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Abokasee
11-19-2007, 22:11
Seriously this isnt a spam thread! really it isnt! just read it!
If there are black holes, the most be white holes, making planets move away from it, and because of that there must be Grey holes, (this possibly being what are sun might orbit around) which are just gravity, and nothing else, its not dragging stuff in, or pushing out stuff, its just gravity, doing nothing, and this what all there was at the begging, then 1 day, it rapidly transforms into a black hole, then becoming a white hole, growing in size, then suddenly going smaller, great massive of fricton on its self, suddenly causing the big bang, then it sort of goes on from there.
so what do you think? :beam:
Its only a theory, been thinking of it for the whole day so it had to get it out my head at some point
Pharnakes
11-19-2007, 22:14
Seriously this isnt a spam thread! really it isnt! just read it!
I have read it.
And I still don't belive you.:beam:
Abokasee
11-19-2007, 22:20
I have read it.
And I still don't belive you.:beam:
The theory or the thread not being spam?
Seriously this isnt a spam thread! really it isnt! just read it!
If there are black holes, the most be white holes, making planets move away from it, and because of that there must be Grey holes, (this possibly being what are sun might orbit around) which are just gravity, and nothing else, its not dragging stuff in, or pushing out stuff, its just gravity, doing nothing, and this what all there was at the begging, then 1 day, it rapidly transforms into a black hole, then becoming a white hole, growing in size, then suddenly going smaller, great massive of fricton on its self, suddenly causing the big bang, then it sort of goes on from there.
so what do you think? :beam:
Its only a theory, been thinking of it for the whole day so it had to get it out my head at some point
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God said it, and *BANG*! It happened. ~;)
Really, if your theory is correct, then where did the grey hole come from?
It's about damn time that we add abokasix to this list here (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/).
:balloon2:
How can there be anything (Gray holes and any other kind of stuff) BEFORE the big bang? :dizzy2:
What about the purple holes?
Seriously, interesting idea with the white hole, but the science needs some work. Fields like gravity and magnetism don't bend without some sort of actor in play. Not sure what would theoretically push matter away from it on a gravitational field. Also, fields like gravity and magnetism didn't exist until after the big bang, problem there as well.
https://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n73/kawaiku/Random%20Images/BigBangTheory.jpg
'nuff said
CountArach
11-20-2007, 00:22
https://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n73/kawaiku/Random%20Images/BigBangTheory.jpg
'nuff said
That is an awesome photo.
On a semi-related matter, has anyone had a look at the night vision in Google Earth? I spent hours upon hours when I should've been studying. Some of the stuff up there truly amazed me.
woad&fangs
11-20-2007, 01:39
What about the purple holes?
Seriously, interesting idea with the white hole, but the science needs some work. Fields like gravity and magnetism don't bend without some sort of actor in play. Not sure what would theoretically push matter away from it on a gravitational field. Also, fields like gravity and magnetism didn't exist until after the big bang, problem there as well.
You just had to be an ***hole and ruin a perfectly good theory, didn't you.
Slug For A Butt
11-20-2007, 05:07
What perfectly good theory? It sounds like something hes ripped off from a poor pub comedian, no thinking, no physics, no logic, no proper explanation and no humour.
Why is a purple hole any more silly?
If there are black holes, the most be white holes, making planets move away from it, and because of that there must be Grey holes
Great logic... because we have X-rays, we must have W-waves that are the opposite and Z-waves that are different again? Oh, and I forgot to mention C-waves...
But seriously, Grant Naylor are better, funnier people to plagiarise for this sort of thing.
Seems like spam to me.
Each to their own, but in my opinion this pointless thread should be :closed:
Kekvit Irae
11-20-2007, 06:24
What happened BEFORE the Big Bang is one of life's great mysteries. It is possible that another universe existed before this one, in which all the stars finally burned out and created massive black holes everywhere, which collided with each other and created new energy.
Other than theories, there is virtually nothing to prove what came before with the Big Bang or what caused it.
Justiciar
11-20-2007, 09:03
I'm afraid I can't keep this charade going much longer. 'twas I caused the bang! And I would have gotten away with it too, were it not for those meddling scientists.
https://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n73/kawaiku/Random%20Images/BigBangTheory.jpg
'nuff said
:laugh4: :laugh4:
The big problem with any theory, is that it does not explain how something can exist endlessly backwards in time. If there was nothing before big bang, then this atom-sized or less singularity must have been in that state endlessly back in time. :sweatdrop:
macsen rufus
11-20-2007, 14:28
Except time began with the big bang as well, so "before the big bang" never existed. Personally I prefer to see the big bang as the final blow of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's divine war against the Slithering Macaroni Ogre :book:
Except time began with the big bang as well, so "before the big bang" never existed. Personally I prefer to see the big bang as the final blow of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's divine war against the Slithering Macaroni Ogre :book:
In this singulartiy I assume there was time since there was matter present, even though it was...rather...compact.
Ayachuco
11-20-2007, 16:59
I believe that this is just a theory of confusion; I'm talking about the official theory, not Akobasee's since his would actually make sense.
Now they're trying to convince people that there could have been multiple big bangs before us or maybe we are the first of a continuos line of big bangs once we have been enveloped by the big crunch. So if nothing existed before the big bang, then how could there have been multiple big bangs that occured before us. Another question that arises from this conclusion is how was time affected. Is Time actually a 4th dimension that is always there or is it a unit of measurement that only exists as long there is semi-intelligent beings to measure it. Was Time born from the Big Bang or was it already there. And what about the location of the big bang? Since the universe is constantly expanding (with some regions contracting space-time) in all directions including time, the universe does not have a center or to put it in a better phrase: a central point from where all matter was expulsed. How is this possible? If the Big Bang was a single point, where is the center of the universe? We should be able to track the radiation remains of the Big Bang to a single point. Instead what we're getting is the radiation appears to be everywhere in space. Some people have answered that question by saying since the universe is expanding the space-time fabric, the resulting radiation would also be stretched apart. But this explanation only poses more questions than anwsers. Would this make every point in the universe the center of the universe but just stretched out? So space was not created by the Big Bang, it only stretched out that single point it occupied into the space that we see today? This is the problem with this theory about the Big Bang. If you really think about it, this isn't a theory of how the universe was created; it is a theory of how the universe changes. All of these contradictions and increpancies is what makes this theory is impossible to put on paper. Who said astrophysicists had to be perfect.
You can thank my senior year astronomy teacher for this info. We had a great conversation about this topic during the last week of school when a friend and I were helping him raiding the planetarium of anything of value before its supposedly demolition of 2008/9.
lol, the FIRST matter or energy of ANY kind; where did it come from?
lol, the FIRST matter or energy of ANY kind; where did it come from?
If we assume the universe has always been there, then there is no such thing as a first matter of energy.
Why does everything needs to have a beginning? Why not accept that the universe has always been there.
Ayachuco
11-20-2007, 17:23
They say that the Big Bang was an extremely dense ball of fire and matter when the Big Bang Bang occured. We don't know exactly what happened before the Big Bang Banged. Another contradiction of the Big Bang theory.
Perhaps the matter/energy came from another dimension? But then one could pose the question where did that dimension come from. or perhaps a science fiction story can better explain it.
The story was that two human scientists made a machine that could transport them to an extra-dimension, a dimension that is above all other dimensions. It transports them into a laboratory where the see other beings or guests of the scientist who created and subsequently destroys all of the dimensions. Our dimension is still being tinkered with and the scientist (god) decides it is time for the humans to die. The scientists and two other aliens try to stop the scientist. The scientist unleashes his rage on them but a force shield prevents him from harming the group and it traps him in a globe. The group destroys the globe and try to find a way to go home. They build another machine w/ the help of the aliens and go home. One of the scientist winded up on an old Earth with a red giant Sun. He is there to witness the twilight of humanity huddled in his cave with a group of humans worshipping him as a God. There is still one thing on his mind and provides a moral or a twist to the story.
Who put up the shield around the scientist-god? Was it another scientist who decide it was time for that scientist to die? Is there another dimension that is even higher than that one inhabited by a supreme scientist-god?
I think this provides a good metaphor for the Big Bang Theory; we will never really know what happened before or why the Big Bang occured.
The Big Bang was caused by Baby Jesus when he mixed Pop Rocks with Coca Cola...
If we assume the universe has always been there, then there is no such thing as a first matter of energy.
Why does everything needs to have a beginning? Why not accept that the universe has always been there.
Well if I understand the Big Bang theory correctly, then all matter was gathered in a singularity before the explosion; thus the matter and energy has always been present. According to physics, matter nor energy can dissapear or be created.
And the thought of endless time to have passed makes me dizzy. :dizzy2:
Pharnakes
11-20-2007, 18:18
The theory or the thread not being spam?
Both.
lol, so you either have to believe that matter has existed all along, or that it was created, correct?
Rodion Romanovich
11-20-2007, 19:52
The big problem with any theory, is that it does not explain how something can exist endlessly backwards in time. If there was nothing before big bang, then this atom-sized or less singularity must have been in that state endlessly back in time. :sweatdrop:
Indeed, the only thing about the big bang theory that is any certain at all is that there was a bang of matter. What was before that, was perhaps a lot of matter rushing together towards a single point? Or something else... I think time must span backwards in time infinitely, because no time at all is a paradox the way we usually define "time". Then again, on a macroscoping level, why would contraditions be impossible? Our brains are only made to cope with running around naked hunting and mating, and everything else we've been able to do are just sideeffects, not goals of their own. Why would our brains even have a capacity of comprehending the macroscoping level of the universe, or have any intuition about what seems reasonable and not?
:balloon2:
Rhyfelwyr
11-20-2007, 20:16
Maybe because the universe expands and contracts there is a constant line of Big Bangs that keep going on forever. So before our universe there would have been an older one?
What I don't understand, and probably people are not supposed to understand (although I may be about to be made to appear an idiot), is why there is anything at all. It just doesn't make sense.
But obviously my second paragraph can't be right, because there is existence.:shrug:
When I used to try to imagine absolutedly nothing I just ended up feeling dizzy and once nearly drifted off into some sort of meditation. So I don't do that anymore.:dizzy2:
Well if I understand the Big Bang theory correctly, then all matter was gathered in a singularity before the explosion; thus the matter and energy has always been present. According to physics, matter nor energy can dissapear or be created.
And the thought of endless time to have passed makes me dizzy. :dizzy2:
But where was that matter? How can it be composed when there is no universe? You need a universe to say that something is small or else it's just endlesslybig because it's all there is. :dizzy2:
Or in other words, where would you theoretically end up if you could go beyond the border of the universe?
What I don't understand, and probably people are not supposed to understand (although I may be about to be made to appear an idiot), is why there is anything at all. It just doesn't make sense.
That's my line ouf thought exactly, but our theory stands little chance in the scientific community. ~D
But where was that matter? How can it be composed when there is no universe? You need a universe to say that something is small or else it's just endlesslybig because it's all there is. :dizzy2:
Or in other words, where would you theoretically end up if you could go beyond the border of the universe?
All of the universe was inside this singularity; or better: the singularity was the universe. I can say it is small, because our definition of small does not change as the universe expands. ~;p
Being outside the universe is, AFAIK, a paradox, since the universe will expand with you when you move outside it.
Or, after I read your post more carefully, the nothingness of the "outside" expands infite (even though it cannot expand since it does not exist); apart from if there is some mechanism like the one you find in the Asteroids arcade game: go out on the left and come back in on the right. ~D
All of the universe was inside this singularity; or better: the singularity was the universe.
That was my point, so the big bang theory does not explain how the universe was created, only how it expanded. :sweatdrop:
Geoffrey S
11-20-2007, 21:25
I prefer the version where it's a 'pull my finger' joke by (enter your Deity here) that got way out of hand.
That was my point, so the big bang theory does not explain how the universe was created, only how it expanded. :sweatdrop:
Yes, this singulairty existed infinitely backwards in time, yet one day it decided to explode. ~D
(I think I've missed out on something on the BB theory, else it does not at all seem plausible :inquisitive: )
1rst TosaInu was born.
Then, the rest came.
Rhyfelwyr
11-20-2007, 22:41
Considering how the BB theory has often been considered as fact (at least by less knowledgeable people like moi), it's pretty full of gaping black holes. It doesn't really explain anything at all, it doesn't even go into why there was anything to create the BB, AFAIK.
Oh great here I go thinking about nothingness again...:wall: :wall: :wall:
It seems we'll never know, until some scientiests destroy the universe with thier Swiss Particle Cannons or whatever they're called. (OK I got that from C&C Generals, Mr. Bush can use it against the GLA!):idea2:
The Stranger
11-21-2007, 20:28
the belief in the law of physics is just as any other sort of extremism
Papewaio
11-22-2007, 00:55
Belief... maybe
Understanding it... not at all.
I'd like to see non-believers-er-understanders of physics try and fly... after all if it isn't real why can't you ignore gravity?
Papewaio
11-22-2007, 01:10
Considering how the BB theory has often been considered as fact (at least by less knowledgeable people like moi), it's pretty full of gaping black holes. It doesn't really explain anything at all, it doesn't even go into why there was anything to create the BB, AFAIK.
What gaping holes? You do realise that the Big Bang is a theory much like Gravity. It explains things like the ratio of Hydrogen to other elements in the Universe. It also explains the ratio of Protons to Neutrons in the universe. It helps to explain the red shift etc etc.
The theory of gravity also doesn't explain what was before the universe. The interesting thing about the start of the Universe is that all the Physical laws for it were created at that point, mass, energy, space and time all started. So since time started with the inception of the universe it is a bit hard to talk about what happened before it... mind you the speculations are fun... what we do think is that not enough or maybe no information remained in tact to say why... if there was any information to transfer that is.
I once heard this:
To say that everything came from the Big Bang is like saying babies come from maternity wards.
The Stranger
11-22-2007, 20:23
Belief... maybe
Understanding it... not at all.
I'd like to see non-believers-er-understanders of physics try and fly... after all if it isn't real why can't you ignore gravity?
thats why i say belief... :P
gravity is very much real, and so is life, but there are multiple theories about both... though if you challenge the theory of gravity you are more a madman than if you challenge the theory of life...
Rhyfelwyr
11-22-2007, 20:25
Sigurd's post sums up how I feel. Why was there a BB? The theory only appears to say what happened after the totally random explosion in the middle of nowhere.
Anyway my line of thinking obviously isn't right as the BB did happen. It just can't understand why it did.:dizzy2:
That :dizzy2: smilie is going to get used a lot in this thread BTW...
Rodion Romanovich
11-22-2007, 21:14
Isn't the problem rather: "which of the many causes of a BB should we choose to trust", than "how could a BB possibly happen"?
The_Mark
11-22-2007, 22:02
Yes, this singulairty existed infinitely backwards in time, yet one day it decided to explode. ~D
(I think I've missed out on something on the BB theory, else it does not at all seem plausible :inquisitive: )
There was no time before the Big Bang. Time was one of the things the singularity splurted out.
There was no time before the Big Bang. Time was one of the things the singularity splurted out.
So if matter gets compressed enough, time will stop..?
Beefy187
11-23-2007, 02:07
Big Bang was caused by humans going psyco starting a nuclear war BANG! everything exploded.. And now we have to start from the beginning... Its like resetting the save game in Pokemon coz you felt like it. And how did we get pokemon in the first place? Thats a mystery..
Pharnakes
11-23-2007, 02:30
So if matter gets compressed enough, time will stop..?
No cause, even if all matter in the universe shrinks, the unverse will still exist ouside of the matter, so it won't return to a preBB state.
No cause, even if all matter in the universe shrinks, the unverse will still exist ouside of the matter, so it won't return to a preBB state.
The matter IS the universe, along with the dark matter and the dark energy. Time can be defined as the universe going from order to disorder if I'm not mistaken.
Pharnakes
11-23-2007, 14:20
But there is empty space in the universe, places where there is not even dark matter present.
Rhyfelwyr
11-23-2007, 14:49
But what is this matter and where did it come from to make the BB?
But there is empty space in the universe, places where there is not even dark matter present.
Supposedly not:
A perfect vacuum with a gaseous pressure of absolute zero is a philosophical concept that is never observed in practice, not least because quantum theory predicts that no volume of space can be perfectly empty in this way. Physicists often use the term "vacuum" slightly differently. They discuss ideal test results that would occur in a perfect vacuum, which they simply call "vacuum" or "free space" in this context, and use the term partial vacuum to refer to the imperfect vacua realized in practice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum
Pharnakes
11-23-2007, 18:36
Ahh, but there is, though, albeit very small places. So if small "holes" can exist, why not big ones if all the matter gets compresed?
The article state that no such "smal holes" exist.
Here's some more:
All of the observable universe is filled with large numbers of photons, the so-called cosmic background radiation, and quite likely a correspondingly large number of neutrinos. The current temperature of this radiation is about 3 K, or -270 degrees Celsius or -454 degrees Fahrenheit.
If I get it right, only outside of the universe does absolute vacuum exist.
If all of universe was compressed to a singularity again, then the universe could not keep existing outside it; that's a paradox.
You do realise today's science can't accomodate any singularities?
Papewaio
11-23-2007, 23:52
You do realise that having unknowns in science is like having an unlimited supply of chocolate for a choco-holic.
When all the unknowns have been found, so endth science and we will be down to engineering and accountants. yah!:inquisitive:
I was merely pointing out that the singularity theory is too old and quantum mechanics don't allow a perfect singularity.
I wasn't aware of that. :inquisitive: Now then, where was the matter before the BB , or am I asking teh wrong question? :tongue:
Pharnakes
11-24-2007, 17:30
You are asking the wrong question, in the sense that nobody will ever be able to answer it. So it's a pretty pointless question.
I wasn't aware of that. :inquisitive: Now then, where was the matter before the BB , or am I asking teh wrong question? :tongue:
Not really... and I guess you have partly answered it yourself. But it is as Pape said, there are many unanswered questions and science will alter the answers as time progresses.
If we pursue the current answers we find that quantum mechanics don't allow a perfect singularity. What then do quantum mechanics have to offer as a replacement?
Well it says as you already proposed that there can be no place in the universe where there is nothing. Any cubic inch of the universe is full of particles, waves, fields, energies and interactions. Even if you were to remove every atom of that cubic inch, there would be lots of electromagnetic waves or photons left not speaking about the billion CMB photons from the big bang itself. Even if you were to remove all those there would still be gravitational fields which carry vast amounts of energy. What we can gather from this is that there were no “nothing” at a point in time where all came from. Energy has always existed in some form. The creatio ex nihilo becomes as absurd as it sounds.
A few theories have been developed from quantum mechanics and I guess the multiverse is the popular one; our universe is a bubble in a greater empty (which we have discussed, is really not empty) space called the multiverse. A host of other universes exists within this infinite multiverse. Other theories involve the inflationary universe and string theory or M-theory.
Rhyfelwyr
11-24-2007, 21:10
But how could this energy just appear out of nowhere to make the multiverse?
But how could this energy just appear out of nowhere to make the multiverse? You might say that this multiverse is the first cause if you should argue the Kalam cosmological argument.
Papewaio
11-25-2007, 23:56
But how could this energy just appear out of nowhere to make the multiverse?
Just to make your headspin. Not only did the singularity release energy, and create time...but it also created space. So it created the somewhere to put the energy into. :juggle2: So the energy appeared and made somewhere. :2thumbsup:
El Diablo
11-26-2007, 01:31
Is this a chicken - egg discussion?
Matter there caused the big bang or the big bang caused the matter.
Does it matter or is someone getting a bang out of this. :embarassed:
Papewaio
11-26-2007, 04:14
Proto-chicken then chicken egg. Over easy. :laugh4:
El Diablo
11-28-2007, 02:00
Of course - the proto-chciken.
I feel like running down the street naked yelling "eureka" - but I feel that we maybe in for the end of the world.
N1H5 + Proto-chicken = armaggedon.
Run you fooooooollllllssss :laugh4:
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