HOTSEAT - Kingdom's Crusade Hotseat PBM [Archive] - Page 2

_Tristan_

01-19-2008, 17:29

Done, kind of a quiet turn, no battles or anything (unless killing a single unit of rebel archers counts :clown: ).

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-12-4.zip

Funny... I was almost about to say the same... Except for killing an Egyptian heir and some rogue Turkish HA... :whip:

[EDIT] And Zim, I take it you didn't accept my offer ? I was quite serious about it...

Zim

01-19-2008, 23:33

I know, but I'm afraid I can't sign any ceasefire until Egypt is brought into it.

I used the nifty hotseat message system to send you a reply. :yes:

Funny... I was almost about to say the same... Except for killing an Egyptian heir and some rogue Turkish HA... :whip:

[EDIT] And Zim, I take it you didn't accept my offer ? I was quite serious about it...

Doug-Thompson

01-20-2008, 01:21

D'hoh! Sorry, I finished the move hours ago and forgot to post. Back in a few.

Doug-Thompson

01-20-2008, 01:27

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-13-01.zip is up.

Tristan and Zim, I'm willing to discuss that proposal now -- assuming the assassinations and sabotage stop. That's a precondition.

Zim

01-20-2008, 02:12

That would be fine with me. Maybe two turns to get assassins out of eachother's territories? They have a pretty far movement rate.

A breather might be nice. All of our hotseats have seen a lot of early war, it might be interesting to see what happens with some time to build watchtower defenses, etc. :yes:

_Tristan_

01-20-2008, 11:30

I'm all for it...

I'll start sending PM soon...

[EDIT] I must admit that having some time to develop cities and armies would be cool... Being at war from the start had left everybody in a sorry state...

GeneralHankerchief

01-20-2008, 16:23

Being at war from the start had left everybody in a sorry state...

:eyebrows:

Doug-Thompson

01-20-2008, 19:11

:eyebrows:

Yes, everybody but one.

_Tristan_

01-20-2008, 21:42

Time to remedy that...:smash: :whip: :hmg:

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

_Tristan_

01-24-2008, 09:45

Save is up...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-13-2.rar

Go, Byzzies, go...

GeneralHankerchief

01-24-2008, 22:30

Sorry guys, I'm really busy (Byzzie?) today. I'll respond to all PMs (and there have been a lot) and play my turn tomorrow.

GeneralHankerchief

01-25-2008, 22:08

Done, and this time I made sure to click the "end turn" button.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-13-3.zip

Zim

01-27-2008, 11:11

Done.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-13-4.zip

Doug-Thompson

01-27-2008, 21:56

Will get to it tonight, though it may be late.

Doug-Thompson

01-28-2008, 05:00

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-14-1.zip is up.

_Tristan_

01-28-2008, 17:26

I've played my turn but the Org uploader won't let me upload it...

It gives me a message saying "Please choose an existing file to upload"...

I will try later... or upload on another archive storage site...

EDIT : Do any of you use Xfire ? I could send the save through that otherwise...

EDIT 2 : Won't upload

Here is the link to an alternate site...

http://s3.archive-host.com/membres/up/408636825/Crusade-14-2.rar

or here :

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Crusade-14-2.rar

GeneralHankerchief

01-28-2008, 22:36

You're up, Zim.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-14-3.zip

Zim

01-29-2008, 03:00

Save for Doug.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Crusade-14-4.zip

Doug-Thompson

01-29-2008, 15:36

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Crusade-15-1.zip is up.

_Tristan_

01-30-2008, 15:55

Your turn, GH

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-15-2.rar

GeneralHankerchief

01-31-2008, 02:01

Zim, it's you.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-15-3.zip

Zim

01-31-2008, 02:37

Cool, I'll get this and my Teutonic turn up tonight.

Zim

01-31-2008, 14:08

Done.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-15-4.zip

Doug-Thompson

01-31-2008, 17:23

Will try getting to it tonight, but it may be tomorrow.

_Tristan_

01-31-2008, 17:27

If it is before tomorrow evening GMT + 1, I cold have it done by Saturday morning...

Zim

02-01-2008, 10:45

Hey guys, there's a "Best Hotseat Game" entry award now. I voted for this game, since only counting events occuring up until the end of 2007, I think it was the most exciting hotseat game. :yes:

My post was a touch dramatic, perhaps, but I thought a summary of how the game went deserved it.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=1820014#post1820014

Doug-Thompson

02-02-2008, 17:11

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-16-01.zip is up.

_Tristan_

02-04-2008, 12:50

GH's turn

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-16-2.rar

GeneralHankerchief

02-06-2008, 02:20

Sorry for the delay, I should have it up within a few hours.

GeneralHankerchief

02-06-2008, 04:24

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-16-3.zip

Zim

02-07-2008, 09:33

Doug is up! :2thumbsup:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-16-4.zip

Doug-Thompson

02-07-2008, 20:35

Will get to it tonight.

Doug-Thompson

02-08-2008, 07:01

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-17-01.zip is up.

_Tristan_

02-08-2008, 16:08

Save for the Byzzies

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-17-2.rar

GeneralHankerchief

02-10-2008, 04:08

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-17-3.zip

Zim

02-11-2008, 03:46

I'll get to it within a day. :2thumbsup:

Zim

02-12-2008, 14:55

Sorry for taking so long, guys.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Crusade-17-4.zip

Doug-Thompson

02-12-2008, 15:21

I'll be able to get to this tonight.

Doug-Thompson

02-13-2008, 16:19

Getting the "choose an existing file to upload" problem again.

_Tristan_

02-13-2008, 16:26

Try the link below...

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbmupload.php

Doug-Thompson

02-13-2008, 17:33

I will, but it will be this evening at the earliest.

Doug-Thompson

02-14-2008, 02:36

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Crusade-18-01.zip is up.

_Tristan_

02-15-2008, 18:25

Here is the link for GH

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Crusade-18-2.rar

GeneralHankerchief

02-16-2008, 19:54

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Crusade-18-3.zip

Now to play my Moors turn.

Zim

02-18-2008, 08:26

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/Crusade-18-4.zip

Doug-Thompson

02-18-2008, 18:32

Will get this tonight.

Doug-Thompson

02-19-2008, 15:46

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-19-01.zip is up.

_Tristan_

02-20-2008, 16:29

Purple Rain...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-19-2.rar

GeneralHankerchief

02-21-2008, 22:30

Zim:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-19-3.zip

Zim

02-22-2008, 16:34

Will get to it tonight. :yes:

_Tristan_

02-22-2008, 16:37

I'm doing the write-up at present for turns up to 17 and should have it up in two-three hours time...

GeneralHankerchief

02-22-2008, 18:22

Good write-ups, Tristan. :yes: I really need to do another one.

_Tristan_

02-22-2008, 18:45

Glad you like them, GH

I think those write-ups help for immersion in the game and help me also in being watchful what I do with my characters as I rather become fond of them over the course of the game...

I hope I'm not over-doing it with my depiction of the Byzantine defeats...

Nothing personal, it is only the PoV the storyteller...

GeneralHankerchief

02-22-2008, 18:53

Don't worry, I'll spin it in an entirely different way. :wink:

They're not defeats. They're tactical withdrawals*.

*I hope. :tongue:

_Tristan_

02-22-2008, 19:20

Don't worry, I'll spin it in an entirely different way. :wink:

They're not defeats. They're tactical withdrawals*.

*I hope. :tongue:

That's what I meant tactical withdrawals... did I say defeats ? :oops:

(ahem... that would work if they weren't utterly destroyed...:smash:)

Zim

02-22-2008, 19:37

How do you destroy an army in the field in autocalc? I hit one of EF's armies way back some 5-6 times in one turn, and there will still a few men left.

Ferret

02-22-2008, 19:47

for those who don't know this is what Zim is capable of:

https://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9765/troublesq6.th.jpg (https://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=troublesq6.jpg)

never trust him! :clown:

Zim

02-22-2008, 20:07

Ahhh, good times. :beam:

for those who don't know this is what Zim is capable of:

https://img267.imageshack.us/img267/9765/troublesq6.th.jpg (https://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=troublesq6.jpg)

never trust him! :clown:

_Tristan_

02-22-2008, 20:43

How do you destroy an army in the field in autocalc? I hit one of EF's armies way back some 5-6 times in one turn, and there will still a few men left.

I will tell you the day I destroy Turkey in this game, Novgorod in the Teutonic, and Scotland and Venice in the Grand Campaigns :laugh4:

Zim

02-22-2008, 20:49

We're allies in the Grand Campaigns. :clown:

As long as it isn't something overly gamey. Do armies get destroyed like agents if they're completely surrounded?

I will tell you the day I destroy Turkey in this game, Novgorod in the Teutonic, and Scotland and Venice in the Grand Campaigns :laugh4:

_Tristan_

02-22-2008, 20:50

Something of the kind, yes...

But easier said than done... Practice makes perfect, anyway..

Zim

02-22-2008, 21:00

Something along the lines of surrounding the army then defeating it in battle? Then with nowhere to flee to it's autodestroyed?

I have to think about that one. In the meantime I'll have to ask that it not be done in my two games.

Something of the kind, yes...

But easier said than done... Practice makes perfect, anyway..

_Tristan_

02-22-2008, 21:06

I don't think it is gamey...

It requires to spend some units from your main battle formation, thus weakening it...

Plus it allows something that you could normally do in SP, ie kill enemy stacks to the last man...

Zim

02-22-2008, 21:30

Without knowing how autocalc works, that's hard to say. Splitting an army so that portions of your stack come as reinforcements doesn't seem to change your odds of winning. A recent sea battle, the results of which you'll see when you take the Norway save, suggest that splitting forces has little effect, as long as they are all still involved in the battle.

Part of the reason we autocalc battles is that otherwise, the attacking, human controlled army could obliterate the other with relatively few casualties. A real mp battle between two decent sized stacks would likely result in heavier losses for the winning side than an autocalced one, even if they did chase down all routers.

A large army requires a lot of florins and time to recruit. This exploit enables someone to obliterate a large army just by having a moderately better army for autocalc, or a better general, with fewer losses than would occur in a real mp battle. It's one thing not to worry about people sacking their own cities after recapturing them, or destroying a single agent by surrounding them, but this is potentially gamebreaking.

Because of that I think as a gm I should at least consider it. I'm going to play around with autocalc in SP a bit, and see how much of a difference it makes having to split your forces. At any rate my opinion can't have any effect on those games for which I'm not the gm. :clown:

I don't think it is gamey...

It requires to spend some units from your main battle formation, thus weakening it...

Plus it allows something that you could normally do in SP, ie kill enemy stacks to the last man...

_Tristan_

02-22-2008, 21:46

In fact I think that those hotseats require some inventive thinking to obtain similar results to those you would obtain in SP...

True, it can be seen as an exploit but we have to remember that exploits exists because the AI is just dumb and cannot compete with a human player...

However, in these games, it is one mind against another, nothing prevented you (except your conscience, maybe ) from thinking of this "exploit" or use it now it is in the open, or even think of a counter to this or even invent another twist that will give you an advantage...

Btw, it is not the only way to kill a whole stack, if the circumstances are right...

I hope I conveyed my point in a good way... That's where not being an natural English speaker is an impediment to conveying one's idea clearly... :embarassed:

Zim

02-22-2008, 22:19

Some exploits exist because the AI is moronically stupid, like the ones related to sallies. Some, like this or the surround and destroy agents one, seem to have resulted by mistake.

To my mind using a trick like this is not so much akin to learning a new tactic, as to noticing the deck of cards your playing with is marked, and using that knowledge to cheat your opponents in a poker game. Even if all of the players figure it out eventually, it's still cheating.

I understand your view, and as far as I can tell your English is perfect. :yes: I think we just see the game in a different way. I think it actually lowers competition if it comes to fighting to discover the best exploits. I guess it doesn't help that my main "strategy" game experience comes from chess, where the rules and moves you can make are clearly laid out. :clown:

In fact I think that those hotseats require some inventive thinking to obtain similar results to those you would obtain in SP...

True, it can be seen as an exploit but we have to remember that exploits exists because the AI is just dumb and cannot compete with a human player...

However, in these games, it is one mind against another, nothing prevented you (except your conscience, maybe ) from thinking of this "exploit" or use it now it is in the open, or even think of a counter to this or even invent another twist that will give you an advantage...

Btw, it is not the only way to kill a whole stack, if the circumstances are right...

I hope I conveyed my point in a good way... That's where not being an natural English speaker is an impediment to conveying one's idea clearly... :embarassed:

Zim

02-22-2008, 22:21

Anyway, whatever rules I have in my own games won't affect this one, and if doing that is allowed here, I'll jsut incorporate into my tactics for this game. :beam:

Kind of like the no adoption thing in the MPC. :yes:

Zim

02-23-2008, 11:54

Done.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-19-4.zip

_Tristan_

02-23-2008, 12:19

I guess it doesn't help that my main "strategy" game experience comes from chess, where the rules and moves you can make are clearly laid out. :clown:

Mine is from tabletop wargames where you sometimes learn to combine rules and interpret them to gain some advantage...

Two whole different styles, but I fully understand where you come from... and respect it...

Doug-Thompson

02-24-2008, 19:00

Got the save. Will play soon.

Doug-Thompson

02-25-2008, 15:39

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-20-01.zip is up.

GeneralHankerchief

02-28-2008, 02:02

Bump.

Zim

02-28-2008, 02:05

I think Tristan is waiting to hit all of his turns at once, I forget the exact reason but I think he has to go out of his way to be able to play a turn (no gaming computer at his house, maybe?) so he does that sometimes.

_Tristan_

02-28-2008, 09:32

Sorry..

Played it yesterday but couldn't upload (connection ?)

And then forgot

so here it is

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-20-02.rar

and now to the other hotseats...

Zim

02-28-2008, 09:45

I think you may have a turn in every htoseat you're in right now. :sweatdrop:

and now to the other hotseats...

GeneralHankerchief

02-29-2008, 02:01

Done.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-20-3.zip

Zim

03-02-2008, 08:59

Egypt's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-20-4.zip

Doug-Thompson

03-03-2008, 06:20

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-21-05.zip is up.

_Tristan_

03-03-2008, 22:37

Save for GH

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-21-02.rar

_Tristan_

03-04-2008, 13:53

Happy Birthday, GH !!!

:cake: :birthday2:

If I had known maybe I would have gone softer on you this turn...

Just joking :clown:

GeneralHankerchief

03-05-2008, 04:06

Thanks Tristan.

Unfortunately I'm fresh out of witty comebacks for the moment, so I can't comment on the second part of your post. :cry:

I'll try to get this save tonight. Worst-case scenario, it'll be done tomorrow.

GeneralHankerchief

03-05-2008, 15:20

Zim:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-21-03.zip

Doug-Thompson

03-07-2008, 14:56

Sorry for the delay on this. Zim's asked me to sub for him because of internet connection problems. Will get to it soon. At least I'll be able to play my turn too, so we will catch up quickly.

Doug-Thompson

03-08-2008, 15:05

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-22-01.zip is up.

_Tristan_

03-11-2008, 15:59

Save for the Byzantines :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-22-02.rar

GeneralHankerchief

03-14-2008, 03:23

Sorry for the delay, RL is interfering at the moment. I should have it up tomorrow.

GeneralHankerchief

03-15-2008, 01:30

Here it is:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-22-03.zip

Doug-Thompson

03-15-2008, 03:48

Well, folks, I'm starting a long vacation in Vienna, Austria tomorrow, so this will probably be my last post for over a week. Zim will play my turn, though, so they'll be no interruption.

I'll miss this. Hope the game's still going when I get back.

GeneralHankerchief

03-15-2008, 03:57

I have a feeling it will. I'm not licked yet. :yes:

Have fun in Vienna, Doug.

Zim

03-15-2008, 04:08

Have fun Doug. :yes:

I'll try to take good care of your faction.

_Tristan_

03-15-2008, 20:17

Will Egypt still be there when you get back ? I wonder...

Seeing Zim is at the helm...

:clown:

Zim

03-15-2008, 20:24

I kind of thought they would give all of their provinces except for their capital to Turkey, and then vassalize themselves to the Turks. :clown:

Zim

03-16-2008, 10:23

Almost done, both turns will be up tonight.

I'm taking a cue from Tristan and doing the turns very carefully, especially the one where I'm playing someone else's faction. :yes:

Zim

03-17-2008, 12:32

KOJ's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-23-01.zip

_Tristan_

03-18-2008, 21:14

Now I'm in a tight spot...

I will need some time to play that one as I want to think well on my moves before committing to any path... Plus real life has struck back with a vengeance these last few days... Thursday at the latest, I promise...

Zim

03-18-2008, 21:24

I don't think anyone will have any objections to your taking your time. :yes:

I just hope I don't run Doug's faction into the ground. :sweatdrop: The longer between turns, the fewer I play for him, the less likely I am to screw things up. :clown:

Now I'm in a tight spot...

I will need some time to play that one as I want to think well on my moves before committing to any path... Plus real life has struck back with a vengeance these last few days... Thursday at the latest, I promise...

GeneralHankerchief

03-18-2008, 21:41

Take your time, Tristan. It gives us longer to strategize. :devilish:

_Tristan_

03-20-2008, 15:01

Thnaks for the delay granted...

Here it is...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-23-02.rar

Do your worst...

GeneralHankerchief

03-20-2008, 20:25

I'm not going to get the chance to look at this until tomorrow, and then there's coordination. Expect it up within a couple-few days.

GeneralHankerchief

03-23-2008, 23:35

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-23-03.zip

I won't take as long after KotR is finished.

Doug-Thompson

03-24-2008, 23:13

FYI: I'm back in the saddle. I'll PM Zim.

Zim

03-28-2008, 08:51

Doug's up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-23-04.zip

Forgive the rather silly looking positioning of one of my forces, Tristan. I was going somewhere with it but my efforts were thwarted. :clown:

_Tristan_

03-28-2008, 09:02

I like silly looking positioning, mostly when it comes from my enemy... :laugh4:

You're forgiven already...

Zim

03-28-2008, 09:05

Now, silly positioning doesn't neccessarily mean advantageous to my enemy. Of course, in this case it does. :clown:

I gather you'll figure out what I almost managed to do when you take up the save after Doug. :sweatdrop:

I like silly looking positioning, mostly when it comes from my enemy... :laugh4:

You're forgiven already...

Doug-Thompson

03-29-2008, 20:34

I'm done with my move, but the kids are playing on the computer with a guest. I'll post sometime today or tonight.

_Tristan_

03-29-2008, 20:46

No hurry..

Doug-Thompson

03-29-2008, 22:49

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-24-01.zip is up.

_Tristan_

03-31-2008, 16:09

Sorry fellas, I'm a bit tied up at the moment but I'll do my best to do it before a couple of days have passed...

Doug-Thompson

03-31-2008, 16:11

No hurry on my account. I'm out of town on business and won't be back until Wednesday night at the earliest.

_Tristan_

04-04-2008, 12:20

Sorry fellas, I'm on it but I've had little time to access M2TW (computer is used by my wife...:furious3: )...

What little time I've had I've spent playing my turns in other hotseat I'm involved as they require much less thought than this one...

I should get to it soon anyway...

Real sorry to keep you waiting...

Doug-Thompson

04-04-2008, 16:08

Child rearing. Making a living. Staying married. Where are your priorities, man? ;)

_Tristan_

04-04-2008, 16:35

Child rearing. Making a living. Staying married. Where are your priorities, man? ;)

Yes to hell with that... I will go live in a cave (with wireless, mind you...) as an hermit, leave the kids at the orphanage, and send the wife and the boss packing... So that I can have more time to play M2TW :clown:

_Tristan_

04-05-2008, 16:26

Finally got it done...:sweatdrop:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-24-02.rar

GeneralHankerchief

04-09-2008, 01:59

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-24-03.zip

Zim

04-11-2008, 12:22

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-24-04.zip

To think I came so close to taking Krek de Chevaliers the other turn. It's depressing... :clown:

_Tristan_

04-11-2008, 12:27

Frankly, I got a cold sweat when I saw what could have happened...

Zim

04-11-2008, 12:29

If only you had seen the percentage chance to open the gate. :sweatdrop:

Frankly, I got a cold sweat when I saw what could have happened...

Doug-Thompson

04-11-2008, 15:30

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-25-01.zip is up.

GeneralHankerchief

04-14-2008, 20:54

I have no idea about the new patch's status, but any thought as to what we're going to do about it once/if it comes out?

Zim

04-14-2008, 21:11

It is supposed to be save game compatible, so I guess we could use it.

Biggest fear I have is it will screw up save compatibility for vanilla MTW2 hotseats, like Kingdoms originally did if vanilla users didn't download 1.3

_Tristan_

04-18-2008, 14:57

Sorry if this is dragging too long but my computer-game time has suffered a severe drop and it had to give somewhere...

I've got the save and I've managed to play it somewhat...

I'll try to finish it during the week-end and post it ASAP

_Tristan_

04-21-2008, 12:38

Finally...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-25-02.rar

On a side note, it is possible that the next turns will take almost as long to play unless you go easy on me (which I wouldn't ask for...)

So, let me know if you prefer someone else to play the KoJ in my place to keep a faster pace...

Zim

04-21-2008, 12:44

As long as you put me out of my misery in the Teutonic game quickly, I don't mind waiting a while through your turns. :clown:

GeneralHankerchief

04-21-2008, 14:47

So, let me know if you prefer someone else to play the KoJ in my place to keep a faster pace...

It's no fun kicking a puppy around. It's fun slaying a dragon.

Doug-Thompson

04-21-2008, 23:14

I appreciate the offer, Tristan, but I don't mind waiting.

I also appreciate your point of view, GH — but don't count your dragons until they're slain.

Zim

04-21-2008, 23:38

I personally see what we're doing the game more akin to kicking a dragon, with the same likely unpleasant result. :clown:

Privateerkev

04-21-2008, 23:43

I personally see what we're doing the game more akin to kicking a dragon, with the same likely unpleasant result. :clown:

That is basically what we've done to Tristan in every game he plays. We kick him and he whomps us with his magical auto-resolve powers. ^_^

We piled what, like 4 or 5 guys on him in the Teutonic game? And with very little to show for it. :no:

Zim

04-22-2008, 00:00

Tristan is a very skilled, very careful player who deliberates over every move. The rest of us mooks on the other hand, while undoubtedly skilled players who can easily beat the hapless AI, play our turns in a few minutes and upload them, then are surprised that he outmaneuvers us. Or is that just me? :clown:

That is basically what we've done to Tristan in every game he plays. We kick him and he whomps us with his magical auto-resolve powers. ^_^

We piled what, like 4 or 5 guys on him in the Teutonic game? And with very little to show for it. :no:

Privateerkev

04-22-2008, 00:08

Tristan is a very skilled, very careful player who deliberates over every move. The rest of us mooks on the other hand, while undoubtedly skilled players who can easily beat the hapless AI, play our turns in a few minutes and upload them, then are surprised that he outmaneuvers us. Or is that just me? :clown:

I'm actually very deliberate and a micro-managing fiend. I only uploaded quick because in the beginning of games, there is little to do. But rest assured, I agonized over every single agent, purchase, tax rate, and unit. I have a feeling that if I ever stick with one of these hotseats, I'll end up taking forever when the faction gets large. In my SP games, I spend a couple hours on 1 turn once I'm in the 1300's. o_O

GeneralHankerchief

04-22-2008, 00:12

PK, I have to thank you for leaving me a very nice financial cushion and no enemies in this game. It's certainly helped the war effort out quite a lot.

DLing save now. Let's see whether the problem with the Grand Campaign was with the CD or disk drive.

Zim

04-22-2008, 00:27

I tend to be pretty careful with my turns as well, but I always get the feeling Tristan puts even more thought into them. :sweatdrop:

I'm actually very deliberate and a micro-managing fiend. I only uploaded quick because in the beginning of games, there is little to do. But rest assured, I agonized over every single agent, purchase, tax rate, and unit. I have a feeling that if I ever stick with one of these hotseats, I'll end up taking forever when the faction gets large. In my SP games, I spend a couple hours on 1 turn once I'm in the 1300's. o_O

Privateerkev

04-22-2008, 00:28

PK, I have to thank you for leaving me a very nice financial cushion and no enemies in this game. It's certainly helped the war effort out quite a lot.

Thank Zim. At the beginning of the game, he came to me with a very interesting deal. Basically, if I gave him a ton of florins, he would simply pick up and relocate... right over to Antioch. With no war, I just turned every single coastal settlement into a city. I was raking in so much money, that I ended up giving Zim far more than he was asking. It was worth it. With that money, and having no upkeep for Jihads, he made a massive force and trounced EF in the beginning of the game. With Zim in another part of the map, and EF dead, I could just take over the whole peninsula.

And that is the circumstances that you found your faction in. :2thumbsup:

Zim

04-22-2008, 00:41

Privateerkev

04-22-2008, 00:44

My backup plan if PK refused was to raze all the buildings in my Anatolian settlements and abandon them anyway. No way in heck was I fighting the Byzantines and the Principality at the same time. :clown:

Very wise of you. You would have been caught in a vice. There was no way I was letting you stay in that peninsula. It would have been a very bad move long term for me. But since you actually wanted to leave, I figured I'd help you out. It wasn't Turkish destruction I wished, I just wanted them out of "my" area. :D

What's funny is that I never was able to take that one settlement of yours that went rebel because we mismanaged the hand-off. :laugh4:

auto-resolve was not my friend in that game... :no:

Zim

04-22-2008, 00:54

I was glad you accepted the deal. I didn't end up needing the money (go free upkeep jihad troops!) but it was nice to leave behind a semi-friendly faction.

I think everyone was surprised by how quickly I took out Antioch. If I had angered the Byzantines in my retreat, I may have had more than Tristan to contend with after EF was out. :sweatdrop:

Autoresolve is really no one's friend but Catholic factions and the Teutonic Order's. :clown:

Very wise of you. You would have been caught in a vice. There was no way I was letting you stay in that peninsula. It would have been a very bad move long term for me. But since you actually wanted to leave, I figured I'd help you out. It wasn't Turkish destruction I wished, I just wanted them out of "my" area. :D

What's funny is that I never was able to take that one settlement of yours that went rebel because we mismanaged the hand-off. :laugh4:

auto-resolve was not my friend in that game... :no:

Privateerkev

04-22-2008, 01:01

I was glad you accepted the deal. I didn't end up needing the money (go free upkeep jihad troops!) but it was nice to leave behind a semi-friendly faction.

I think everyone was surprised by how quickly I took out Antioch. If I had angered the Byzantines in my retreat, I may have had more than Tristan to contend with after EF was out. :sweatdrop:

Autoresolve is really no one's friend but Catholic factions and the Teutonic Order's. :clown:

Of course I accepted the deal! The Emperor was a pragmatist. He saw how good it was. He wanted to play the Muslims and Catholics off of each other. Imagine his surprise when one of the Catholics disappeared so fast. That was a slight miscalculation on his part. He didn't want any of the four to die. He just wanted all four to be weak.

What was amusing was KoJ trying to get the Emperor to join in war. That was the last thing the Emperor wanted. He just wanted to sit in his corner of the map and watch the money roll in while his opponents beat each other bloody. Eventually KoJ figured out something was up and threatened some vague retribution.

*edit*

And when I went in to test the passwords, I saw what you did with all that money... very smart... I did my best to not meta-game but I was very impressed. :D

Zim

04-22-2008, 01:23

Privateerkev

04-22-2008, 01:35

You'll have to jog my memory. I recall using mostly my starting funds to hire troops (and with free upkeep, I never had a shortage of money early on), gifting money to Doug, and building in all of my settlements.

It was the gifting that caught me off guard. When I logged in with people's passwords to test them, a diplomatic screen popped up for Doug gifting him a crap-load of money. :laugh4:

In hindsight, it seems logical but I didn't think of it at the time.

Zim

04-22-2008, 01:37

Ah, that. I was making a ton of money each turn because almost all of my soldiers were on Jihad, and I knew that the KOJ was larger than the Principality and Egypt weaker militarily than Turkey, so I gave Doug all of my extra money. I think I did it more than just that turn. :yes:

It was the gifting that caught me off guard. When I logged in with people's passwords to test them, a diplomatic screen popped up for Doug gifting him a crap-load of money. :laugh4:

In hindsight, it seems logical but I didn't think of it at the time.

Privateerkev

04-22-2008, 01:41

Zim

04-22-2008, 02:28

I'd be curious to know if the money made much of a difference for Egypt. :yes:

Doug-Thompson

04-22-2008, 02:31

I'd be curious to know if the money made much of a difference for Egypt. :yes:

It was the difference between survival and death. I only kept KoJ out of Egypt's core lands by the thinnest of margins.

Zim

04-22-2008, 02:38

It's nice to hear it made such a big difference. :2thumbsup:

It was the difference between survival and death. I only kept KoJ out of Egypt's core lands by the thinnest of margins.

Privateerkev

04-22-2008, 02:41

It's nice to hear it made such a big difference. :2thumbsup:

It is amusing to learn that my scheming made such a big difference. I helped kill one faction and helped save another. So much for being neutral in that game...

Zim

04-24-2008, 00:50

Hey guys,
I don't mind Tristan taking his time on turns but I have to admit my life will be getting rather busier over the next couple months. I'm going to have to cut out a couple of hotseats to be able to keep up, especially if I want to write stories for my my character when the new KOTR starts.

I was actually kind of expecting the Kingdoms hotseats to be getting near their end before summer. The Teutonic one did, and the Britannia campaign is getting there, but at its current rate this game could take a very long time. :sweatdrop:

I geuss what I'm saying is that I may have to make some difficult choices in the coming weeks, but I'll make sure to keep you guys informed well in advance. ~:(

_Tristan_

04-24-2008, 08:07

Don't worry... With the Teutonic at an end, my getting eliminated from the MPC and only BC on my plate, I should be able to get this done much quicker from here on...

Doug-Thompson

04-26-2008, 09:26

The upload link is acting up. What's that alternate site?

Zim

04-26-2008, 10:37

Here it is. :yes:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbmupload.php

The upload link is acting up. What's that alternate site?

Ferret

04-26-2008, 10:37

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbmupload.php

Doug-Thompson

04-26-2008, 14:27

Thanks. The kids are on the game computer now. I'll kick them off if it takes too long.

Doug-Thompson

04-26-2008, 15:19

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/Crusade-25-03.zip is up.

Doug-Thompson

04-28-2008, 13:22

Clarification: This wasn't Egypt's turn. I had to play GH's because of technical difficulties. He told me what he wanted done. Zim's up.

Doug-Thompson

04-30-2008, 04:55

Zim's swamped, so with his permission I've played his turn, following his directions, and mine.

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/Crusade-26-01.zip is up for the KoJ.

I don't know what kind of elaborate trap you've set, Tristan, but I've taken your bait. Jerusalem is taken and sacked. Baldwin was too far to intervene. He'll now exact revenge on the occupiers, but my warriors will have earned Paradise.

Doug-Thompson

05-05-2008, 20:35

Bump

_Tristan_

05-06-2008, 08:17

Sorry guys but I'm swamped at work...

I just managed to take a quick look at the save...

Plus I'm gonna be AFK from Wednesday till Monday...

I'll do my best to post the save before leaving but I'm not sure I can do it...

So much to do, so little time to do it in...

_Tristan_

05-07-2008, 14:29

OK, here it is...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusade-26-02.rar

Doug-Thompson

05-07-2008, 21:41

Well, now I'm going to be gone too.

My daughter is graduating college at Texas A&M on Saturday. I'm leaving tonight. I won't have time to look at this before I go, and won't be back until Thursday of next week.

If anybody's still having technical difficulties with playing their turn or a serious time crunch, any arrangement you guys work out is fine with me.

GeneralHankerchief

05-07-2008, 21:51

Congrats Doug :medievalcheers:

Perhaps it's time to put this campaign to bed. I'm out indefinitely, Doug's going to be gone for a while, and Tristan's swamped for time. Seems like real life is all hitting us pretty hard.

You three have put more time in this campaign than me, but I'm cool with leaving things in a freeze and the struggle for the Middle East, as always, open. What do you guys think?

Doug-Thompson

05-07-2008, 22:10

I always defer to real life. It seems like we're all hammered for time. I'm willing to go along with the majority.

Zim

05-07-2008, 22:37

I find that idea acceptable on one condition. You guys have to work with me to do one last story (all cooperatively or each separately, either or) to provide a sort of open ended conclusion to one of the Throne Room's greatest aars, so I can link to it in the Gahzette article I'll be doing on the end of the game. :yes: