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Once you have been Excommunicated buy the Pope is there any way to get back in his good graces, and if so how long does it take.
Kraellin
08-27-2002, 19:09
the first question is, why would you want to? hehe.
yes, you can get back in his good graces fairly easily. simply attack non catholic factions. that seems to be the easiest way. i havent tried sending emisarries to the old boy yet to see if i could bribe my way back in. also, if the current pope dies, your status is restored, so you might want to look into assassination, if it's really important to you.
K.
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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.
Assassinate him and all your problems go away.
Grifman
Well if you really really want to be euh unexcommunicated (i.e. when other catholic factions keep sending in Crusades to you), just kill the pope. Though if he reemmerges (which will not take very long, and always in Rome, or even in Rome/Papal and more states at the same time) better withdraw or be prepared to immidiatly be excommunicated again http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Gunga Din
08-27-2002, 19:59
Well, I fretted about this in the past, but when you rule the world these matters don't bother you much.
This only effects those that are influenced by the pope. Close allies with a sword to their throat backed by a strong army are often going to choose to stick with you. Maybe this changes on expert but I have found a strong force offsets the pope.
GAH!
Conquer the Papacy, and the Pope goes the way of the dodo. It means no more Crusades for anybody AND all excommunications are void!
GAH!
Well just beware, the pope is a very persistent little fellow, he keeps reemerging, on this game (easy late 1300's) it doesn't take longer then 3-4 turns for him to reemerge. First i tried putting a big army in Rome to kick his ass as soon as he showed up, but i couldn't keep refilling that army, also i feel if i beat him a couple of times during reemerging, he comes back stronger (and attacks more provinces during reemerging). So I don't bother him, if i'm excommunicated he gets the boot, if he comes back he can have Rome, my provinces (north of Rome) have stronger defence then the ones south of rome, so he just hits south or keeps sitting in rome..
eat cold steel
08-28-2002, 15:56
The rule for excommunications are:
If you attack the Papist you are excommunicated automatically. You will get a warning if you attack a Catholic faction who is a lot smaller than you (control about 50% less regions than you.) You can avoid actural excommuncation by not attacking or siegeing enemy castle on the second year - either assault any castles you are siegeing in the first year or redraw your troops in the second (assaulting, continue siegeing castles, attacking new regions in the second year is not allowed.) After that turn you are returned to neutral if you comply. During the 10 years time out, you are not allowed to move any of your troops onto regions belonging to the other faction - this includes region you've lost to them in the mean time and castles that are under siege (no sallying!) So if you are not sure if you can win a defensive battle, retreat, else your troop may end up trapped in the castle.
You are totally on defensive during those 10 years - you cannot reclaim lost regions. The same rules apply to the AI. If your opponent mamaged to take you down to 50% of his land owned, he'll get a warning. If he has high piety chances are he'll stop attacking. This doesn't mean you are off the hook though, you still will have to wait the 10 years out.
If the Pope dies at any time, any outstanding warnings and actual excommuncations are cancelled. If your king dies and you are not currently at war with the Papist, you'll also be let off. The not being at war bit is important, killing your king is not enough.
Tip - the Pope only keep a record of one warning at a time, if you are currently on time out against faction A, he'll not give out any extra warning against faction B, you can use that to your advantage.
The Black Ship
08-28-2002, 18:44
Ermmm... I've been excommnicated twice, in 3 years. First was for diregarding attacking HRE (I had to have Bavaria you see http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif), then for fininshing off the English fortress in Northumbria (it held out for too damn long). You may want to check the code on the when ex'd for party A you can't be ex'd for party B statement
Tate Bruce
08-29-2002, 01:12
Is there a way to be Protestant or anything like that? I mean, we're still Christians, we just got give a rip about the Pope and his funny little hat.
~Tate
Soapyfrog
08-29-2002, 01:16
Protestantism (with the exception of some hereies that were brutally wiped out in the middle ages) only showed up in force in Europe with Martin Luther in the 1500's.
Funky Phantom
08-29-2002, 02:02
If you want to be christian but without the pope meddling in your affairs, try Byzantines or Russia, they are both Orthodox...
Black Ship- I actually believe there was a crusader who was excommunicated twice by the pope (his name escapes me at the moment).
Actually, I searched around some and it seems that there were many people who were excommunicated twice- makes no sense, but there you have it. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
On an interesting side note, it seems even a few Popes themselves were excommunicated by rival Popes. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
[This message has been edited by Xiahou (edited 08-28-2002).]
His name was Frederick Barbarossa II, I think it was II, Holy Roman Emporor.
I think you talk about the Papacy in Avignon in France.
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