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seireikhaan
10-04-2007, 05:08
I'll stick with my Vote: Kommodus, for reasons previously stated.
hmm... Andres, who's your mafia prediction? (random choice)
He can't say he's mafia, sorry mate
Kommodus
10-04-2007, 07:06
Ok, I apologize for my recent absence. After recent embarrassments I went back to work on Holmes, making some updates and adding some metrics I’d thought of adding earlier. The upgrades just about done, but I’ll need a little more time to collect enough data to be useful. In the meantime, I’ve done a preliminary analysis, and here are my top suspects:
Suspect: Brave_Sir_Robin
The Statistics: Both post length and frequency are noticeably down. This behavior much more closely matches his established “guilty” baseline than his “innocent” baseline. He has had success with the “lurking Mafioso” strategy in the past, and may be attempting to repeat it.
The Review: As the statistics suggest, he’s contributed little to the game. One of the few posts he has made sticks out to me as having been made for a peculiar purpose:
Looks like someone didn't get their kills in on time. Bad for mafia, good for us.
I'll Vote:Abstain for now.
Is this an attempt to portray himself as a townsperson? I see no other reason for it.
Suspect: Beefy187
The Statistics: His average post length is a bit higher than it has been in most recent games. Other statistics appear to fall within normal ranges or are too chaotic to be meaningful.
The Review: He appears to take a cavalier attitude towards the possibility of being lynched. Either he really is a laid-back townie, or it’s a reverse-psychology Mafioso strategy – an attempt to head off what has seemed his inevitable lynch in recent games. It reminds me a bit of some things I tried before…
Why the heck am i still alive? and got no votes on me yet?
Tradition mate Beefy must be lynched
That vote townies was done during the night phase. It was meant to punish the townies for not lynching me yet
Since GH got a reason to lurk ill go back to my original vote for Tran
Unvote: GH Vote: Tran
and the spinach pie theory was not my idea
Oh im soo scummy now
What better way to not be lynched than to make it look as if you don’t care?
Suspect: Xiahou
The Statistics: It seems I’m suspicious of this guy in nearly every game! Nevertheless… compared to recent games, he’s posted less, both in frequency and content. This has been pointed out, and he’s been a bit defensive about it.
The Review: The only real stand he’s taken so far has been based on the logic of someone else.
He was close to a WoG and then popped in to place a very short post.
Yeah, talk about scummy. That's a vote I can agree with.
Vote: Garcilaso
Thou speaketh not enough for my taste.
Hey, I'm not here to perform for you!
So, Caius got lynched because he posted to avoid WoG? Nobody noticed that his post was made 4 minutes after Ichigo said: "Caius, post or you will get WoG'ed", so maybe, just maybe, Ichigo has sent a pm to Caius reminding him of the game previously to that post?
Not only did I notice, that was the reason why I voted for him. His quick response suggested that he was interested in and following the game, yet lurking so much that he risked a WoG from it. That's scummy behavior in my book.
To me, he just seems a bit on the defensive side.
Suspect: Andres
The Statistics: Two metrics seem to be just a bit off here: first, his average post length is down somewhat; second, he’s jumping into the discussion a bit earlier than normal. The second can be indicative of someone who’s watching the thread more closely, taking the game more seriously.
The Review: One thing caught my attention when I was reviewing his posts:
Ok, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt GH, but tell me, if you really can't dedicate yourself to this game, why didn't you suicide?
Unvote : GeneralHankerchief; Vote : Sigurd
Because he would be a louzy politician
This could be an attempt to throw us off; the mafia certainly wouldn’t forget who was dead, would they? But this mistake is rather unlike Andres, especially since he’s been following the game so closely. This makes him a suspect, though not particularly high on the list.
Those are my top suspects at this time. So for now,
Vote: Brave_Sir_Robin
meh, I don't believe in Holmes anymore, it failed too often
Beefy187
10-04-2007, 08:51
List of players alive
Hepcat
Beefy187
greaterkhaan
CA
Andres
Brave_Sir_Robin
Zain
Sarathos
Kagemusha
shlin28
GH
Husar
Dutch_Guy
Tran
Kommodus
Xiahou
you forgot to take out gibson and factionheir
Vote: Brave Sir Robin
did that before and now Holmes underlines the reasoning though I'd also like to hear a bit more from Sarathos, he doesn't seem to be very active.
And Stig, you seem to be quite sure about your current opinion that Andres is guilty, I mean, how do you really know, is he your partner? :inquisitive:
Sarathos
10-04-2007, 12:05
Im really sorry for being inactive, Im not lurking for a change but are busy with school related activites. Shall be active again in 3 days. :2thumbsup:
woad&fangs
10-04-2007, 12:48
I have a feeling that Beefy's post length is up because he is trying harder to help the town. About his indifference to his lynching, just look at his sig. He has a knack for getting wrongly lynched based off of the dumbest reasons.
FactionHeir
10-04-2007, 12:51
List of players alive
you forgot to take out gibson and factionheir
I am quite certain I am still alive here, just not in the other mafia
And Stig, you seem to be quite sure about your current opinion that Andres is guilty, I mean, how do you really know, is he your partner?
Intuition. It works better than Holmes, looking at all the last games.
W&F might agree to that ~D
Kagemusha
10-04-2007, 14:46
And now we have two kills?:dizzy2: It seems that the mafia scumbags are mssing with us or they are just incompetent to say the least. One possibility is that Ichi has filled the game with some kind of odd special characters, but this game seems confusing to say the least. Im sticking with my hunch and Vote Beefy187.
After careful observation, I have decided to Vote:Hepcat once again. He seems even more guilty the more "inactive" he is.
I used to vote Hepcat, why not vote for him again?
Vote: Hepcat
FactionHeir
10-04-2007, 17:07
vote: beefy for thinking I'm dead. Scummy person, wants less townies to kill eh?
Dutch_guy
10-04-2007, 17:22
And now we have two kills?:dizzy2: It seems that the mafia scumbags are mssing with us or they are just incompetent to say the least.
I hope it's option number two, meaning one of the mafioso managed to not send in his kills - and we got the other one.
That's the only possibility, as I assume Ichigo would have made clear if a victim was saved at the last minute - like in other games.
:balloon2:
woad&fangs
10-04-2007, 17:24
Intuition. It works better than Holmes, looking at all the last games.
W&F might agree to that ~D
Yep, I support Stig's intuition over "Holmes" anyday.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Kommodus
10-04-2007, 18:10
meh, I don't believe in Holmes anymore, it failed too often
Ok, well there's no doubt I deserve that. But that's not what you said after Mafia VII:
Holmes didn't exactly fail to catch CR, it just never got employed for that purpose. The mistake was purely mine - and I won't make it again.
Hence why you ended up in the bin and Holmes didn't ~D
And your intuition has been remarkably good in recent mini-games. But is that all that's behind your wholesale rejection of Holmes? Did I, perhaps, name one of your partners in my list? :inquisitive:
Vote: Brave Sir Robin
Some people might have given up on Holmes, but I havnt...
Anyway, why wasnt I a suspect? Everyone finds me suspicious :idea2:
Did I, perhaps, name one of your partners in my list?
Well, no, as I'm no mafia, which Andres will find out when he will kiss my feet after the town loses.
Which he won't since he's mafia
Tratorix
10-04-2007, 20:12
Meh, looks like i'm lynched. My posting rates and such have been down because this game isn't really grabbing my attention. I wouldn't try lurking my way through a game this large. I'd be spotted as a lurker and lynched, like what is happening now. Anyways Vote: Husar. You voted me and then voiced suspicions on Sarathos and Stig. Go by your own reasoning, don't blindly follow Holmes. (FOS: Shlin for this too, and for being third on the bandwagon.:clown: )
I voted you before for inactivity BSR, then took it back and voted for Stig, Holmes just adds to that, I'm not blindly following him.
His statistics just underline that you have been less active than usual.
GeneralHankerchief
10-04-2007, 21:12
Vote: Stig
You're waaaaaaay too confident.
Vote: Stig
You're waaaaaaay too confident.
You're waaaaaaay wrong, I'm dead, you bandwagoned me
Sides I'm right, don't like it that I'm picking on your mafiapal
GeneralHankerchief
10-04-2007, 21:18
Oops.
Unvote: Stig
I still don't like it that you've labelled quite a few people as "protecting your mafia pal" though.
Name them:
You and Andres
that's 2
not quite a few
pevergreen
10-04-2007, 21:36
The above poster is scummy.
EDIT: Not stig, but GH
GeneralHankerchief
10-04-2007, 21:39
The above poster is scummy.
EDIT: Not stig, but GH
Please explain how.
After careful observation, I have decided to Vote:Hepcat once again. He seems even more guilty the more "inactive" he is.
Yeah, it probably does seem suspicious, but the truth is that I've only ever been really active in one Mafia game, and that was Andres' one when I actually had something to go on, and something to say.
I check back on this from time to time but there never seems to be anything I can add to the conversation. It's just the way I post, I read lots and lots of topics but only post if I feel I have something worth saying.
Also the school holidays end on Monday (that's Sunday for most people here) so I've been really busy doing homework I should have done last week.
:wall:
Vote: Stig
You're waaaaaaay too confident.
Wanted to do that as well but then I remembered we already did it before. ~D
Beefy187
10-04-2007, 23:17
oops sorry about that Factionheir. Must have mixed it up with the other game:wall: . I thought you got lynched last round or something. Im trying to act scummy so I could see if any fellows come lynch me. Right now im pretty sure I am the most scummy person out of Kommodus suspect. All people who havnt voted for me are either peoples who dont trust our Holmes (his pretty accurate in my part. Gosh I love reverse psycology) or lazy mafia who havnt showed up yet. I was pretty sure least one of the mafia will show up to vote for me.
Im confident that we dont have to lynch Sarathos for now. His at one of the school camps so he cant possibly send out kill orders. We shouldnt lynch Kommodus because at least Holmes are logical and I can see he is making a effort to catch the mafia (If you can analyse other players in the game that would be helpful just to make sure your not a mafia scum protecting your partner)
Just to make sure you guys knows that im innocent ill give Shlin (Because I love you:beam: ) a permission to make me suicide (if im allowed that is) because im somewhat busy today.
And I do care alot about this game. Even when im a townie (Ive only been mafia once) I never give up. Its just that I was kinda lost in this game and I kept mixing the two games up so thats why my posts were short.
Vote: Factionheir
Bah me voting is not going to kill you dont worry. I just thought me thinking your dead might be some kind of sign. I dont have any gut feeling for any players soo far. You got better chance going for BSR (listen to kommodus:yes: ) or Kage. I cant come back on for next couple of hours but if the votings not over ill change my vote.
Oh and this might be the longest post ever for me
I'll leave voting open for another 24 hours.
Vote:BSR
Looks like someone didn't get their kills in on time. Bad for mafia, good for us.
I'll Vote:Abstain for now.]Looks like someone didn't get their kills in on time. Bad for mafia, good for us.
I'll Vote:Abstain for now.I too thought that a suspicious post. Add that to his raising a flag in holmes and it's good enough to get my vote.
The above poster is scummy.
EDIT: Not stig, but GH
To echo GH: why?
Kommodus, can you post a review on all players? So we townies can make an informed decision :beam:
Kommodus
10-05-2007, 20:45
Kommodus, can you post a review on all players? So we townies can make an informed decision :beam:
I'll get to work on this when I can, but it might take a few days since I'm going away for the weekend. (Gotta help my Dad cut up some firewood!) So my time to spend on this will be a bit limited for the next few days.
Crazed Rabbit
10-05-2007, 20:54
Good grief, the mafia is lame. I mean, seriously, you can't think of any better kills than that?
CR
gibsonsg91921
10-05-2007, 22:57
is this the one i was killed or lynched? cuz if the mafia killed me, why not kill a good player?
woad&fangs
10-05-2007, 22:58
You were lynched in my mafia and killed in this one.
Dutch_guy
10-05-2007, 23:06
is this the one i was killed or lynched? cuz if the mafia killed me, why not kill a good player?
Apparently the mafia decided you weren't going to get lynched soon enough, and decided to do away with you.
:balloon2:
My bad I forgot about closing the lynch, it is closed now, I'll tally it up tomorrow or if someone else has some free time to tally it up it would be appreciated. PM's please.
Kommodus:1(kamikhaan)
BSR:4(Kommodus,shlin,Xiahou,Husar)
Hepcat:2(Zain,Tran)
Beefy:1(FH)
Husar:1(BSR)
FH:1(Beefy)
BSR has been lynched.
Still Alive:
Hepcat
Beefy187
kamikhaan
FactionHeir
CA
Andres
Zain
Sarathos
Kagemusha
shlin28
GH
Husar
Dutch_Guy
Tran
Kommodus
Xiahou
Beefy187
10-06-2007, 23:58
Kage also voted for me.
I got a little tipsy tonight and ended up staying out with a couple of friends until now. I'll have the kills up sometime tomorrow.
We should get rid of Beefy next time, he has to be mafia this time :sweatdrop:
Beefy187
10-07-2007, 12:38
I did say you can make me suicide anytime you want Shlin. Why waste a entire lynch phase on a dead guy?:inquisitive:
Post soon as possible and say "im innocent" if youre innocent so I know who I can trust.
I did say you can make me suicide anytime you want Shlin. Why waste a entire lynch phase on a dead guy?:inquisitive:
Post soon as possible and say "im innocent" if youre innocent so I know who I can trust.
What the lollipop?
I mean what's all that supposed to mean? I'm starting to think you really want to get lynched. If you really mean it, please suicide. ~D
Beefy187 was set on fire in his room.
Shlin was poisoned
Still Alive:
Hepcat
kamikhaan
FactionHeir
CA
Andres
Zain
Sarathos
Kagemusha
GH
Husar
Dutch_Guy
Tran
Kommodus
Xiahou
Craterus
10-07-2007, 18:36
Xiahou/kamikhaan... that's who I'd be voting for.
FactionHeir
10-07-2007, 18:47
Its interesting how Beefy asked for people to say "I am innocent" and only shlin responded. Both got killed.
This mafia doesn't seem to have any humor.
I've not been keeping up to date due to classes resuming, but I got a gut feeling that either Andres or CA are mafia. Can't be GH as he said he's going inactive / giving up mafia, but then he could be lying.
FactionHeir = GUILTY!!! How else could you have known the mafia's mentality :inquisitive:
gibsonsg91921
10-07-2007, 19:34
the mafia always seem to be skilled players, its not totally random in the choosing i dont think
I can't really make out any suspects, most of the suspicion brought up so far doesn't seem very useful, but as I said in other games, lynching Holmes is always a good option. ~D
Vote: Kommodus
And no, it doesn't destroy his credibility since he doesn't have any unless he gets killed(which is unlikely because it would give him that credibility).
Vote:Hepcat
I still don't like his inactivity. And I don't suspect anyone else at the moment.
CountArach
10-08-2007, 01:01
While I am usually against lynhing Kommo I don't like his lack of activity, which is quite unusual for him.
Vote: Kommodus
Sarathos
10-08-2007, 02:47
Wow, that was some real quick death write-ups...
GeneralHankerchief
10-08-2007, 02:55
Vote: Sarathos
Why do you care? It's almost as if you wanted your work described in more detail.
Wow, that was some real quick death write-ups...
I thought they were blatantly funny to be honest.
seireikhaan
10-08-2007, 03:31
the mafia always seem to be skilled players, its not totally random in the choosing i dont think
Not always, I was mafia in the first two games I played. Anyways, I STILL think Kommodus is guilty, although he's done better at covering up his faux pas earlier. So,
Vote: Kommodus.
Vote:Hepcat
I still don't like his inactivity. And I don't suspect anyone else at the moment.
Thank you so very much Zain.
:bow:
Now if you don't mind I'll Vote: Abstain because I have more than 5 school assessments to finish by the end of the week.
:2thumbsup:
Beefy187
10-08-2007, 07:24
My plan didnt quite work sorry Shlin:oops:
Now is the time when we really desperately need Holmes. But until he shows up ill do a little analysis of the test result.
My first plan was to see reaction of my post right after Holmes analysis. I tried to make my self a easy lynch target and I thought mafia would be coming after me seeing as Holmes put me in to number 2 scummy ranking and I just simply posted list of alive players to make my self even more scummy. Kage and Factionheir came after me as a result. If I was more careful with the list I wouldve got more accurate result from Factionheir.
Second plan was a to act like a complete noob. I guessed mafia would like to say "This is a mafia game. Nobody is going to believe you if you say your innocent" or something like that.
Husar is off my suspect. He went pretty close to dying in first round. If he was the mafia he wouldve been more deffencive. Kommodus is also off my list. If you must lynch him it should be in the last round or so. Holmes is still damn useful. Hepcat is also off my list if what he says is true. I heard GH is busy as well. So he should be fine. Dont think mafia makes a vote with a lousy reason in the later rounds. I believe its Sarathys nature of making little comment like that. Even his a mafia let him have his glory at least once. I doubt it. So his also off my list.
Ok that whole thing was done so I get more respects :2thumbsup: and peoples think that im not a complete idiot.:clown:
That leaves us with these peoples
kamikhaan
FactionHeir
CA
Andres
Zain
Kagemusha
Dutch_Guy
Tran
Xiahou
Im pretty sure its Factionheir for that comment he made.
And im really sorry Shlin:wall: I didnt seriously think that mafia will kill humble lot of people who claims to be innocent.
This mafia knows how to play this game. So becareful townies. And ignore beefy because his useless :smash: (Read the whole thing again. Half of it didnt make sense. Ah well)
Sarathos
10-08-2007, 08:09
Vote: Sarathos
Why do you care? It's almost as if you wanted your work described in more detail.
Woah dude settle down, I dont care, it was just a harmless comment. I was just surprised because kills are mostly described in great detail and these arent.
Plus there is no work of mine that Ichigo can describe...
Btw arent you dead?
Sarathos
10-08-2007, 08:10
I thought they were blatantly funny to be honest.
Agreed
Sarathos
10-08-2007, 08:10
Just a question, what night number is it?
Vote: Sarathos
Why do you care? It's almost as if you wanted your work described in more detail.
For someone who isn't able to comment much on the game, you do a pretty good job to pop in every round and to cast some vote without any good reasoning.
Vote : GeneralHankerchief
We need more discussion, btw.
OOC: Sarathos, why didn't you put all of that in one post instead of three? Don't tell me that you are spamming the gameroom... :evil:
Beefy187
10-08-2007, 08:40
Lol his getting his post counts up!! Punish him:smash:
pevergreen
10-08-2007, 09:35
as are you. Andres I suggest you merge the posts. The three of them are 1 minute apart, different if they were hours.
Unvote : GeneralHankerchief; Vote : Kommodus
Beefy187
10-08-2007, 11:32
At least give Kommodus some chance to defend him self. Unless your a mafia :furious3:
Kommodus is also off my list. If you must lynch him it should be in the last round or so. Holmes is still damn useful.
That's gotta be the part you referred to as not making sense, I already explained why it doesn't make sense when I voted for Kommodus. And I've explained it before in other games. Please think about it again. ~;)
I'll give you some ideas:
1. How can Holmes be useful when he's away cutting trees?
2. What on earth gives him more credibility than everybody else before he gets killed?
3. Why would he have any more credibility before the lynch than after the lynch? Ok, usually a lynch means we don't trust him, but in this case it just means we can't trust him.
4. He chose to be Holmes, that made him a rather unlikely mafia target so we are unlikely to see him get killed before the end, on the other hand we also can't tell whether he is guilty or not, delaying his lynch to the last round would be fatal if he is not guilty.
I hope that's enough for now, don't forget that he is a bit inactive and didn't include himself in his analysis unlike Mafia VII where he included himself. That might indicate he's trying to hide something.
Holmes is extremely not usefull.
Kommo only gives results on 3 people, which makes you think all others are innocent, while they are far from. Sides it's easely abused would he be mafia.
Good lynches are:
Andres
GH
Kommo
and maybe Husar
GeneralHankerchief
10-08-2007, 13:26
Unvote: Sarathos
Vote: Kommodus
Kagemusha
10-08-2007, 14:13
Vote Kommodus.:whip:
Kommodus
10-08-2007, 14:36
Heh, looks like I'm being bandwagoned. :shrug:
Regarding my inactivity, which some have commented on: like I said, I've been gone for the weekend and wasn't able to work on an analysis. I'm back now, but I still can't do it until I get home from work later this evening.
And to be honest, Husar's argument is actually quite valid - I can work just as well dead as alive, and as long as I live my conclusions cannot be taken at face value. That's why mafia have left me alive till the end in most recent games.
However, I am also one of the most popular early-investigation targets; if there's a detective in this game I hope he already investigated me. That way my results might yet be validated (or at least shown to be honest) after I'm lynched.
At the moment I'm most suspicious of FactionHeir. I'm at work and don't have time to elaborate right now, but I'll work on it later when I can. :2thumbsup:
FactionHeir
10-08-2007, 15:38
vote: Kommodus
woad&fangs
10-08-2007, 15:49
Faction Heirs vote for Kommodus seems very scummy to me. I recommend lynching him.
Faction Heirs vote for Kommodus seems very scummy to me. I recommend lynching him.
Yeah, it's between him and GH for me. Both have been behaving strangely, imo. I've got to go with my gut and...
vote: GH
woad&fangs
10-08-2007, 16:13
Yeah, it's between him and GH for me. Both have been behaving strangely, imo. I've got to go with my gut and...
vote: GH
I agree, GH is my other prime suspect
Faction Heirs vote for Kommodus seems very scummy to me. I recommend lynching him.
This I agree with :laugh4: see post 303 for reason...
Vote : GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
10-08-2007, 18:31
Care to explain how my vote for kommodus is scummy, if just about everyone else and their dog voted for him? I'm not even third on the bandwagon :laugh4:
Feel free to vote me though if you think I'm mafia. Just gets the town to lose faster.
GeneralHankerchief
10-08-2007, 21:37
I voted Kommodus because I was told to.
If we don't see a resolution to the game after his lynching then I shall vote for the person who told me to vote for Kommodus.
Voting over Kommodus has been lynched.
PM's please.
Sarathos
10-08-2007, 23:48
OOC: Sarathos, why didn't you put all of that in one post instead of three? Don't tell me that you are spamming the gameroom... :evil:
Hey Andres settle down, Im not spamming the gameroom, I just dont like to make big posts. But I will not so dont worry
Btw, why was Kommodus bandwagoned? 3 people voted him with no reason...
FOS: Andres, GH, Kagemusha and FactionHeir especially GH
Actually Vote:GH for 'being told to vote' :veryangry:
EDIT: Forgot FactionHier, sorry buddy
Sarathos
10-08-2007, 23:49
Happy Andres? That was a big post...
FactionHeir
10-08-2007, 23:53
You doublt posted again...
At least that's an improvement from seven posts in a row several times in the other mafia game.
woad&fangs
10-08-2007, 23:55
Happy Andres? That was a big post...
and you coudn't of said that in your first post?:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
Lynch the spammer :smash: :smash: :smash:
Of course, I shoudn't talk. My post count was at about 470 to start the day.
Sarathos
10-09-2007, 00:01
Dammit it, I did not double posted!!!!! :bomb:
seireikhaan
10-09-2007, 03:00
Yeah, it's between him and GH for me. Both have been behaving strangely, imo. I've got to go with my gut and...
vote: GH
FOS: Xiahou. A rather convenient way to off GH, no? Leave the little hint at the end of this round, gets the town nice and warmed up to lynch him next round. Plus, it makes sure the town doesn't trust his judgement in the end game, as opposed to him getting killed. And to top it off, you mention that you think your partner, Kommodus, is suspicious, which in in theory helps stop the town from trying to link the two of you together. And yet you didn't vote for him. Perhaps hoping the tide turns and he might get off this round? I think GH is rather too skilled at playing the mafia to let himself be caught like this. You, on the other hand, made a bit of a slip up, imo.
Beefy187
10-09-2007, 11:08
Reply to Husar (Too late ah well.)
1. I didnt know he was cutting trees. Sorry
2. Coz his post makes sense compared to otherpeoples reasoning to vote (eg bandwagon)
3. I wanted you guys to give him some chance to defend him self thats all. Lynching inactive player seems to be populer mafia tactic now days.
4. If he was guilty and been using "cutting tree" as a cover then thats just unhonourable. If any one wins an mafia game with that stuff I will hunt them down every single time when I become mafia:whip: This mafia are smart but I believe his not dirty but thats just me.
And most part of my post are not going to be logical. I follow gut feelings. And I believe unless the mafia is rather dull youll have to use some luck and gut feelings to get him.
And Husar thanks for a logical feedback instead of the usual "die beefy die" stuff. :2thumbsup:
Factionheir I think you looked scummy because you voted for Kommodus when he called you scummy. Retaliation vote:smash:
You edit to add the extra bit in Sarathos. That way people will find you less scummy.
Sarathos
10-09-2007, 12:54
Still Alive:
Hepcat
kamikhaan
FactionHeir
CA
Andres
Zain
Sarathos
Kagemusha
GH
Husar
Dutch_Guy
Tran
Xiahou
Thats a correct list is it not..?
EDIT: No its not right, please someone correct me.
FactionHeir
10-09-2007, 13:20
Factionheir I think you looked scummy because you voted for Kommodus when he called you scummy. Retaliation vote:smash:
Considering I have no idea who to vote, its quite logical to vote the person who votes you, isn't it? As I said a page back, I got a gut feeling who might be, but there is no point in voting someone when there is no chance of them getting lynched this round anyway.
As I said a page back, I got a gut feeling who might be, but there is no point in voting someone when there is no chance of them getting lynched this round anyway.
I don't understand this. If you think you have a good reason to suspect a player, then why don't you vote him and explain your vote?
Kommodus
10-09-2007, 14:12
4. If he was guilty and been using "cutting tree" as a cover then thats just unhonourable. If any one wins an mafia game with that stuff I will hunt them down every single time when I become mafia
No cover, bro, "lumberjack day" is an annual thing for me, and it just happened to fall on last weekend. Beirut I'm not, but everyone gets to pretend for a day, no? :laugh4:
I've been slow with analyses because of that and because I've been really busy with work and RL lately. But I have been working on some upgrades to Holmes and am anxious to see how they'll work, so I'll try to come up with something as soon as possible. :bow:
FactionHeir
10-09-2007, 15:16
I don't understand this. If you think you have a good reason to suspect a player, then why don't you vote him and explain your vote?
Because you open yourself to retaliation votes....
I rther discuss who to vote first and then vote with the group instead of going off alone as I used to do (unsuccessfully)
Voting over Kommodus has been lynched.
PM's please.
Hmm, I think that lynch was something of a mistake- there were certainly better candidates out there, imo. :shrug:
Andres was frozen in a freezer fastened to his sickbed.
Still Alive:
Hepcat
kamikhaan
FactionHeir
CA
Zain
Sarathos
Kagemusha
GH
Husar
Dutch_Guy
Tran
Xiahou
GeneralHankerchief
10-09-2007, 22:21
Let my crucifixion begin!
Vote: Husar
...so, why is it not over yet?
seireikhaan
10-09-2007, 22:37
FOS: Xiahou. A rather convenient way to off GH, no? Leave the little hint at the end of this round, gets the town nice and warmed up to lynch him next round. Plus, it makes sure the town doesn't trust his judgement in the end game, as opposed to him getting killed. And to top it off, you mention that you think your partner, Kommodus, is suspicious, which in in theory helps stop the town from trying to link the two of you together. And yet you didn't vote for him. Perhaps hoping the tide turns and he might get off this round? I think GH is rather too skilled at playing the mafia to let himself be caught like this. You, on the other hand, made a bit of a slip up, imo.
Vote: Xiahou. For ^ reasons.
Because it isn't over yet, my friend.
Vote : GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Tran
Now we have a threesome of sorts.:hide:
What, Andres wasn't mafia ... in that case he can come and kiss my feet after the game, as I promised him.
GH is now top of the list.
FactionHeir
10-10-2007, 00:28
I thought Andres was mafia really, but it seems he was not.
I'm not sure whether GH is, since he did post that he would give up on mafia.
Considering he is still active in this one, I am inclined to think he might well be mafia.
Other than that, who is close to getting WoGed?
seireikhaan
10-10-2007, 00:38
People, vote Xiahou! I gotta believe GH wouldn't let himself be obvious about being mafia, he's quite good at it.
Vote: Tran
Now we have a threesome of sorts.:hide:
Blasphemy!
Unvote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Husar
Blasphemy!
Unvote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Husar
If that's the reasoning you base your votes on at this stage of the game, I think I'm keeping my vote on you. :inquisitive:
I voted for you at first because I think GH is innocent and your vote for him doesn't exactly make you looks any less innocent, GH is rather experienced, he really wouldn't act as suspicious being a mafioso.
Beefy187
10-10-2007, 01:32
Vote anyone but Factionheir must die
Sarathos
10-10-2007, 02:14
Vote anyone but Factionheir must die
Care to explain why Beefy?
Let my crucifixion begin!Right, he expects to be lynched- therefore he must not be scummy. :no:
vote: GH
Beefy187
10-10-2007, 07:22
Response to Sarathos
Killing me seems to be a foolish things to do when the atmosphere was slowly turning in to "Lynch Beefy" Plus killing Shlin who often support "Lynch Beefy. Steak for us" action gives me an impression that this mafia is either inexperienced mafia or experienced mafia who is acting to be inexperienced mafia. From what ive seen soo far, I got the feeling that its Factionheir. But I dont have the votes. So its up to you lads to decide.
Sarathos
10-10-2007, 08:23
Response to Sarathos
Killing me seems to be a foolish things to do when the atmosphere was slowly turning in to "Lynch Beefy" Plus killing Shlin who often support "Lynch Beefy. Steak for us" action gives me an impression that this mafia is either inexperienced mafia or experienced mafia who is acting to be inexperienced mafia. From what ive seen soo far, I got the feeling that its Factionheir. But I dont have the votes. So its up to you lads to decide.
What ever you reckon
Beefy187
10-10-2007, 08:32
Sorry Ill stop talking. Dont listen to the dead men Sarathy. They are most likely to drag you to hell.:skull:
Its nice to see you talking Sarathos keep it up:2thumbsup:
@Ichigo: 1) how many mafiosi are there? 2) if all mafiosi are lynched, but the Serial Killer is still alive, will the game continue?
Unvote: Tran
Vote: Xiahou
Your reasons seem to be extraordinarily short this time, you're not saying all that much in general. Trying to hide?
Oh and where is dutch_guy? He didn't do anything for quite a while if I'm not mistaken.
Unvote: Tran
Vote: Xiahou
Your reasons seem to be extraordinarily short this time, you're not saying all that much in general. Trying to hide?
Oh and where is dutch_guy? He didn't do anything for quite a while if I'm not mistaken.
Haven't you something to explain?
Haven't you something to explain?
No I don't, why should I?
Dutch_guy
10-10-2007, 12:22
Oh and where is dutch_guy? He didn't do anything for quite a while if I'm not mistaken.
I realise I haven't been active, even for my doing, this game. I blame it on the exams which have taken control of my life past few days, and will do so until friday 10:10 AM.
That said, everyone is being quieter than usual, it's not just me...
:balloon2:
That said, everyone is being quieter than usual, it's not just me...
Yes, it's just that the mafia likes this because it allows them to hide.
Andres was trying to get some discussion and for that some wanted to lynch him, calling it suspicious, maybe I should look up who that was...
Dutch_guy
10-10-2007, 17:55
Yes, it's just that the mafia likes this because it allows them to hide.
Andres was trying to get some discussion and for that some wanted to lynch him, calling it suspicious, maybe I should look up who that was...
Yes, that's true.
And perhaps that's a good idea, although wanting to lynch someone - Andres in this case - even for sake of starting discussion, isn't an instant mafia tell obviously.
:balloon2:
@Ichigo: 1) how many mafiosi are there? 2) if all mafiosi are lynched, but the Serial Killer is still alive, will the game continue?
3
No
Yes, that's true.
And perhaps that's a good idea, although wanting to lynch someone - Andres in this case - even for sake of starting discussion, isn't an instant mafia tell obviously.
:balloon2:
Read my post, if you find a "maybe" or a "might" that usually indicates a high chance of me not doing it. ~D
Actually I think lynching Xiahou is a pretty good idea, he's a rather experienced player and he usually posts more, I'd like him to expand a bit on why he voted for GH since I still think that GH is innocent.
Vote anyone but Factionheir must die
I agree with you :yes:
GeneralHankerchief
10-10-2007, 20:30
@Ichigo: Okay, that explains a bit.
Unvote: Husar
I am under the assumption that we have one mafioso left going by kills and certain correspondences.
Xiahou, from experience, plays a quieter, more careful game when mafioso. I'd like to see the previous, non-upgraded version of Holmes's analysis on him as IIRC it's been quite inaccurate on him in the past, both when he was innocent and guilty.
Also,
FoS: kamikhaan
I appreciate the defense bud, but something isn't clicking.
Voting is supposed to close in an hour, but I may delay that depending on my thoughts.
FactionHeir
10-10-2007, 21:15
You still need to say who is in danger of WoG this time.
Dutch_guy
10-10-2007, 21:32
I am under the assumption that we have one mafioso left going by kills and certain correspondences.
Perhaps it's time to expand on that a bit ? You mentiond your correspondences earlier, when you voted Kommodus based on them.Apparantly you know something the rest of us don't.
:balloon2:
You still need to say who is in danger of WoG this time.
Everyone is fine, as long as you post you won't be Woged and it looks like everyone who's still alive has posted in the last night and this day.
FactionHeir
10-10-2007, 21:42
Hmmm IMO Hepcat and Zain have not been too active.
vote: Zain
More of a nudge.
Hmmm IMO Hepcat and Zain have not been too active.
vote: Zain
More of a nudge.
Zain voted the last day phase and Hep said he'd be busy with school.
Craterus
10-10-2007, 21:45
Xiahou/kamikhaan... that's who I'd be voting for.
Strike that, Xiahou and FactionHeir.
FactionHeir
10-10-2007, 21:48
Zain voted the last day phase and Hep said he'd be busy with school.
Ahh starting to lose track.
In that case, I dunno who to vote for, but will leave it like that for now.
Sarathos
10-11-2007, 03:36
Is it possible to get a tally Ichi?
Xiahou:2(kamikhaan,Husar)
Husar:1(Tran)
GH:1(Xiahou)
Zain:1(FH)
I apologize guys. I posted in the Official Post Celebration thread that I have met a girl and am devoting a lot of my free time to her lately.
So although i won't be as active, I'm still going to be able to post some votes and/or run my own Mini that's coming up pretty soon.
Either way, let's vote out Hepcat. He's the most inactive.
I still come in from time to time and try post at least once each phase. But I'm starting to wonder what Zain has against me. So, since he's so dead set on killing me, I'm going to vote for him.
Vote: Zain
~D
Beefy187
10-11-2007, 07:46
It would be real lucky if we get this mafia.. Reasons soo far is pretty poor
Sarathos
10-11-2007, 09:09
I apologize guys. I posted in the Official Post Celebration thread that I have met a girl and am devoting a lot of my free time to her lately.
So although i won't be as active, I'm still going to be able to post some votes and/or run my own Mini that's coming up pretty soon.
Either way, let's vote out Hepcat. He's the most inactive.
Congrats Zain, hope it all goes well. Even though women take alot of time, trust me, there is also be roomfor the .Org :2thumbsup:
Sorry guys :focus:
Kagemusha
10-11-2007, 09:40
Vote Xiahou. From the people voted for his behaviour seems most mafia like in my opinion.
Beefy187
10-11-2007, 09:58
Can you give us exactly what his behavior has been like?
Kagemusha
10-11-2007, 12:22
Can you give us exactly what his behavior has been like?
Well my friend he has been acting very normal. It would be stupid to think that there would be any change in behavior, in experienced mafia player like Xiahou. Some of the fresh players seem to pull off stunts that are pretty weird even when they are townies, which can result in lot of confusion amongst the town. But my reasoning for voting Xiahou is that from the people with many votes, he seems acting most mafia like.Unless we can get guilty results from pro town roles we have to go with our hunches.:smash:
It would be stupid to think that there would be any change in behavior, in experienced mafia player like Xiahou.
I would also be stupid to think that there would be any change in behavior, in experienced mafia player like Kagemusha... :inquisitive:
What about this...
Vote: GeneralHenkerchief
What about this...
Vote: GeneralHenkerchief
It shouldn't count since you did not unvote me...:juggle2:
What about this...
Vote: GeneralHenkerchief
What about explaining your vote?
Unvote
Vote: GeneralHenkerchief
Because...I just to want to get rid of him :beam:
Tally:
Xiahou:3(kamikhaan,Husar,Kage)
GH:2(Xiahou,Tran)
Zain:2(FH,Hepcat)
Xiahou has been lynched PM's please.
CA has suicided.
Sarathos
10-12-2007, 00:20
How many people are left now? Cant be many, the question left is how many town are left??? Me!!! :2thumbsup:
Still Alive:
Hepcat
kamikhaan
FactionHeir
Zain
Sarathos
Kagemusha
GH
Husar
Dutch_Guy
Tran
Sarathos
10-12-2007, 12:01
Ok day phase, Dutch_Guy was going down buddy? where is the activity?
Same for you Tran, GH has been a little slake also. This is not over yet guys there is still mafia to be lynched!
Beefy187
10-12-2007, 12:21
Well you cant do much coz its night phase.
Husar was attacked by one of the strange doctors, but managed to fight him off and save himself.
Hepcat has been murdered.
Begin Day 7
Still Alive:9
kamikhaan
FactionHeir
Zain
Sarathos
Kagemusha
GH
Husar
Dutch_Guy
Tran
FactionHeir = Teh Guiltyz :laugh4:
BLAST BLAST BLAST AND DOUBLE BLAST!
:bow:
Hm,, guess that means Husar has been confirmed innocent. :shrug:
I bet with some simple vote analysis you could catch any remaining mafia. Look at all confirmed innocents, starting with Husar, and see if anyone has consistently voted for known innocents. Find out who it is, and lynch them. :yes:
GeneralHankerchief
10-13-2007, 04:06
It's Hankerchief, dude. With an A.
Anyways, my two suspects are Tran and kamikhaan. Tran's being really annoying but something isn't right with khaan.
vote: kamikhaan
Hello people, now that I'm confirmed innocent maybe you will believe me that I'm the detective and found Sigurd and Kommodus to be guilty in the nights before I got them lynched. I also know that my investigation in the night before I got attacked was blocked by someone. This might explain that there was just one kill during that night. And that's about all the info I will give for now, not going to say who I found innocent for now, maybe this helps but then I don't see any obvious connections between Sigurd or Kommodus and anyone else.
I'm pretty sure they have some evil plan though. :shrug:
In related news I investigated Sarathos last night and he turns out to be guilty...
Vote: Sarathos
And thanks for proving me innocent. :2thumbsup:
Beefy187
10-13-2007, 06:22
Wasnt expecting that coming:oops:
You heard him all lynch Sarathos:whip:
In related news I investigated Sarathos last night and he turns out to be guilty...
Vote: Sarathos
And thanks for proving me innocent. :2thumbsup:
Thanks for the info, Husar :bow:
Unvote
Vote: Sarathos
Let's lynch him
Sarathos
10-13-2007, 07:45
Good old medic...
Hey guys whats going on here??? How did I prove you innocent??
Beefy187
10-13-2007, 07:55
Somebody attacked Husar which means his innocent (or not.. He couldve been attacked by vigilante but i doubt it)
So lynch Sarathos
And that's about all the info I will give for now, not going to say who I found innocent for now, maybe this helps but then I don't see any obvious connections between Sigurd or Kommodus and anyone else.Why on earth wouldn't you say who you know to be innocent? That's fishy.
Kagemusha
10-13-2007, 08:26
Maybe in order to confuse the mafia,if there are any left.:smash: Vote Sarathos. Game over bad guy.:titanic:
Sarathos
10-13-2007, 08:43
So can you prove Im guilty? Did you actually investigate me or are you just pointing the finger...?
Kagemusha
10-13-2007, 08:49
Let me just say that someone did investigate you:whip: .
Sarathos
10-13-2007, 09:28
So that could mean Husar is mafia....
So that could mean Husar is mafia....
Husar got attacked last night, so he's probably innocent. You should be the third mafioso.
Husar, just in case Sarathos is the SK and not the last remaining mafioso, please post your list of innocents. If you get killed next night, you can no longer reveal the names of those who are innocent.
So that could mean Husar is mafia....
Yeah, it could mean that I'm mafia and you are the nice guy and that's why I was searching for reasons to lynch Sigurd and Kommodus, I was already surprised that noone noticed how I put a bit more effort into these two lynches than the others I voted for which were pretty much on a best guess basis. :wall:
I also wasn't saved by a doctor I believe since I had an extra life if I was being attacked. That was a very convenient thing to know since it would give me an extra round to reveal, like I did.
As to the reason for not saying who is innocent, when I made the post I didn't have the investigation result yet, I got it after posting from Ichi in the chatroom. Giving the info to the last mafioso will just make sure they're his next targets. I don't see what's fishy about that. I knew that Andres was innocent and there might have been reasons why I refused to vote for this or that player. :sweatdrop:
Now let me expand, I found Sigurd and Kommo guilty, but that doesn't mean they're mafia, if Sigurd was a serial killer(we had three kills only in night one) then there would be two mafiosi left, Sarathos being one of them(unless we lynched one without knowing). Now if sigurd was mafia, then they got three kills with three mafiosi and two kills with two or one mafiosi, probably being able to swap one or both with a blocking action. I know that because last night I tried to investigate dutch_guy but my action was blocked for the first time, we also saw only one kill in that round. This would also explain the fluctuating number of kills over time.
I think the theory that Sigurd was a serial killer is somewhat unlikely, my guess is that the game will end after Sarathos is lynched, but then I don't feel like taking chances so I won't give the names of confirmed innocents yet.
And Sarathos, nice try but that just shows you're afraid of getting lynched. ~D
Dutch_guy
10-13-2007, 10:28
I'll believe you for now, Husar, but I still don't quite understand why you wouldn't list those who are confirmed innocent. Surely the mafia knows who's innocent, and the list shouldn't make any difference whatsoever concerning their kills. Especially with only one of them left.
Vote: Sarathos.
Yeah, it could mean that I'm mafia and you are the nice guy and that's why I was searching for reasons to lynch Sigurd and Kommodus, I was already surprised that noone noticed how I put a bit more effort into these two lynches than the others I voted for which were pretty much on a best guess basis. :wall:
I also wasn't saved by a doctor I believe since I had an extra life if I was being attacked. That was a very convenient thing to know since it would give me an extra round to reveal, like I did.
As to the reason for not saying who is innocent, when I made the post I didn't have the investigation result yet, I got it after posting from Ichi in the chatroom. Giving the info to the last mafioso will just make sure they're his next targets. I don't see what's fishy about that. I knew that Andres was innocent and there might have been reasons why I refused to vote for this or that player. :sweatdrop:
Now let me expand, I found Sigurd and Kommo guilty, but that doesn't mean they're mafia, if Sigurd was a serial killer(we had three kills only in night one) then there would be two mafiosi left, Sarathos being one of them(unless we lynched one without knowing). Now if sigurd was mafia, then they got three kills with three mafiosi and two kills with two or one mafiosi, probably being able to swap one or both with a blocking action. I know that because last night I tried to investigate dutch_guy but my action was blocked for the first time, we also saw only one kill in that round. This would also explain the fluctuating number of kills over time.
I think the theory that Sigurd was a serial killer is somewhat unlikely, my guess is that the game will end after Sarathos is lynched, but then I don't feel like taking chances so I won't give the names of confirmed innocents yet.
And Sarathos, nice try but that just shows you're afraid of getting lynched. ~D
:balloon2:
Beefy187
10-13-2007, 13:35
You seem to defend more vigorously when ur were not mafia.
You being the mafia explains the activity lvl and increase of noobish questions. I guess you over did it. Even if we get this one wrong we still got 7 left. So lynching Sarathos would be the best chance.
GeneralHankerchief
10-13-2007, 13:49
Nice going Hus. Sorry I doubted you.
Unvote: khaan
Vote: Sarathos
seireikhaan
10-13-2007, 16:54
Vote: Sarathos. Hope I don't need to explain this one.
So Sarathos' mafia eh? Guess I was wrong bout you FactionHeir, Sorry! :clown:
Vote: Sarathos
I believe the investigation.
FactionHeir
10-13-2007, 17:13
So Sarathos' mafia eh? Guess I was wrong bout you FactionHeir, Sorry! :clown:
I'd vote you, but you are dead :laugh4: Does that make me scummy?
Voting over Sarathos lynched.
PM's please. Night eight.
I think the theory that Sigurd was a serial killer is somewhat unlikely, my guess is that the game will end after Sarathos is lynched, but then I don't feel like taking chances so I won't give the names of confirmed innocents yet.That still doesn't make any sense, the mafia know who's innocent already. There's no risk in telling who's innocent- it just tells us who else we know we can trust. That much should be obvious, which is why it makes it seem fishy that you pretend not to understand the benefit in confirming townies innocent. :inquisitive:
FactionHeir
10-14-2007, 00:38
Looking how Sarathos was lynched and the game still isn't over although we were told of 3 mafia, I am inclined to say that Husar may be Mafia or Serial Killer.
He would be targeted by the role that he was not and there is maybe a doctor role which happened to protect him that night.
Beefy187
10-14-2007, 00:53
Sarathos doesnt deny him being the mafia. So im pretty sure the lynch was the right one. If the game doesnt end then either Husar is lying or someone told Husar to lie.
Sarathos
10-14-2007, 01:22
Looking how Sarathos was lynched and the game still isn't over although we were told of 3 mafia, I am inclined to say that Husar may be Mafia or Serial Killer.
He would be targeted by the role that he was not and there is maybe a doctor role which happened to protect him that night.
Thank you FactionHeir, someone agrees with me. GG Husar, you and your mafia buddies will win this one. I dont know why you guys never learn, the game never ends with me being lynched yet thats what all you guys vote for, oh well your mitakes. Be cruel mafia, be very cruel!!!
Oh and Beefy, what do you think I have been doing for the last 5 posts....dening I was mafia, der.........
Beefy187
10-14-2007, 02:56
Hey its not game over yet..
Still 7 ppl to go when 2 ppls die. Get the lynch right and still Then if the game doesnt end you still get one more chance.
And everything you did seemed scummy Sarathos and the defence you made was encouraging to lynch you.
Well, the only innocents I found were Andres, GH and Kagemusha. And how exactly does that help us now except for that they'll die tonight if the game isn't over yet? :inquisitive:
About time I reveal the fact that I was one of the doctor roles, and I did protect Husar on the night he was attacked. I will not reveal the other person with a doctor role however, I'll leave that up to them.
The town had better figure out who the remaining killer is otherwise I will be very sad that I died defending someone and we still lose. :cry:
About time I reveal the fact that I was one of the doctor roles, and I did protect Husar on the night he was attacked. I will not reveal the other person with a doctor role however, I'll leave that up to them.
The town had better figure out who the remaining killer is otherwise I will be very sad that I died defending someone and we still lose. :cry:
Hehe... Wasn't it I that kept voting for you?
:holmes:
In related news I investigated Sarathos last night and he turns out to be guilty...
Vote: Sarathos
And thanks for proving me innocent. :2thumbsup:
Nice going Husar :2thumbsup:
I believe the game is won due to your excellent investigation skills.
I think Ichigo mentioned 3 killers for this game.
Craterus
10-14-2007, 21:33
Not yet.
Husar was sitting in the cafeteria of the hospital sipping on his cup of coffee. He thought that it tasted a little funny but didn't think anything of it. Later that night Husar was found dead in his room, he was poisoned with an unknown substance.
Still Alive:7
kamikhaan
FactionHeir
Zain
Kagemusha
GH
Dutch_Guy
Tran
I thought Sarathos was lynched??
I thought Sarathos was lynched??
I am only human Sigurd.
Well then, I have no idea who's the remaining evil...
kamikhaan
FactionHeir
Zain
Kagemusha
GH
Dutch_Guy
Tran
And that left us with only five suspect, including me...
GeneralHankerchief
10-15-2007, 01:56
7 alive, 2 cleared by Husar's death.
I'm gonna go with teh gut.
vote: kamikhaan
FactionHeir didn't vote Sarathos last round, he is most probably the...
Beefy187
10-15-2007, 02:56
Can we even trust Husar?
Sarathos
10-15-2007, 07:49
Can we even trust Husar?
Can we even trust you Beefy...
I thought you guys should know now the the game never ends when I am lynched, Husar was either very lucky or he lied.
But it sucks to be you Husar, revenge comes to those who make a bad lynch. Now the rest of you shall follow..... :evilgrin:
What are you talking about? I never claimed the game would end, like I said, Sigurd might have been a serial killer or other guilty role, which would mean we have at least one mafioso left. That isn't really surprising if you consider that we had two doctors and I had an extra life which was obviously spent last night(since Hepcat died he couldn't protect me, otherwise I should have an investigation result from kamikhaan now, but I don't).
I'd go with kamikhaan for now, my second best guess would be Zain.
The others seem to have alibis, mostly because some guilty guy named them as suspects. ~D
Beefy187
10-15-2007, 09:49
Its just Sigurds reaction I thought its a bit strange. Im pretty sure Sarathos were the mafia looking at the reaction. Didnt you say Kommodus was guilty as well? His inactivity shows that he had some kind of guilty role. If its 1 kill per night then you got no rush I suppose.
Its just Sigurds reaction I thought its a bit strange. Im pretty sure Sarathos were the mafia looking at the reaction. Didnt you say Kommodus was guilty as well? His inactivity shows that he had some kind of guilty role. If its 1 kill per night then you got no rush I suppose.
If my theory is correct and Sigurd was a lone serial killer, then he wouldn't know who the mafia are either. Ichi said three mafiosi, that doesn't mean that there wasn't anyone else who might return a guilty result.
I think it's two kills per night or one kill and one block. My guess is they attempted to kill me last night and blocked someone else who they thought could be a doctor trying to protect me.
What makes me think that Sigurd was a serial killer or other non-mafia role is that the first night was the only night with three kills, the mafia usually get two kills no matter how many of them are left. His kill was probably the third one (he killed Waldinger btw ~;) ) so after that we were left with three mafiosi who tried to block people sometimes which would explain the fluctuating kill numbers.
It's not like I didn't say that before though... :sweatdrop:
Beefy187
10-15-2007, 11:16
Did Ichigo say 3 mafia?
I thought he said 2 mafia and 1 serial killer.
In that case im with you all the way. :2thumbsup:
@Ichigo: 1) how many mafiosi are there? 2) if all mafiosi are lynched, but the Serial Killer is still alive, will the game continue?
3
No
That should explain why Sigurd was the serial killer, if we had lynched three mafiosi, the game would be over with only the serial killer left. However we got the serial killer and two mafiosi, after the next one the game should end.
That is, unless he is really good and we lynch the wrong guys.
I think kamikhaan then Zain at the moment but it wouldn't really hurt if other people would raise their voices, there are mostly quiet people left which was/is most likely the mafia goal.
I don't really suspect kamikhaan, therefore I want to know why both of you (Husar) and GH suspected him?
At the moment I only place my suspicion on FactionHeir, who didn't vote Sarathos in the previous round.
I agree somewhat with everyone at this point.
I see suspicion for FactionHeir and I see suspicion for Kamikaan. But other then that... :shrug:
Still alive:
kamikhaan
FactionHeir
Zain
Kagemusha
GH
Dutch_Guy
Tran
According to Husar, we can exclude Kage and GH. That gives us:
kamikhaan
FactionHeir
Zain
Dutch_Guy
Tran
Hmmm... I wonder why Dutch didn't post yet this round...
FactionHeir
10-15-2007, 13:47
I'm just kind of losing interest in that one, which is why I posted but didn't actively vote.
Besides, I was not quite sure whether Husar was bluffing or for real.
I'll vote:Zain this time though
Kagemusha
10-15-2007, 14:48
I would also like to see Dutch, posting a bit. It was afterall Husars investigation of Dutch_Guy that was blocked. For now Vote Dutch Guy.:inquisitive:
Well, Kommo did make a faked Holmes post here when many still thought we could believe him, he mentioned BSR, Beefy, Xiahou and Andres as guilty. I shouldn't have to say that this analysis was most likely faked to some degree since they're all dead and the game isn't over yet.
Later he said that FactionHeir was his prime suspect now, that was shortly before he was lynched.
Sarathos wanted to make dutch_guy, Tran and GH looks suspicious, that makes them most likely innocent. He also mentioned GH and FactionHeir, see here:
Hey Andres settle down, Im not spamming the gameroom, I just dont like to make big posts. But I will not so dont worry
Btw, why was Kommodus bandwagoned? 3 people voted him with no reason...
FOS: Andres, GH, Kagemusha and FactionHeir especially GH
Actually Vote:GH for 'being told to vote' :veryangry:
EDIT: Forgot FactionHier, sorry buddy
Ok day phase, Dutch_Guy was going down buddy? where is the activity?
Same for you Tran, GH has been a little slake also. This is not over yet guys there is still mafia to be lynched!
So we're left with kamikhaan and Zain and after reading a few of their posts again, kamikhaan actually seems rather innocent while Zain on the other hand, well, see for yourself:
Wow, that was some real quick death write-ups...
I thought they were blatantly funny to be honest.
Agreed
Ah well, they are just having a small chat (about how funny their kills are? :dizzy2: )but no, wait it goes on, kinda...
Congrats Zain, hope it all goes well. Even though women take alot of time, trust me, there is also be roomfor the .Org :2thumbsup:
Sorry guys :focus:
I'd say there is at least what we could call a "connection"...
Later he said that FactionHeir was his prime suspect now, that was shortly before he was lynched.
That's a very good reason not to exclude FactionHeir from our list of suspects...
Dutch_guy
10-15-2007, 15:31
Hmmm... I wonder why Dutch didn't post yet this round...
That might have something to do with me eating breakfast at the time of your post. And I've also PMed Ichigo with a question regarding the mechanics of the game, which I wanted to have answered before I posted this round.
:balloon2:
Craterus
10-15-2007, 20:19
Oooh, I'd vote Zain. If I were alive :sad:
Dutch_guy
10-15-2007, 20:52
Okay all, i've got an announcement to make.
I am St. Andrew Avellino, and have the ability to save one person from the murdering physicians every night. My partners are St. Catherine, Hepcat[already revealed], and St. Christopher who may reveal when it pleases him. The catch with the doctor roles is that we could only save one person each night, including ourselves, and we had to agree on the person. When one of us died, the others were then able to continue their work. Sadly, due an unfortunate miscommunication, St. Christopher and I sent in two different names - thus cancelling each other out. Causing the death of our detective...
I will be protected next round, if an extra round is needed, and I will not vote this round - in order to protect my partner.
:balloon2:
Craterus
10-15-2007, 21:10
Well, THAT changes everything.
kamikhaan/Zain/FactionHeir/Tran - One's Mafia and one's St. Christopher?
GeneralHankerchief
10-15-2007, 21:39
We can't trust whoever says he's Saint Christopher now that the information is out. :wall: What should have been done is that somebody else should have revealed and then Dutch could've confirmed the truth.
Well, that brings us down to four. I'm sticking with my guns, although after the Zain thing I'm not so sure...
We still have one more round if we get it wrong. I'd advocate kamikhaan just to clear my conscience and make my last Mafia game before I take my extended break end on a good note (assuming he's guilty). Then Zain.
If it's FH or Tran, well done guys. The four remaining suspects are all suspicious to some degree or another.
Okay all, i've got an announcement to make.
I am St. Andrew Avellino, and have the ability to save one person from the murdering physicians every night. My partners are St. Catherine, Hepcat[already revealed], and St. Christopher who may reveal when it pleases him. The catch with the doctor roles is that we could only save one person each night, including ourselves, and we had to agree on the person. When one of us died, the others were then able to continue their work. Sadly, due an unfortunate miscommunication, St. Christopher and I sent in two different names - thus cancelling each other out. Causing the death of our detective...
I will be protected next round, if an extra round is needed, and I will not vote this round - in order to protect my partner.
:balloon2:
Wait... so was Hepcat mafia or not? I'm confused for some reason. :confused:
No, he was not mafia.
*Accuses FactionHeir once again, even though the original reason had long been lost...*
No, he was not mafia.
*Accuses FactionHeir once again, even though the original reason had long been lost...*
Oh... crap.
Sorry about that then... :laugh4:
Why you sorry? (Searches thread for some hint...)
Why you sorry? (Searches thread for some hint...)
Because for the first... like... 5 rounds I voted him because I didn't see anyone else worth voting for.
Dutch_guy
10-15-2007, 22:56
Wait... so was Hepcat mafia or not? I'm confused for some reason
Oh... crap.
Sorry about that then... :laugh4:
Huh ? You already knew that for a fact, judging by this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1710465&postcount=439) post.
...
:balloon2:
Huh ? You already knew that for a fact, judging by this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1710465&postcount=439) post.
...
:balloon2:
I thought then that it was decided that he was mafia, so I was proud of myself for voting him.
I'm not anymore though. :embarassed:
khaan:1(GH)
Zain:1(FH)
DG:1(Kage)
If someone doesn't break the tie I will.
GeneralHankerchief
10-17-2007, 01:33
Are the three people that voted allowed to?
Husar's analysis is the only reason why...
Vote: Zain
Zain has been lynched.
PMs please.
Sarathos
10-17-2007, 08:26
Alive list please...
Okay... you guys just lost.
Very smart Husar, thanks a lot.
Okay... you guys just lost.
Very smart Husar, thanks a lot.
No problem.
I wonder if Husar was the real mafia...
I wonder if Husar was the real mafia...
He got killed last night... After an attack on him failed the previous night...
What more prove of someone's innocence do you need?
still alive:
kamikhaan
FactionHeir
Kagemusha
GH
Dutch_Guy
Tran
I am of course guilty according to Husar so.. you should probably not listen to me.
I am going to say this though:
You guys should be able to get the last Mafioso next round if Dutch reveals his partner.
We know there is only one Mafioso left and when the partner of Dutch confirms, we would know Dutch and his partner is innocent.
The mafia will only be able to kill one player every round...
You guys are so close, yet you do not speculate or post theories. Come on, one last effort.
You guys are so close, yet you do not speculate or post theories. Come on, one last effort.
Hmmm... Are you a mafioso in dire need of some extra information/tips before deciding together with his scummy partner what would be the best kill choice...?
Besides, are we sure about D_G's innocence? Am I trying to confuse you, dirty mafioso, by alluding that D_G is not onto our list of confirmed innocents to avoid that he gets killed by your partner or do we really doubt his innocence... What would the mafia do if I told them that I know for a fact that Tran is D_G's partner...?
Hmmm...
Maybe killing Tran, making it impossible for him to confirm D_G's innocence by a reveal after dead, might be a good option for you, mister mafia. Oh wait, wasn't it FactionHeir instead of Tran? Hmmm, or maybe kamikhaan is innocent after all...? Difficult, difficult...
It might be better to kill the 100 % confirmed innocents, like GH or Kage...
Oh, this is getting confusing. I wouldn't know who to kill if I would be a mafioso in this game.
It's annoying when people start messing with your mind, isn't it, dirty mafioso?
GeneralHankerchief
10-17-2007, 15:07
I'd like Hepcat to confirm that his actual (Saintly) name is correct, and for Dutch to reveal his partner.
-edit- I'm having second thoughts about khaan. :wall:
Dutch_guy is innocent and seems to be saying the truth.
If Sigurd actually was the serial killer I don't see why he would support the mafia, he has lost anyway so he could just as well side with the town.
Though some of his thoughts were obviously wrong, the mafia still has two kills, they killed me and Hepcat in the same round after Sarathos was lynched. Apart from that Andres is right about their kill choices, why would they kill someone else than Kage next night? :inquisitive:
You're right about the theories Sigurd but your own is full of holes. ~;)
I still think FactionHeir is mafia :2thumbsup:
Craterus
10-17-2007, 19:20
It's probably Tran.
Dutch_guy is innocent and seems to be saying the truth.
If Sigurd actually was the serial killer I don't see why he would support the mafia, he has lost anyway so he could just as well side with the town.
Though some of his thoughts were obviously wrong, the mafia still has two kills, they killed me and Hepcat in the same round after Sarathos was lynched. Apart from that Andres is right about their kill choices, why would they kill someone else than Kage next night? :inquisitive:
You're right about the theories Sigurd but your own is full of holes. ~;)
Ok.. I was wrong about the one kill (they killed only one for a time, no?). Was that due to there being blockers.
My other points are good though.
The Mafia will obviously try to get two of the three confirmed innocents and one of them will be protected.
My guess is Dutch is protected and he will name his parter in the next round. That means the Mafia have a 50/50 chance to get Dutch's partner unless the partner is either GH or Kage.
Tough choices Mafia... Will you be able to endure to the bitter end?
Sarathos
10-17-2007, 23:37
Or you could stop supporting your mafia buddies and help the town win....
Naming names like that is quite careless of you Sigurd, secretly giving targets to your mafia buddy to kill. Since FactionHeir has been quite inactive I do believe Sigurd is feeding him info and FH is doing the write-up.
Plus he is not on the list of innocents, either is him or Tran. Lynch them both and we shall find out.
GeneralHankerchief
10-18-2007, 00:07
I think it's rather obvious that judging by Sigurd's sudden reappearance that he is trying to throw the town on the wrong track. He's a very smart (and careful, which is probably more important) guy and I don't think there's much hope in gleaning any information out of his posts. Therefore, it's probably best to just ignore him.
We have three choices after the kill: Tran, kamikhaan, and FH.
Hopefully Dutch will be protected and clear one of the three as his partner. I am not the partner, and I sincerely hope Kage isn't either.
Judging by my quick parses of the thread (I've had slightly more time to reread recently), here's what I've seen:
Tran has the highest profile out of the three, posting in every round. He persistently went after me with little explanation until Husar cleared me a couple of rounds ago, after which he quickly switched to another target. I don't know whether he's been mafia or not before but this is certainly the most active I remember him being. He's my Choice #2 unless confirmed.
FactionHeir has been very low-profile, especially in the later rounds where WoG is irrevelant. I attribute this to KotR as I know for a fact that he has been really immersing himself in the game recently. However, he has been active in Zain's mini-game recently. In the beginning of the game gibson and I were joke-voting him although he reacted pretty well and didn't set off any alarms. I do not think he is guilty.
kamikhaan is also inactive, although I can't think of an explanation why. He's kept a fairly low profile throughout the game, IIRC, although he hasn't really been adequately pressured. Skilled enough player to dodge and I think he's won by coasting before. For some reason his defense of me a few rounds back has really twinged my alarms, although that's all I have on him. I have a feeling that he's our man.
Or you could stop supporting your mafia buddies and help the town win....
Naming names like that is quite careless of you Sigurd, secretly giving targets to your mafia buddy to kill. Since FactionHeir has been quite inactive I do believe Sigurd is feeding him info and FH is doing the write-up.
Plus he is not on the list of innocents, either is him or Tran. Lynch them both and we shall find out.
Nice try Sarathos, but since it is highly likely that Sigurd is the serial killer while you're a mafioso, his connection to the mafia is rather nonexistant while you certainly have an agenda. If Sigurd were trying to give hints to his mafia buddies he'd do that via PM, you know most people who are inactive and log on again get the PM before they read the thread. your accusation is completely baseless and just shows us further that you were guilty. We also shouldn't get the chance to lynch both, trying to buy time for your buddy?
edit: GH has a point about kamikhaan, people who agree with someone too often are usually guilty. ~D
And Sarathos ignores him.
Tran was hung from the roof of his room with his own belt.
Still Alive:5
kamikhaan
FactionHeir
Kagemusha
GH
Dutch_Guy
GeneralHankerchief
10-18-2007, 02:23
:dizzy2: I guess he was the other doc?
Vote: kamikhaan
seireikhaan
10-18-2007, 02:38
Frankly, I am rather surprised the mafia killed Tran. I was going to vote him this round, I though he seemed the most suspicious to me.
Vote: FactionHeir
With DG, GH, and Kage apparently innocent, and obviously I know I myself am innocent. Therefore, that leaves us with only one choice, FactionHeir.
And if you people want a reason as to not vote me, I do have at least one: look at the games I have been mafia in. I have always attempted writeups, with the exception of one mini game in which Sapi did all the writeup. Furthermore, all of my writeups have followed a theme with the assailant. No such thing in this game, and I don't think Ichi would go out of his way to make sure that there wasn't any writeups if the mafia wished so. Heck, just look at the most recent mini-game I was in, I had a common assailant, a common weapon of choice, heck, even had a common word used in all of the kills. Lastly, GH, look back at the games I was mafia and measure your lifespan in those games compared to this one. When I've been mafia, I've always had you killed off early.
woad&fangs
10-18-2007, 02:49
Kamikhaan is right. He did a very nice job with write ups in my game. Why would he write his kills for a small game but not for a big one.
Vote FactionHeir everybody
I should have voted FactionHeir. Lynch him, people!
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