King of the Romans Out of Character thread XIII

[Cecil XIX]

Goodbye Xdeathfire, you'll be missed.

[AussieGiant]

That's a shame Xdeathfire. Good luck with everything and hope to see you around the boards.

[Tamur]

gibsonsg, thanks for the story! It's a relief to to get a glimpse into the army that's causing all the flap. Keep it up!

Generally, I'd like to encourage everyone to contribute to the stories thread. We get a taste of what character reactions are in the Diet and house discussions, but it's very nice to get an inside peek as well.

I would take the save currently, except that I forgot we are at 1.3 now. Downloading the patch which, barring an earthquake, tornado, or attack of the killer spinach, will be ready in 32 mins. If no one else has it, I'll take the save then.

[Tamur]

Taking the safe now.

[Tamur]

Battle fought, save is here:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1304-9.zip

Odds:

http://cicero.modwest.com/images/tw/kotr/prebattle-1304.jpg

Results:

http://cicero.modwest.com/images/tw/kotr/results-1304.jpg

Fritz attempted to ransom the prisoners but ransom was rejected. He has moved to within a short jog of Stettin, as per the Prinz' orders.

[OverKnight]

Is Lorenz Zirn knighted yet?

Oops, I forgot to mention that.

He fought well, leading the main force of cavalry that charged in from the right flank and caused a rout of the Poles outside Krakow. So he had a decisive part in the battle, I recommend he be knighted.

Edit: I have added GH's story to the history.

[AussieGiant]

Alright then, he's going to get his spurs.

[econ21]

Ignoramus, please can I have your battle stats to make this table up to date?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1685691&postcount=286

cheers. :bow:

[FactionHeir]

Sorry to see you go Xdeathfire.

As for Ituralde's story. Looks like half the empire is going to turn purple and Siegfried will be leaving Constantinople faster than Peter can catch up eh?

[econ21]

Sorry, I thought I had posted this, but then when I checked back, it did not appear:

Ituradle's story contains a pretty big plot spoiler. You know this OOC, but your character does not know it IC. Please hold fire - do not react IC or PM other players IC to plot until this is publicly revealed tonight in the report for 1304. Thanks. You will have a weekend to react before anything much else happens.

Ituralde should be checking back in early next week and we would like a session where Siegfried confronts the Diet in person before anything drastic happens.

EDIT: Just realised I had posted something like this in the Stories thread - I've deleted that.

[econ21]

All right, I am going to jump ahead a little in terms of the battles.

The report for 1304 will be posted tonight and that is when in character we will enter 1306.

However, there are a lot of "no-brainer" battles that will have to be fought in 1306, so I have pressed end turn and am going to set them up now. You have 24 hours to fight them. If you claim the save, you can keep it for only 2 hours - if you don't upload a new one within that time, another player may claim it and yours will not count.

A couple of end of turn events for 1304 do need to be born in mind - the Pope has warned us not to attack Hungary or Poland. I believe we can still sally and not be excommunicated. But if anyone gets us excommunicated by some further action, I will not accept that as Gamesmaster and their save will not count.

Here's the start of 1306 save:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/1306-1.zip


Duke Ansehelm (Stig):

You can catch the Russians who besieged Thorn. Some of your army has been retrained in Thorn - you can swap men between the Thorn garrison and your army at will. I would advise leaving some capable men in Thorn, just in case.


Duke Arnold (Overknight proxying for AussieGiant)

The Poles are besieging you. They want Krakow back. Show them the door.


Count Friedrich Scherer (XDeathfire) - please see PM


Count Hummel (Ignoramus)

SHA 1 is under siege in Paris. Count Scherer has been forced to try to relieve Caen with only militia. You must break the siege of Paris!


King Jan (Privateerkev)

Your army needs to head to Aleppo for a refit, but there are still some nearby Turkish armies. Before you return to Aleppo, I suggest you strike at least the nearest, so that Edessa can be free from threat in your absence.


I have taken no moves for 1306 and since the report for 1304 will be rather politically significant, this gives players a chance to PM me as Gamesmaster (or IC as Elberhard) any movement requests they have for forces under their control. No guarantee I will accede but I will consider all requests. Please make such requests within 24 hours of this post.

After the 24 hours are up, I will recall the save and make as many moves as I can. There may possibly be a second round of battles for 1306 on Saturday night although the Pope is constraining us there. The end of year report for 1306 will be up on Sunday night and we will await Ituralde's return on Monday.

[OverKnight]

I have the save

[AussieGiant]

Give em hell OK!!!

:2thumbsup:

[Stig]

Damned, I might not be able to fight the battle, since I have college from 14:00 till 17:00 and after that I'm gone till late Saturday.

Is it ok if I fight the battle Saturday evening (european time)

[econ21]

Is it ok if I fight the battle Saturday evening (european time)

That should be fine - I will reclaim the save after 24 hours, fiddle with it and put up a new one for you (and maybe some others) on Saturday evening.

[Stig]

I take it that by fiddling you mean:
destroying churches
having Peter attack Constantinople

[AussieGiant]

Actually I thought he was going to eject the DVD from his machine, rub it all over himself saying;

"Yeah Baby give it to me!!"

Then put it back in the PC and load up the save again.
:yes:

[Stig]

Well these DVD's do have nice holes to fiddle with


You're a bad man Econ, a very bad man

[OverKnight]

Ugh, back to business folks. . .please?

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1306-2.zip

https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb88/douglaslain/sallykrakdeploy.jpg
https://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb88/douglaslain/sallykrakvic.jpg

Not my best work, the Polish leader fled, but victory. I executed the prisoners. Survivors fled east.

I wasn't sure if econ21 wanted me to attack the mainly catapult army to the NW, so I left them alone.

[Stig]

Right taking the save no, hopefully I can still fight it before college starts

[TinCow]

Hmm.....

I guess its time to formally announce it, but I will be withdrawing from Kotr. Freiderich Scherer will be killed I believe in a big battle I hope and then I am done with Kotr since I am wayyyyyyy too busy to spend much time doing anything than various school stuff. Should Kotr lasts until sometime around Frebruary next year, I may rejoin Kotr.

Good luck in school! Even if KOTR isn't going, another game will be, so check back in when you've got time. Scherer will live on as long as KOTR does, since half of France is coated with his battle markers.

[Stig]

Fought and won:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1306-3.rar

Going to send you HA orders Econ

And damned, Ansehelm is loyal ... but he is also dreadfull. I like playing someone who's damned loyal, but preferably only to himself.

[econ21]

I forgot one battle:

Fredericus Erlach (Stuperman):

A band of brigands west of Milan have butchered poor Arnold Scherer and his escort as they slept at night. Duke Lothar has given you command of Household Army Gerhard. You must avenge the young Swabian.

What d'ya mean "Arnold who?"?!? I am sure his mother mourns him. Now go get 'em.

Next battling general, please use this save (where, alas, poor Arnold Scherer is no more):

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1306-4.zip

[FactionHeir]

Eh, what exactly did you do to him?

[econ21]

Eh, what exactly did you do to him?

He had an accident.

He was so bland - with no interesting traits or good stats - I figured your adoption of a second spare Swabian avatar made him surplus to requirements. Perhaps his removal will open up a marriage, a child or a more interesting avatar.

Unless they are too outstanding, I am inclined not to accept any more Swabian avatars for the moment. At least no more adoptions for Hans. Ideally, I'd like each House to have at least one spare. Does that sound reasonable?

Speaking of Swabians, has anyone seen Warluster around? He has a Household Army but I think he's been AWOL since before the Diet. I'm thinking about moving him into the inactive player list. But with Dietrich in exile, we don't have a replacement general.

Incidentally, I could move character the Papal fleet from the Sea of Gallilee, but not the Egyptian one. He had a three part name (Admiral al Aziz or some such) and the game did not recognise any permutation I tried.

[FactionHeir]

If he has a triple name as you posted, you'd type it as such: move_character "Admiral al_Aziz"

I'm in a battle in my SP campaign atm so can't check his exact name. If you post it I can post the exact code.

Don't know about Warluster, but when was his last activity?

[econ21]

If he has a triple name as you posted, you'd type it as such: move_character "Admiral al_Aziz"

Got it, thanks. His name was Admiral al Az'iz, so "Admiral al_Az_iz" works. :bow:


Don't know about Warluster, but when was his last activity?

Two days ago, surprisingly. I PMd him yesterday, so hopefully he will drop by when he next logs in.

[Privateerkev]

As for Ituralde's story. Looks like half the empire is going to turn purple and Siegfried will be leaving Constantinople faster than Peter can catch up eh?

I'm especially curious about this little part of the story:


King Jan would hate him for this.

I have a baaaaad feeling about this. If you guys have noticed, there is not a whole lot that would get the King to hate the Kaiser.

:inquisitive:

And I have the save :yes:

[FactionHeir]

Hmm you might lose a few Outremer counties too I guess, goes hand in hand with the going purple movement :laugh4:

[Privateerkev]

Hmm you might lose a few Outremer counties too I guess, goes hand in hand with the going purple movement :laugh4:

Seeing as all six Outremer counties are enshrined in the Charter of Outremer, that would be illegal. :yes:

Well, at least we can rest assured that the weekend won't be boring. :beam:

here is the savegame and I'll pm Econ with the results:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1306-5.zip

[FactionHeir]

Seeing as all six Outremer counties are enshrined in the Charter of Outremer, that would be illegal. :yes:


Only says that those make up Outremer, doesn't say they may not be given away. Besides, a few of those are Imperial territory :wink2:
Be afraid, be very afraid.

[Privateerkev]

Only says that those make up Outremer, doesn't say they may not be given away. Besides, a few of those are Imperial territory :wink2:
Be afraid, be very afraid.

Imperial territories that are not enshrined in a legally binding charter can be given away. Ducal territories and territories enshrined in a charter can not be given away... legally. So, for Edessa and Antioch to be given away legally, the Charter of Outremer needs to be amended first. Now they can certainly be given away illegally. Like I said, it should be a fun weekend. Especially if Ituralde comes back. :yes:

On second thought, the Kaiser could try to "interpret" the charter in a certain way. We'll see how that goes. ^_^

[FactionHeir]

So which part of the charter says that territories that were added to the HRE via CA cannot be given away legally? :grin:

[Privateerkev]

Well, the Charter says that Outremer is made up of 6 territories. So, I believe that you can not legally do anything to give those 6 up once we have them. Now, the Kaiser can try to "interpret" that differently. The 4 Ducal territories in Outremer would be even harder for him to give away legally since the Charter protects Ducal territory. Basically it says that once a territory is part of a house, it can't be taken away.

So, only Edessa and Antioch are at risk but I believe I can make an argument for why they can not legally be given away. Now, if the Kaiser wants to give away territories illegally, then I suspect we will have a very exciting and fun weekend.

Looking forward to it. :yes:

[FactionHeir]

It only says that Ducal territories cannot be taken back by the emperor (i.e. become Imperial again).
It does not state that the chancellor or emperor cannot gift territories away. I think this also happened before without too much outrage.

As for Outremer, its really no different than the other territories. If its given away, you may eventually be able to retake it and it automatically is part of Outremer / the house.

[Privateerkev]

Well, it will still be fun to sue the Kaiser. :yes:

Please stop trying to take away my litigating fun. :laugh4:

:clown:

[Stig]

results for Ansehelms battle:
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/the_Stig_/Forumite%20Battle%20Result/0164.jpg

I didn't feel like leaving any survivors, damned catapults


BTW, Ansehelm now has that "Feels Appriated" trait on +5, so you all should like him :whip:

[Tamur]

BTW, Ansehelm now has that "Feels Appriated" trait on +5, so you all should like him

:cheerleader: <-- the Franconian cheering section

[FactionHeir]

BTW, Ansehelm now has that "Feels Appriated" trait on +5, so you all should like him :whip:

If that were true, Hans would be Emperor right now :saint:

[Privateerkev]

BTW, Ansehelm now has that "Feels Appriated" trait on +5, so you all should like him.

That trait just means Ansehelm thinks people appreciate him. Just like Jan has "feels respected". That doesn't mean that Ansehelm and Jan are actually appreciated or respected respectively. :beam:

Respected respectively? Say that three times fast. :laugh4:

[Stig]

That trait just means Ansehelm thinks people appreciate him. Just like Jan has "feels respected". That doesn't mean that Ansehelm and Jan are actually appreciated or respected respectively. :beam:

Respected respectively? Say that three times fast. :laugh4:
Yup, but Ansehelm has the uber trait in that section, Jan only has +2 or so. Ansehelm thinks everyone would want to sleep with him, because he's that good ~D

[gibsonsg91921]

yeah, im 10 loyalty and +5 appreciated as well. go figure. im loyal to the values of good, righteousness, and genocide!

[Cecil XIX]

Judging by the trait descriptions, I'd say 'ConentGeneral' has more to do with how well he feels he's being treated by the ruler. That's why Generals get content by being given easy battles to fight and big cities to govern. Plus, Ansehelm and Siegfried are both high dread.

[gibsonsg91921]

and peter is more than anyone except arnold

[GeneralHankerchief]

Dietrich's still young. Give him time.

(And a command, too.)

[FactionHeir]

I think Dietrich would love to become Bavarian and defend Marseille :yes:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Is that a subtle nudge? :laugh4:

[gibsonsg91921]

and i think hans would like to help peter defeat the byzantines and regain his birthright

[Ferret]

I can't wait to see Jan's reaction when he finds out he's lost Outremer and is back to serving Ansehelm lol.

Oh and GH Dieter isn't the same rank as Dietrich now, he's the furst of Saxony and Count of Madeburg so stick that in your pipe and smoke it :beam:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yeah, that was pretty bad timing. :wall:

At least we were equal for about ten minutes. :laugh4:

[econ21]

The situation regarding the pursuit of Peter is becoming tactical.

There are three players involved: Gibson (aka Peter); Factionheir (aka Hans); and Cecil (aka Becker).

I think what I would like you each to do is PM me a screenshot of where you would like your forces to be at the end of 1306. You can add any explanatory notes or additional orders you see fit. I will make the moves - if they lead to an interception (this year or in 1308), we'll sort out how to handle it when it happens. No guarantees what you request will be done to the letter - I will factor in a degree of confusion and perhaps skullduggery. It would be good if I got the screenshots within 24 hours.

[Stig]

Unluckely enough we cannot fight MP battles regarding this, as HRE can't fight HRE.

We can however use a simple dice system (a la Risk) and disband units as numbers are thrown. Or something difficult like me and some other guys use when we are unable to fight MP battles for our MP campaigns:

AUTOCALC BATTLES:
In the case where there are no subs preferred, or neither party can meet for battle, or the week long battle deadline is broken, or unforseen circumstances arise, I will apply an autocalculation of the battle in place of an actual online battle.
The result will be based of certain advantages and disadvantages each army has prior to battling.
A Random Number generator will be used to determine the victor based of percentage chance to win.
Below is a modifier list for the defender. To start with, the attacker and defender have a 50% chance to win any battle. Then based on the four categories below, modifiers can increase or decrease that chance. Once the overall chance for the defender is determined, a Random number is calculated. If it equals or is less to the defenders chance of winning, the defender wins the battle, otherwise the attacker wins.
In the case of autocalculated battles, defender means ALL defenders together, same with attackers. The "team" is treated as one entity for the sake of determining who wins and loses.

ARMY SIZE
-40 = Combined defenders army size is 25% or less than the attackers
-30 = Combined defenders army size is 50%-26% of the attackers
-20 = Combined defenders army size is 75%-51% of the attackers
-10 = Combined defenders army size is 99%-76% of the attackers
0 = Combined defenders army is Equal to the attackers
+5 = Combined defenders army is 101-125% of attackers
+10 = Combined defenders army is 126%-150% of attackers
+15 = Combined defenders army is 150-175% of attackers
+20 = Combined defenders army is 175%-200% of attackers
+25 = Combined defenders army is 200% or greater than attackers
TERRAIN
0 = Terrain Grassland
0 = Terrain Desert
+5 = Terrain Desert (If defenders have desert fighting bonus)
-5 = Terrain Desert (if attackers have desert bonus faction)
+5 = Terrain Shoreline
+5 = Terrain Forest
+10 = Terrain Forest (if defenders have barbs)
-10 = Terrain Forest (if attackers have barbs)
+15 = Terrain Mountain
+20 = Terrain Bridge
+25 = Wooden Capital
+30 = Stone Capital
POSTS/INITIATIVE TO DO BATTLE
-20 = No show per defending player for the agreed battle date/time with no sub(s) available.
-5 = Courtesy posts to organize battle Less than attacker
0 = Posts/Initiative to organize battle Equal to attacker
+5 = Courtesy posts to organize battle Greater than attacker
+20 = No show per attacking player for the agreed battle date/time with no sub available.
WEATHER
+5 = Weather snow (if defenders have barbs)
-5 = Weather snow (if attackers have barbs)
0 = All other weather

Casualty Calculation:
Once the winner is determined, the casualties for each side must be determined. This is also done by a Random Number Generator as described below:
The first step is to determine which type of victory it is. To do this, you must take the Random Number that was calculated for the win and determine which 1/3 of the winning chance percentage that that number falls into (where the 1st 1/3 is the best chance of victory).
From this you can determine which type of victory it is as below:
If the number lies in the first third: Heroic victory
If the number lies in the second third: Clear victory
If the number lies in the third third: Close victory
Based on whichever Victory it is, you can then determine the loses for each faction based on the percentages below:
Heroic victory: Winner Casualties= 10-20%, Loser Casualties = 80-90%.
Clear victory: Winner Casualties= 20-40%, Loser Casualties = 60-90%.
Close victory: Winner Casualties= 50-80%, Loser Casualties = 70-90%.
http://z10.invisionfree.com/FORUMITES/index.php?showtopic=836

[Warmaster Horus]

How was the civil war in WotS handled? By an order system, no? Maybe we can use that again?

[Ferret]

well most of the units are in another faction, such as france, so if one army had no HRE specific units then we could fight them in multiplayer but the dice throwing is a good alternative.

[Stig]

well most of the units are in another faction, such as france, so if one army had no HRE specific units then we could fight them in multiplayer but the dice throwing is a good alternative.
True, and not true. Zweihanders, Pavise Crossbowmen, Imperial Knights, all special units, yes other factions have them (Pavise), but not all of them.

I could mod them into Milan or Venice (or Russia, Mongols or Aztecs) in one hour I think, but I think it's too much work for something as little as this. You have time zones, Game Spy and loads of other things to think of.

[gibsonsg91921]

uhh guys, i think it would be more intense and fun if i successfully made it. lol

[Privateerkev]

*Kevin signs in*

Hey guys, what's up? Did I miss anything interesting?

[Ferret]

lmao you sure did

[Privateerkev]

yeah?

what?

[Ferret]

try reading some of the other threads, you may find out that Jan is now the Count of Hamburg and that Outremer has been gifted to the Byzantines.

[Privateerkev]

I see sarcasm fails to translate over the internet.

Yeah, I'm caught up. I just need to figure out Jan's next move.

:beam:

[Ferret]

yeah I did wonder about the sarcasm but it is very hard to detect from text :). And well my plans about returning to Franconia seemed to have happened anyway so Dieter isn't too unhappy. Jan is stuck at the bottom again though with a Duke tha he fell out with ... unless he can chenge the fate of Outremer somehow?

[Privateerkev]

Jan seems to have this way of bouncing back from obstacles. I'm sure he can pull something out of this.

Either way, OOC, I am having an absolute blast. This whole cataclysm thing was a great idea and we've hardly started.

:2thumbsup:

[Stig]

The only reason Jan got Hamburg is so that Ansehelm has something to take from him :laugh4:

[Privateerkev]

The only reason Jan got Hamburg is so that Ansehelm has something to take from him :laugh4:

and Jan has the perfect name to be the Count of Hamburg.

:yes:

[Cecil XIX]

uhh guys, i think it would be more intense and fun if i successfully made it. lol

And I think it would be more exciting if I stopped you. :laugh4: I guess we just have to have econ moderate for us.

[Privateerkev]

At least we were equal for about ten minutes. :laugh4:

Technically not. The Chancellor report did not immediately destroy the Charter of Outremer. Therefore, Dieter was never only an elector at any time today. He does have two counties now though. ^_^

[Northnovas]

Technically not. The Chancellor report did not immediately destroy the Charter of Outremer. Therefore, Dieter was never an elector at any time today. He does have two counties now though. ^_^

I think everyone is an elector in the game. He may not have been a Count or Countless but now he has two counties which means he will be a Count somewhere in the Reich.

[Privateerkev]

True but Dassel is just an Elector. And there was some confusion about whether Dieter was only one as well at any time today. And I am claiming he wasn't.

^_^

There is IC and friendly OOC joshing between Dassel and Dieter over who has a county and who doesn't.

And I just realized that Jan can't reject being Count. So, he is Count of Hamburg but can't govern the settlement.

*edit*

I realize my original post about the whole Dieter/Dassel thing was confusing so I changed it. ^^

[OverKnight]

Jan is still King, he's outside the House structure for his reign, so he's not a Franconian, so he can't be assigned Hamburg.

If Jan resigns or loses his title, he would then be Count of Hamburg.

[Privateerkev]

I think Jan can get the county but he just can't govern it while King. Conrad had Nuremburg. :yes:

Plus, Econ already put it up on the Chancellor thread. ^^

*edit*

I don't think Jan should get the extra influence though. It should be at 4, not 5.

[TinCow]

Don't give up on Outremer unless you want to. It has as much of a role to play in the coming events as each of the Duchies. If everyone wants to go back to the Reich, that's fine, but if they want to stay there will be plenty of options open to them as well.

[Privateerkev]

Don't give up on Outremer unless you want to. It has as much of a role to play in the coming events as each of the Duchies. If everyone wants to go back to the Reich, that's fine, but if they want to stay there will be plenty of options open to them as well.

Oh one way or another Jan is staying. :yes:

I figured this was a "plot point". If it is, it should be fun. If it isn't, and all of Outremer gets gifted, I have ideas of things for Jan to do so it should still be fun. :2thumbsup:

[OverKnight]

The last few years have lead to an increase in traffic in the Diet and Story threads, which is great. However this increases the chances that I will miss something that is worthy of the history. If you write a story, send me a link to make sure it's referenced. If you feel there's an exchange in the Diet worthy of inclusion, let me know, preferably with a beginning post number.

I want to make sure the history does a good job of chronicling the cataclysm, but I'm going to need everyone's help to do so.

Thanks.

[GeneralHankerchief]

In a similar vein, I'm trying to give everyone a character bio on the Wiki but it's taking a while and I won't be able to keep up with all the events. If everyone chipped in, as is ideal, we can make a really killer page.

Here's (https://forums.totalwar.org/wiki/index.php/List_of_King_of_the_Romans_characters) the page so far. As you can see, we still have a lot of work to do.

[Northnovas]

GH that Wiki is such a cool idea. I see the work that needs to be done . I will see what I can contribute.

[Stuperman]

I've got the save, and I guess I'm about to find out how much of the riech is still German.

[Stuperman]

ok, apparently I took the wrong save., who uploaded 1306-5?

[OverKnight]

PrivateerKev uploaded the latest save, 1306-5, he had a fight against the Turks near Edessa.

What's wrong with the save?

[Stuperman]

Nothing, I took 1306-4

Battle fought and won.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1306-6.zip

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/9/9/29/f_submitm_b1b24f3.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/9/9/29/f_submitm_b1b24f3.jpg&srv=img01)

Interesting map:
http://img35.picoodle.com/img/img35/9/9/28/f_Interestingm_3a9325f.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/9/9/28/f_Interestingm_3a9325f.jpg&srv=img35)

[Ignoramus]

Taking the save.

[Ignoramus]

Just autoresolve it. The game quit just as I'd won the battle. I don't know what's going wrong.

[FactionHeir]

Running any additional mods perhaps?

Btw, you still need to post in the Swabian thread...if you want to that is

[econ21]

It looks like everyone has fought, or tried to fight, their battles except Xdeathfire. I'll take back the save in a few hours and start making remaining moves for 1306. PM me if you have any special instructions for the year.

Gibson: Please PM me a screenshot of where you want Peter to be by the end of 1306.

[FactionHeir]

econ:

Xdeathfire left the PBM, so he didn't fight his battle. You need someone to do it though?

Also, is the screenshot to show where we want a character to be or where we possibly can move him within that year? :grin2:

[econ21]

Xdeathfire left the PBM, so he didn't fight his battle. You need someone to do it though?

He told me in a PM he might want to fight the battle - if he doesn't, we have made arrangements to handle it.


Also, is the screenshot to show where we want a character to be or where we possibly can move him within that year?

It's to show his intended destination; from that, I'll infer their movement path. At some point, Peter's army and his pursuers' paths may cross and I'll work out if, and where, they do.

[gibsonsg91921]

alright it should be neat. if we cross paths there should be a story or confrontation before we go straight to open war. make sure tancred is nearby (or not...)

[Dutch_guy]

That said, how would such a confrontation play out - two characters, Hans and Péter, crossing each others path?

Some sort of MP battle, or something else entirely ?

:balloon2:

[gibsonsg91921]

i am curious of that as well. i dont think peter would want to go to battle unless positively necessary - he truly doesnt want dead germans. that would defeat his purpose.

[econ21]

We can decide what to do when if Peter's pursuers catch him when and if it happens. But be assured it won't automatically be a battle - I'll give both sides a chance to reach a diplomatic solution.

Gibson: please can you load up a save, move Peter and then send me a screenshot of where he should be at the end of this turn? I will then move him and his pursuers according to instructions.

EDIT: Note to all - I am taking back the save and making moves for 1306. I will post any further battles later today.

[gibsonsg91921]

i sent u ur PM.

[Privateerkev]

What was wrong with Kotr 1306-5? If you guys skipped it, thats fine, because I only moved and didn't fight the battle, but I needed to know so I can pm Econ with Jan's moves.

Also, if something is wrong with it, I need to know so I can see if it is on my end. I am patched up with no other mods so I should be fine. Can we try a little harder before we go skipping people's uploads? If I had fought a 2 hour battle, I would be kind of pissed off right now.

*edit*

nevermind. ^_^

[gibsonsg91921]

hey PK - u really are gracious and such as Jan. not as authoritative as salier, but hey - give it time

[Privateerkev]

Ok after re-reading the OOC thread, and injecting myself with coffee, it seems that SM did not skip my save. My apologies. :bow:

gibson: thank you! I like what your doing with Peter too.

Jan and Conrad definitely conceive of the role of King differently. But to be fair, they had to deal with entirely different situations and obstacles.

[gibsonsg91921]

yeah. peter is kind of a tragic hero in a way lol. jan is misunderstood and well-meaning, but not many like him

[Privateerkev]

A lot of people don't like him because he has positioned himself against their "secret" agenda... ;)

[Tamur]

Secret agendas? In this game?

[Privateerkev]

Secret agendas? In this game?

*Kevin sees a little red dot on his chest*

Umm... nevermind, I seem to be mistaken... There are NO secret agendas going on in this game.

move along.

there is nothing to see here.

*the dot disappears*

[gibsonsg91921]

well, peter's agenda was supposed to be secret. but how can you hide a missing household army?

[Privateerkev]

well, peter's agenda was supposed to be secret. but how can you hide a missing household army?

well, taking a well traveled road was probably not the most subtle move you could have made. :yes:

It would have taken longer but you could have hopped from forest to forest and hid.

But, with the inevitable pursuit that would be on your trail, taking the roads in order to go faster was probably the best thing you could do.

[FactionHeir]

Easy, just go missing. Oh wait, you did. :laugh4:

Probably if you had split your units into smaller patrols it would have been less obvious.

[gibsonsg91921]

eh, econ's chancellor report saying my army had gone missing was a big clue. and i didnt pick the path, thats the chancellor's job

[Privateerkev]

Armies are big organizations requiring lots of communications and logistics. Losing contact with an army would have been fairly easy for the Chancellor and Duke to notice.

As to the army path, you had to balance speed and subtlety. You could have gone sneakier but you would have been slower. Though you only had a limited time frame so speed was of the essence. I think you did the best you could with the situation you had. You went fast but we found out your intentions quicker.

Making a whole army mutiny, then taking them hundreds of miles to attack the capital of a major ally was never going to be an easy job. But you rolled the dice and took your chances. Either way, it has made for an awesome story in my opinion. :2thumbsup:

[OverKnight]

@gibson, just because you ask the Chancellor for an OOC favor doesn't mean it's going to be granted in the exact way you envisioned. Sucks, but he has a larger story to worry about.

It's a shame Matthias stormed out, looks like I'm missing a humdinger in the Diet.

[StoneCold]

@FH, your avatar's post in the Diet states that the Kaiser gave something to Bavaria in the begining of the term. But that was a mistake as the land, Cagliari, is already given away, to the Sicilians for peace I think, which is what TC's avatar was moaning about everytime... :P

[Privateerkev]

I think Hans meant Ajacio which the Kaiser gave Bavaria for how Gerhard voted at the Ducal council during the Succession Dispute.

[Ferret]

Econ did you actually adopt Karl because I would love to have him as my next avatar (if Dieter gets killed soon enough lol)

[Privateerkev]

he held his cursor over the "decline" option when he took the picture. Plus, since Swabia has one spare avatar, he said he wouldn't accept another for Swabia.

[econ21]

Econ did you actually adopt Karl because I would love to have him as my next avatar (if Dieter gets killed soon enough lol)

Sorry, I was tempted but as I've just killed off two spare Swabia avatars and we have another, I could not justify it to myself.

I am shooting for one spare avatar per House, but the computer seems very keen on giving Hans more adoptees.

[gibsonsg91921]

edit - deleted

[Privateerkev]

I am shooting for one spare avatar per House, but the computer seems very keen on giving Hans more adoptees.

I wonder if we should accept them and then kill them, just to get the "heir mechanics" to move on.

[econ21]

I wonder if we should accept them and then kill them, just to get the "heir mechanics" to move on.

Yes, the thought had entered my mind. I'd be interested to hear what Factionheir has to say on this.

[Privateerkev]

Thats true, it would lock out his last two "slots" for kids.

[FactionHeir]

Adoptees for MotH/adoptions usually go from left to right, although with exceptions: I.e. Dassel doesn't seem to be getting any currently, nor does Elberhard or H&#252;mmel.
Its not really linked to age either, as I sometimes get adoption offers to someone who just came of age for instance.

As for further Swabians, I don't think more are necessary as we already got a spare. Although of course not accepting might block out adoptions for other houses while Hans is alive possibly, but we don't seem to have a shortage currently to justify several rounds of adoptions + kill offs.

Regarding adoptions for Hans in particular, I'm not too certain whether it makes a difference or not. He's already in his 50s and not married and chances that he gets married are rather slim. Of course we could force marry him to a princess (does Siegfried reward loyalty?), but even then he'd only have a random amount of years (he'll he 59 or 60 by the time one comes of age) to produce any offspring. Of course I did have characters live to 68, but that tends to be the exception.

But for the moment I'd say no more adoptions.

[gibsonsg91921]

siegfried wont be repaying your loyalty when im through with u, FH

[FactionHeir]

Have Peter turn around and pursue Hans instead then :laugh4:

[gibsonsg91921]

(;P)

[Privateerkev]

Of course we could force marry him to a princess (does Siegfried reward loyalty?)

Oh he better... :yes:

:beam:

[RoadKill]

Now I'm freak'n confused. Why did GeneralHankercheif randomly become pope!?!?!?

[GeneralHankerchief]

It's all sarcasm, although I will gladly accept the position if you wish. :laugh4:

[Privateerkev]

Here is the origination of the joke:


So, Dietrich, you think the Diet must approve of religious re-unification before it happens? Not only do you think you should be Chancellor, you also think you must be the @#$%^&!!!ing Pope?!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1688292&postcount=614

Pope/Kaiser Dietrich, you still haven't answered my question on what flavor lotion to use on your feet. :D

[gibsonsg91921]

i do like the lotion joke. funny stuff

[Privateerkev]

thank you. :bow:

"It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again."

[Stig]

You guys know that HRE Emperors were more or less elected, right? (in real)

[Stuperman]

I thought that's why we picked them>?

[Stig]

I thought that's why we picked them>?
Yeah it's just that some people say that the Kaiser was appointed by god, while in real he was almost always choosen by a couple of Electors and with that named King of the Romans.

[econ21]

Let's turn the page onto 1310. The Chancellor's report for 1308 is up.

There seem to be almost no battles this turn, just one minor one for Ignoramus:

Count Hummel:


Although you are wracked by a terrible plague, you are determined to drive away the last remnants of French forces from around Bruges. Destroy the small force between Bruges and Antwerp.

If you still have technical problems, let me know me and I'll autoresolve.

However, the pursuit of Peter's rebel force has come to ahead. I need orders from Factionheir, Gibson and Cecil within 24 hours. I also need advice from Becker/Arnold on what to do about Bucharest. It is surely going to blow this turn - probably better to get the militia to bug out back to Bran.

Here's the save:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1308-1.zip

People should pass by the Throne room in about 24 hours time, when we will resolve the Peter issue and see if there are any defensive battles.

[StoneCold]

Econ, why did you not allow Stig's avatar to break the siege of Thorn, that should be a defensive battle and will not incurred the wrath of the Pope, right? Or is that part of the story plot?


Steward’s report for 1308

Franconia: Duke Ansehelm has destroyed the Russian army that besieged Thorn. The Poles now besiege Thorn. We will not attack, as that will bring excommunication. However, the Duke’s army is standing by to assist the garrison in the event that the Poles launch an assault. The Saxon army remains near Stettin.

Steward Elberhard

[Privateerkev]

Yeah it's just that some people say that the Kaiser was appointed by god, while in real he was almost always choosen by a couple of Electors and with that named King of the Romans.

Jan has 10 Piety and believes in "divine right to rule". Yes, I the player know that Emperors were elected in the HRE. But, Jan has a different view of things.

The computer picks an heir. Jan believes that is the Pope saying that God picked that person to be heir. You can quibble all you want that Jan's view is not rational but it is not meant to be rational.

^_^

[Cecil XIX]

As we say, the will of the game is the will of god.

[Stig]

Econ, why did you not allow Stig's avatar to break the siege of Thorn, that should be a defensive battle and will not incurred the wrath of the Pope, right? Or is that part of the story plot?
Ansehelm is not in Thorn, he himself is outside it

[TinCow]

FYI, for Factionheir. I checked my KOTRfix install and it seems I patched the wrong M2TW installation. I have fixed it now. I've got 4 different M2TW installs on my computer now and it's a bit confusing.

[StoneCold]

Stig, so attacking an enemy stack on our land is still an aggression?

[Privateerkev]

Regarding Thorn, I loaded up the savegame. The rest is in a spoiler.

I had Ansehelm attack the besieging army and autoresolved it. There was no consequence for attacking the army.

[econ21]

All right - Stig, if you want to, Ansehelm can attack the Polish army beseiging Thorn.

[Ignoramus]

:help: I get back and find that Wolgang has the plague?

[Stig]

Will fight my battle tomorrow morning, if I fight it ofcourse, those Poles seemed strong last turn

[econ21]

:help: I get back and find that Wolgang has the plague?

Sorry about that. :embarassed: It happened after he occupied Bruges.

Does anyone know what the consequences of carrying the plague are? I guess he can infect any settlements he enters? What is the prognosis for the character?

[Stig]

Most of the time he survives, either take him out of the city or place him in an already infected city with major health bonuses

[FactionHeir]

Plague usually lasts for 4-6 turns.

It doesn't make a difference whether he stays inside town or not, but if he re-enters, he'll also reinfect. I usually leave em inside a town as even though their illness lasts longer than a garrison's, they do not keep infecting people, so are completely safe. I suppose that's good in a way too since he needs to keep PO at Bruges.

[GeneralHankerchief]

With Peter's capture, is there the possibility of a trial a la Publius Laevinus?

[gibsonsg91921]

cool! i want to be memorable lol

[econ21]

Stig: what are you going to do about the battle at Thorn? Do you intend to fight it now or should do you intend to fight a defensive battle at the end of the turn (in real life, tomorrow)?

[Stig]

I was just about thinking of loading MTW2 ~D

[econ21]

OK, good luck. I'm assuming Ignoramus is not going to fight his battle, so when you load up the save I will finish the turn. It's going to be a significant one, BTW.

[Tamur]

Very clever hiding place, TinCow. Are we going to see some exciting fireworks in the Diet? Or is this all underground activity? Poor Siegfried, in either case!

[Stig]

Easy win, I didn't even use the reinforcements, they arrived at the moment the battle was over:
https://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/the_Stig_/Forumite%20Battle%20Result/165.jpg

btw, how on earth is Peter captured? Edmund Becker is not even close to him

save:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1308-2.rar

[econ21]

btw, how on earth is Peter captured? Edmund Becker is not even close to him

In the save you have, they have not moved since 1306 as I needed their march orders for 1308 first. Once I had the orders, it was clear Becker could make the interception. (If you set Peter to head for Constantinople, you will see that Becker can catch him.)

[Stig]

In the save you have, they have not moved since 1306 as I needed their march orders for 1308 first. Once I had the orders, it was clear Becker could make the interception. (If you set Peter to head for Constantinople, you will see that Becker can catch him.)
In that case Gibson gave wrong orders, as he's uncatchable at at points on the map

:laugh4:

[TinCow]

Very clever hiding place, TinCow. Are we going to see some exciting fireworks in the Diet? Or is this all underground activity? Poor Siegfried, in either case!

I was pushing on that pleasure palace construction for a reason. It's the same reason I transferred the Bavarian capital to Florence.

[Privateerkev]

I'm now even more glad that I pushed for the Tavern to be a "neutral" place owned by a "neutral" party. ^_^

[econ21]

There's a rather significant announcement in the Diet. Read it before clicking the spoiler.

Whatever the game says, there will be no new Prinz in the story until we have come up with an in game rationalization - given the computer's choice, that may take a few turns.

[Tamur]

There's a rather significant announcement in the Diet.

Ha, appears I didn't have to wait too long for the answer... yeep.

[Privateerkev]

question in spoiler:

is the new prince athawolf? I killed the avatars weeks ago and he is who became heir.

[AussieGiant]

Sorry chaps I'm heading back to Switzerland from China and wont be back until Tuesday afternoon Swiss time.

Econ,

Pull everyone out of Bucharest and get them back to Bran. It can blow.

Karl Zirn will take over the AHA command...sorry Roadkill, Northnovas has seniority.

I'm also not going to baby sit Krakow for too long.

I'll be posting back IC in about 26 hours.


Cecil...you can't really resign...although you have...it would have been nice to have you ask first. :beam:

[TinCow]

Cecil has his own subplot going and the resignation is in-line with that. He consulted with econ21 and I first.

[Privateerkev]

Cecil...you can't really resign...although you have...it would have been nice to have you ask first. :beam:

You can't "resign" but you can refuse to fight battles or just lose battles on purpose. Then your Duke would be better off replacing you. So it is effectively resigning even though its not in the charter. :D

[TinCow]

You forget, the Charter rules don't apply at this time if econ21 and I say they don't.

[Privateerkev]

True but I was talking more in the abstract about general resignations and how they relate to written law. :beam:

*edited due to fear that sarcasm may yet again fail to tranfer effectively over the text medium*

[Stig]

given the computer's choice, that may take a few turns.
So, is it Lothar, Arnold or Ansehelm? ~D


Or Von Dassel himself

[Privateerkev]

secret prince conversation enclosed:

It was Athawolf but I haven't checked since dassel came of age. If it was Dassel I would laugh my !@# off. :yes:

[Cecil XIX]

Cecil...you can't really resign...although you have...it would have been nice to have you ask first. :beam:

Seems odd that we're actually conscripted into command rather than appointed, but oh well. I'm sorry I didn't PM you first, but I like to make things surprising.

[Privateerkev]

True, it is weird that we are conscripted, but most people love having an army command because they get to fight battles and develop their avatars with battle traits and retinue. Jan has learned the hard way what great lengths some people will go through to make sure they can lead an army.

Ah the politics of assigning army commanders...

^_^

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh my God, I would love it if Dassel became Prinz. That would be... just... amazing. :laugh4:

Plus, I've had practice as Kaiser so I'd do it right this time around. :evilgrin:

[Privateerkev]

Again I ask GH, what flavor lotion would Dietrich prefer? :beam:

[Northnovas]

I still think of some players in their first avatar of the game. I still think of GH as Heinrich. No matter what he is raving about in the Diet post.

[Privateerkev]

I still think of some players in their first avatar of the game. I still think of GH as Heinrich. No matter what he is raving about in the Diet post.

Well TC seems to be playing a very different character than Mandorf. But yeah, I've been reading a lot of the old threads lately and I've noticed some players basically play their old avatar but just version 2.0. Which is cool. Sometimes you get to where you like playing a certain type of character. I still am up in the air on how I'll play my next one.

[TinCow]

Well TC seems to be playing a very different character than Mandorf.

True, but Mandorf himself was really a Fire-and-Brimstone version of my main WOTS character. Substitute hatred of Gauls for religious fervor and you've got Augustus Verginius.

[Privateerkev]

Ah but I wasn't around for WoTS. I read a little bit but never really went through all of the old threads.

[OverKnight]

I've been reading a lot of the old threads lately and I've noticed some players basically play their old avatar but just version 2.0.

Guilty. I tried to make Matthias distinct, but it ain't working. Of course Otto changed over his lifetime, so there's still time for Matthias to distinguish himself.

I'll have to put some effort into that, but I do have a preferred role-playing style so it'll be difficult.

[Privateerkev]

I'm worried about that too. I'm afraid that if I want to be different, I'll have to be really different. Maybe my next avatar will have some cool traits and I can build off of that.

[OverKnight]

Urrrgggh I wish Matthias was in the Diet, I stormed out to soon. Urge to pontificate rising!

[gibsonsg91921]

haha peter is a bit different from ehrhart of maximillian

[Privateerkev]

Urrrgggh I wish Matthias was in the Diet, I stormed out to soon. Urge to pontificate rising!

you could just have him come back. no one really keeps track of the all of the storming out anyways. people storm out, storm back in, then storm out again. ^_^

[GeneralHankerchief]

I consciously try to play all of my characters differently, but it turns out weird. Heinrich was great, obviously. Conrad was always a bit boring and I disposed of him when his storylines ran out. Jens would have been fun but he to die and all.

I've lost so much control over Dietrich it's scary. He has turned out nothing like the way I planned to evolve him. :hide:

[OverKnight]

Yeah I know, but there's a reason, not apparent yet, why Matthias has to stay in Outremer. I just wish I hadn't left so soon.

[Privateerkev]

I've lost so much control over Dietrich it's scary. He has turned out nothing like the way I planned to evolve him.

I think I know what you mean. The events shape us as much as we try to shape the events. You try to make your character go a certain way but you try to roll with what comes at him. I've had to steer Jan through a few twists and turns but he has basically kept the same core value system that I set him up with.

[gibsonsg91921]

yeah, theres no way peter can flip flop now.

ehrhart was noble yet young.

maximillian was a cocky merchant who wanted to invade spain.

[Stuperman]

arg, they seem to block the org at school (but let porn through, figure that one out) so I haven't been keeping up with the stories thread much, things seem to move so fast lately.

I didn't RP Gerhard much, when he was Duke it was hard to RP his 0 piety (being anti-outremer was a bad political move), I tried to have it so he at least respected the political importance of the church, even if he thought the teaching were rubbish. With Fredericus I have a little piety, but still am dominated by loyalty.

[gibsonsg91921]

hey overknight, are u interested in joining the dark side? mwahahaha

[OverKnight]

It's not the dark side, Matthias is a righteous man, at least in his own mind. :laugh4:

[Privateerkev]

hey overknight, are u interested in joining the dark side? mwahahaha

who said he hadn't?

^_^

[FactionHeir]

arg, they seem to block the org at school (but let porn through, figure that one out) so I haven't been keeping up with the stories thread much, things seem to move so fast lately.

I didn't RP Gerhard much, when he was Duke it was hard to RP his 0 piety (being anti-outremer was a bad political move), I tried to have it so he at least respected the political importance of the church, even if he thought the teaching were rubbish. With Fredericus I have a little piety, but still am dominated by loyalty.

View the org using anonymouse then.

[Privateerkev]

Now that Kaiser Siegfried is dead, I figure it's safe to ask this. What happened to Ituralde? Did he leave the game? Is he taking an extended leave of abscence due to real-life limitations? Is he coming back soon? It seems clear now that Siegfried was meant to die from the beginning of this "20 year event" so Econ has basically been running him as an NPC with a script set up with Ituralde. The death of Siegfried has made for a great story but I am kind of surprised because of the relatively young age of the avatar and the utility of Princess agents that are now lost.

This is all just for curiousity's sake and I figure it's safe now since it won't affect the current plots. ^_^

[FactionHeir]

Psssst he was supposed to be brought back using necromancy and continue ruling. Now you spoiled it! :tongue2:

[Privateerkev]

Psssst he was supposed to be brought back using necromancy and continue ruling. Now you spoiled it! :tongue2:

Since econ has not yet released the savegame, I wondered if the avatar was really dead. But, since Econ made that statement about a new heir, I figured the avatar was gone and it would be safe to assume so.

But if I did spoil a super-cool necromancy sub-plot, then I apologize. :bow:

[TinCow]

Now that Kaiser Siegfried is dead, I figure it's safe to ask this. What happened to Ituralde? Did he leave the game? Is he taking an extended leave of abscence due to real-life limitations? Is he coming back soon? It seems clear now that Siegfried was meant to die from the beginning of this "20 year event" so Econ has basically been running him as an NPC with a script set up with Ituralde. The death of Siegfried has made for a great story but I am kind of surprised because of the relatively young age of the avatar and the utility of Princess agents that are now lost.

This is all just for curiousity's sake and I figure it's safe now since it won't affect the current plots. ^_^

Ituralde is on a 3 month vacation in New Zealand w/o access to the internet and left several weeks ago. He has formally withdrawn from KOTR. He worked on the plot with econ21 and I and wrote Siegfried's various letters/speeches for econ21 to post before he left. Siegfried died largely because Ituralde was going to have to withdraw from the game anyway.

[AussieGiant]

Phew, ok back.

24 hour in a plane is not a recommended idea guys.

Seems things are going well...:inquisitive:

[FactionHeir]

Ituralde is on a 3 month vacation in New Zealand w/o access to the internet and left several weeks ago. He has formally withdrawn from KOTR. He worked on the plot with econ21 and I and wrote Siegfried's various letters/speeches for econ21 to post before he left. Siegfried died largely because Ituralde was going to have to withdraw from the game anyway.

Girlfriends seem to be bad for the game, eh?

[Privateerkev]

Well in my opinion, you guys took the unfortunate situation of Ituralde having to leave the game, and made a cool story out of it. Kudos. :2thumbsup:

Maybe we'll see Ituralde some day down the road. It was fun to play with him. :yes:

*edit*


Girlfriends seem to be bad for the game, eh?

Mine has been nothing but supportive with my hobby. I am truly blessed... ^_^

[TinCow]

Yes, I fully expect him to return to KOTR or whatever successor game we are playing when he returns.

[FactionHeir]

Mine has been nothing but supportive with my hobby. I am truly blessed... ^_^
´
Why isn't she replacing Larisa then? :whip: :wink2:

[Privateerkev]

´
Why isn't she replacing Larisa then? :whip: :wink2:

My GF has zero interest in this game. She doesn't even want to hear anything about it. I said she was supportive, not interested. But she is quite understanding of me spending copious amounts of time on this forum hitting the refresh button. ^_^

[econ21]

Sorry I misled people about Ituralde - it's just I thought players would respond more in character (and also be more surprised) if they thought that Siegfried was only absent for a time and would be making a reappearance.

Ituradle had been planning to kill off his character some time ago when he realised he would be travelling and unable to function as Emperor. He hoped to have a term as Chancellor when he could work the re-unification story. But things got delayed so his departure ended up coinciding with the cataclysm TinCow had proposed. It seemed natural to combine the two, as the sudden death of an Emperor is a plausible cause of upheaval. Speaking of which... the annual report for 1308 will be up soon.

[Tamur]

Waiting for 1308 bears an unfortunate resemblance to waiting for semester grades... if only I had studied harder! :tongue:

[AussieGiant]

I know it's role playing and all...

but...

this deal is just bonkers. Do the Byzantine own thermo nuclear devices or something?

[TinCow]

Yup. You should see the size of Theodora's warheads... :eeeek:

[GeneralHankerchief]

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[AussieGiant]

Yup. You should see the size of Theodora's warheads... :eeeek:


Well if that is the case..."I'm goin' in boys, don't try and stop me!!" :charge:

[Dutch_guy]

Yup. You should see the size of Theodora's warheads... :eeeek:

:computer:

:wall:

:laugh4:

:balloon2:

[econ21]

The report on 1308 is up (I realised I mislabelled the year on the early two reports).

We are now in 1310 in game. I will load up the save and see if there are any battles. I won't act on the VH taxes as the poll on governor responses has another 24 hours or so to run.

[Privateerkev]

Well if that is the case..."I'm goin' in boys, don't try and stop me!!" :charge:

remind Arnold that the woman is grieving. try to be gentle...

Of course something tells me she would eat Arnold for breakfast... o_O

[econ21]

I've made most of the moves for 1310.

This is Bavaria's year - there are two offensive battles:

Friedrich Karolinger (Warmaster Horus)

You have finally made landfall outside Thessalonica. As you have one catapult, you may attempt to storm the city. Otherwise, you can wait for your engineers to build siege towers. Once it falls, the Kaiser instructs you to occupy the city - not exterminate or sack it. We are to gift our Eastern Roman brothers a fine, healthy city - not a traumatised husk. Failure to comply with this instruction may lead to severe consequences. For example, you would probably be walking, not sailing, home. And Household Army Otto would be reduced to minimum legal size.


Fredericus Erlach (Stuperman)

There is a small French army nearby. You may eliminate them if you wish. Marseilles has not heeded its Duke's call for order. You may march on it to restore order or you may return to Italy. Beware the inquisitor nearby - the Pope is out for blood after the Reich's hostility to re-unification.
OOC: You are authorised to squish him if you can.


There may be a defensive battle this turn, so please complete the above battles within 24 hours.

The save is here:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/1310-1.zip

[GeneralHankerchief]

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

KotR, how I love thee...

Amazing Prinz choice. Absolutely... amazing. :laugh4:

[OverKnight]

A good reason to become a Republic. :laugh4:

[gibsonsg91921]

As my first act, I will persecute any and all people I don't like for whatever reason. OverKnight, for the Republic comment, you get crucified upside down.

[OverKnight]

All hail Prinz Peter the Compassionate. May his title grow ever larger. :yes:

[gibsonsg91921]

Prinz Peter the Compassionate, Supreme Commander of the Army of Immortals, Herzog der Wahrheit, Count of Breslau, Bane of Poland and Greece

I knowingly got carried away cuz i like to make up names

[Tamur]

I had to see it with my own eyes... that is just priceless, lol! Well done, brother.

[Stuperman]

I have the save. I'll try and get the inquisitor.

[Privateerkev]

God likes the Kastilians... :yes:

But I am highly amused by the idea of a humanist Kaiser. The Pope just picked an heir that believes in humanism. Priceless... :laugh4:

[Stuperman]

Save: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/1310-2.zip

http://img37.picoodle.com/img/img37/9/10/2/t_submitm_c34f144.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/9/10/2/f_submitm_c34f144.jpg&srv=img37)

http://img36.picoodle.com/img/img36/9/10/2/t_submit2m_e696673.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/9/10/2/f_submit2m_e696673.jpg&srv=img36)

Prisoners released.

edit, like 3 or 4: Inquisitor gotten.

[econ21]

Just a comment about Peter as Prinz: we will roll with the punches and come up with an in game rationalisation of this (Gibson and I have one in mind already). But in the story he is not Prinz yet. Historically, the HRE Kaiser was elected. In our alternate history, the next Kaiser is selected by the present one (ie the the player controlling the Kaiser has to come up with a cover for the AIs bizarre picks).

Also - on the present saves and future ones, people are free to take a look, then PM me with instructions with what they want their characters to do or where they want them to go next turn. Players may want to be thinking 4-5 turns ahead: where they want to be when all hell breaks loose. In the absence of instructions, I just move them where I think it would be in character for them to go. I don't have time to liaise with everyone over their moves, but I will try to accommodate any requests I receive.

[Warmaster Horus]

I'll wait for the Siege Engines, if that's no problem. It's just... Catapults and me... We don't mix too often.

[Stig]

Historically, the HRE Kaiser was elected. In our alternate history, the next Kaiser is selected by the present one (ie the the player controlling the Kaiser has to come up with a cover for the AIs bizarre picks).
That's easy, we fake some elections when Elberhard dies (would Peter still be alive at that point), and we simply make sure Peter gets the position.

[econ21]

In our world the Kaiser is not and never has been elected. He's chosen by his predecessor.

[Stig]

Not if the Kaiser chooses no Heir


Siegfried was in a way elected.

[econ21]

I've pressed end turn for 1310 and there were no defensive battles. I am wondering about accelerating things and moving on to 1312 tonight. Any objections?

This would be a day faster than the 1 turn/2 days pace I planned, but I will be unable to get to a computer that can play M2TW on Friday and Saturday, so it should balance out.

[TinCow]

It's fine with me. Regarding the unusual choice of heir, I would wait until the catastrophe is over before having that become official. I'm sure we can come up with some reason for it by that time.

[FactionHeir]

I'll have a look on Hans' moves before you end turn. Give me a few hours to get back though.

As for heirs, we dont have to go with the game decision as pointed out during the succession debate. Its very simple to make us choose our heirs and have them get the appropriate traits. The only limitation really is diplomatic marriage, princess spawning and bodyguard size.

[Privateerkev]

Like I said during the succession dispute, I like that we still go by the game's crazy heir mechanics. It adds an element of surprise to the game. Plus it gives the opportunity for a "rags to riches" type story. A lot of us will not have our avatars reach high office. The semi-random heir machine allows us to have the hope that our lowly count will one day become Kaiser. Otherwise it will just go to the person with the most political connections. The game picking Jobst, Siegfried, and now Peter has added something to the game in my opinion. :yes:

*edit*
and I know I omitted Elberhard but he is a fairly "logical" choice for the game to make in my opinion.

[Tamur]

Agreed, I very much like the random wild choices precisely because it puts everyone on an equal footing, at least for that particular aspect of the game. Obviously, political savvy is highly meaningful here, but perhaps it should not rule everything.

[Tamur]

Just thought I'd say, this catastrophe scenario has brought out some great RP in the stories and the Diet. It's fun every day to wake up and check on what the latest disaster is, but even more fun to watch for the reactions and interactions.

Thanks for the great reading.

[Northnovas]

Just thought I'd say, this catastrophe scenario has brought out some great RP in the stories and the Diet. It's fun every day to wake up and check on what the latest disaster is, but even more fun to watch for the reactions and interactions.

Thanks for the great reading.

We haven't even got to the real catastrophe event(s) of 1320-1340.

[gibsonsg91921]

pffft. tancred? he works for me!

[AussieGiant]

Now that I can actually see the game it seems to be a bit of a dogs breakfast :beam:

What's Ehrhart Ruppel doing traipsing around Austria?

Plus Peter is still married to a large army and the Siegfried is alive....oh my god!! :laugh4:

[econ21]

Now that I can actually see the game it seems to be a bit of a dogs breakfast :beam:

What's Ehrhart Ruppel doing traipsing around Austria?

Plus Peter is still married to a large army and the Siegfried is alive....oh my god!! :laugh4:

I think you are looking at an old save.

Try the one Stuperman posted earlier on this page:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/1310-2.zip

None of what you said is true about that save. ... Apart from the dog's breakfast part.

[RoadKill]

Hey everyone, I have a bit of a problem for some reason my MTW 2 has stopped working..... So yah... So if I get engaged in battle, get someone else to fight it, or just autoresolve it. If you want to help solve the problem I posted a thread in the MTW 2 section.

[TinCow]

We haven't even got to the real catastrophe event(s) of 1320-1340.

True, but the scripted plotline is entirely for the 1300-1320 period. 1320-1340 will be the choose-your-own-adventure style of game and the plot will evolve almost 100% based on what the players decide to do. It will be interesting, but in a different way. I have no major 'events' planned for the 1320-1340 period, because doing so would require me to know exactly what was going to happen. Since it's impossible to predict what choices 15+ people are going to make, I am going to be creating the events on the fly instead.

[gibsonsg91921]

I like how it's going. There's a lot Peter has yet to do.

Like get the @#$% out of jail.

[econ21]

The flurry of PMs I've been sending and receiving make me a little reluctant to end 1310 now. But I think we have done everything we can in the save and there are some battles we need to get out of the way in 1312, so I think I will post the report on 1310. We are now officially in 1312.

[Privateerkev]

I have no major 'events' planned for the 1320-1340 period, because doing so would require me to know exactly what was going to happen. Since it's impossible to predict what choices 15+ people are going to make, I am going to be creating the events on the fly instead.

I'll help you out.

First, Jan is going to take his army and go this way. :charge:

Then, Jan is going to take his army and go that way. :charge:

Somewhere in between, Jan is going to fight some people and then release them all. :shakehands:

During all of this, Jan will spend hours writing legislation that he will just pull at the last minute. :study:

If he lives through it all, Jan will celebrate by drinking copious amounts of beer with whoever else is still alive. ~:cheers:

There, now please plan an event around that. :hide:

[AussieGiant]

We crappola I was looking at the wrong save.

That's what 9 weeks away will do.

This one looks much better.

[Privateerkev]

AG,

You had me scared for a moment that we had a "zombie Siegfried" like we had a "zombie Hummel". o_O

[econ21]

Believe me, poor Siegfried died more times planning 1308 than you can imagine. :sweatdrop:

Sort of reminds me of that scene in Shaun of the Dead, where Shaun imagines all the different scenarios in which he could kill his zombie stepdad Phil and rescue his mum.

[gibsonsg91921]

yay! im a hero! this calls for...

MORE TITLES!

[econ21]

Some battles for 1312:

Duke Arnold (AussieGiant)

Budapest is under siege. You can ride with your two regiments of Imperial knights and link up with the large force of militia defending the city to attack the besiegers. Good hunting!


Friedrich Karolinger (Warmaster Horus)

Occupy - repeat: occupy - Thessalonica.


Edmund Becker (CecilXIX)

Your Duke has ordered AHA1 to retake Bucharest. Karl Zirn cannot reach your army in time to take command. You have built siege engines and can bring up Captain Dieter's three batteries of artillery for added support. The rebels holding the city are mainly peasants. Do this last duty for Austria and you will be free to return to Prague.


Fredericus Erlach (Stuperman)

A French Captain Mathieu is hurling insults at you across a bridge on the border with France. Are you going to stand for it?


Ignoramus or Factionheir: advice on the Swabian situation would be appreciated. Unless Ignoramus can fight battles, we can only autoresolve so that constrains us. I'll do the autoresolving, but I will follow your instructions about moves.

This is the save:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/1312-1.zip

Deadline for all battles - 24 hours hence.

[Ignoramus]

I can fight battles, only Medieval 2 sometimes quits on me. But it's far better than autoresolving first off.

[gibsonsg91921]

hey kids - dont forget about the wiki. lotsa editing to do.

https://forums.totalwar.org/wiki/index.php/List_of_King_of_the_Romans_characters

[Privateerkev]

With the wiki, I suspect a lot of people are waiting for their avatar to die before making an entry.

I made an entry for Jan's retinue but I'd prefer to wait before I make one for Jan himself. Though if GH insists that there be one, I'll make a small generic one and flesh it out later.

[OverKnight]

It's a bit tough writing about your own avatar. You have the background, but might have a skewed perspective. I'm kinda glad someone besides myself(GH?) wrote Otto's bio.

[gibsonsg91921]

i was nothing short of boastful about peter, dont be shy

[Stuperman]

I have the save

[Warluster]

Just in case anyone is wondering, I have been away for somne time. Wil be away for another 5 days.

[Stuperman]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/1312-2b.zip

http://img39.picoodle.com/img/img39/9/10/3/t_submitm_97d5882.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/9/10/3/f_submitm_97d5882.jpg&srv=img39)

Stupid trebulechet, took out 10 guys first shot.

edit: prisioners released, moved as close to the bridge as possibe.

Edit 2: sorry, I toggle_fow'd and didn't turn it off for the save.

Edit 3: New save is up, correcting said deficiencies, 1312-2b.

[econ21]

I can fight battles, only Medieval 2 sometimes quits on me. But it's far better than autoresolving first off.

Well, if you can fight the battle, there is a large French army next to you that you could attack. However, your army is pretty beat up from all the autoresolving it has been doing and I would not recommend the battle unless you can fight it manually. Don't call the save for longer than 2 hours as there is a queue.

[AussieGiant]

I'm scheduled to fight my battle Thursday night around 19:00 Swiss time.

[Ignoramus]

Taking the save.

[Ignoramus]

Battle fought and won. No screenshots except for the end result, unfortunately, as the computer was threatening to jam, I didn't want to minimise MTW2(I take screenshots manually with print screen, pause the battle, then paste them in paint).

https://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1661/resultny9.png (https://imageshack.us)


Oh and econ, can I PM you about the plot for the catastrophe?

[econ21]

Well fought. :bow:


Oh and econ, can I PM you about the plot for the catastrophe?

Of course, PM away. :2thumbsup:

Have you loaded up a new save for the next player?