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Interesting article - I wonder how true it is?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071110/wl_nm/chile_summit_dc
Awww you beat me to it, yeah he put a nice rubber ball in Chavez craving little mouth. King of Spain, we had our differences but way to go :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:
Papewaio
11-11-2007, 07:58
Is that KOAS (King of Ancient Spain) telling a communist to shut up? I wonder what chief thinks?... I say pick a number between 98 and a hundred.
Unelected, hereditary institutions should learn to shut up and leave democratic, brilliant leaders to help people and get on with business.
Bloody cheek.
Unelected, hereditary institutions should learn to shut up and leave democratic, brilliant leaders to help people and get on with business.
Bloody cheek.
Brilliant leader getting trouble with us over a few crappy islands. He kept calling former pm of spain Aznar a facist, guy can't stand not being the cream of the show, and became a bit confused when the audience wasn't hangig on to every single word he said, even 'el diablo' didn't do it this time por favor wtf?? Of course this weren't leftist usa students but leaders.... tough crowd
Unelected, hereditary institutions should learn to shut up and leave democratic, brilliant leaders to help people and get on with business.
Bloody cheek.
Right.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
11-11-2007, 10:18
Unelected, hereditary institutions should learn to shut up and leave democratic, brilliant leaders to help people and get on with business.
Bloody cheek.
Do you know anything about recent Spanish history, such as the fact that the King restored democracy?
InsaneApache
11-11-2007, 11:43
Do you know anything about recent Spanish history, such as the fact that the King restored democracy?
IIRC he believes history to be irrelevant and human nature unexistant. :dizzy2:
IIRC he believes history to be irrelevant and human nature unexistant. :dizzy2:
That's what I would do if I was a socialist... declare the history where human life was irrelevant naturally unexistant :inquisitive:
This make you happy JAG?
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
?? Led to a lot
LOL ! Freakin political soap opera.... translated to gaming terms:
Hey Ch@v3z u h@x0r !!! STFU or 1 WTFpwnj000 !!!!
Mouzafphaerre
11-11-2007, 13:45
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The Yahoo article is somewhat obscure. So is the BBC one (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7089131.stm) but gives a few more details.
The outburst came after Mr Chavez called former Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar a "fascist".
Mr Chavez then interrupted Spanish PM Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero's calls for him to be more diplomatic, prompting the king's outburst.
[...]
Mr Chavez called Mr Aznar, a close ally of US President George W Bush, a fascist, adding "fascists are not human. A snake is more human."
Mr Zapatero said: "[Former Prime Minister] Aznar was democratically elected by the Spanish people and was a legitimate representative of the Spanish people."
Mr Chavez repeatedly tried to interrupt, despite his microphone being turned off. The king leaned forward and said: "Why don't you shut up?"
According to reports, the king used a familiar term normally used only for close acquaintances - or children.
Go King! :laugh4:
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ICantSpellDawg
11-11-2007, 13:47
Zapatero is a Socialist and he was defending Aznar. I'm sure his words were a diplomatic "Shut-up". Chavez is going to get himself and his neighbors into a bit of a scrap.
BTW living in Western Europe it's hard to for most to concieve or imagine a real capitalism, because we've not seen it for a very long time. All of Western Europe is most defintely socialist.
The whole system here is socialist. It's a great system too, only the salaries definetly suck big time. I'm talking upper class & upper middle class salaries, not the salaries of the comman man, (which are more regulated by the government).
To be a manager or executive in a corp here, not only do you pay very heavy taxes, you also don't get paid anything in comparison to the exact same job in the USA. I won't even go into what social support you pay as an entrepreneur.
Strike For The South
11-11-2007, 17:18
You people no nothing of the spainish language. Shut up has different connotations in spainsh than English. Its not that much of an insult
Just wondering why these essays are so dangerous
Ser Clegane
11-11-2007, 17:39
I have the feeling that if Chavez was to join the org he would be a very interesting "Backroomer" but would also accumulate quite some warning points :beam:
Unelected, hereditary institutions should learn to shut up and leave democratic, brilliant leaders to help people and get on with business.
Bloody cheek.
Despite that he was not elected, the spanish king is probably the most successful promoter of democracy among living political leaders.
Louis VI the Fat
11-11-2007, 18:22
Bah, a bumbling Bourbon versus a ranting revolutionary. I don't care much for either. '¿por qué no te callas?' are the exact words of Juan Carlos (John Charles?). That is inappropriate languange in diplomacy. Here is a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrC6_uBe4eA) of the incident. (Spanish) Later on, Noriega of Nicaragua fumed about Spain, and the Spanish king walked out.
Iberian temperament? Bunch of schoolchildren I would say. Zapatero kept his cool though. I quite like him.
Lorenzo_H
11-11-2007, 19:01
The King of Spain is a legend. Absolute classic.
Monarchies unite!
master of the puppets
11-11-2007, 20:21
I like how the good king handled it, rather than dealing with Chavez as a disrespectful and incendiary politico, he treated him like a disrespectful and incendiary teenager. Shut Up!
SwordsMaster
11-11-2007, 20:29
Monarchy 1, Democracy 0.
Lots of street cred for His Catholic Majesty :whip:
hahahhahah
'por qué no te callas?'....'why don´t you shut up?'
KING FTW!!! :2thumbsup:
Soulforged
11-11-2007, 21:39
Bah, a bumbling Bourbon versus a ranting revolutionary. I don't care much for either. '¿por qué no te callas?' are the exact words of Juan Carlos (John Charles?). That is inappropriate languange in diplomacy. Here is a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrC6_uBe4eA) of the incident. (Spanish) Later on, Noriega of Nicaragua fumed about Spain, and the Spanish king walked out.
Iberian temperament? Bunch of schoolchildren I would say. Zapatero kept his cool though. I quite like him.
After seeing the video I cannot quite tell when the king says anything resembling a "shut up", maybe that video isn't complete. Also I couldn't hear a single word of what Chavez said, except something like "racista" (racist). It will be good to know what Chavez was saying before I laugh of him....Well I'll do it anyway :laugh4:.
EDIT: Ok I've heard it now, in another video, he doesn't say "shut up" plainly, he says "why don't you shut up" like Redleg's article said. I think it's irrelevant, I've heard many of these and even worse, also Chavez doesn't give a crap about that and just keeps speaking.
PanzerJaeger
11-11-2007, 22:21
Both Spain and South America could benefit from a resurgence of fascism to combat this guy. He'll soon undermine democracy throughout SA.
If this becomes a big media humiliation, I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to kill the good king.
Boyar Son
11-11-2007, 22:38
no more comments from Jag?
not much of a debate since it looks like everyone supports the king, including me.
InsaneApache
11-12-2007, 00:15
I almost posted a reply. :sweatdrop:
Marshal Murat
11-12-2007, 01:17
a resurgence of fascism
Surely there are still some SS survivors in Brasil.
Chavez Reply (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SROTLG0&show_article=1)
Chavez basically accuses the King of supporting a coup against him in Venezuela. Heck, if someone rear-ended his car, he'd be jumping around about 'Fascist!' and 'He's trying to overthrow me!!!!'
Both Spain and South America could benefit from a resurgence of fascism to combat this guy. He'll soon undermine democracy throughout SA.
If this becomes a big media humiliation, I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to kill the good king.
Since Spain..and my own country suffered under Fascist dictatorship´s I believe the opinion of the general population of both countries would be 'thanks but no thanks'...
actually I´m just being polite...the actual response would surely include a series of colorful expletives and threats of physical violence....:furious3:
Chavez basically accuses the King of supporting a coup against him in Venezuela. Heck, if someone rear-ended his car, he'd be jumping around about 'Fascist!' and 'He's trying to overthrow me!!!!'
Hopefully Chavez doesn't believe his own press, because if he does sooner or later he will self destruct. Which could be very dangerous for the people of his nation.
Chavez basically accuses the King of supporting a coup against him in Venezuela. Heck, if someone rear-ended his car, he'd be jumping around about 'Fascist!' and 'He's trying to overthrow me!!!!'
That's his standard response to anyone who doesn't agree with him.:yes:
Evil_Maniac From Mars
11-12-2007, 04:32
Both Spain and South America could benefit from a resurgence of fascism to combat this guy. He'll soon undermine democracy throughout SA.
Fascism to combat somebody undermining democracy?
:inquisitive:
Boyar Son
11-12-2007, 07:20
I almost posted a reply. :sweatdrop:
wuhdya mean almost?^^^
finnaly someone tells chavez to shutup, what a big mouth
Crazed Rabbit
11-12-2007, 07:26
Unelected, hereditary institutions should learn to shut up and leave democratic, brilliant leaders to help people and get on with business.
Bloody cheek.
Quite. Chavez had no place criticizing Aznar.
CR
Update
Comrades! The king of Spain is a crazed bull, I repeat a crazed bull, but I am a great matador
http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/archives/images/HugoChavez.jpg
Tribesman
11-12-2007, 12:38
Do you know anything about recent Spanish history, such as the fact that the King restored democracy?
Yeah I bet that made Franco spin in his grave , imagine having your friend and named succesor overturn all you had worked for:2thumbsup:
Now if he had made those moves instead of working with the dictatorship all those years it would put him in better standing, or if he had made the move when he was Francos replacement during the dictators illness it would elevate him somewhat (then again it may well of sent him to an early grave) .
Quite. Chavez had no place criticizing Aznar.
Why not ? Aznar went to war on false pretences against his populations wishes and then tried to use terrorist attrocities for his own political gain , he is the bloke who bestowed national honours on fascist Spains equivalant of the gestapo.
Aznar is a scumbag who deserves criticism by anyone , anywhere at any time .
Prodigal
11-12-2007, 13:17
The king lent forward, pointed at Chavez & basically said, "You, shut it" then sat back, link to it on youtube is, here (https://youtube.com/watch?v=VBGHer3yFyc)
About the King of Spain. In 1981 some insignificant (re: the edit, I think you'll find that was an anotomically correct observation), general took over the parliment waving a gun about & saying that he was going to take over where Franco left off and calling on the army to rise up, the king went on TV said that he was the head of the army & pretty much ordered them not to...And they didn't, which anyway you look at it is a pretty stand up thing to do.
HoreTore
11-12-2007, 14:04
The only good king, is a king who has several laws prohibiting from speaking his mind on anything other than whether he likes to fish or not.
If he even thinks about thinking of politics, it's Guillotine time.
Kings make good advertisements, but nothing more. Oh, and they raise the sales of german gossip magazines.
The only good king, is a king who has several laws prohibiting from speaking his mind on anything other than whether he likes to fish or not.
If he even thinks about thinking of politics, it's Guillotine time.
Kings make good advertisements, but nothing more. Oh, and they raise the sales of german gossip magazines.
Well he actually did politics twice in his career.
The first time was when he promoted democracy after the death of franco, helping to make Spain change from a 1930's fascist system to a modern democracy.
The second time was when he acted against the military during the coup attemp at the cortes in 1981.
His acts were decisive in both cases.
Although a king, this man really deserves respect for what he did for his country.
Tribesman
11-12-2007, 20:49
Well he actually did politics twice in his career.
You neglect to mention the other time he actually did politics...when he headed Francos dictatorship while Franco was ill .
Louis VI the Fat
11-12-2007, 23:20
Both Spain and South America could benefit from a resurgence of fascism to combat this guy. Don't talk nonsense. Your heroes are pathetic little creeps. Macho pricks with shiny boots and reflecting sunglasses. They think they are all that, yet they only ever dare to stand up to anything in the company of many like-minded creeps armed with big guns. Preferably at night, or in dark dungeons.
Pathetic. Despicable.
Soulforged
11-13-2007, 00:25
Fascism to combat somebody undermining democracy?
:inquisitive:
Don't take Panzer seriously, he's either lost or joking all the time. I hope for his good that he's not taking it seriously either...
Aznar is a scumbag who deserves criticism by anyone , anywhere at any time .Exactly. What is most worrying about this whole, otherwise irrelevant political joke is the fact that we see commentaries such as Panzer's or spaniards giving hate speeches all over the internet.
We south americans do some practical jokes with our motherland but that's it, they're stepping over the line and being racist, I don't know about Aznar, but Chavez would be right to call many an spaniard racist, it's unbelievable to witness the things that many of them still believe...Of course they're probably teenagers, so perhaps I'm taking this too seriously, who knows...
Louis VI the Fat
11-13-2007, 00:40
...Of course they're probably teenagers, so perhaps I'm taking this too seriously, who knows...As a tip: don't rely too much on what you read on the internets. It is full of silly 15-year old schoolboys.
Take YouTube commentary, for example. Dear God, one would fear for the end of civilisation after reading a few pages of that. :no:
I did notice the Spanish were rather racist towards South Americans. Actually, I didn't, I thought they were indifferent to them. That lasted until I travelled a bit in the company of a crispy white Latino from Columbia. What difference did that make. Boy, was he welcomed everywhere.
(as a painful anecdote, I also once learned Latin Americans have a different concept of whiteness. In Europe, there's the 'one drop of blood' whiteness. That is, if there is a trace of non-white in you, you are not white. People will ask you about it. 'Where are you from? No, I mean your ancestors. No, I mean, your foreign ancestors'.
In Latin America, so I learned, unless you are clearly mestizo, mulatto or whatever, people of mostly European ancestry consider themselves white/European. This I learned after an embarrassing conversation I had when I inquired about the origins of a Chilean friend of mine...)
I did notice the Spanish were rather racist towards South Americans.
My Spanish Professor is from Mexico and she always makes fun of the director of Romance Languages because he a guy from Spain.
With a heavy, sometimes broken accent "He's from Spain so he thinks he's so good" :laugh4:
Evil_Maniac From Mars
11-13-2007, 02:13
Yeah I bet that made Franco spin in his grave , imagine having your friend and named succesor overturn all you had worked for:2thumbsup:
As far as I know, Franco requested a return to democracy in his will.
PanzerJaeger
11-13-2007, 06:24
Don't talk nonsense. Your heroes are pathetic little creeps. Macho pricks with shiny boots and reflecting sunglasses. They think they are all that, yet they only ever dare to stand up to anything in the company of many like-minded creeps armed with big guns. Preferably at night, or in dark dungeons.
Pathetic. Despicable.
What happened when they stood up to France? ~;)
Don't take Panzer seriously, he's either lost or joking all the time. I hope for his good that he's not taking it seriously either...
Not joking all the time, but in this thread.... who knows.. :quiet:
HoreTore
11-13-2007, 08:53
Well PJ, I really doubt that fascism will save south america, when you consider that they've already experienced a fair bit of facism with, shall we say, "disappointing" results...
Tribesman
11-13-2007, 09:43
they've already experienced a fair bit of facism with, shall we say, "disappointing" results...
The disappointing results are a sign of racial weakness , they allowed the capitalists , communists , freemasons , homosexuals , Jews and gypsies to subvert their plans , such weakness shows that they were unworthy of the title of fascist .
Afonso I of Portugal
11-13-2007, 10:53
This was really funny, but "Porque no te callas?" is different from "Why don't you shut up?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOcMXRh6elg
In Spanish and other latin languages this is not exactly an insult same way anglo-saxonic culture, it is more like someone saying "Quiet, it's my turn to speak now!" or "I'm speaking right now!" or something like that.
Soulforged
11-13-2007, 18:00
Not joking all the time, but in this thread.... who knows.. :quiet:
:laugh4: Well knowing your opinions and how much I disagree with them I better take them as jokes, otherwise I don't know how I could react.:no:
Well PJ, I really doubt that fascism will save south america, when you consider that they've already experienced a fair bit of facism with, shall we say, "disappointing" results...Yep. Not only that but many argentinians and chileans (speaking for personal experience) are also of the opinion of Panzer, and I despise them with all my heart :2thumbsup: . I remember a lot of people saying: "But the dictatorship saved us from communism, from the "zurdos"" (that's how we call leftists, "zurdo" is a person whose main hand is the left one), I wonder how that's a good thing, if they're talking about extremes then they're just trading in blood with one extreme for the other. They don't care about the people tortured, killed and separated from their families at birth, for them it's either a lie or was the necessary thing to do. One thing is to hear teenagers from rich neighbors (that's where the most supports comes from), but another one is to hear this from government functionaries, and other educated people, who are evidently not that much educated.
I remember not so long ago one of the mothers from the disappeared (called "Madres de Plaza de Mayo" or simply "Mothers of the Pain"), the leader in fact, gave a presentation in a private school filled with spoiled teenagers, telling her story and asking for opinions. The teens were fixated (womans and man alike) in the fact that what was good about the dictatorship was that, again, "it saved us from communism, or leftist regimes in general", that's not even true, but they believe that crap anyway. When she said to one of the main voices in the classroom: "But what do you think about taking their babies (for they I mean the prisoners) and giving them to other families, erasing their identity completly, and many times killing and torturing the mother?", the guy meditated for a second and said, "Well I'd say that the babies got a better education...".
That was totally off topic, and I better avoid the subject if I want to be rational about this whole thing.
As a tip: don't rely too much on what you read on the internets. It is full of silly 15-year old schoolboys.Believe me I don't, but sometimes is hard to avoid them and read how deep a person can fall, I either feel sad or laugh at it, depending on the occassion.
Hey ever wondered what would have happened if France had a mirror on Sout America? I mean they had their colonies here and still have some islands (if I'm not mistaken) but I'm talking more like a relationship such as USA with England, Latin America with Spain and Brasil with Portugal. I mean, we still consider, in our hispano world, that the king of Spain or the president has to be present in our internal meetings or as a third party for reconcilations, when I really don't know a single person that bears any respect for them at all.
Kralizec
11-13-2007, 18:05
I'm all for Chavez shutting up, but I think that, in general, it's a bad idea for monarchs to meddle with politics (domestic or international)
What difference does it make in south america, left right, it's corrupt.
Louis VI the Fat
11-13-2007, 20:21
Hey ever wondered what would have happened if France had a mirror on Sout America? I mean they had their colonies here and still have some islands (if I'm not mistaken) but I'm talking more like a relationship such as USA with England, Latin America with Spain and Brasil with Portugal. I mean, we still consider, in our hispano world, that the king of Spain or the president has to be present in our internal meetings or as a third party for reconcilations, when I really don't know a single person that bears any respect for them at all.There is a French Latin America. It is called Québec. ~;)
Okay, that is not entirely to the point. There are three main 'circles of civilisation' in the America's: North America (including Québec), the Caribbean, and Latin America. (And there are some dislocated countries: Cuba belongs to the LA circle, Belize and the three Guyana's to the Caribbean one.)
French (former) colonies are present in the first two circles, not the last. Pity indeed, yes. The French presence in Latin America is not of the physical kind. Neither in territory, nor in blood. French don't procreate. We couldn't even settle Algeria or North America with people. There never was any mass emigration, unlike with the Italians, the Iberians, the British, Irish, Germans. Pity indeed.
But, 'France' is a spiritual and intellectual force too. To a large extent, South America was 'translated out of French', as the saying goes, during the wave of newly independent Latin American republics in the 1820s/30s. Check those phrygian hats on your national emblems. And your state institutions, architecture, literature. Or that Código Civil which you study - all the codes the newly independent Latin Countries adopted draw heavily on the Code civil des Français.
This influence is not a dictate, never was, never can be. There is the ancient discussion - much stronger in Argentina, and also Uruguay and Chile - than in the rest of Latin America: what are they (=you)? European? Gaucho?
I think you may be familiar with Domingo Faustino Sarmiento? He posed the questions 100 years ago that are still central to the soul of Argentina: what is it? Where does it belong? Argentina still needs to choose between civilization and barbarism, between enlightenment and backwardness, between democracy or caudillos, between Europe and the pampa.
(I notice that the thought of a 'French mirror' was seamlessly associated in my mind with the subject of civilization, enlightenment and democracy. Sorry, can't help it)
Reversly, South America has a small, yet very vocal intellectual elite, they are very much read in France. And they are always very aware of developments in French thinking. In France, not the unwashed masses -so much the face of Latinos in America-, nor the ignorant economic elites of Ibero America -despised-, but the leftist intellectuals are the face of Latin America.
Vice versa, Frenchness of course, is a kiss to the world. You can choose to embrace France or not, of your own choice. A puerile mistress she is, cruel and cold too, yet also sweet and gentle. So, here is your French / South American mirror. It is does exist, out of the physical realm. But should we not call it a window instead? Few crawl through it, but if you take the effort, you can look out to the other side.
You neglect to mention the other time he actually did politics...when he headed Francos dictatorship while Franco was ill .
I included this part of his carreer in this statement :
The first time was when he promoted democracy after the death of franco, helping to make Spain change from a 1930's fascist system to a modern democracy.
I can't help it but i still remember the image of this guy comming to salute the political group leaders in the cortes after the failure of the coup.
They ranged from fascist neo phalangists to republican socialists and communists. Santiago Carrillo was even the leader of the communist youth during the civil war, if i remember correctly.
This was an image of living, growing democracy.
We had countless bastards during about 2000 years of monarchy in europe and a very small handful of men that deserved being a king. I think Juan Carlos can be counted among them. Let us not spit in the face of a man that did the right thing in the right time and in the right place for the benefit of the country he represents. We do not need anymore this kind of guy, but we did need him 30 years ago. So i think we shall let him finish his reign without attacking him.
Soulforged
11-13-2007, 22:50
But, 'France' is a spiritual and intellectual force too. To a large extent, South America was 'translated out of French', as the saying goes, during the wave of newly independent Latin American republics in the 1820s/30s. Check those phrygian hats on your national emblems. And your state institutions, architecture, literature. Or that Código Civil which you study - all the codes the newly independent Latin Countries adopted draw heavily on the Code civil des Français.I know all that, but thanks for the info anyway...You really love your country don't you Louis, is it the woman, the intelectualism, the romance or just the Rugby? (Sorry had to make that lame joke...:laugh4: )
This influence is not a dictate, never was, never can be. There is the ancient discussion - much stronger in Argentina, and also Uruguay and Chile - than in the rest of Latin America: what are they (=you)? European? Gaucho?
I think you may be familiar with Domingo Faustino Sarmiento? He posed the questions 100 years ago that are still central to the soul of Argentina: what is it? Where does it belong? Argentina still needs to choose between civilization and barbarism, between enlightenment and backwardness, between democracy or caudillos, between Europe and the pampa.Yes I'm familiar with him, he was another typical dictator from the ol' times and sent many indians to their graves. He never hesitated when it came to controlling what he called barbarism, adherence to principles is something I can respect. Is ironic however that a person dedicated to a life of enlightment could also be so ruthless, and while he thought civilization with one hand he also handled the sword with the other.
(I notice that the thought of a 'French mirror' was seamlessly associated in my mind with the subject of civilization, enlightenment and democracy. Sorry, can't help it)Well when I asked about a mirror, I was talking about more like a "child", England, Spain and Portugal have their "children" here and we like to make light-hearted and practical jokes all the time about each other, just like father and son, though the father seems rather childish sometimes for his age, if you know what I mean.
Reversly, South America has a small, yet very vocal intellectual elite, they are very much read in France. And they are always very aware of developments in French thinking. In France, not the unwashed masses -so much the face of Latinos in America-, nor the ignorant economic elites of Ibero America -despised-, but the leftist intellectuals are the face of Latin America.
Vice versa, Frenchness of course, is a kiss to the world. You can choose to embrace France or not, of your own choice. A puerile mistress she is, cruel and cold too, yet also sweet and gentle. So, here is your French / South American mirror. It is does exist, out of the physical realm. But should we not call it a window instead? Few crawl through it, but if you take the effort, you can look out to the other side.In a way I see your point. However I can't come up with any practical joke against France.
Anyway this is totally off-topic, we should live international exchange for another moment.:2thumbsup:
P.S: Oh Louis, I posted a song long ago here that I thought represented better this country than our anthem, it's in spanish of course, but you'll find amusing what it says, if you can understand it. Here (http://www.cancionerolatino.com.ar/letra.php?id=1125).
Chavez is a bit of a pantomime character in public. Although what he has done for the country has been very good. Venezuela used to be US property managed for them by a local elite. These days most of the wealth stays in the country and living conditions of average people have improved.
InsaneApache
11-15-2007, 16:09
You'd better translate panto for our overseas friends mate.
No matter here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantomime) it is. :quiet:
Papewaio
11-16-2007, 01:41
Pantomine: A zoo like exhibit where ex-neighbours and home and away 'stars' earn a few bob while touring the UK.
Hey ever wondered what would have happened if France had a mirror on Sout America? I mean they had their colonies here and still have some islands (if I'm not mistaken) but I'm talking more like a relationship such as USA with England, Latin America with Spain and Brasil with Portugal. I mean, we still consider, in our hispano world, that the king of Spain or the president has to be present in our internal meetings or as a third party for reconcilations, when I really don't know a single person that bears any respect for them at all.
you mean how we get football players, annoying TV shows and hookers from them?....because that´s about as far as the "special relationship" goes...in practical terms...of course the politicians in their speeches make it sound more noble than that....:laugh4:
Soulforged
11-16-2007, 18:59
you mean how we get football players, annoying TV shows and hookers from them?....because that´s about as far as the "special relationship" goes...in practical terms...of course the politicians in their speeches make it sound more noble than that....:laugh4:
Well Ronin we certainly do a lot of practical jokes about our spanish friends and my mother, being "brasileira", she tells me that brasilians usually do the same with the portuguese. For example:
Here we put a can over a car to indicate that it's on sale. So we ask: How is it that a "gallego" (spaniard from Galicia, we generalize the term) does to indicate a can is on sale?
They put a car over it.:clown:
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
11-17-2007, 13:13
How is that funny?
Tribesman
11-17-2007, 16:42
Although what he has done for the country has been very good.
No , some of what he has done has been very good , some of what he has done has been absolute rubbish , most of what he has done could yet fall either way .
Prodigal
11-17-2007, 17:25
Look, you lot can bang on as much as you like about this one, but I've been living in Catalonia for 11 years, I'm married to a Catalan, & even here people think that telling chavez to shut up was a good thing.
PS. Portugal bloke with the knowledge about "romance languages" you're wrong, what he said first was shut up the second part was not some polite version that can be construed as tadadeeedadedaa he said Why don't you shut up
Of course maybe me & every other spaniard I've spoken too is wrong, but I'm not and neither are they. ¡Pues callate, *****!
Louis VI the Fat
11-17-2007, 18:27
Look, you lot can bang on as much as you like about this one, but I've been living in Catalonia for 11 years, I'm married to a Catalan, & even here people think that telling chavez to shut up was a good thing.
PS. Portugal bloke with the knowledge about "romance languages" you're wrong, what he said first was shut up the second part was not some polite version that can be construed as tadadeeedadedaa he said Why don't you shut up
Of course maybe me & every other spaniard I've spoken too is wrong, but I'm not and neither are they. ¡Pues callate, *****! Sorry to be another bloke who wrongly thinks he's got some knowledge of Latin languages, but as far as I know the king's '¡Por qué no te callas!' is far less vulgar than your '¡Pues callate, *****!'.
I shall assume you didn't mean that towards King_of_Portugal, but as a general note of interest about the Spanish language. ~;)
The interpretation probably also depends on the differences between Spanish and Latin American Spanish.
Soulforged
11-17-2007, 21:30
Sorry to be another bloke who wrongly thinks he's got some knowledge of Latin languages, but as far as I know the king's '¡Por qué no te callas!' is far less vulgar than your '¡Pues callate, *****!'.
I shall assume you didn't mean that towards King_of_Portugal, but as a general note of interest about the Spanish language. ~;)
Yes it's indeed. If he had said that, Chavez would have probably abandoned the place or laughed involuntarily at the old crook face.
The interpretation probably also depends on the differences between Spanish and Latin American Spanish.No it doesn't. If you said that to me I'd probably react in an unfriendly way.
Look, you lot can bang on as much as you like about this one, but I've been living in Catalonia for 11 years, I'm married to a Catalan, & even here people think that telling chavez to shut up was a good thing.I couldn't understand the rest of your post, but this part is amusing. Wouldn't spaniards have more reasons to support their king than anybody else? What weight do your words have in the context?:inquisitive:
How is that funny?Well you've to think like us. If you tell a joke about the english now I'd probably not understand it because of cultural differences. We've this stereotype here, we consider spaniards, specially the ones from Galicia, to be rigid thinkers and somewhat stupid. For example, I assume you know the joke about how many x do you need to change a bulb, right, well we do that joke with spaniards.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
11-17-2007, 21:49
I couldn't understand the rest of your post, but this part is amusing. Wouldn't spaniards have more reasons to support their king than anybody else? What weight do your words have in the context?
Catalonians aren't exactly Spaniads, and they don't exactly have a rosy view of the central government.
Soulforged
11-17-2007, 22:23
Catalonians aren't exactly Spaniads, and they don't exactly have a rosy view of the central government.
Thanks for the info, though as an autonomous community of Spain, it is still subject to the spaniard State. Unless I understand the term spaniard wrong.
Louis VI the Fat
11-17-2007, 22:28
Nm.
No it doesn't. If you said that to me I'd probably react in an unfriendly way.
In Latin America it would be seen as very rude to say to someone "¿Por qué no te callas?", one may as well say "¡cállate!" or "¡cállate la boca!" in fact. In Spain I've no idea how it could be construed, but I can't see how it could be in any way polite, especially given the circumstances.
Papewaio
11-19-2007, 00:35
Thanks for the info, though as an autonomous community of Spain, it is still subject to the spaniard State. Unless I understand the term spaniard wrong.
It is quite common for regions to be quite different to the central government. Think of Texas vs USA, Western Australia vs Australia, New Zealand vs Australia :laugh4:.
You can be part (or not quite part of) a Federation or a good relationship and still have a negative view of the central government... also in a Democracy the state is their on behalf of the people so it is the Spaniard state that would be the subject of all its peoples including the Catalonian's.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
11-19-2007, 19:09
Thanks for the info, though as an autonomous community of Spain, it is still subject to the spaniard State. Unless I understand the term spaniard wrong.
I think it's rather like the relationship the Scottish or Welsh have with the English. Or the Bretons with the French.
Vladimir
11-20-2007, 16:47
Maybe we can merge threads:
http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/news/world/20071911-Chavez-Venezuelan-president-Hugo-Chavez-arrives-France-Ingrid-Betancourt-rebels.html
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