor issue but its hard to see the HRE countries as they are black on the mini-map - as are also any provinces that you cant see (you hvae no units in them and beyond the sight of any sea units)
On that image the Germans have a line of provinces along the english eastern border - beyond thos you cant see whats going on - but i believe the provinces are owned by a misture of byzantine, hungarian and russians.
Emp. Conralius
08-16-2002, 23:03
Quote Originally posted by DarknScaly:
Russians doing well....
http://www.fourbelowzero.com/games/strategy/mtw/images/russiavengland.jpg
but my English will have them yet![/QUOTE]
BOOOOOOOOOOHH!! I don't like what I see...the Russians in control of Constantinople?! Oh well http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif Anyways, I think when the game gets to this point, that is where a lot of fun is. The superpowers having at each other!
DarknScaly
08-16-2002, 23:34
they took it off the turks, who had taken if off the byzantines.
Funky Phantom
08-17-2002, 00:48
I have a question DD, in many screens ive seen of the game, it appears that the game has turned into a "two super-power" type game, one usually being the player, one being AI controlled, with all smaller factions being gobbled up by theses two, does this happen a lot?
Do things end up as a clash of the titans on a regular basis?
Emp. Conralius
08-17-2002, 01:27
Quote Originally posted by Funky Phantom:
I have a question DD, in many screens ive seen of the game, it appears that the game has turned into a "two super-power" type game, one usually being the player, one being AI controlled, with all smaller factions being gobbled up by theses two, does this happen a lot?
Do things end up as a clash of the titans on a regular basis?[/QUOTE]
Though the quesion was not adressed to me, I'm sure that I can answer your question Funky. From my experiences in STW, I can tell you that this was ALWAYS the case. Just as you are building your empire and conquering new lands, so is another. At one point n STW, was the Shimazu. I was expanding the empire, and had finally taken Yamashiro. But then I was faced with a new enemy, the Uesugi. Unbeknownce to me, the Uesugi had eliminated all the eastern clans. As you could see from the screen earlier in the thread, the only real powers are the HRE, the Russians, and the English. With, of course, the ever present rebel factions. In this case, I'de predict that one o these 3 super-powers would eliminate eachother and so on. My uncle was coming toward the end of his campaign as the Byzantines when he found that his rival "super-power" happened to be the Almohads.
Funky Phantom
08-17-2002, 02:04
From that screen, id say it wont be the HRE winning due to the fact that they are sandwiched between the other two super-powers...
I have a similar experience to you with STW, ive been in the situation where we both own half of Japan and the place aint big enough for the both of us, those situations were very interesting as you would usually both have a roughly equal number of troops, so it all became very tactical...
However what id sometimes do was use my ports to send troops behind their lines and either burn down all the structures in their provinces and then abandon them and move to the next and repeat this or try to establish a beach-head (e.g. capture a river province and begin re-inforcing it). However now it would be very different...
I have (yet) another question, if there are only two factions left over on the whole map and they are at war, is it possible to generate income from trade?
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