Heirs...

[JRock]

I have three heirs right now, aged 46, 41, and 38.

Thing is I'm Almohad so no princesses wanted to marry my sons earlier in the game and I don't get any princesses of my own.

Is there anything I can do??

[Xiahou]

Supposedly, you can drop your emissaries onto other faction's princesses to propose a marriage. As for the advanced age of your hiers... well you can always have the eldest 2 assassinated :P

[1dread1lahll]

They will marry a nobelwoman in your court.......you will get a message telling you "your king has decided......."

[TenkiSoratoti]

this is making me want MTW more and more.

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"The good fighters of the old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an oppurtunity to defeat the enemy."

[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

Yeah to propose a marriage you have to drop your emissary onto princesses to propose marriages.

I get the feeling its quite hard to marry a your heirs to a princess of a different culture. Or to marry your daughter to an heir of another culture. But that was just a hunch so dont quote me on it.

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No Fear Legend.

[JRock]

I guess I didn't make it clear enough in my initial post that all attempts to marry were rejected by the princesses. I know how to propose, they just don't like my camels or something. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

[andrewt]

I'm English and even all Catholic factions are rejecting me. It's annoying how once you get a certain prominence, all your marriages have to be incest. The problem though is that my king is having a string of boys and I have no princess to commit incest with.

I hope CA adds something in a patch like make it easier or at the least have a chance that your prince will already be married by the time he matures. As it stands now, once you conquer 25%-33% of the map, you have to conquer the rest pretty quickly as all your proposals will be rejected and you could get a string of bad luck with no princesses born to your family.

[DarknScaly]

You marry your princesses to you own heirs?

Eeep!

Dont do that m8 - just keep an eye on your heirs ages and make sure you "lose" your king in battle when it suits you...causes far less problems and no negative incest vices.

There are rpbolems getting enough princesses to marry your heirs though - i think the AI prefers too much to use them as "harder to kill spies".

Having said that: remember that if youa re requesting a marriage you are requesting it for the "oldest" heir that you have, every time.

Check out his V&Vs to make sure there isnt something "dubious" about him - often this is why the AI doesnt want to let its princesses near him. If so, get rid of him and then you get to marry off the next one (hopefully with less dubious vices)

You really need to "weed and prune" your own heirs if you want to get good political marriages...nobody wants to marry an incestuous, unhinged cowardly loon..even if he is next in line to the throne.

Could be your problem old bean?

[andrewt]

Actually, I've had a string of younger heirs marrying before their older ones. I'm also pretty sure that not all heirs have crappy vices. I only did incest once.

edit: My oldest heir only has secret avarice as his vice. He has a captivating nature, is a fine leader and both a steward and builder. Maybe he is such a nerd no woman wants him.

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[DarknScaly]

Aye - its only a "contributing factor" at best.

That's one of the problems "truely" finding bugs in MTW - there's so many "contributing factors" many of whicha re subtly hidden, that its often hard to determine if there is a problem or one is doing something wrong.

Believe me - i had nightmares for a long time, especially without a tech tree or manual.

Still unsure of a lot of things and was hoping the manual would clear them up - doesnt look like it - anybody seen the strat guide yet?

[Kraellin]

i havent had to resort to incest once. the trick is to be less choosy about whom you marry ;) that sounds like a joke, but you CAN choose to marry the near spinsters off to a lesser figure. i've married several off to emissaries themselves to save them from spinsterhood. i would think the same holds true for your princes, but not certain.

there might also be a thing going on about 'line of succession'. someone more near to becoming king might be more easy to get married off. religion also plays a part and allies as well. it's harder to make a marraige to an ally, i think. and it's easier to marry someone off to someone who NEEDS an ally. think like a king. the dev guys did :)

K.


K.

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[andrewt]

I'm having my emissaries propose to every princess I can find in the entire map and I have somebody in every province. I usually get 3-5 rejections per turn.

I've heard that in real life women play hard to get if they think a guy is trying too hard. They also start flirting when the guy has a tough guy attitude. It seems unlikely to women back then though since they are different than women nowadays. Maybe CA has some woman programmer who programmed them to act like real woman i.e. cannot be understood by men.

[andrewt]

My king died and an unmarried heir ascended the throne. The king decided to marry a local aristocrat and gave birth to a son the same turn. The son was age 1 so he was born early on the year. Jumped the gun, oh yeah.

[JRock]

hehehehehe that's hilarious. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Warmaker]

Yeah, I've been getting that too recently for my last generation or so of Byzantine rulers. My problem is a trait passing along from the previous emperors... a high dread rating. I have a nasty habit of killing prisoners, even if I win the battle. I don't relish the thought of the enemy getting back troops who otherwise should not have been worrying my emperor.

Should I be a kinder, gentler Empire?

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[Xiahou]

My new emperor has a dread rating of 9, along with a secret violent temper, and bloodlust(he has a command of 9 and several good virtues too but....). Aparently, he knew no princess would go near him because as soon as he came to the throne he married a local.

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[Lord Aeon]

I love the age thing. Only problem is that while princes and kings get old and die, some guys remain. I've got a guy that's been King of Jerusalem for about 120 years.

Actually, i take that back; generals do age, because as they get older they pick up differet vices/virtues. But i've never seen one die of old age. All my generals die in combat, it seems.

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[Lord Aeon]

Really, what i'm vastly curious about is how one would go about manipulating acumen. I've not yet got a leader, heir, general, what have you that has an acumen over 6, and tha's including the use of titles. Yet i see CPU princes with acumn around 7 or 8.

Also, i must be doing something wrong, because i can't give titles to my princes. What's the deal?

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"You have offended my family, and you have offended a Shaolin temple."

[andrewt]

You can't give titles to princes while they are still in the line of succession. You get special hero random units from time to time and some have acumen that are around 6. I don't know how the CPU does the high acumen thing though.

[Ii Naomasa]

JRock, you've probably figured this out by now, but the Islamic forces don't need to worry about princesses and marriages. You apparently just take women from the finest stocks and have plenty of sons without having to deal with all these wandering veil-less princesses who are whoring themselves out. Why your emissaries can still pester them I'm not sure. I've occassionally tried from time to time and always get rejected. Maybe if you somehow developed a close enough relationship with one of the Christian factions, they'd actually accept.

As already mentioned, single Christian kings seem to automatically marry the first year after they take the throne (it tells you this, while Muslim kings and princes spawn younglings without any need to inform you of a marriage). The stickler, of course, would be if your king is single and 80 and doesn't have a lot of time to have an heir and have him mature. In my British campaign that happened to me. Fortunately, the king had a lot of brothers, so one of them took the heirless throne.

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