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Hulaku
09-13-2002, 09:05
I finally am making my way through the strat guide, and learning the assumptions and modelling behind the game. The only aspect I found myself completely disagreeing with was that in the list of vices and virtues, any attraction to art just results in a drain on the exchequer -- "Art lover" is -10% agricultural incomee, -10% trade; "Artistic leanings" gets you -5% of both; and a full blown "Artistic temperament" gets you bleeding a full -20% agricultural income and the same in trade.

Yes, sure, art costs money. But any history of art and patronage will show you that art produces tangible benefits in morale, nationalism, and zeal. This is why kings and courts competed to attract the best artists. Many rulers were Phillistines and boors as far as aesthetics were concerned -- they had no "Artistic temperaments"; but they spent money on art because it resulted in a magnification of their own glory, which resulted in a less restive populace, and so on.

Besides, much medieval art had religious themes as subject. So, at the very least, great art resulted in an intensification of zeal.

So -- come on, devs, a goodly chunk of cash spent on art should result in some sort of positive effect on the populace as well. Otherwise, your modelling seems to argue that medieval art was just frivolous consumption by the well-fed and well-heeled, and only that. Which is just... well, ahistorical.

-- Hulaku

Major Robert Dump
09-13-2002, 09:10
Everyone knows that having a bunch of "artsy-fartsies" in town helps encourage pick-pockets and loose women. The connection to agriculture should be obvious.

andrewt
09-13-2002, 09:14
I disagree with the philosophy thing more. The last one, with head up in the clouds, I agree with but the first few should be bonuses instead of minuese.

Kraellin
09-13-2002, 11:59
i think the indication here that a leader with the 'art' v&v is that indeed, he has his head in the clouds and is ignoring the more economical duties of his province. i also agree that great art was a prime stimulus for piety, zeal, trade and loyalty (happiness). i can also see that agriculture might suffer.

the v&v's imply one ruler's influence in a particular arena and how he affects that province. it would seem that in the case of 'art' we are talking about someone who is spending way too much time with his private collection and not paying enough attention to provincial concerns. you could almost, in this instance, have said 'bohemian' instead of 'art'.

just a guess :)

the ones that crack me up are the ones that seem to directly conflict each other, like i had one guy who was both a heretic and a fanatic, or something like that.

K.


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The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.

spmetla
09-13-2002, 12:21
I love the extreme opposites.

Try this:
Execute all rebels
Then next time theres rebels
Release them all

You'll have a +10 happiness and plus one dread.

+DOC+
09-13-2002, 13:57
Hi K,

Maybe he's fanatical about being a heretic? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Wart
09-13-2002, 17:15
Got a general at the mo who's both a 'glutton' and a 'good runner'.
Well the mental image bad me smile anyway http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

Dragon
09-13-2002, 17:19
btw, are generals who are "glutton" easier to hit with arrows due to increased size ? ;-)