KMPC: HRE OOC Thread

[pevergreen]

This is the out of character thread for the Holy Roman Empire in the Kingdoms multiplayer campaign.

This post will be edited with further information at a later date.

[Ferret]

This post will now be used to outline the rules as Peevergreen doesn't have time.

Player list:

Kaiser ...: Elite Ferret
Prince Nikolaus: Zim
Other general (can't remember name): open

rules (copied heavily from KotR):

Electors

All players, except the Emperor, are Electors, even if they hold another rank. It is the lowest rank in the game and all new players begin at this level. As an Elector, you may speak in the Imperial Diet, propose one Edict per session, vote on Edicts, and vote for Chancellor. You are not required to follow the orders or suggestions of the Kaiser, but he has the ability to bestow and remove ranks and privileges. If you have ambitions to rise to a higher rank, carefully consider whether the Kaiser will approve of your actions or not.

It is important to remember that you can only freely propose one personal Edict per Diet session. Choose an issue that is important to you and think very carefully about how you word it. A poorly worded or unimportant Edict can easily be ignored and forgotten. The only way you can propose more than one Edict per Diet session is through the approval of the Kaiser.

Electors will be provided with avatars on the basis of seniority; first come, first served. Generals are the most popular avatars and there may be a waiting period to obtain one. Agent avatars can usually be obtained quickly, but are not as complex and are not really suited for players who wish to rise to a higher rank. If you take a general as an avatar, you will be expected to fight any battles the avatar gets into, assuming he commands the army. You will have 48 hours in which to fight the battle after you are notified about it. When that time expires, the battle will be autoresolved, which could result in the death of your avatar. If you do not want to fight battles and there is a shortage of generals for avatars, please do not accept one. If you want an avatar but do not wish to fight, please consider using an agent.

Counts

Counts are prominent nobles within the Reich. The title of Count can be bestowed upon an Elector by the Kaiser. The role of Count is identical to that of an Elector with a general avatar, with a few exceptions.

A Count rules over one of the settlements (city or castle). The Count may, at his discretion, determine the order in which buildings are created in that settlement (build queue). The Chancellor is not required to build anything in the settlement, but if something is built, it must be in the order determined by the Count. The Count can also set the tax rate in his settlement, if it is a city. Counts gain a small influence bonus during votes on Edicts and in elections for Chancellor. Counts can name an heir to take over their lands when they die.

All Counts can be stripped of their titles and lands at any time and for any reason by the Kaiser.

Emperor (Kaiser)

The Holy Roman Emperor is the supreme head of the Empire. It is a hereditary position. (Note: This is not historical, but there’s no way to change this in-game.) The Emperor is the most powerful man in the entire Empire. The Emperor gains an influence bonus equal to his authority during votes on Edicts and in elections for Chancellor.

First, the Emperor presides over the Imperial Diet. It is his job to maintain order in the Diet and ensure that it runs smoothly. If there is a dispute about the Game Rules, the Emperor will make the final decision about the proper manner to follow the Rules.

Second, Emperors decide which player-controlled avatar, if any, a Princess should marry.

Finally, Emperors can automatically assume the position of Chancellor for the first term after they are crowned. This power is not subject to Diet vote and no one can run against them. However, the Emperor still has the limitations of Chancellor while in office, which means he can be impeached by the Diet in exceptional circumstances. Any further attempts by the Emperor to be Chancellor must go through the normal election process.

The Kaiser is also responsible for promoting and demoting Counts. The Kaiser may give any Elector with a general avatar the rank of Count. He may take away their lands at any time or switch their lands as he sees fit.

Prince (Prinz)

The Prince is a largely unimportant role, significant mainly because he is the heir to the throne and will become the next Emperor. Unlike the title of Emperor, the title of Prince is added in addition to any other titles the player holds. This gives the player a small influence bonus during votes on Edicts and in elections for Chancellor. The Prince’s only duty is to preside over the Diet when the Emperor is absent.

There is no control over who becomes the new Prince once the current one assumes the throne. Like with the Emperor, this is a limitation imposed on us by the game itself. With luck, the role will only fall on players who seek to be active in the game. (*cross your fingers!*)

In practical terms, players must always remember that the Prince will inherit the throne, thus gaining power over the Houses through his ability to allocate newly conquered provinces. If you make an enemy of the Prince, your House might find itself smaller than the others when he becomes Emperor.

Chancellor

The position of Chancellor is an important and powerful one. In game terms, the Chancellor is the person who actually plays the M2TW game. Unlike the other positions, you shouldn’t think of the Chancellor in the sense of what he can do, but rather what he cannot do. He is essentially playing the single player M2TW campaign with the following restrictions:

The Chancellor must obey the Game Rules and Edicts that have been passed by the Diet. Failure to do so can lead to impeachment by the Diet.

The Chancellor decides whether buildings are to be constructed in all settlements. If a settlement has a build queue from a Count or the Kaiser, then he must build the items on that list in the order listed. However, he does not have to build anything at all if he does not want to, he only has to follow the build queue if he does decide to build something. If a settlement has no build queue for whatever reason, the Chancellor can build whatever he likes.

The Chancellor moves the armies and hands out saved games to be played by the appropriate generals. He can fight battles that his avatar is commanding whenever he wants without pause, but must give other players 48 hours to fight their battles. If a player exceeds the time limit or if the battle is lead by a Captain or a general that is not represented by a player, the battle must be autoresolved. The only exception to the Chancellor’s control over the armies is the Kaiser's army.

Essentially everything else is free game. If there isn’t a Rule or Edict about it, the Chancellor can do whatever he wants. The Chancellor’s term last for 10 game turns (20 game years), but he can run for re-election if he wishes. In recognition for his contributions, the Chancellor gets a small influence bonus during votes on Edicts and in elections for Chancellor, even after he leaves office.

[pevergreen]

They will come when I have time.

[Ferret]

:bump:

[Ferret]

please feel free to sign up, there may be a third faction but I haven't decided yet and I'll see how popular this becomes.

[Zim]

Is this still intended for a hotseat game? I'm not sure if I could get very attached to my avatar if the battles are autocalced. :sweatdrop:

[Zim]

At any rate, even with autocalced battles, I think I have time to join this. I'll take Prince Nikolaus.

[Ferret]

battles with the AI will be fought (at least offensive ones) and it will be down to the chancellors honour not to break this rule and fight player controlled factions. I think adding a third faction may be better if we are going to sacrifice battles, or maybe just a normal PBM but a smaller Kingdoms version?

[Zim]

I'm not sure. The smaller more regular KOTR type pbm could work well, and with few players. Otherwise, I'm not sure how many factions would be best. I gues sit depends on how many people play. Remember, you'll need at least 3 people each for the KOTR type factions, it could be hard to get those and a couple faction leaders.

I have some code that enables you to fight battles defensively. :yes:



battles with the AI will be fought (at least offensive ones) and it will be down to the chancellors honour not to break this rule and fight player controlled factions. I think adding a third faction may be better if we are going to sacrifice battles, or maybe just a normal PBM but a smaller Kingdoms version?

[Ferret]

well seeing as there are only 3 players at the moment perhaps we should just play a mini-kingdoms KotR then? I think it would be more fun than a hotseat with a tonne of rules.

[Zim]

Sounds good to me. Would you prefer HRE or the Order? The latter might allow some nice variety in units for people who have been playing KOTR. On the other hand, the HRE is good, too. :yes:

Heck, if this works well, maybe after this one a different campaign could be tried. Like the Norse in Britannia, or Spanish in Americas.

[Ferret]

TO sounds good, I'll put up a new thread tomorrow when I actually know what avatars there are :P

If Gibson doesn't mind we could use some of the rules he came up with.

edit: hang on this is exactly what gibson's idea was earlier on! He can be the mastermind behind the plot if he wants

[gibsonsg91921]

we can do it! i got the rules codified. tbh i prefer regular pbms to hotseats, although hotseats have their charms at lan parties.

[Zim]

:2thumbsup: Then, as EF said, you're the boss. Feel free to set up a thread for the new game, I'll post in it right away.

You guys can take the Hoch and Ordenmeisters, if you like. I don't mind playing a regular general for now.


we can do it! i got the rules codified. tbh i prefer regular pbms to hotseats, although hotseats have their charms at lan parties.

[gibsonsg91921]

ill be anyone. but i guess ill be hochmeister if i have to.

[Ferret]

I'll dig your old thread out of the depths of the Throne room :)

[gibsonsg91921]

im posting now, dont bother

[Zim]

ill be anyone. but i guess ill be hochmeister if i have to.

You don't have to if you don't want to. I'll take the first avatar noone claims. :clown:

[gibsonsg91921]

ill be hochmeister. i can take it lol - i just wont be kanzler (kotr chancellor) ever. the thread is up, i even gave it a cool name!