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Intranetusa
11-16-2007, 21:50
I was beseiging Carthage with a small Camillan era Roman army (3/4 stack of hastatis, principes, and triari) when I was attacked and defeated by a full stack Carthaginian relief army and half stack army from the city.

Then my army retreated the distance approximately equal to cavalry movement points of 6-8 turns. The army retreated to a naval fleet that was blockading a port on the edges of Egypt.

So basically my army retreated from the Carthage capital to my fleet near the Egyptian border in one turn!

MarcusAureliusAntoninus
11-16-2007, 21:53
You're lucky they didn't just disperse.

Reno Melitensis
11-16-2007, 21:56
Well it seems that they run for their lives, trying to reach the nearest friendly location. It happens frequently in my campaign that defeated armies retreat long distances, marching to friendly territory. And if you had not that fleet at hand the army would have been wiped out.

Cheers.

Intranetusa
11-16-2007, 22:03
Well no, because I used manual retreat for my units that had not routed, so about 40-50% of my army had escaped intact. Even if there wasn't a fleet there, I think they just would've retreated backwards, but not nearly as far.

Sakkura
11-16-2007, 22:06
Silly RTW mechanics. :dizzy2:

Pharnakes
11-16-2007, 22:38
if there haden't been a fleet there, would they have marched all around the eastern med and the black sea, then down through the balklnas and into italy?

Would be impresive...

Tiberius Nero
11-17-2007, 00:10
Mao is proud of your soldiers.

Leão magno
11-17-2007, 02:12
Reminds me a greek retreat from Persia, about 5000 km fighting and being attacked but the Phalax resisted

russia almighty
11-17-2007, 03:58
The Anabasis . I've had a couple with the Bactrians except to Hercules gates back to India .

Intranetusa
11-17-2007, 08:18
Mao is proud of your soldiers.

Awesome. But I think my distance covered in 250 BCE, when adjusted for 2000 years of inflation, definitely outshines Mao's 8000 miles in the 1930s. :D

Moosemanmoo
12-11-2007, 13:00
And I thought retreating from Arretium to Epidamnos was a trek!

mrtwisties
12-11-2007, 13:25
Retreating is overpowered.

Hooahguy
12-11-2007, 16:47
i remember in my old romani campaign in .80x, an AS half stack invaded and beseiged Carthage (i controlled it) after defeating them, they retreated all the way to Iuodia, the closest fiendly territory...... i defeated most of them too- just 125-150 remaining out of over 1000......
i just didnt get it.....

Intranetusa
12-11-2007, 18:00
i remember in my old romani campaign in .80x, an AS half stack invaded and beseiged Carthage (i controlled it) after defeating them, they retreated all the way to Iuodia, the closest fiendly territory...... i defeated most of them too- just 125-150 remaining out of over 1000......
i just didnt get it.....

Apparently, soldiers gain super-human speed powers when they're running for their lives. :D

Hooahguy
12-11-2007, 19:12
they must have been Flash's ancestors
:laugh4:

unreal_uk
12-11-2007, 19:21
Reminds me a greek retreat from Persia, about 5000 km fighting and being attacked but the Phalax resisted

Well, the 'phalanx' didn't really 'resist'. They lost a lot of men, and the phalanx itself, and the hoplites, were useless for most of the fighting they encountered in the mountains!

Let's hear it for the peltasts for once!! The unsung heroes!

pezhetairoi
12-12-2007, 00:20
Apparently, soldiers gain super-human speed powers when they're running for their lives. :D

And I quote from Asterix and Cleopatra: 'In the attack, the Romans use the formidable tactic known as the Tortoise. In the retreat, they use the formidable tactic known as the Hare.'

How apt.

marodeur
12-12-2007, 11:40
I was beseiging Carthage with a small Camillan era Roman army (3/4 stack of hastatis, principes, and triari) when I was attacked and defeated by a full stack Carthaginian relief army and half stack army from the city.

Then my army retreated the distance approximately equal to cavalry movement points of 6-8 turns. The army retreated to a naval fleet that was blockading a port on the edges of Egypt.

So basically my army retreated from the Carthage capital to my fleet near the Egyptian border in one turn!

That's indeed completely ridiculous.:thumbsdown:

Subedei
12-12-2007, 12:09
As I am a bit messy with my campaign mgmt. every now and then, I sometimes forget about the beaten & fleeing...so 50 yrs. later I wonder: Where the heck do these fellaws come from? Right in the middle of nowhere? Hmmmmm:inquisitive: