Final Parts Check [Archive]

Evil_Maniac From Mars

08-30-2007, 20:04

Some of you might remember the thread I made a while ago about buying a new PC. I'm grateful to the knowledgeable Orgahs who helped me come up with this list. Since technology changes quickly these days, I'm wondering if this is a good list in terms of price and power, or if much has changed since I made this list. This is my final check before I buy the parts.

Thanks in advance, I'm grateful that there's a place like this where good advice is always around.

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.40GHz / 4MB Cache / 1066MHz FSB / Conroe / Dual-Core / Socket 775 / Processor with Fan (Retail)

Memory: Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB 2X1GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 CL 5-5-5-12 240PIN DIMM Dual Channel

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500GB SATA2 3GB/S 7200RPM 16MB Cache Ncq

Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS Superclocked / 640MB GDDR3 / SLI Ready / PCI Express / Dual DVI / HDTV

Sound: On motherboard

Monitor: Hanns·G HW-191DPB 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 5ms, 700:1, WXGA+ 1440x900, DVI·D, VGA(D-sub), Black

OS: XP Home SP2 w/ original disc

Cooling: Not sure so far, probably just a couple fans, maybe a cheap water cooling system.

Case/Tower: Apevia Black/Black X-Plorer ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Fan Controller, Front USB and Firewire Port

Keyboard/Mouse: Just something cheap but durable, not too picky.

Motherboard: Asus P5B Deluxe / WIFI-AP Atx LGA775 Conroe 965P DDR2 PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 3PCI 8 SATA2 Sound Motherboard

Power Supply: OCZ GameXStream 700W ATX12V 24PIN SLI Ready Active PFC ATX Power Supply 120MM Fan Black

DVD writer/CD drive: Suggestions?

Estimated final cost: 1300 Euro (give or take)

If there's any other major parts I need, I'd appreciate it if someone could mention that. Thanks again. ~:)

Lemur

08-30-2007, 20:37

Looks like an extremely nice system! I'd be very careful with water cooling, though.

Xiahou

08-30-2007, 20:48

You forgot the flux capacitor. :beam:

drone

08-30-2007, 21:29

Looks like an extremely nice system! I'd be very careful with water cooling, though.
The words cheap and water-cooling are a bad combination. Get a good setup, or not at all.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

08-30-2007, 23:06

The words cheap and water-cooling are a bad combination. Get a good setup, or not at all.

What sort of cooling system do you recommend? Fans, heatsink?

Blodrast

08-30-2007, 23:08

For DVD-stuff, Pioneer have always had a good name in my book. I've also had several LG's, but while they work fine for a while, at some point they just ... die. If this happens after 3-4 years, it's no big deal, since they're so cheap - but it's still frustrating.

Also, I'm a bit puzzled, I remember your old thread, but I don't remember why (if at all) you decided to go with the onboard sound ? I dunno about your specific motherboard, but, I'd reckon a sound card can easily do better... and they're relatively cheap, too.

drone

08-30-2007, 23:29

What sort of cooling system do you recommend? Fans, heatsink?
Well, you can go with water-cooling, if you don't mind the initial hassle and maintenance, just don't skimp on the system. A small failure could potentially ruin your entire system. Water works well though, especially if you are planning on overclocking, and the box will be quiet. It will cost significantly more, however. If you build a top system fairly regularly, you can reuse most of the cooling system on your top machine, and put fans/heatsinks back into your downgraded setups.

If you aren't comfortable with it, stick with fans/heatsinks. Water-cooling is still fringe, but the components are getting better.

Xiahou

08-31-2007, 00:28

If you aren't comfortable with it, stick with fans/heatsinks. Water-cooling is still fringe, but the components are getting better.
I'd say that, by and large, water cooling is for the geek factor as much as anything else. You average gaming PC will get by just fine with decent air cooling. If you're an overclocking fiend, water cooling might be worth looking into- but if you're going to spend so much money on a water cooling setup, why not just spend more money on better hardware and air cool it. :shrug:

*The obvious exception would be if you buy cutting edge hardware and still want to overclock it. If that's you, go nuts. :beam:

Evil_Maniac From Mars

08-31-2007, 00:35

I'm not a major overclocker, so I guess I'll stick with the fans and heatsinks.

Can anyone recommend a sound card?

This is what I've found for a DVD/CD burner/player:

Pioneer DVR-112DBK OEM DVD Burner - 18x DVD±R Burn, 16x DVD±R Read, 8x DVD+RW, 6x DVD-RW, 10x DVD±R DL, 40x32x CD-R/RW, Black, with Software

EDIT: Looking at fans right now, this is what I've come up with.

-Ultra 80mm Dual Ball Bearing Fan (5-Pack) (at only about 16-20 Euro, good reviews too. I have a fan controller on my case as well, which is great)

Blodrast

08-31-2007, 01:19

The dvd burner looks good; btw, it should be obvious that I don't have any stake in Pioneer, LG, or whatever other hw companies/vendors, that's just my (limited) experience.
Btw, I've noticed in several cases that some vendors charge you more for _black_ components, like dvd/cd drives. Presumably it is because they look cooler, but I've always refused to pay the 3-5$ extra, as a matter of principle. If you have such principles as well, you might wanna see if that's the case with your chosen vendor (obviously, when you're paying 1.3k, 2-3$/euros have zero significance financially speaking).

Unfortunately, I'm way out of touch with the soundcard market out there - sorry.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

08-31-2007, 01:59

AFAIK the black one is the only one this site stocks. There is a beige one, but it seems to be slightly different in terms other than colour. Anyways, I don't mind paying a couple Euro more, if I want to cut costs I'd rather do that in chunks of at least 20 Euro. It's just the way I am.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

08-31-2007, 02:40

Considering upgrading current processor to Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 Processor - 2.66GHz, 4MB Cache, 1333MHz FSB, Conroe, Dual-Core, Retail, Socket 775, BX80557E6750, Processor with Fan. It'll cost me about 30-40 Euro more.

Lemur

08-31-2007, 02:58

Can anyone recommend a sound card?
I use this one (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102003), and it works real good. For gaming, there's really no alternative to Creative.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

08-31-2007, 03:12

I was looking at that, but someone told me to either go with motherboard sound or to buy a more expensive sound card. I guess I'll have to look into that a bit more, I've had mixed reviews with it.

Lemur

08-31-2007, 03:17

Oops, I sent you a link to the wrong card. This is the one I use (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102007). Bad lemur!

Evil_Maniac From Mars

08-31-2007, 03:24

Thanks, I was wondering about that. :dizzy2:

Xiahou

08-31-2007, 05:31

I use an X-Fi: Extreme Music (http://soundblaster.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=208&product=14066) card. (Extreme Music only because it was the cheapest of the X-Fi flavors) It doesn't seem to be widely available anymore, but it was basically the same as the Fatal1ty with less memory- which most games don't use anyhow, iirc.

The few games that I did play that fully supported it sounded pretty sweet.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

09-01-2007, 14:02

Alright, I've got a question about the sound cards. Should I go with the Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Extreme Audio or the Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer PCI Sound Card? The latter is about half the price of the former. Also, should I upgrade to the processor I mentioned in Post #12, or is it not worth it?

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.40GHz / 4MB Cache / 1066MHz FSB / Conroe / Dual-Core / Socket 775 / Processor with Fan (Retail)

Memory: Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB 2X1GB PC2-6400 DDR2-800 CL 5-5-5-12 240PIN DIMM Dual Channel

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 500GB SATA2 3GB/S 7200RPM 16MB Cache Ncq

Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS Superclocked / 640MB GDDR3 / SLI Ready / PCI Express / Dual DVI / HDTV

Sound: On motherboard, or one of the two choices.

Monitor: Hanns·G HW-191DPB 19" Widescreen LCD Monitor - 5ms, 700:1, WXGA+ 1440x900, DVI·D, VGA(D-sub), Black

OS: XP Home SP2 w/ original disc

Cooling: Ultra 80mm Dual Ball Bearing Fan (5-Pack)

Case/Tower: Apevia Black/Black X-Plorer ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, Fan Controller, Front USB and Firewire Port

Keyboard/Mouse: Just something cheap but durable, not too picky. Can use the ones on my old computer, they work fine, and I'm used to them.

Motherboard: Asus P5B Deluxe / WIFI-AP Atx LGA775 Conroe 965P DDR2 PCI-E16 3PCI-E1 3PCI 8 SATA2 Sound Motherboard

Power Supply: OCZ GameXStream 700W ATX12V 24PIN SLI Ready Active PFC ATX Power Supply 120MM Fan Black

DVD writer/CD drive: Pioneer DVR-112DBK OEM DVD Burner - 18x DVD±R Burn, 16x DVD±R Read, 8x DVD+RW, 6x DVD-RW, 10x DVD±R DL, 40x32x CD-R/RW, Black, with Software

Lemur

09-01-2007, 15:25

Evil_Maniac From Mars

09-01-2007, 15:28

Thanks Lemur, I'll stick with the first CPU then. :2thumbsup:

I think I'll add a soundcard later on, when I have the money. Is it hard to add a soundcard after I've built the rest of the computer?

By the way, costs total to 1157.11 Euro, excluding shipping and extra building costs, which is within my price range at the moment.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

09-01-2007, 15:43

Out of curiosity, what is a realistic time for a person who builds computers for a living to put this together? I called a local business that says they can do it in an hour and a half. Is this unrealistic?

Lemur

09-01-2007, 16:02

That's pretty realistic for an experienced builder. The most time-consuming part, in my experience, is patching Windows, and that takes a long time, even starting with Service Pack 2. My brother is a bit more tech-savvy than I am, so he created a slipstreamed version (http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp) of his Windows install disc, so that he can re-install and need almost no patching.

But for the physical assembly? Hour and a half sounds reasonable.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

09-01-2007, 17:16

I got another shop offering me everything including Windows XP install in 2/2.5 hours, so I guess that's not far off. My average price is about 30-35 Euro per hour to put everything together.

I would do this myself, but I'd rather practice with a bare bones kit first, so this computer I'll just get someone else to build.

Is it hard to add a soundcard after I've built the rest of the computer?

Lemur

09-02-2007, 04:18

The first build is nerve-wracking and exhilarating and frustrating and, eventually, triumphant. But it's not the best for a machine you want to have up and running smoothly soon.

Evil_Maniac From Mars

09-02-2007, 15:05

Which is better - Windows Professional or Windows Home (XP)? I have Windows Home, and I'm used to it, but are there any great advantages Professional offers? I'm not getting Vista yet, not by a long shot.

I'm ordering within the next few days, thanks so much to everyone who's helped me. ~:)

Evil_Maniac From Mars

09-02-2007, 16:42

This is the last, final check: Are all these parts compatible?

Lemur

09-02-2007, 17:33

Which is better - Windows Professional or Windows Home (XP)?
Windows XP Pro is the only way to o, a I understand it. Xiahou, Husar or Whacker can correct me on this, but I believe Windows XP Home is crippled in ways you start to notice over time. Quite a lot of security features are stripped out of Home, and I think it doesn't utilize multiple cores on the CPU.

I could be getting the specifics wrong, and I could look it all up, but why bother when there are uber-geeks on the board who can correct my lazy assertions?

drone

09-02-2007, 18:13

I always run XP Pro. If you have any kind of home network, Pro just works better.

From Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP)

Windows XP Professional offers a number of features unavailable in the Home Edition, including:

* The ability to become part of a Windows Server domain, a group of computers that are remotely managed by one or more central servers.
* A sophisticated access control scheme that allows specific permissions on files to be granted to specific users under normal circumstances. However, users can use tools other than Windows Explorer (like cacls or File Manager), or restart to Safe Mode to modify access control lists.
* Remote Desktop server, which allows a PC be operated by another Windows XP user over a local area network or the Internet.
* Offline Files and Folders, which allow the PC to automatically store a copy of files from another networked computer and work with them while disconnected from the network.
* Encrypting File System, which encrypts files stored on the computer's hard drive so they cannot be read by another user, even with physical access to the storage medium.
* Centralized administration features, including Group Policies, Automatic Software Installation and Maintenance, Roaming User Profiles, and Remote Installation Service (RIS).
* Internet Information Services (IIS), Microsoft's HTTP and FTP Server.
* Support for two physical central processing units (CPU). The number of CPU cores and Hyper-threading capabilities on modern CPUs are considered to be part of a single physical processor, therefore multicore CPUs will work fine under XP Home Edition.

Sigurd

09-03-2007, 11:53

I guess I could answer this one as I have done it before (all though it has been a while).

Is it hard to add a soundcard after I've built the rest of the computer?

It is not hard at all.

Insert the card in an empty PCI slot, attach the cables that's in the sound card package. (I remember two cables where at least one is attached to the DVD player).
Disable the onboard soundcard (I remember jumpers on the motherboard) by following the instructions in the motherboard manual.
Install sound device drivers.

That should be all (if I remember it correctly).

drone

09-04-2007, 16:37

Insert the card in an empty PCI slot, attach the cables that's in the sound card package. (I remember two cables where at least one is attached to the DVD player).
Disable the onboard soundcard (I remember jumpers on the motherboard) by following the instructions in the motherboard manual.
Install sound device drivers.

That should be all (if I remember it correctly).
You can usually disable the motherboard sound from the BIOS these days.

One thing to check when doing this: verify that the IRQs aren't shared after changing your setup. I put in a sound card once, disabled the onboard sound, and ended up with the sound card sharing the networking IRQ. Vista has nothing on that! ~D

Sigurd

09-05-2007, 10:42

You can usually disable the motherboard sound from the BIOS these days.

One thing to check when doing this: verify that the IRQs aren't shared after changing your setup. I put in a sound card once, disabled the onboard sound, and ended up with the sound card sharing the networking IRQ. Vista has nothing on that! ~D

Yes I remember this too... I think information about this can be found in the Mobo manual as well.
E.g. slot one and three share IRQ.

It has been a while since I built a machine and I guess it is about time to get a serious upgrade myself.
Husar and Bijo has introduced me to the game World in Conflict... All though I am not supposed to game I am just too tempted to let this one go. I have no hardware that will do this game justice though, but can't justify upgrading just for a game.
I haven't done a desktop since 2002. I am all laptop these days and the 2002 machine still runs ok though somewhat slow due to accumulated applications and whatnot. I just need another excuse for spending about 1500 EUR on a new machine.

Bijo

09-05-2007, 21:13

Yes I remember this too... I think information about this can be found in the Mobo manual as well.
E.g. slot one and three share IRQ.

It has been a while since I built a machine and I guess it is about time to get a serious upgrade myself.
Husar and Bijo has introduced me to the game World in Conflict... All though I am not supposed to game I am just too tempted to let this one go. I have no hardware that will do this game justice though, but can't justify upgrading just for a game.
I haven't done a desktop since 2002. I am all laptop these days and the 2002 machine still runs ok though somewhat slow due to accumulated applications and whatnot. I just need another excuse for spending about 1500 EUR on a new machine.
WiC is a good excuse. I don't remember however that I introduced this game to you.