View Full Version : Hillary's got friends in... weird places.
Don Corleone
08-28-2007, 21:03
Behold:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/images/NA-AN824_DONATE_20070827193848.jpg
according this WSJ article (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118826947048110677.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news), what you're looking at is the home of the 3rd largest contributor to Hillary Clinton campaigns over the past 3 years. Where the other contributors buy and sell Manhatten real estate or manage hedge funds, these folks, the Paws, run a gift shop.
Is anybody else reminded of all of Bill's strange ties to the PRC?
Devastatin Dave
08-28-2007, 21:22
Behold:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/images/NA-AN824_DONATE_20070827193848.jpg
according this WSJ article (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118826947048110677.html?mod=hpp_us_whats_news), what you're looking at is the home of the 3rd largest contributor to Hillary Clinton campaigns over the past 3 years. Where the other contributors buy and sell Manhatten real estate or manage hedge funds, these folks, the Paws, run a gift shop.
Is anybody else reminded of all of Bill's strange ties to the PRC?
Hmmmm, somethings not right. Then again, Vince Foster figured out a way to kill himself by shooting himself twice. Anything's possible with the Clinton's.:no:
Don Corleone
08-28-2007, 21:26
The Paw's Daly City home is a one-story house in a working-class suburb of San Francisco. On a recent day, a coiled garden hose rested next to a dilapidated garden with a half-dozen dried out plants. The din of traffic from a nearby freeway was occasionally drowned out by jumbo jets departing San Francisco International Airport.
Hehehe, can you imagine a bunch of Chinese immigrants sitting at home, reading the paper, and shreiking "DILPADATED!!! THEY SAID OUR GARDEN IS DILAPADATED!!!!"
(Note: nothing against the Chinese. There's plenty of cultures, like my father's Italian heritage, where insulting the family garden is the equivalent of challenging the family to a duel, and will be responded to as such).
But come on.. these people live in a blue-collar neighborhood at the end of the runway of SFO, and they've managed to donate $45,000 to Hillary's campaign funds? And they barely voted and had never contributed prior to the 2004 election? :inquisitive:
I'm sure the IRS would be interested to see how they managed to donate that money, and if they should have reported some deposits they received...
The sad thing is, I would be very surprised if several candidates on both sides did not get donations like this.
They named one of their kids Winkle. Winkle Paw. He must have beaten up in school as a child.
I'm telling you, if it comes down to Hillary versus Rudy, I will burn myself in effigy.
Goofball
08-28-2007, 22:21
But come on.. these people live in a blue-collar neighborhood at the end of the runway of SFO, and they've managed to donate $45,000 to Hillary's campaign funds? And they barely voted and had never contributed prior to the 2004 election? :inquisitive:
From the article:
It isn't obvious how the Paw family is able to afford such political largess. Records show they own a gift shop and live in a 1,280-square-foot house that they recently refinanced for $270,000. William Paw, the 64-year-old head of the household, is a mail carrier with the U.S. Postal Service who earns about $49,000 a year, according to a union representative. Alice Paw, also 64, is a homemaker. The couple's grown children have jobs ranging from account manager at a software company to "attendance liaison" at a local public high school. One is listed on campaign records as an executive at a mutual fund.
Not exactly low paying jobs, now are they? Combined with what I see in my professional life (I deal with many asian business owners), that asians as a rule tend to be able to save way more money than their white counterparts given the same level of income, and also tend to spend much more of their money on philanthropic/political causes than us whities, this doesn't seem to be such a smoking gun to me.
Granted, it's a bit of an anomaly, but I am inclined to agree with this:
Lawrence Barcella, a Washington attorney representing Mr. Hsu, said in a separate email: "You are barking up the wrong tree. There is no factual support for this story and if Mr. Hsu's name was Smith or Jones, I don't believe it would be a story."
Don Corleone
08-28-2007, 22:28
From the article:
Not exactly low paying jobs, now are they? Combined with what I see in my professional life (I deal with many asian business owners), that asians as a rule tend to be able to save way more money than their white counterparts given the same level of income, and also tend to spend much more of their money on philanthropic/political causes than us whities, this doesn't seem to be such a smoking gun to me.
Granted, it's a bit of an anomaly, but I am inclined to agree with this:
Interesting perspective, there Goofy. Would you mind explaining why Mr. Hsu was listing their address as his own? Or why the Paw family wasn't even voting regularly until 2004, and they started donating the 3rd largest amount to Hillary's campaigns? If they were that serious about political activism, wouldn't they have been more active prior to then? Seems like a very large, very sudden step to make. Anyway, I'm sure the IRS will give it the sniff test, and you're right, it could just appear like wrongdoing...
Marshal Murat
08-28-2007, 23:15
Mr. Hsu's name was Smith or Jones, I don't believe it would be a story."
I think that would have made it worse. Such an casual and widely-used name would probably have drawn more attention than Mr. Hsu.
I also ask why would someone living in that house would suddenly start supporting a Senator in a state...across the country.
Fishy.
The Paw family is just one set of donors whose political donations are similar to Mr. Hsu's. Several business associates of Mr. Hsu in New York have made donations to the same candidates, on the same dates for similar amounts as Mr. Hsu.
Same day contributions? Same amount contributions? To the same candidates?
Very unusual to say the least.
I am glad that there is an ongoing investigation.
Interesting perspective, there Goofy. Would you mind explaining why Mr. Hsu was listing their address as his own? Or why the Paw family wasn't even voting regularly until 2004, and they started donating the 3rd largest amount to Hillary's campaigns? If they were that serious about political activism, wouldn't they have been more active prior to then? Seems like a very large, very sudden step to make. Anyway, I'm sure the IRS will give it the sniff test, and you're right, it could just appear like wrongdoing...
Yeah, it might be worth a look- just to make sure.:wink:
I do remember some buzz before about Clinton links to money from China. :shrug:
Goofball
08-28-2007, 23:53
Interesting perspective, there Goofy. Would you mind explaining why Mr. Hsu was listing their address as his own? Or why the Paw family wasn't even voting regularly until 2004, and they started donating the 3rd largest amount to Hillary's campaigns? If they were that serious about political activism, wouldn't they have been more active prior to then? Seems like a very large, very sudden step to make. Anyway, I'm sure the IRS will give it the sniff test, and you're right, it could just appear like wrongdoing...
And that's really the only point I was trying to make Don. I'm not a Hillary supporter, so I'm not going to spend a lot of time defending this one. I'm simply saying that this isn't quite as stinky as it is made out to be.
Quite frankly (and I'll just bring this one in to make some conservative blood boil:beam: ), I think Michael Moore makes a much stronger case that the White House has been actually run by Riyadh for the past 7 years than anybody has so far made that the Clinton family are secret Chinese agents. Yet the same people who dismissed out of hand all of the Bush/Saud sillyness seem more than willing to swallow hook line and sinker the Clinton/Beijing nonsense. Both theories are backed up by not much more than inuendo and hearsay, but one is accepted and the other isn't.
Odd, that...
Proletariat
08-28-2007, 23:55
So the AzN super savers are so savvy with their earnings, they're gonna dump basically a lifetime's savings into campaign donations in their new country's presidential race. The idea of someone being so careful with their cash that they can afford to blow 200,000 on a Senator, who isn't even from their new state, doesn't add up to me. Maybe they're just zealous partisans, but I'd look in the Lincoln Bedroom for hair samples from the Paws or Mr Hsu in the bedding before I'd assume that.
The idea that this hard working family that owns a small, private business, that presumably worked hard to give their children the opportunities they have in their current careers, would give all this cash to the party that tells minorities they'll never make it without their social programs is absurd to me. Guess time will tell on this one.
Goofball
08-29-2007, 00:20
So the AzN super savers are so savvy with their earnings, they're gonna dump basically a lifetime's savings into campaign donations in their new country's presidential race. The idea of someone being so careful with their cash that they can afford to blow 200,000 on a Senator, who isn't even from their new state, doesn't add up to me. Maybe they're just zealous partisans, but I'd look in the Lincoln Bedroom for hair samples from the Paws or Mr Hsu in the bedding before I'd assume that.
The idea that this hard working family that owns a small, private business, that presumably worked hard to give their children the opportunities they have in their current careers, would give all this cash to the party that tells minorities they'll never make it without their social programs is absurd to me. Guess time will tell on this one.
Again, it appears that people really aren't reading the article that carefully. One of the kids is an executive at a mutual fund. That probably carries a salary of anywhere between $200,000 and $2,000,000 a year, depending on what he actually does. For all you know, this could be a drop in the bucket of compared to this family's overall financial situation. But like I said, I don't really care that much. You can hate Hillary all you want, it really makes no difference to me.
Actually, I wish Americans would hate her even more. That way, when she's running against my guy Rudy next year, he'll be a shoe-in because everybody is so afraid of Bill's ex-wife.
Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha....
:2thumbsup:
Proletariat
08-29-2007, 00:32
Eh, I kinda went off the deep end there, sorry if I came off a little crazed, Goof. I don't get all the Rudy hatred either, but I'm actually going to vote for Hillary if I get a chance. We need terrible presidents in this country so maybe we can galvanise our congress against them. Trying to find a decent candidate, no matter which platform you support, is obviously just a joke and a lost cause in this country for now. So, I say the worse the better!
I've got a candidate you'll love, Prole:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/vote_cthulhu.jpg
Geoffrey S
08-29-2007, 11:19
Bit Green, isn't he?
Hmmm all of this sounds completily genuine and not like fraud at all. Already checked wether or not they actually exist?
Eh, I kinda went off the deep end there, sorry if I came off a little crazed, Goof. I don't get all the Rudy hatred either, but I'm actually going to vote for Hillary if I get a chance. We need a terrible presidents in this country so maybe we can galvanise our congress against them. Trying to find a decent candidate, no matter which platform you support, is obviously just a joke and a lost cause in this country for now. So, I say the worse the better!
I am begining to think your right.
Is Nader running again this year?
Eh, I kinda went off the deep end there, sorry if I came off a little crazed, Goof. I don't get all the Rudy hatred either, but I'm actually going to vote for Hillary if I get a chance. We need a terrible presidents in this country so maybe we can galvanise our congress against them. Trying to find a decent candidate, no matter which platform you support, is obviously just a joke and a lost cause in this country for now. So, I say the worse the better!
Just admit it, you vote for her because she's a girl.:whip:
But it fits well with our Angela I hope, so this could be a good step, I just wish France had done it as well, we need more girlpower. ~;)
Bit Green, isn't he?
That's the envy, he has not many supporters and isn't listed anywhere, but it fits right into the list of his pros, he doesn't hide his real feelings and intentions.
Concerning the chinese family, I think Goofball has a point, they might just have started to care about politics for reasons we don't know and since they might just have saved some money, they wanted to donate big style. If they had some sort of evil intentions(and I don't really get what you're all aiming at, sounds like you suspect mafia or the Clintons are supposedly paid by China to ruin the US), I would expect them to be able to do it so that not everybody suspects them right away.
Seamus Fermanagh
08-29-2007, 15:13
Eh, I kinda went off the deep end there, sorry if I came off a little crazed, Goof. I don't get all the Rudy hatred either, but I'm actually going to vote for Hillary if I get a chance. We need terrible presidents in this country so maybe we can galvanise our congress against them. Trying to find a decent candidate, no matter which platform you support, is obviously just a joke and a lost cause in this country for now. So, I say the worse the better!
Maybe it's time to make Zaknafien happy -- and vote for Ron Paul.
Say what you want about his sanity or his policy ideas, he really would spend most of his term (at least until the impeachment) dismantling the federal government in large chunks.
Thus, we fulfill Prole's suggestion of a terrible President while also getting a President who's actively trying to take apart the bloated acretia that is the executive branch. Chaos prime.
What we probably have though is Rudy v. Hil' and a guaranteed New York presidency. Right now, I'd call it 60-40 Hil's favor, since she's an experienced national campaigner and quite willing to go for the opponent's electoral jugular. There will probably be 3rd party types who siphon off significant votes as in 2K. The campaign between these two, abetted by the third party haranguers, will make sure that the negatives are so high that both major candidates are loathed by a majority of the population even before they take office.
Then the winner will have about 90 days of hoopla -- through the innaug -- before we get down to the serious business of ignoring governance in favor of positioning for the 2010 elections.
HoreTore
08-29-2007, 15:21
Or why the Paw family wasn't even voting regularly until 2004, and they started donating the 3rd largest amount to Hillary's campaigns? If they were that serious about political activism, wouldn't they have been more active prior to then? Seems like a very large, very sudden step to make.
Why is that so weird? What happened prior to 2004? Let's see... 9/11, 2 invasions, bush being an idiot... I'd say that should be enough for anyone to get off their bum. People who might not have cared about politics when "nothing was happening", but when you get 2 invasions on your hands, you're likely to want your opinion heard...
They might also have had a family member/close friend who have been killed in Iraq/Afghanistan...
Why is that so weird? What happened prior to 2004? Let's see... 9/11, 2 invasions, bush being an idiot... I'd say that should be enough for anyone to get off their bum. People who might not have cared about politics when "nothing was happening", but when you get 2 invasions on your hands, you're likely to want your opinion heard...
They might also have had a family member/close friend who have been killed in Iraq/Afghanistan...
Or, which seems much more likely, they don't exist. Chinese (unnoticed) immigrants that have that kind of money, ever heard of the triades? They would have been shaken down from day one.
Now who would have that kind of money?
http://webzoom.freewebs.com/gladr/chinese-dragon-mosaic.jpg
How about a yellow dragon?
If you find that unlikely, don't forget that a lot of the money for the republican campaign came straight out of europe.
That's a very nice dragon you have there, but how do they earn money? I always wondered how such a dragon treasure comes into existance. :inquisitive:
Concerning money from europe, maybe whenI'm rich I'll participate in that as well, you know, just for fun. If I could seriously influence who becomes the next President of the US, that would be quite funky. :2thumbsup:
That's a very nice dragon you have there, but how do they earn money? I always wondered how such a dragon treasure comes into existance. :inquisitive:
Thanks, these virgins sacrifices finally payed of.
'Trial of fire, from egg to fury in 10 simple steps' gives a solid explanation, also available on DVD if the hadgelings burned your book. (they be naughty)
Higly recommended, also for the layman.
Of course I mean China.
So basically China is afraid of the US and wants Hilary because they expect her to increase trade with China and thus bind the US and China closer together? A real dragon would just burn down villages in the US, but these days not even dragons behave like dragons anymore.:no:
(Not that I want the US to be burnt down, don't dare crying anti-americanism :whip: )
Does make some sense if they expect her to have less of a backbone militarily, but they might be surprised, Angie seems quite determined when it comes to sending troops to foreign countries.:2thumbsup:
HoreTore
08-29-2007, 18:15
Why should they care about the US military? I mean, they have DRAGONS!!
Marshal Murat
08-30-2007, 00:25
Dirt Money Man Runs (http://www.nypost.com/seven/03042007/news/nationalnews/pro_clinton_dirty_cash_man_flees_nationalnews_christine_field.htm)
Well, it seems we have an unusual link here ladies and gents.
An ice-cream salesman (low-salary job) funneled illegal funds into a campaign chest. Odd that he was able to give so much money with such a low salary. Then they found out he slipped through by using fake fundraisers and reimbursements to get over the $2,000 limit on contributions.
While there is no direct link, it seems that even minimum-wage or lower wage workers are able to contribute lots of money to political campaigns, avoiding barriers on contributions...
cough:china: cough
KukriKhan
08-30-2007, 12:22
Looks like Dem recipients of Hsu's (and by extension Paw's) donations are scrambling (http://www.mercurynews.com/politics/ci_6757484) to get the tainted cash out of their campaign chests.
What a curious story. I'd have ignored it, but for the Poli's reactions. It therefore bears more watching.
It's a wide-open election, so I'm not surprised scumbags are trying to get their dippers in the gravy train, and I'm equally unsurprised that the wanna-be Presidents are ready to play ball.
Dig the latest (http://baltimore.bizjournals.com/baltimore/stories/2007/08/06/daily25.html?jst=pn_pn_lk) on Mitt Romney's election finance chairman (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2007/08/11/indicted_romney_finance_cochair_resigns.html):
A federal grand jury indicted local consultant Alan B. Fabian Thursday on allegations of a $32 million fraud and money laundering scheme.
Fabian also faces charges of bankruptcy fraud, perjury and obstruction of justice because he allegedly lied in bankruptcy proceedings involving companies he controlled.
The indictment alleges that Fabian used nearly $4 million of the money to set up a nonprofit firm in Baltimore called the Centre for Management and Technology; used another $500,000 to buy real estate in North Carolina; and used $600,000 to pay for private jet travel for himself, his family and his pets.
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