Scottish Units

[Swoosh So]

What scottish units are included in the game? and can you create scottish units once you capture scotland??


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[MJDore]

If u capture scotland u can build scottish units

Highlanders and another unit which goes something like "gallowglass" cant really remember http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif

[MJDore]

www.home.cfl.rr.com/alexflorin/Medieval/Medieval%20Building%20Construction%20Re qurements.htm (http://home.cfl.rr.com/alexflorin/Medieval/Medieval%20Building%20Construction%20Requrements.htm)
www.home.cfl.rr.com/alexflorin/Medieval/Medieval%20Unit%20Construction%20Requireme nts.htm (http://home.cfl.rr.com/alexflorin/Medieval/Medieval%20Unit%20Construction%20Requirements.htm)

ButcherPB posted this on .com

looks good .. list all the units

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[Swoosh So]

Thanks guys, are the units any good?

[Swoosh So]

Thanks guys, are the units any good?

[Sjakihata]

I do not know, as I haven't got the game yet...

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*bows* - Power to the Sultan!

Clan Seljuk

[Sjakihata]

I do not know, as I haven't got the game yet...

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*bows* - Power to the Sultan!

Clan Seljuk

[Swoosh So]

Lol is that a real place name (middelfart?) hehe

[Schultzy]

Quote is that a real place name[/QUOTE]

Certainly is. http://www.middelfartturist.dk/

Looks a very nice place too! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

As for Scottish units. Highlanders i think are the only chaps you can make in Scotland. Gallowglass are Irish iirc. (Don't have the game yet though, so could be wrong!)



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[LordTed]

hooowl swoosh

[Swoosh So]

hooooooowl ted

[Ii Naomasa]

I haven't used any gallowglasses yet (you can make them in Scotland or Ireland, although only Ireland gives you the valor boost for these...and they didn't impress me too much when I fought them), but in my recently started British campaign I have both fought and used highlanders.

Against my mounted knights, the clansmen took off running. My favorite part, though, was that they ran to the hilly edge of the map, then turned around and charged downhill towards my king's cavalry unit...a nice little ambush. It's a shame my spearmen got up there in time to help him out, as it would've been nice to have the English king die in a silly ambush like that.

In my employ against both the Moors who conquered Spain, I've had mixed results. The clansmen behave like tough peasants. They have a pretty nice attack for their value and their charge can be devastating, especially on a flank, but they don't have much in defense and, in the end, have peasant-like morale. Of course, the Muslim forces wreaked chaos on my disorderly forces, from my overly impetuous cavalry to my peasants who seemed to be frightened by the dark men and their camels.

Against the forces of Aragon, they fared better, although more professional and armored spearmen or halbardiers will be preferrable. Still, for their cost, you get a good deal if you're careful with them.

[macajor]

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[Lord Krazy]

Gallowglass were Scottish mercinaries
that fought in Ireland.Queen Maive used
them with good results cerca 15 century.

Lord Krazy.

[Vanya]

Quote Originally posted by Lord Krazy:
Gallowglass...[/QUOTE]

What exactly is a 'gallowglass'?!? It sounds like something made in Murano...

GAH!

[Kraellin]

i've only used the scottish units once, and that was in the historical battle of stirling. i had scotland. the highlanders were pretty good melee units. they fought hard on that bridge and didnt run, if supported till they were down to about 10 or 11 men. and whatever that scottish cav was, was pretty awesome. those 20 men held off about 600 british infantry and didnt suffer many losses till the brits brought in the spears.

i dont have the full breakdown on all of the units, but against the brits, in that one battle, i got 2 to 1 kills against the british units.

K.


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[Schultzy]

Quote What exactly is a 'gallowglass'?!? It sounds like something made in Murano...[/QUOTE]

I had no idea either, so I did a quick Google search and found this link.
Hope it's of some help. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
http://www.cisl.ie/mars/rory/gallowglass.htm



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"Jetzt ist der Winter unserer Rabattpreiszelten."

[Ii Naomasa]

That's a beautiful link, Schultzy. Descriptive, informative, yet succinct (something I shall never be...if I was as MTW general, I'd have verbal diarrhea as a vice... Verbal Diarrhea: This general can't ever say or write anything in less than three paragraphs. Can't even yell 'Charge!' without a soliloquy. -3 to command).

I almost feel like starting a thread in the history section describing the history behind certain units and using your link as a great example and first entry.

I've just had weird luck with the Islamic troops. As westerners, I find all my troops act shakey (even when listed as 'steady', they seem to jump to a more panicked form quickly) and as the Egyptians, my troops both fought with extreme discipline and seemed to make my opponents quake. So I don't blame my highlanders much, as the knights took off just as quickly (horses can be almost as quickly spooked as they could in STW, although their ability to push through a line and break away makes them more useful).

The poor Aragon soldiers surely didn't like the idea of these Scottish madmen charging at them, that's for sure. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

I have to try some of the historic battles, as they sound interesting. Oh well, I'll save them for my business trip to Tempe in two weeks, since my laptop for someone reason can't handle the campaign screens, but can handle the menus and battle screens fine.



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[Lord Krazy]

Quote Originally posted by Vanya:
What exactly is a 'gallowglass'?!? It sounds like something made in Murano...

GAH!

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Which bit didn't you understand?
Gahllowglass

Lord Krazy
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Barroca you have mail

[Lord Krazy]

Quote Originally posted by Schultzy:
I had no idea either, so I did a quick Google search and found this link.
Hope it's of some help. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
http://www.cisl.ie/mars/rory/gallowglass.htm
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You could have said Lord Krazy is right,
Shiro thinks so.

Lord Krazy
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no quote is a good quote


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[Schultzy]

Quote Originally posted by Ii Naomasa:
That's a beautiful link, Schultzy. Descriptive, informative, yet succinct (something I shall never be...if I was as MTW general, I'd have verbal diarrhea as a vice... Verbal Diarrhea: This general can't ever say or write anything in less than three paragraphs. Can't even yell 'Charge!' without a soliloquy. -3 to command).
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LOL http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
I know what you mean about the verbal diarrhoea vice, i tend to suffer from it a little (lot?) myself. As i'm sure this post will no doubt emphasis. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

As for the link, thank you for your comment. I could indeed, as has been so rightly pointed out above, simply have said that Lord Krazy was correct. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif
However, his answer fuelled my curiousity about the Gallowglass, as i'd never heard of them, aside from as a unit in the game and I decided to investigate further.
You are definitely right, that site does manage to convey a vast amount of useful information, without being over detailed and tiresome to read.
Which, of course, is the complete antithesis of this post of mine, which brings me back full circle to the verbal diarrhoea mentioned at the start. - A vice and virtue i agree was criminally overlooked by CA. LOL http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Thanks again, glad you found the link as useful as i did!
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif


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[Toda Nebuchadnezzar]

cool link. Never knew what they were until now.

Cheers guys.

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No Fear Legend.

[TheLordofWater]

higland clansman are exclusive scottish
excellent attack charge
poor defence morale

overall usefull just play stirling their beating foot knights

[TenkiSoratoti]

surely the scottish were just men in kilts, did they have loads of different types of units, hmm weird.

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"The good fighters of the old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an oppurtunity to defeat the enemy."

[andrewt]

Highland Clansmen
Cost: 100
Support: 3
Size: 60
March Speed:6
Run Speed:12
Charge Speed:13
Charge Bonus:6
Melee:5
Defense:-3
Armor:1
Honor:0

They are a weaker peasant version of the nodachi samurai in Shogun. Their support cost is the equal of peasants, which is the lowest in the game. 3 support means each unit uses 3/8 florin per turn. They and gallowglasses later on are good for garrison duty aare among the units with the lowest support in the game and are good for crashing in your opponents' flanks if you need extra units in an emergency battle.

[Lord Krazy]

Quote Originally posted by Schultzy:
LOL http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
I know what you mean about the verbal diarrhoea vice, i tend to suffer from it a little (lot?) myself. As i'm sure this post will no doubt emphasis. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

As for the link, thank you for your comment. I could indeed, as has been so rightly pointed out above, simply have said that Lord Krazy was correct. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/rolleyes.gif
However, his answer fuelled my curiousity about the Gallowglass, as i'd never heard of them, aside from as a unit in the game and I decided to investigate further.
You are definitely right, that site does manage to convey a vast amount of useful information, without being over detailed and tiresome to read.
Which, of course, is the complete antithesis of this post of mine, which brings me back full circle to the verbal diarrhoea mentioned at the start. - A vice and virtue i agree was criminally overlooked by CA. LOL http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Thanks again, glad you found the link as useful as i did!
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif


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O.K. It is a nice site but is it correct.
For example it said in the first few paragraphs that gallowglass was the Irish
for forigen soliders which is impossible
as thier is no W in the Irish language,
so it would hardly have been an Irish
word for anything .It is a Vicking Scottish
word as scottish had become more influenced,
by nordic languages.
If I am going to read something as
longwinded as this I would hope it was
factual in stead of a nice story.
Now I hope you get my point.
Slan leat
which is Gaelic for c ya

Lord Lourch O'Rodaigh
LK
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Is phear rith maith liom le na droch se shasibh.

I'd prefer to make a good run than a bad
stand

[Lord Krazy]

gahllowglass which is Irish for gah
LK




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[Emp. Conralius]

Can you train Crusader Knights without calling a crusade?

[andrewt]

No. They all have the same stats as chivalric knights and high royal knights though, so just build those if you want knights like them. I recommend chivalric as they are cheaper. Templar are weaker than the rest, having a charge of 4 instead of 8 but they are cheaper which probably plays a role in the number of troops you get.