Is that true that the EB team dislike Romans ?

[Barry Soteiro]

I've heard some people saying that is that right uh ? :help: :dizzy2:

[Intranetusa]

I've heard some people saying that is that right uh ? :help: :dizzy2:

Play the game as Romans and look at the unit cards. Then look at the discussion threads and decide for yourself...

[Bootsiuv]

Yawn.

The Romani have more units than any other faction, more reforms, more buildings, more traits and ancillaries....I fail to see how that equates to the EB team not liking rome.

They just think that the other factions should be as well represented, to which I whole-heartedly agree.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Yeah, their own UI and culture group (only faction to have their own) also. The most complete voice mod, the aforementioned extra reforms, traits, ancillaries, unit slots, etc. Yeah, we can't stand them. :laugh4:

[Tellos Athenaios]

Indeed. :laugh4:

[O'ETAIPOS]

I for example simply hate Romans. I hate them that much that (.....)
cut excesive violence censor


:clown:

[Intranetusa]

I'm play Greece at the moment and I badly want to see a script that gets Carthage to create an army in Spain and invade Rome via the Alps.

BURN ROME BURN!!!! :furious3:

[bovi]

Gertrude's two last posts have seemed to be flamebait. I discourage feeding the troll.

[Centurion Crastinus]

Dude, are you kidding? This is the best damn mod anywhere. I myself just play as the Romans and I can tell you that they have a ton of stuff. I agree all factions should be represented fairly and to an extent, I believe they are. I think that the moderators just try to balance everything as best as they can. And no, I don't think that they hate the Romans.

[Tellos Athenaios]

I'm play Greece at the moment and I badly want to see a script that gets Carthage to create an army in Spain and invade Rome via the Alps.

BURN ROME BURN!!!! :furious3:

That's entirely unneccesary: Carthage already tries to subdue Spain 9 times out of 10; and tours through Italy (they love the weather and the food in Southern Italy, it seems) 10 out of 10. I am waiting till they actually attack the Romans or vice versa (which would be slightly more accurate) but so far the Romani & Qartadastim have been pre-occupied with eradicating Eleutheroi...

[Intranetusa]

That's entirely unneccesary: Carthage already tries to subdue Spain 9 times out of 10; and tours through Italy (they love the weather and the food in Southern Italy, it seems) 10 out of 10. I am waiting till they actually attack the Romans or vice versa (which would be slightly more accurate) but so far the Romani & Qartadastim have been pre-occupied with eradicating Eleutheroi...


Poor Carthaginians gets wiped out cuz their government are puss*** who surrendered to the Romans after getting a flesh wound in Punic War 1 & 2...if they were more resilient like the Romans, then they would've won...

[TWFanatic]

Carthage already tries to subdue Spain 9 times out of 10
In every single campaign I've ever had with EB, Carthage just builds full stacks of Poeni Militia and let's them sit south of Carthago Nova (or whatever it's called in EB) for eternity, or until the expanding Lustonnan (sp?) tribes attack them.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Oh yeah but by the time they've conquered the other side of the Gibraltar as well...

[Diamondj]

Poor Carthaginians gets wiped out cuz their government are puss*** who surrendered to the Romans after getting a flesh wound in Punic War 1 & 2...if they were more resilient like the Romans, then they would've won...
Militarily the first punic war wasn't *that* bad, but finiancially it really messed them up. After their defeat in the war, another conflict broke out- the mercenary war- in which the army they hired to fight the romans rebelled because they didn;t receive their promised payment, as a result they lost Corsica and Sardinia as well when Rome once again took advantage of Carthage. The second punic war was a hell of a lot more than a flesh wound, but they did probably lose it because their government was divided and because the faction led by Hanno the "Great" (I don't think that there is another person in history that is less deserving of that title) was generally pro-Roman and did everything in his power to reverse the efforts of the Barcid brothers.

[Bava]

[...]Hanno the "Great" (I don't think that there is another person in history that is less deserving of that title) was generally pro-Roman[...]

Anti-Barcid would be more appropriate imho, the thought of Hannibal back in Quart-Hadasht as triumphator with a whole army of seasoned veterans surely gave him some unpleasant nightmares ~D


Yeah, their own UI and culture group (only faction to have their own) also. The most complete voice mod, the aforementioned extra reforms, traits, ancillaries, unit slots, etc. Yeah, we can't stand them.

Could you hate Epeiros or Baktria, then, please? :P

[Starforge]

Militarily the first punic war wasn't *that* bad, but finiancially it really messed them up. After their defeat in the war, another conflict broke out- the mercenary war- in which the army they hired to fight the romans rebelled because they didn;t receive their promised payment, as a result they lost Corsica and Sardinia as well when Rome once again took advantage of Carthage. The second punic war was a hell of a lot more than a flesh wound, but they did probably lose it because their government was divided and because the faction led by Hanno the "Great" (I don't think that there is another person in history that is less deserving of that title) was generally pro-Roman and did everything in his power to reverse the efforts of the Barcid brothers.

Yep - gotta love when internal factional politics screw up a war effort - we wouldn't have a clue what that's like in modern times. :clown:

[Decimus Attius Arbiter]

Spending almost half a century fighting the Romans and your own military would be more than a flesh wound.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Could you hate Epeiros or Baktria, then, please? :P

Easily. They always stab you in your AS back! :furious: :grin:

[Starforge]

Interesting writeup on Carthage and the Punic wars. Seems to mesh with most of the other sources on the web.

http://www.roman-empire.net/republic/carthage.html

[Dayve]

I don't see how anybody could hate any people of EB's time anymore than any others. Back in those days, when it boils down to it every people were just as 'barbaric' as the next. Even the people we today see as the most 'civilized' of the time, the Romans, and to a lesser extent the Greeks, were all barbarians and murderers whose leaders were also barbarians and murderers.

It just so happens that the Romans were the ones who conquered most of the known world, but if they hadn't then somebody else would have, and they would have enslaved/exterminated/extorted whoever they felt like just as did the Romans.

The only real difference of the day was culture. Behind the culture every people were just as violent as the next. Romans did their murdering clean-shaven and wearing cool looking armour or elegant looking togas, Gauls did it with long unshaven hair and wearing what would look to us today tattered rags.

Most people in the west have a higher disposition toward the Romans though, myself included, because in school we are told tales of glorious battles fought by the legions, wonderful buildings made of marble and the utmost civilization of the day. But nobody else is glorified. We aren't told tales of Gauls or Cartheginans.

Before R:TW i never even knew what a Gaul or Cartheginian was or that the Greeks conquered the east. And before EB i had no idea that ancient 'barbarian' tribes weren't barbarians at all really, just not as technologically advanced as Rome was. I almost had a heart attack when i found out it was 'barbarians' that invented soap, and the Germans used to wash everyday! I had always imagined them as a horde of smelly, unwashed, unshaven mob of cultureless bandits and raiders.

[Starforge]

I don't see how anybody could hate any people of EB's time anymore than any others. Back in those days, when it boils down to it every people were just as 'barbaric' as the next. Even the people we today see as the most 'civilized' of the time, the Romans, and to a lesser extent the Greeks, were all barbarians and murderers whose leaders were also barbarians and murderers.

It just so happens that the Romans were the ones who conquered most of the known world, but if they hadn't then somebody else would have, and they would have enslaved/exterminated/extorted whoever they felt like just as did the Romans.

The only real difference of the day was culture. Behind the culture every people were just as violent as the next. Romans did their murdering clean-shaven and wearing cool looking armour or elegant looking togas, Gauls did it with long unshaven hair and wearing what would look to us today tattered rags.

Most people in the west have a higher disposition toward the Romans though, myself included, because in school we are told tales of glorious battles fought by the legions, wonderful buildings made of marble and the utmost civilization of the day. But nobody else is glorified. We aren't told tales of Gauls or Cartheginans.

Before R:TW i never even knew what a Gaul or Cartheginian was or that the Greeks conquered the east. And before EB i had no idea that ancient 'barbarian' tribes weren't barbarians at all really, just not as technologically advanced as Rome was. I almost had a heart attack when i found out it was 'barbarians' that invented soap, and the Germans used to wash everyday! I had always imagined them as a horde of smelly, unwashed, unshaven mob of cultureless bandits and raiders.

"Hate" will happen when you figure that most information written down filters through an individual (the authors) perceptions, hangups and baggage. In many cases they're relying on what other modern authors have written and finally on what sources wrote (in some cases quoting earlier works) and data recovered from sites likely much of which is not going to provide you with a smoking gun such as a Rosetta stone.

That some of the BBC produced programs, for example, would talk up the Celts and down the Romans is perfectly understandable. Not going to even say it's innacurate but requires in many cases just as much speculation as talking up the Romans and talking down the Celts.

[Tiberius Nero]

Yeah, the EB teams hates Romans, they are the prime suspects for the decline of the empire and at least two sackings of Rome.

...

[Long lost Caesar]

sorry to go off topic here, but an educated barbarian needs your sage advice. from whats been posted regarding the punic wars, i get the impression the carthaginians lost the second war. i though they won the second war, since the romans finally crushed them in the third! is it just that hannibal was around in the third and the tide turned? sorry if i seem like an idiot, i try to go by my common sense, but ocassionally it needs fine-tuning.:laugh4:

[Tiberius Nero]

After the end of the 2nd war, Carthage effectively became a Roman protectorate, greatly reduced in power. And Romans don't lose wars (generally...), that's why people hate them. :P

[Starforge]

sorry to go off topic here, but an educated barbarian needs your sage advice. from whats been posted regarding the punic wars, i get the impression the carthaginians lost the second war. i though they won the second war, since the romans finally crushed them in the third! is it just that hannibal was around in the third and the tide turned? sorry if i seem like an idiot, i try to go by my common sense, but ocassionally it needs fine-tuning.:laugh4:

They lost - quite decisively. Had Hannibal been given what he requested in the form of support and troops it might have been different but even then only *might* as it all becomes speculative.

[Long lost Caesar]

so cannae was a battle of the third punic war?
who needs school when ive got you guys?:idea2:

[Reno Melitensis]

Hannibal was a great commander, but as was said on him, " He knew how to win a battle, but not how to win a war". To finish off the romans he needed to besiege and capture Rome, and that would have been a long struggle, knowing that the romans had a policy of no peace terms without total victory. Even if the Poeni would have send more aid to Hannibal, Rome's former allies would still not trust him and maybe with time would ally with Rome again, to kick the foreign invader out of Italia. Rome was choosen by the almighty God to earn its place in history, and history is written by the victor, hate him or love him.

Roma Victoria.
Long live the Emperor

Cheers.

[CaesarAugustus]

so cannae was a battle of the third punic war?


No. Second.

[Palasta]

Why hate? They didn't do anything to you.

I don't hate any faction except of... uh... no, unfortunately there is no despite for anyone, sry.

[Starforge]

Why hate? They didn't do anything to you.

I don't hate any faction except of... uh... no, unfortunately there is no despite for anyone, sry.

Well, in the case of the Romans you could argue that they DID do something to you (well, your ancestors) if your Jewish, German, English, Greek (and the list goes on.)

[Conradus]

Well, in the case of the Romans you could argue that they DID do something to you (well, your ancestors) if your Jewish, German, English, Greek (and the list goes on.)

If that would be a reason to be mad, we should be mad at: Romans, Franks, Vikings, French, Germans, Spanish, Dutch, French, Austrians, French and Dutch. Can you guess the country?:smiley2:
Really, how could anyone be mad at something that happened to your ancestors 2000 odd years ago?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Belgian, I take it? :laugh4:

[Pharnakes]

Even the people we today see as the most 'civilized' of the time, the Romans, and to a lesser extent the Greeks, were all barbarians and murderers whose leaders were also barbarians and murderers.

Gosh, how little the world changes in 2,000 years...:sweatdrop:

[dezzerx]

Belgian, I take it? :laugh4:
Meh, if he is Belgian (Flemish) than he can scratch the Dutch of his invader list because in my opinion the Flemish and the Dutch are the same one. Except we have the cooler accents ofcourse! And better food. :laugh4:

[Conradus]

Belgian, I take it? :laugh4:
Of course, have a beer ~:cheers:

[Conradus]

Meh, if he is Belgian (Flemish) than he can scratch the Dutch of his invader list because in my opinion the Flemish and the Dutch are the same one. Except we have the cooler accents ofcourse! And better food. :laugh4:

We are everything but the same, but when they appeared the first time on my list, I was referring to their becoming independent and letting us stay under Spanish rule, and then taking all our scientists, artists,... draining us completely for 150 years or so.
And the second time, from 1815 till 1830 they were our occupiers :)

[dezzerx]

We are everything but the same, but when they appeared the first time on my list, I was referring to their becoming independent and letting us stay under Spanish rule, and then taking all our scientists, artists,... draining us completely for 150 years or so.
And the second time, from 1815 till 1830 they were our occupiers :)

In that case I vote we go and take our scientists and artists back and get some Spaniards to rule them!

OT: I have been playing a Romani campaign lately, and I love it. I think it is very unfair to say the EB team hates the Romans. Especially if you see the amount of work they have put in to the faction.

[Starforge]

If that would be a reason to be mad, we should be mad at: Romans, Franks, Vikings, French, Germans, Spanish, Dutch, French, Austrians, French and Dutch. Can you guess the country?:smiley2:
Really, how could anyone be mad at something that happened to your ancestors 2000 odd years ago?

Your point is spot on but completely beside the point since we're talking about personal feelings tied to one's own ancestry. In an abstract and maybe evolutionary way it's like harming ones family (regardless that it was in the distant past.) Rationalizing feelings gets pretty murky :beam: .

Belgian.....should have known (hands the beer back and grabs a Guinness ~:cheers: - unless they have Becks dark on tap)

[C.LVCIANVS]

:inquisitive:
The question is: Is it true that Romans dislike the EB Team?
The answer is : Who cares? Everybody hates me!!!!:dizzy2:
:laugh4:

[Krusader]

Hannibal was a great commander, but as was said on him, " He knew how to win a battle, but not how to win a war". To finish off the romans he needed to besiege and capture Rome, and that would have been a long struggle, knowing that the romans had a policy of no peace terms without total victory. Even if the Poeni would have send more aid to Hannibal, Rome's former allies would still not trust him and maybe with time would ally with Rome again, to kick the foreign invader out of Italia. Rome was choosen by the almighty God to earn its place in history, and history is written by the victor, hate him or love him.

Roma Victoria.
Long live the Emperor

Cheers.

You haven't heard of Hasdrubal & his defeat at Metaurus?

[TWFanatic]

Why hate? They didn't do anything to you.
Well, they actually did...modern society in most parts of the world would be far, far different had the Romans not conquered to the extent they did. Arguably for the worse. I think many people here are "joking" when they say they hate the Romans, simply because they wish other factions were more popular (and other reasons I don't understand).

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I've heard some people saying that is that right uh ? :help: :dizzy2:

No.


Hannibal was a great commander, but as was said on him, " He knew how to win a battle, but not how to win a war". To finish off the romans he needed to besiege and capture Rome, and that would have been a long struggle, knowing that the romans had a policy of no peace terms without total victory. Even if the Poeni would have send more aid to Hannibal, Rome's former allies would still not trust him and maybe with time would ally with Rome again, to kick the foreign invader out of Italia. Rome was choosen by the almighty God to earn its place in history, and history is written by the victor, hate him or love him.

Roma Victoria.
Long live the Emperor

Cheers.

DO NOT post crap like that outside the backroom. You may find you offend people.

[Tiberius Nero]

Well, they actually did...modern society in most parts of the world would be far, far different had the Romans not conquered to the extent they did. Arguably for the worse.

How do you define "for the worse" when there is no possible way of thinking the alternatives or indeed of defining "good" in history?

[Starforge]

How do you define "for the worse" when there is no possible way of thinking the alternatives or indeed of defining "good" in history?

Don't mind him - he's probably Italian :yes:

[Maeran]

How do you define "for the worse" when there is no possible way of thinking the alternatives or indeed of defining "good" in history?

For the worse, as far as I can tell means "less like my own society."

[CaesarAugustus]

There's no real way of telling if a different society would be "worse", but I must agree that I definently love this Roman Western society we live in today... I cannot imagine how different a Carthaginian, (un-Romanized) Hellenistic, or *shudder* Celtic-dominated world would evolve into a modern society.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Meh, if he is Belgian (Flemish) than he can scratch the Dutch of his invader list because in my opinion the Flemish and the Dutch are the same one. Except we have the cooler accents ofcourse! And better food. :laugh4:

Not entirely right. The difference between the Dutch and the Flemish is that well... talk to Dutch girls. :laugh4:

The Flemish are just cute, and will never get past the "boy" stage. Their accent and the fact that the Flemish tend to be somewhat smaller than the Dutch contribute to this...

[blitzkrieg80]

We are all Romans because we throw away culture and heritage for the sake of mass production, convenience and efficiency. That is truly Rome. Thus why most of Western Europe and America of non-Italic descent considers itself inheritors of Rome... I went to Japan and they have become Roman. Almost everyone you see or interact with in Japan is using a cell-phone, dressed in a Western European-style suit (they have weddings in such clothes more often than not these days), and they hardly ever are polite (as modern people in any big city) or bow to each other as you might think they would IN JAPAN ~:mecry: what happened to the world?! oh yeah, Rome... and why "Rome"? Because they were the first to show the world that there was more to be gained from "do as the Romans" than the ultra-conservatism of other cultures. Although technically Alexanders' influence during the Hellenistic Age was a key building-block.

[Tiberius Nero]

There's no real way of telling if a different society would be "worse", but I must agree that I definently love this Roman Western society we live in today... I cannot imagine how different a Carthaginian, (un-Romanized) Hellenistic, or *shudder* Celtic-dominated world would evolve into a modern society.

What do you mean by "a modern society" and why could this not have been achieved otherwise than through Roman domination?

[Intranetusa]

We are all Romans because we throw away culture and heritage for the sake of mass production, convenience and efficiency. That is truly Rome. Thus why most of Western Europe and America of non-Italic descent considers itself inheritors of Rome... I went to Japan and they have become Roman. Almost everyone you see or interact with in Japan is using a cell-phone, dressed in a Western European-style suit (they have weddings in such clothes more often than not these days), and they hardly ever are polite (as modern people in any big city) or bow to each other as you might think they would IN JAPAN ~:mecry: what happened to the world?! oh yeah, Rome... and why "Rome"? Because they were the first to show the world that there was more to be gained from "do as the Romans" than the ultra-conservatism of other cultures. Although technically Alexanders' influence during the Hellenistic Age was a key building-block.

Mass production, convenience, and efficiency aren't necessarily Roman traits, or even western. We all use soap, and modern soap was invented by the Arabs. We use numbers created by the Hindus. We use paper created by Chinese. etc

People today don't belong to any single cultural heritage. No society is pure due to exchange of trade, ideas, and technology via globalization. Thus Egypt & Near Eastern civilizations is often lumped in as ancient western civilization. XD

[blitzkrieg80]

I guess you missed my point entirely, probably because I failed to explain myself properly or articulately. The Romans were not even Romans, but they wanted to call themselves so. It is a fact that the USA does not teach that Western European culture is most firmly rooted in Egypt or the Near East, but that does not diminish what they accomplished and it does show a bias in thought. It is a fact that universities in the USA teach Graeco-Roman / Judeo-Christian culture as the foundation of Western Civilization. My point was that the only reason those cultures are attributed for so much is the amount of amalgamation and cultural diffusion which took place in Graeco-Roman culture, this practice indeed became part of their identity, with them eventually forsaking old tradition (often not by choice) for the sake of fusion and stability, yet great steps toward modernity. This is unique because humans are inherently conservative- "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." The Renaissance looked back to those times for the same reasons which make them stand out, using the plethora of culture available, including Arab, Persian, ect.

I personally feel that the vast Eurasian steppe has more influence on history and culture than many of the great civilizations of Asia and the Near East, nonetheless Europe... Pastoralism, chariots, heavy cavalry, horse-archers, compound bow, saddle, stirrup, Persians, Scythians, Parthians, Huns, Magyars, Turks, Mongols (and many more), oh my! The study of epidemiology in the context of history is very important as well as innovation in warfare, because one cannot underestimate the impact of disease spread through the movements of peoples and exposure of populations without immunities to those of other lifeways.

[Intranetusa]

I guess you missed my point entirely. The Romans were not even Romans, but they wanted to call themselves so.

I can no longer distinguish between deadpan humor, irony, or sarcasm after the Daily Show & Colbert Report went off air due to the Writer's Guild Strike... :(

[NeoSpartan]

Gertrude... S.T.F.U :smash:

this and ur other post of Epiros is Freaking STUPID!

[keravnos]

I've heard some people saying that is that right uh ? :help: :dizzy2:

Nope. What we dislike is the fact that so many things we supposedly know about all other people in history is relevant to their relationship to the Romani.

I do believe that the Romani depiction as is found in EB is one of the greatest around. They weren't supermen, still they won it all, by having and fielding the best troops and commanders. My own theory is that the centurions are the reason why they conquered the world, but that 's another story.

It was difficult at first for the Romani, then it became easier, then by the time of the Imperial refomrs, it was a walk in the park. That's exactly how EB views them.

Now, if you want Romani with machineguns and kevlar, you can always mod them in, or play other mods who do consider them supermen. Their magnificence wasn't that they were the absolute best. Their magnificence was that from a mere city they basically conquered the world. Think about that for a moment. Hasn't been done since, and probably wont ever again.

[Thaatu]

I can no longer distinguish between deadpan humor, irony, or sarcasm after the Daily Show & Colbert Report went off air due to the Writer's Guild Strike... :(
I no longer know what humour, irony and sarcasm are after Stewart and Colbert went off the air... But don't think we've lost everything. At least we have the suffering.

[Fionnlagh]

Well its just my opinion but none the less. I think the world would be more interesting if the Celts had just killed off all of the Romans in 390 B.C. Christianity probably would of never taken off as it did. That alone would change quite a lot of history right there; Crusades being the most obvious one. A lot of us would probably be sporting long hair and a mustache, also if I remember right, a belt tax would still be around:P
Probably still be in Tribal and Clan family structures. War seasons would still be in fashion:P I don't know about you guys but the concept of cattle raiding to gain riches would certainly make for a interesting and fast paced life lol.

[Pharnakes]

I don't know about you guys but the concept of cattle raiding to gain riches would certainly make for a interesting and fast paced life lol.

Well, where I come from that died out about 150 years ago. In some cases it still hasn't...

[blitzkrieg80]

I no longer know what humour, irony and sarcasm are after Stewart and Colbert went off the air... But don't think we've lost everything. At least we have the suffering.

Don't forget our state of FEAR :grin:

[Thaatu]

Don't forget our state of FEAR :grin:
Hey, I'm a million miles away. The only thing I'm afraid of is whether I'll ever see Daily Show again.

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A lot of us would probably be sporting long hair and a mustache
Like in the 70s? :laugh4:


also if I remember right, a belt tax would still be around:P
Probably still be in Tribal and Clan family structures.
In that case all countries should be monarchies now, like Rome was in it's glory days :dizzy2:
Slaves, too.
In other words, no - Celtic heritage would not disallow evolution


War seasons would still be in fashion
Well now we have war years, i'm not entirely sure which is better

[paullus]

Pre-Thanksgiving Preview

From the member's signing agreement to join EB:

I hereby resolve to strive, to the best of my ability, to denigrate the Senate and People of Rome, using historically responsible methods when possible, and hypothetical, borderline irresponsible evidence when necessary, so long as a facade of historicity survives, and the SPQR is revealed for what it really is: a city state blessed by Tyche to expand into the vaccuum left as their neighbors, illustrious as they all were, waned.

I hope that clears things up...stupid questions...

[dezzerx]

Not entirely right. The difference between the Dutch and the Flemish is that well... talk to Dutch girls. :laugh4:

The Flemish are just cute, and will never get past the "boy" stage. Their accent and the fact that the Flemish tend to be somewhat smaller than the Dutch contribute to this...

Hah, I can live with that! :laugh4:

[Pharnakes]

From the member's signing agreement to join EB:

I hereby resolve to strive, to the best of my ability, to denigrate the Senate and People of Rome, using historically responsible methods when possible, and hypothetical, borderline irresponsible evidence when necessary, so long as a facade of historicity survives, and the SPQR is revealed for what it really is: a city state blessed by Tyche to expand into the vaccuum left as their neighbors, illustrious as they all were, waned.

Where do I sign?:yes:

[Conradus]

Hah, I can live with that! :laugh4:

Don't we say the same accent stuff about them Dutch?:thinking2: :2thumbsup:

[Tellos Athenaios]

Well... considering that the Flemish got that somewhat higher and softer voice? Altogether more French? :clown:

Mind if you cross the main Dutch rivers the language becomes much more guttural than below in Brabant. ... Or Limburg...

[Geoffrey S]

Well... considering that the Flemish got that somewhat higher and softer voice? Altogether more French? :clown:
Funny you should mention that. First time I noticed my current girlfriend was when I heard her beautiful french-accented Dutch, before I even saw her (lived up to the voice, thankfully!)...

[Intranetusa]

Hey, I'm a million miles away. The only thing I'm afraid of is whether I'll ever see Daily Show again.

Too bad Colbert wasn't allowed to participate in the South Carolina elections >.<

[dezzerx]

Don't we say the same accent stuff about them Dutch?:thinking2: :2thumbsup:

Well... considering that the Flemish got that somewhat higher and softer voice? :clown:

We say the exact same thing about you guys! :idea2:

[Thaatu]

Too bad Colbert wasn't allowed to participate in the South Carolina elections >.<
Aye. It's a flaw in the democratic process. He was already like the fifth on the opinion polls...

[Moros]

Well... considering that the Flemish got that somewhat higher and softer voice? Altogether more French? :clown:

No need to be rude! ~;) :egypt:

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Too bad Colbert wasn't allowed to participate in the South Carolina elections >.<
Indeed. :no:

[Reno Melitensis]

No.



DO NOT post crap like that outside the backroom. You may find you offend people.


It was not my intention to harm anyone, if someone has been offended, I am very sorry. But can you tell me what have I written that can offend people, after all this is a post about who hate Romans, and who dont.

Cheers.

[Charge]

It was not my intention to harm anyone, if someone has been offended, I am very sorry. But can you tell me what have I written that can offend people, after all this is a post about who hate Romans, and who dont.

Cheers.
Perhaps everyone here want his ancesstors as chosens! :laugh4:

Whole thread is just :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[Intranetusa]

Indeed. :no:

It was fear...South Carolina Democrats feared Colbert's gravitas/muchos huevos grande.

[Pharnakes]

Perhaps everyone here want his ancesstors as chosens!

Why Chosen paticularly?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Funny you should mention that. First time I noticed my current girlfriend was when I heard her beautiful french-accented Dutch, before I even saw her (lived up to the voice, thankfully!)...

Yeah it got something special doesn't it...?

[Charge]

Why Chosen paticularly?Because I can't see anything in that post that can OFFEND anybody here...

'cept those who think Hannibal the best, or Romans - scum.
--> in this cases PVC's post says :

"Do you hate romans?"
-"NO"

"Romans the best!"
- "I hate romans!" (or somebody here hate them)

stupid, isn't? :inquisitive:

[Pharnakes]

Well, yes it is, but I still don't see what it has to do with ancient chiness/Koreans.:inquisitive:

[Fionnlagh]

* If in any way I'm just being stupid and saying something that isn't true, go ahead and point that out, I know a lot of you would love to *

Fife Scotland I take it? cause here in Washington I haven't heard much about cattle raiding over in Fife lol :P
Wasn't alive in the 70's so I missed out on the whole long hair being the "thing" so I have to deal with just being the 21st century Jesus. And lets be accurate here, atleast a lot of the Celts back in the B.C. era were cleaning themselves with soap :P
The Clan system survived all the way into the 1800's. Outside pressure from England and even Lowland Scotland were starting to take apart the Clan system. Things really went bad after the battle of Culloden, and then Celtic culture got a pretty big swift kick to the nuts again.
War seasons would probably be exciting if you and I were of the Warrior class in Celtic society, generally it was just raiding another Tribe or Clans home and stealing cattle, woman etc. Then there was the non Celtic people being raided which was probably not fun in any size or shape, but then again your a Celt and there is no problem :P

Woman would probably be much better off. None of that Roman woman are property or Christianity's woman are the devil deal etc.

Hmm don't really want to rant cause I'm probably looking foolish right now * you people scare me * But my favorite is let the ass or that particular asses champion fight the battle and let the war be done with. The idea of having Bush getting into a fight with say the late Saddam would just make me smile :D

[Pharnakes]

Yes, Scotland, But untill 3 months ago I have spent all my life in the Western Highlands, where as you say the clan culture persisted untill very recently. And still does, in mnay ways. And so does cattle raiding, belive it or not. The best way to pay off your neighbor for getting drunk and pissing all over your front door step is to steal half a dozen of his cows and lock them up in his hated enemies cow shed.:laugh4:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It was not my intention to harm anyone, if someone has been offended, I am very sorry. But can you tell me what have I written that can offend people, after all this is a post about who hate Romans, and who dont.

Cheers.

Don't bring your theological views into historical debates. It's bad form and it has the potential to spark a vicious flame war in very short order.

[soynegro]

I dont think that EB team dislike Romans. I downloaded EB 1.0 a few weeks ago and playing as Roman im having lot of fun, i even can say that i ve never had so much fun in total war games as with EB.

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Judging by the phallic thread, a mod should jump out at any moment now, delete all posts with "dutch" in it, and lock the topic :dizzy2:
:medievalcheers:

[Starforge]

It was not my intention to harm anyone, if someone has been offended, I am very sorry. But can you tell me what have I written that can offend people, after all this is a post about who hate Romans, and who dont.

Cheers.

Well, next time you make a statement like you did use "the Almighty Jupiter" rather than "the Almighty God" since it's more likely to be taken as a bit of roleplay and less likely to irk the more sensitive of posters. :yes:

[TWFanatic]

How do you define "for the worse" when there is no possible way of thinking the alternatives or indeed of defining "good" in history?
I assume you don't want a lecture on the phenomenal amount of change that is a result of the Roman empire. Imagine everything that is a result of Rome down the very language you are speaking now, and ask yourself what life would be like without it. And please do not twist my words: I did not "define" anything. I quote myself: "arguably for the better." When theorizing and hypothesizing, nothing is written in stone.



Don't mind him - he's probably Italian
No, I am not Italian, in fact I do not have any Italian blood running through my veins that I am aware of. I am a humble student of Roman history.
And as a side note, I would be wary of labeling people with a race, as I've seen that start flame wars. Thankfully I do not get "offended" over the internet as seems to have been happening so often in recent topics on this forum.

[Starforge]

No, I am not Italian, in fact I do not have any Italian blood running through my veins that I am aware of. I am a humble student of Roman history.
And as a side note, I would be wary of labeling people with a race, as I've seen that start flame wars. Thankfully I do not get "offended" over the internet as seems to have been happening so often in recent topics on this forum.

It was a joke - hence the smiley face. Sheesh - you people need some beer or weed or something.

[russia almighty]

starforge the problem is the strain changes every two weeks . Weed doesn't make you happy anymore. The shit makes you angry now . Some of the stuff will make you deaf for a day if you take two hits of it as well .

[Starforge]

starforge the problem is the strain changes every two weeks . Weed doesn't make you happy anymore. The shit makes you angry now . Some of the stuff will make you deaf for a day if you take two hits of it as well .

:laugh4:

Never tried the stuff personally so I'll take your word for it (second hand smoke doesn't count I hope.)

More of a beer fellow myself.