View Full Version : Creative Assembly Newbies, cannons, and rain...
1dread1lahll
08-26-2002, 22:23
Someone correct me but I thought previews said gunpowder units would not work in the rain...lowlife newbies have allready taken to hosting mountain maps(unlimited ammo)(defending)and packing in Demi guns,....and they work in the rain...there is no map preview button like shogun so you go to the map blind...the range of the things is the length of the small maps too! All of this just part of the normal lowlifes we all came to love in STW (but it just pisses you off when they think they are good)! LOL.. wait till they discover they can lower the florins of the attacker!!! But someone start a discussion on rain and guns....
NagatsukaShumi
08-26-2002, 22:39
Cannons should work but VERY POOR in the rain, guns shouldn't even work at all in the rain, but I guess some (i.e. me) could make a MOD to make the cannon's very crap in the rain or not even work at all.
The readme has several corrections to the manual. Artillery firing in the rain with reduced effectiveness is one of them.
[This message has been edited by Puzz3D (edited 08-26-2002).]
ShadeHonestus
08-26-2002, 22:50
I understand your frustration, but as in previous Total Wars, most players find ways to turn these scandalous newb tactics into their own demise, although gunpowder weapons are part of the peril in the late period. That doesn't excuse them from working as normal in the rain however, but I've never witnessed this.
I haven't figured them all out yet but I've been trying to as I ran into this a couple times...
3 things that have worked for me:
1.) If they are on hilly ground, chances are there is more than just one hill. Move around ridges and often the cannon balls will end up hitting the rising ground.
2.) Get under the guns! There is a minimum range.
3.) Take some yourself...pepper his little hill with cannonballs. Nothing like arty duels http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif.
[This message has been edited by ShadeHonestus (edited 08-26-2002).]
TenkiSoratoti
08-26-2002, 23:55
im scared of the newbies, now on friday the first thing that i will do is get online then see what its like then play singleplayer and get to know everything.
But the newbies oh god help me the newbies are gonna be the menace that spoils the fun, there arragance etc when i first came to the stw community i was told to behave or else. These newbs must be contained at all costs, us brits and europeans veterans have got to catch up fast and teach the little b**gers alesson or 2 and also get much better than them.
god help us .
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"The good fighters of the old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an oppurtunity to defeat the enemy."
My advice: Stop worrying and whining so much about "newbies" - play the game with your friends and "oldbies" and whatnot and enjoy it. Ignore the rabble. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
1dread1lahll
08-27-2002, 01:06
hey jrock... you must be newbie.. you missed the topicof discussinon......cannons, and if they were to work in the rain....
Kraellin
08-27-2002, 01:57
lahill,
actually, there is a preview of the game you can see. run your cursor over any game listed and it gives you a fair amount of detail about the game. true, the map isnt shown to anyone but the host, but you can filter out a LOT of the newbie traps by cursoring over the game name and looking at the map name.
i think puzz3d is right about the rain thing and the readme file. and i think some of the muskets work in a limited way in rain also, but i wont swear to that one yet.
and, i've already seen one game listed where the host was trying to trick folks by giving his team 99,999 florins and the opposing team about 1000. lol. we knew it would happen, but you can also simply not join those games, because the info IS displayed before you join up. so, dont blame the game. we WANT this option left in to tailor certain games like castles and hill defense games.
as for guns working in the rain...i really dont care at this point. it's been argued to death, as far as i'm concerned, and normal muskets just arent that good in mtw anyways to make it a big deal. as for the artillery, they have big disadvantages when used for anti-personnel, and i dont think it will take good players long to figure out how to handle them, rain or not.
K.
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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.
TenkiSoratoti
08-27-2002, 03:07
*trembles*, how can you ignore blighters that swear and curse at each other the whole time, i actually like shoggy online cause it was a smallish community so we could all know each other easily.
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"The good fighters of the old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an oppurtunity to defeat the enemy."
GAH!
Is this true? Vanya's profecy has come home to roost?!?
Newbies camping on mountains with 10 cannon???
GAH!
What about guarding a river with 10 cannon? Has that happened yet? Or defending a gun fortress behind a river?
GAH!
Toda Nebuchadnezzar
08-27-2002, 03:41
Lahll just don't join the games. Soon the Euro's will have MTW and we will be showing those Yank Newbies how to play for real. So just wait for us ok. Well either that or host games yourself.
By the way how many people are we seeing online?
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Jaguara-Spoken like a TRUE SPAMMER Toda!
No Fear Legend.
Major Robert Dump
08-27-2002, 05:29
And what about the Euro Newbies?
TenkiSoratoti
08-27-2002, 07:10
well i know what the yank newbs are like, while iwas playing americas army in the lobby there was this really nice german guy who said, "sorry everyone um im german, can someone tell me what to do?"
then this newb yank shouted out "go away you fucking nazi get your own game why dont you or were you fuckers beaten too harshly in the war, fucking nazi"
ive posted this in numerous forums describing my utter digrace at this ignerant yank.
the brits and french etc got it worse than
america (although were grateful you intimidated the germans by entering the war, im not gonna say that america won it though) so we have more right to hate germany, but we dont really.
thats why im worried about yank newbies, it is not honourable and does not uphold for what we stand for here in the community.
although we have yet to see the euro newbs
GOD 'ELP US
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"The good fighters of the old first put themselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then waited for an oppurtunity to defeat the enemy."
TenkiSartori, perhaps you should salve your feelings of inferiority by doing something GOOD for YOU. I can guarantee you that your ignorant animosity towards Americans will be as fruitless as your "friend"'s ignorant animosity towards Germans.
The type of shiite you refer to bothers me as much as anyone.. it irks me much in the same way as when people find out I'm a 3rd generation German immigrant and they say "oh, I'm sorry.. don't worry, we know you're not a Nazi" (PFFFFFFFFF http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif)
But justifying a hatred of Americans based on the inane ramblings of one clueless adolescent is silly. It would be the same if I tried to classify all Brits as panty-wringers based on one whiney adolescent such as yourself.
Del
Nobunaga0611
08-27-2002, 07:55
Please no one turn this into a Holocaust discussion....
That having been said...everytime I've joined MP (just to be there, as I STILL can't play MP, and its making me sick http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/frown.gif ) I haven't seen this. But I confident that these type of players won't be around for a long time, and all of us players that just want to get on the server and have fun w/other TW players while killing people at the same time, will be the only ones around after a little while. And like others have said, it'll be possible to make diff. chat rooms, and not give out the pw to those who don't deserve to have it. So what if I'm getting slaughtered, and a vet is threatening to put my head on a stake....I know they only mean my army, and not me personally, because they're not dicks like that....
And not all of us 'Yanks' are like these newbies...but some of us Yanks MIGHT be if we don't get to play MP soon because of tech. problems...not really http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
Toda Nebuchadnezzar,
There has been a steady 35 to 38 people tonight from 1:30 AM GMT (8:30 US eastern) until 3:30 AM GMT (10:30 US eastern) in the MTW online foyer.
longjohn2
08-28-2002, 01:03
Artillery pieces can all fire in the rain, but hand guns can't.
Reason being that it would suck if you were depending on cannons to take down a castle wall, and it started raining. Also they have enough crew that someone could hold an umbrella.
Kraellin
08-28-2002, 01:09
lol longjohn2,
wouldnt that be a funny...a multi castle game lasting for 2 days while we waited for the rain to quit :)
K.
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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.
Funky Phantom
08-28-2002, 01:14
You have to be polite to the attackers, after all they have made the effort to walk all the way into your territory, so you should do the decent thing and wait for the rain to stop http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Quote Originally posted by Kraellin:
lol longjohn2,
wouldnt that be a funny...a multi castle game lasting for 2 days while we waited for the rain to quit http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
K.
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Not if it were Scotland... it never stops raining there... GAH!
Quote Originally posted by Tenkisoratoti:
well i know what the yank newbs are like, while iwas playing americas army in the lobby there was this really nice german guy who said, "sorry everyone um im german, can someone tell me what to do?"
then this newb yank shouted out "go away you fucking nazi get your own game why dont you or were you fuckers beaten too harshly in the war, fucking nazi"
ive posted this in numerous forums describing my utter digrace at this ignerant yank.
the brits and french etc got it worse than
america (although were grateful you intimidated the germans by entering the war, im not gonna say that america won it though) so we have more right to hate germany, but we dont really.
thats why im worried about yank newbies, it is not honourable and does not uphold for what we stand for here in the community.
although we have yet to see the euro newbs
GOD 'ELP US
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America did win the war on the western front. If not for the USA, normandy would have either never happened and/or failed. It was American bombers that suffered horrendous casualties during the daylight bombing of Germany while the Brits stuck with much safer nighttime bombing.
France folded very early on and were no help, and the BEF fled the continent at dunkirk. All this is moot, however, because the Russians could have beaten Germany 1 on 1 after the first winter.
Don't worry about newbie cheats- they always lose in the end, or i make it my job see that they do.
Funky Phantom
08-28-2002, 14:22
Quote Originally posted by Kalt:
America did win the war on the western front. If not for the USA, normandy would have either never happened and/or failed. It was American bombers that suffered horrendous casualties during the daylight bombing of Germany while the Brits stuck with much safer nighttime bombing.
France folded very early on and were no help, and the BEF fled the continent at dunkirk. All this is moot, however, because the Russians could have beaten Germany 1 on 1 after the first winter.[/QUOTE]
Please dont get into all this "who won the war" stuff, its off topic and pointless...
Papewaio
08-28-2002, 16:20
Bingo off to Off Topic.
PS If USA won the war against the Germans and Japanese by themselves WTF happened in Korea and Vietnam?
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