Shame on you, University of Victoria Student Society

[Goofball]

The UVic Student Student Society recently voted to ban the Canadian Armed Forces from it's career fair. Apparently they think their little lambs aren't smart enough to make their own decisions and will be too easily swayed into a life of raping young children, burning villages, and looting museums by the silver-tongued recruiters.

Fortunately, there has been such an uproar from the student body about this ivory tower decision that the SS has backed off of their decision and will allow the matter to be put to a vote by the general student population.

I sincerely hope that these kids do the right thing.

A couple of links:

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonist/news/story.html?id=8acff5b4-f8a8-4139-9bf3-d147d59fabc2&k=82382

http://www.rbcinvest.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/LAC/20070925/BCMASON25/Headlines/headdex/headdexEducation/3/3/5/

[Kralizec]

"We have to make this decision for students," Ms. Comrie was quoted in the student newspaper, The Martlet, as telling the meeting.

A colleague seemed to concur: "I'm all for students having open debate," said Caitlin Meggs, the society's director of academics, "but the point is that you can't have a debate if you're not fully informed."

Ugh....:thumbsdown:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Director-at-large Christine Comrie said it was important to ban the military because some students didn't know the facts about Canada's role in Afghanistan.

"We have to make this decision for students," Ms. Comrie was quoted in the student newspaper, The Martlet, as telling the meeting.

A colleague seemed to concur: "I'm all for students having open debate," said Caitlin Meggs, the society's director of academics, "but the point is that you can't have a debate if you're not fully informed."

Why am I not surprised?

'Open debate' requires shutting up one side.

CR

[Ironside]

So I guess that every company that doesn't also presents the downsides of the job should be banned then from UVSS as well? And that's not even going into the rumoured part yet.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Frankly, I think they should ban every company that has more than three employees, otherwise the students may be co-opted unwittingly into the military-industrial-capitalist-pigopolies and spend their expendable lives as unthinking drones.

It's the only way to protect these gentle flowers of our youth.

[Navaros]

In recent years Canadian Armed Forces have been morphing from a peacekeeping force, to a warmongering force akin to Bush's.

Therefore, it serves them right if they are no longer welcome to be promoting themselves in schools.

[Crazed Rabbit]

So banning people you don't agree with from what is supposed to be the epitome of intellectual discourse and open mindedness is alright then?

CR

[Watchman]

"Arseholes the lot of 'em."
- Cmdr. Samuel Vimes, Ankh-Morpork City Watch

I seem to agree with CR on something. This gives me a queasy feeling.

[Boyar Son]

Wow, these guys are in charge of defending Canada right?

so now they want to get rid of them? sheesh....

[Navaros]

Wow, these guys are in charge of defending Canada right?

so now they want to get rid of them? sheesh....


That kind of a moot point since if Canada got attacked by the USA, it would never ever be able to defend itself anyhow.

And if Canada gets attacked by any other country, then chances are it still wouldn't be able to defend itself anyhow. But that doesn't matter since the USA would come bail Canada out with the US army.

Therefore, having Canadian Forces or not pretty much doesn't really make any difference either way.

[Watchman]

*shrug* Sovereign states are pretty much required to have an army on general principles. Quite literally comes with the territory.

[Goofball]

In recent years Canadian Armed Forces have been morphing from a peacekeeping force, to a warmongering force akin to Bush's.

As a Canadian "warmonger," I take exception to that. I know that you personally feel Afghani women should have been forced to stay in their place wearing their beekeeper hats, pleasuring their husbands, scrubbing the floors, and receiving helpful beatings from the benevolent Taliban if they happen to be caught on the street without their father or husband (for their own good of course, Allah be praised), but most of us in Canada happen to disagree with such barbaric drivel.

[Beirut]

That kind of a moot point since if Canada got attacked by the USA, it would never ever be able to defend itself anyhow.


Anytime brother, anytime. :evil:

You really think we've been your neighbours for 200 years and not learned a few things about your weaknesses?

[Whacker]

Anytime brother, anytime. :evil:

You really think we've been your neighbours for 200 years and not learned a few things about your weaknesses?

Donuts? :idea2:

[Boyar Son]

Anytime brother, anytime. :evil:

You really think we've been your neighbours for 200 years and not learned a few things about your weaknesses?

yes.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Anytime brother, anytime. :evil:

You really think we've been your neighbours for 200 years and not learned a few things about your weaknesses?
That and every rural resident and his mother has a firearm, at least in Ontario.

[woad&fangs]

Donuts? :idea2:
:laugh4: buy me a Bismarck doughnut and I'll humbly bow to my new Canadian overlords. Oh, and I'm pretty sure that University students can make an educated descision about whether or not the military life is for them.

[Beirut]

yes.

Step 1: Make sure they underestimate you.

Working like a charm, baby, working like a charm. :sunny:

[Watchman]

Aye, verily (http://www.satirewire.com/news/feb02/warship.shtml). :yes:

[Boyar Son]

Step 1: Make sure they underestimate you.

Working like a charm, baby, working like a charm. :sunny:

Step 2: Have Texan as president and carry tactical nukes

wait are there texans over there? I'm just kidding beirut

PS: :unitedstates: :unitedstates: :unitedstates: :unitedstates: :unitedstates: :unitedstates:

[Strike For The South]

Texans enjoy canadians much more than they do people from miami. Texans are also peaceful and would be able to settle this over beer lots of beer.

[Boyar Son]

we just need you to act tough ok?

let the complicated things such as grammar be handled by the rest of the country ok?

understand?

PS not this again sfts

[Seamus Fermanagh]

So far, invading Canada, we're 0 for 2.

Beirut and company have already created a "poison pill" for anyone dumb enough to take over Canada -- they inherit the Free Quebec stuff at the same time.

All in all, I'll leave them to their well-intentioned health care and surging loonie.

[Strike For The South]

we just need you to act tough ok?

let the complicated things such as grammar be handled by the rest of the country ok?

understand?

PS not this again sfts

Oh wow bash my grammer really going out there on a limb arent ya big'un. I dont have time for you and dont want Goof's fine thread closed. goodbye

[Don Corleone]

Anytime brother, anytime. :evil:

You really think we've been your neighbours for 200 years and not learned a few things about your weaknesses?

This is at least the 3rd time I've told you particularly this, Beirut, and I've said it more times than I count...

Navaros is CANADIAN!!! :canada:

[Don Corleone]

And we don't claim KCossack either. I think he's Capo's parallel. :clown:

[Navaros]

Aye, verily (http://www.satirewire.com/news/feb02/warship.shtml). :yes:

I too can provide evidence of Canada's battleship capability.

https://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j235/NavarosX/Battleship.jpg

[Beirut]

This is at least the 3rd time I've told you particularly this, Beirut, and I've said it more times than I count...

Navaros is CANADIAN!!! :canada:

And that's why we love him. :daisy:

[Whacker]

Meh, from what I gather Quebec is just like Texas. Both are filled with obnoxious people with a inflated self view of themselves and their territory, and we wouldn't feel the least bit bad if those respective regions fell into the oceans w/all inhabitants.

/me pets itchy and STFU

:balloon2:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well, yeah, but when you talk about 'your weaknesses' in conversation with Navaros, you're talking about Canada's weakness. ~;p

If we were to invade Canada, I'm all for a short advance until we take over the southern BC ski resorts (whistler or bust!). We can let the Canadians keep everything else.

If I learned anything from Michael Moore's movies its that Canadians go crazy when you insult their beer.

CR

[HoreTore]

I'm all for a US - Canada war.

It'll make things easier... Much easier...

[Azi Tohak]

Frankly, I think they should ban every company that has more than three employees, otherwise the students may be co-opted unwittingly into the military-industrial-capitalist-pigopolies and spend their expendable lives as unthinking drones.

It's the only way to protect these gentle flowers of our youth.

:laugh4:

Nevermind preparing students for how real-life is going to be tough. Better keep them happy and ignorant. If they can't hack working 70 hours a week (or a 100 or 120) then the welfare state, funded by people who can hack it, will be able to provide for them.

Azi

[Ronin]

Well....one would expect that a university would try that it´s pupils grew up to be more than cannon fodder...

but hey...to each his own :book:

[Boyar Son]

And we don't claim KCossack either. I think he's Capo's parallel. :clown:

who the hells capo?

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

A Maoist chap we used to have on here. We haven't heard from him in a while, I think he was going to volunteer as an aid worker in Darfur.

[Boyar Son]

A Maoist chap we used to have on here. We haven't heard from him in a while, I think he was going to volunteer as an aid worker in Darfur.

so he's sorta like a dictator/jerk?

I'm not like that.....

[Watchman]

AFAIK Maoism is a brand of revolutionary Communism (there's a honest-to-God Maoist revolutionary movement in was it now Burma, actually) - not that much to do with the person of Chairman Mao Tse-Tung really.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

A Maoist chap we used to have on here. We haven't heard from him in a while, I think he was going to volunteer as an aid worker in Darfur.
Maoist? Capo of Arabia? He always struck me as more like Panzer in political beliefs.

[Kralizec]

Well....one would expect that a university would try that it´s pupils grew up to be more than cannon fodder...

but hey...to each his own :book:

One would expect a university to give as broad as possible view of your career options as possible, therefore not exclude one particular employer because students could "do better then that", or politically correct nonsense.

But maybe that's just me :wall:

[Ronin]

One would expect a university to give as broad as possible view of your career options as possible, therefore not exclude one particular employer because students could "do better then that", or politically correct nonsense.

But maybe that's just me :wall:

I never looked at getting killed as a career....

and I wouldn´t say that saying that joining the military if you are a college graduate is a dumb idea as "politically correct"...

quite the contrary.

[Kralizec]

I think you should read the article and find out what the actual reason was why the university banned the Canadian military from its career fair.

[AntiochusIII]

I think the Student Council really oversteps its bounds considering the comments from the members.

I know it's an anti-military sentimentality and all that, but if you're in a place of authority then you should at least act as if you're worthy of it: as impartial as possible.


so he's sorta like a dictator/jerk?Hey! Capo's a nice guy! He's not around anymore though.

His actual user name right now is actually Kaiser of Arabia.

AFAIK Maoism is a brand of revolutionary Communism (there's a honest-to-God Maoist revolutionary movement in was it now Burma, actually) - not that much to do with the person of Chairman Mao Tse-Tung really.I think you mean Nepal. It had a lot of problems with the Maoist rebels relatively recently. Went off under the news radar as far as the rest of the world's concerned.

Burma is chock full of military junta types and the people they oppressed; there aren't any major revolutionary movements hiding in the jungles there that I know of at least.

Maoist? Capo of Arabia? He always struck me as more like Panzer in political beliefs.I think the Lord of the Frontroom is being a teeny little bit ironic.

[Boyar Son]

Hey! Capo's a nice guy! He's not around anymore though.



well I mean, his ways of thinking, besides what have I ever done to earn the title "parrallel of Capo"?

[HoreTore]

well I mean, his ways of thinking, besides what have I ever done to earn the title "parrallel of Capo"?

Perhaps.... Extensive trolling...?

[Boyar Son]

Perhaps.... Extensive trolling...?

trolling is has absolutely nothing to do with the topic, I gave opinions that dealt with the topic. Others were mad at the opinions I gave and overreacted. Then it got to flaming once you all started flaming my opinions and trolled first.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Perhaps.... Extensive trolling...?

Capo was a less extreme version of Panzerjager - much less extreme in some ways.

CR

[Blodrast]

trolling is has absolutely nothing to do with the topic, I gave opinions that dealt with the topic. Others were mad at the opinions I gave and overreacted. Then it got to flaming once you all started flaming my opinions and trolled first.

No, you were trolling then, and you're doing it again.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Perhaps we could return to the subject of the thread rather than bandying accusations and opinions of other members' views?

Thank you kindly.

:bow:

[Boyar Son]

No, you were trolling then, and you're doing it again.

Wait a minute BG.

1.How am I trolling right now?
2.did I insult you?
3.why are you trying to pick a fight?
4.why are you overreacting?
5.why are you quick to judge others?

hmm maybe you're trolling!

on topic: the military should've been left alone, after all it is a career option and these college students should be smart enough to make their own opinion.

[Goofball]

Sigh...

BG, I think my thread has run its course. I will take no offense if you decide to close it now.

:bow:

[Louis VI the Fat]

quickly in then: I am a bit struggling with the subject. On the one hand, I would prefer for the military to stay far away from the university too.
I can fully relate to this: The Student Union Building is truly the only space on campus that is for students and run by students," said Ho. "They feel strongly about not having the military in their space actively recruiting them in their own space.

On the other, there is something very patronising about it. And some of the remarks from the student council are simply beyond arrogant. Why can't they just say what they mean: that they dislike the military and don't want them on their home turf.
They are making a fool of themselves with their ridiculous reasoning:
Director-at-large Christine Comrie said it was important to ban the military because some students didn't know the facts about Canada's role in Afghanistan.
"We have to make this decision for students," Ms. Comrie was quoted in the student newspaper,

Reasoning like that reminds of generals coming up with constant new and ever so ridiculous excuses why gays shouldn't be allowed in the army.



A Maoist chap we used to have on here. We haven't heard from him in a while, I think he was going to volunteer as an aid worker in Darfur.Funniest thing ever! :laugh4:

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Well, I'm glad somebody got it.

[Banquo's Ghost]

Thanks to everyone who made a positive contribution.

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