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Anyone interested in starting a hotseat campaign for Kingdoms- the crusades?
If so I'll take Antioch
Kingdom of Jerusalem - Tristan de Castelreng (France GMT+2)
Principality of Antioch - Elite Ferret (UK GMT+1)
Egypt - Doug-Thompson (US central GMT-5)
Turkey - PrivateerKev
The Byzantine Empire - Zim
All battles will be auto resolved and the console will be disabled.
AntiochElite Ferret1JerusalemTristan_de_Castelreng2ByzantinesZim3TurksPrivateerKev4EgyptiansDoug-Thompson5
gibsonsg91921
09-01-2007, 23:37
perhaps when i get kingdoms - i should get 'er soon
i'm the same a gibsong i'm just gathering necessary funds.
okay let me know when your ready
_Tristan_
09-03-2007, 17:23
I will give it a try as soon as I get kingdoms... Waiinting for a friend coming back from the States with it in his luggage...
P.S. : I'd like to play Jerusalem
I've got Kingdoms and will install it ASAP
[EDIT] I've installed Kingdoms, it runs fine and I'm ready to go...
_Tristan_
09-06-2007, 21:26
Just a bump
Doug-Thompson
09-06-2007, 23:04
Never tried this. How does it work?
_Tristan_
09-07-2007, 08:45
Never tried this. How does it work?
Quite simple in fact
All you need is have Kingdoms crusades installed...
The first player plays his turn saves and upload the save to the pbm thread here on the Org or Filefront.
The second player down loads it and plays his turn and so on...
Player/AI battles are generally played out in your turn whereas PvP battles are auto-resolved
PvP Diplomacy has to be agreed in advance and exchange of PM for diplomacy is encouraged (Some behind the scenes dealing...:inquisitive: )
Console is out
That's about it...
Hope to have you on board (maybe as the Turks ?)
We'll discuss the rules once all players are ready and I may start up a diplomacy thread and make a rule that all official dealings are done in public but there should not be much to discuss seeing as everyone but the Byzantines starts of with a war and an alliance. I will start the game off with the proper options we will use and uploaad the file as 'Crusades1-1' to mean first turn then first player. All you need to do is download your save save and play your turn simple. I will post a table to show everyone their number when everyone has joined.
_Tristan_
09-07-2007, 17:58
No problem here ...
How goes recruitment ?
i've gotten word from Doug and he seems OK to go (with perhaps a bit of help on the techncal side of things (dow/uploads and so on...)
From I read he would choose Egypt and then Turks in preference order
yep he sent me the same message hopefully he will upload files to the right place and he can have Egypt
I've only had negative responses other than Doug but some people may get Kingdoms soon.
You realise this means that you will be fighting Doug for most of the game lol
_Tristan_
09-07-2007, 18:45
Looking forward to i in fact ...lol
Him having written the Missile Cavalry Guide...
don't worry about that all battles will be autoresolved to make it fair on all players
Doug-Thompson
09-07-2007, 19:56
I love it when my reputation precedes me, especially when it's unearned.
I've never played online or multi-player anything, and will probably get my head handed to me on a platter. Could be a quick game, folks. I'm a theorist, which is nice and easy when you don't have to back it up.
:egypt:
_Tristan_
09-07-2007, 20:15
Too bad about the autoresolve...
I had forgotten about it...
Cecil XIX
09-07-2007, 20:17
Although I'm not likely to get Kingdoms anytime soon, I must say what a wonderful idea this is. Hotseat campaigns like this, where there are only a handful of factions and everyone can have a player, look like they'll be a lot of fun.
_Tristan_
09-07-2007, 20:22
@Bob : When making the table listing factions and players could you add locations and local time of players
okay I think I am in GMT+1 atm bacause of daylight saving time what time zone are you in Doug?
_Tristan_
09-07-2007, 21:31
okay I think I am in GMT+1 atm bacause of daylight saving time what time zone are you in Doug?
GMT does not vary with DST, it is standard..
It is just to know when I have most chances of reaching other players
well at the bottom of the page it says 'all times are GMT+1' and that time is the same as on my clock so I guess I am in GMT+1
_Tristan_
09-07-2007, 21:36
well at the bottom of the page it says 'all times are GMT+1' and that time is the same as on my clock so I guess I am in GMT+1
OK my bad...Mine is GMT+2
_Tristan_
09-07-2007, 21:41
Right on the mark
Proletariat
09-07-2007, 22:07
I'd like to gives this a shot as the Turks, if it's still open. Never tried any hot seat games before, but it sounds fun.
Doug-Thompson
09-07-2007, 22:17
okay I think I am in GMT+1 atm bacause of daylight saving time what time zone are you in Doug?
U.S. Central Time, which is GMT -5.
At this moment, it's the 9:10 p.m. in Greenwich and 4:10 p.m. here.
So if we're trying to do this all at once, with people making moves in fast succession, we may have a bit of a problem.
If you really need another person Bob I'll be Byzzies
Edit: but I won't be able to take turns in the weekends
The Outsider
09-07-2007, 22:35
this looks quite interesting i will get the game in a few weeks time and than if u guys r around here i would love to join you.
okay Proletariat can take Turkey and Stig can have Byzantium, don't worry about the timezones Tristan just wanted to check where everyone is, we'll get started as soon as possible (tommorrow if we can get the rules straight).
Don't worry The Turk in a few weeks time I may start another one
Doug-Thompson
09-07-2007, 23:20
I will be out of town tomorrow. Sunday evening at the earliest for me.
don't worry I think the Egyptians are one of the last factions to have a turn, we'll sort it out tomorrow, I'm going to bed
_Tristan_
09-08-2007, 09:12
Nice to know we'll finally be starting
Welcome Stig and Proletariat
@Doug : Don't worry about time zones... It was to know if yoou could be online at any given time
here is the list of players in order, the number is what to put after the file when you upload it (eg the file that Doug would download for his 3rd turn would be 'Crusades-3-5' the 3 to represent turn number and the 5 is Doug's number. He would then upload a file as 'Crusades-4-1' for me. I hope this is clear for everyone.
AntiochElite Ferret1JerusalemTristan_de_Castelreng2ByzantinesZim3TurksPrivateerKev4EgyptiansDoug-Thompson5
I will start the game on Hard difficulty unless anyone has any major objections
Please make it medium, I suck at this game really, especially on hard
my turn is played and uploaded as Crusades-1-2 for Tristan
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-1-2.sav
ahh come on I've never played a game on hard either and remember all battles and stuff are autoresolved
ahh come on I've never played a game on hard either and remember all battles and stuff are autoresolved
Yes, but the only reason I can survive on Hard is because I pwn the AI in battles.
Anyway, I'll give it a try, but I'm no campaign player, I only play MP normally, and can't do that anymore because GameSpy decides to be bloody irritating.
Don't worry th Byzantines start off in quite a good place, if you ally with the muslims you can concentrate on rebels and repelling the venetians when they come or you can ally with the crusaders and help me fight the turks, and tbh i usually play on easy lol because I end up getting the crap kicked out of me, the only hard battle i've ever fought was agianst rebels in KotR
Is KotR Hard?
mmm I didn't even know that?
yh isn't it on H/vH difficulty, it was a pretty easy battle for me though, just a bunch of rebels
_Tristan_
09-08-2007, 15:47
I've downloaded the save...
I'll play it ASAP and post then...
Proletariat
09-08-2007, 16:20
I've never played the game on anything but m/m either, looking forward to my imminent pwning :P
lol well none of us seem to have played on hard before, this should be interesting
_Tristan_
09-08-2007, 17:25
I generally play on H/VH in SP
Playing right now, should be posted tonight
I generally play on H/VH in SP
Congrats on the victory mate
_Tristan_
09-08-2007, 21:29
OK I have posted the save here (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/?C=M;O=D)
It's the Byzantine turn... (save is Crusades-1-3.rar)
cool, so it's Stig's turn but he said he won't be able to play on weekends so we'll just wait till Monday :)
cool, so it's Stig's turn but he said he won't be able to play on weekends so we'll just wait till Monday :)
Nah, tomorrow about 21:00 your time
ok nice one, btw remember to guard Constantinople :2thumbsup:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-1-4.zip
Next
cool, so it's Proletariat's turn now
StoneCold
09-09-2007, 23:37
I thought campaign difficulties make it easier for the AI factions to recruit, get cash, etc. Since all factions except the rebels, Mongols and Venetians are taken, it shouldn't matter most of the turns until they show up?
Proletariat
09-10-2007, 01:08
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-1-5.sav.zip
Your up, Doug. Let's show these infidels the light.
:charge:
https://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4472/0043kv6.th.jpg (https://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0043kv6.jpg)
:skull:
Edit: Oh, and US EST here. GMT -4
Boyar Son
09-10-2007, 02:33
Sorry to come in between this but are you guys fighting each other?
If so then maybe I could join when another hotseat is made (also when I get my copy of Kingdoms)
Thanks :2thumbsup:
I thought campaign difficulties make it easier for the AI factions to recruit, get cash, etc. Since all factions except the rebels, Mongols and Venetians are taken, it shouldn't matter most of the turns until they show up?
Venetians?
Nooooooooo
https://img166.imageshack.us/img166/4472/0043kv6.th.jpg (https://img166.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0043kv6.jpg)
:skull:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! that's the one annoying thing about hotseat campaigns - you have no idea what happens to your forces outside of your turn. I probably would never have realised the loss of my diplomat if you hadn't posted this.
Sorry to come in between this but are you guys fighting each other?
If so then maybe I could join when another hotseat is made (also when I get my copy of Kingdoms)
Thanks :2thumbsup:
when this one has finished I will probably start up a Teutonic hotseat and your welcome to join that one :2thumbsup:
_Tristan_
09-10-2007, 16:31
Sorry for your loss...
And if all goes well with this one, count me in for a Teutonic Campaign
_Tristan_
09-10-2007, 16:34
Venetians?
Nooooooooo
Just when you thought you had it easy...
PS : Any news from Doug ?
no he's in the US so he'll probably be on later, btw check your PMs Tristan
Just when you thought you had it easy...
Yeah, I thought I had a save place on the map, just spam some armies and go after the Turks
Don't worry th Byzantines start off in quite a good place, if you ally with the muslims you can concentrate on rebels and repelling the venetians when they come or you can ally with the crusaders and help me fight the turks, and tbh i usually play on easy lol because I end up getting the crap kicked out of me, the only hard battle i've ever fought was agianst rebels in KotR
ok nice one, btw remember to guard Constantinople :2thumbsup:
don't say I didn't warn you :laugh4: , don't worry they only get three half stacks and in all my 1p campaigns they just sacked Constantinople once and then just sat outside it when the Byzantines retook it
Proletariat
09-10-2007, 18:16
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! that's the one annoying thing about hotseat campaigns - you have no idea what happens to your forces outside of your turn. I probably would never have realised the loss of my diplomat if you hadn't posted this.
FWIW, I think it was actually a Piety 2 priest.
I think I'll prolly have to turtle in Turkey until the Venetians come and help them pwn stig, unless maybe we can reach some sort of defense pact. :shakehands:
OT, it seems like there's enough interest to start a new pbm for Kingdoms, judging from all the posts here. One of you ought to put up a post about it here or in the MTW2 forum and see if you can get 4 or 5 folks.
FWIW, I think it was actually a Piety 2 priest.
~:doh: that's even worse than a diplomat!
OT, it seems like there's enough interest to start a new pbm for Kingdoms, judging from all the posts here. One of you ought to put up a post about it here or in the MTW2 forum and see if you can get 4 or 5 folks.
I could always start a Teutonic one if enough people here are interested?
Proletariat
09-10-2007, 18:48
I'd apologize, but I'm sure I'm getting paid back ten fold next time your turn comes up. :bow:
I think I'd be up for a Teutonic pbm. Would like the Danes if you do start one.
ok then I think I will :)
Doug-Thompson
09-11-2007, 04:44
I believe the upload was successful, although I forgot to put it in a compacted .zip or .rar file. If there's a problem, I'll try again.
Don't worry you don't need to for hotseat files (they're small enough already), I guess it's my turn then
here is the latest save for Jerusalem: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-2-2.sav
and some screens of revenge :smg:
https://img129.imageshack.us/img129/5973/turkishprisonersxp0.th.jpg (https://img129.imageshack.us/my.php?image=turkishprisonersxp0.jpg)
Proletariat
09-11-2007, 17:40
Ouch!
:drama1:
_Tristan_
09-11-2007, 17:54
Ok will download tonight and play tonite or tomorrow nite
_Tristan_
09-12-2007, 08:58
Ok turn's over
Here (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/?C=M;O=D) is the save
On to the next player...
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-2-4.zip
Your turn Prole
Proletariat
09-13-2007, 02:44
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-2-5.ace
All set, Doug.
Doug-Thompson
09-13-2007, 14:38
The file is uploaded.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/, Crusades-3-1
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-3-2.sav
it's Tristan's go again
_Tristan_
09-13-2007, 20:42
OK will download tonite but won't be able to play before tomorrow evening (friday... I should post it around 22PM GMT+2)
ok that's fine, I'm very glad to see that this hotseat has moved along so quickly, I am currently participating in a MII hotseat, for a few months now, and this one has already gone further :)
Moving along he says. I mostlikely won't take my turn before sunday evening ~D
_Tristan_
09-14-2007, 07:22
Yeah, thx all for making this a good moment...
It goes at a fast pace and I find it very enjoyable... Keep it up...
_Tristan_
09-14-2007, 21:23
As promised, here (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/?C=M;O=D) the save
Stig you're on
_Tristan_
09-14-2007, 23:56
Sorry for the OT but are any of you on Xfire ?
My Xfire Name is wingedguard
Doug-Thompson
09-15-2007, 01:34
Pardon my gross ignorance, but what is Xfire?
[edited p.s.] OK. Found it. It's a online gamer's friends' network.
Obviously, I'm not on it. All this is new to me. Nice idea, though.
_Tristan_
09-15-2007, 08:46
Yeah it can be real practical if we ever want to play a rapid succession of turns by being all at the same time in front of the PC
No I'm afraid I don't have x-fire and the problem of being in different time zones would make all being on at once very complicated
_Tristan_
09-15-2007, 18:09
It is also very useful as you can send the saves files diectly to the next player thru Xfire
Sorry Prole, but you more or less lost a very big army
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-3-4.zip
Proletariat
09-17-2007, 03:20
All's fair, Stig.
Saves up
Doug-Thompson
09-17-2007, 03:40
Saves up
???
I can't find it.
Proletariat
09-17-2007, 04:31
Shoot, not sure if the issue was on my end or not, but anyhow, now it's actually there. Sorry for the delay.
Doug-Thompson
09-17-2007, 04:44
Got it.
Doug-Thompson
09-17-2007, 06:14
Crusades-4-1 is up.
I'll play my turn either tonight or tommorow night
here is the latest save, sorry for the delay - http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-4-2.sav
_Tristan_
09-19-2007, 21:39
OK Got the save...
Will play it tomorrow evening...
Btw, wouldn't it be great if we posted the battles during our turns as well as any death of player's characters just as if we played SP ?
yeah that would be good, if people can be bothered. i certainly will form now on.
_Tristan_
09-19-2007, 21:52
Ok I'll begin on my turn
Proletariat
09-19-2007, 23:59
OK Got the save...
Will play it tomorrow evening...
Btw, wouldn't it be great if we posted the battles during our turns as well as any death of player's characters just as if we played SP ?
I like the idea. I'll try and post a few screen shots if anything significant happens next turn. It's a shame hotseat mode doesn't give you all the bulletins on what's happened in the last turn like SP does.
Doug-Thompson
09-20-2007, 19:16
Btw, wouldn't it be great if we posted the battles during our turns as well as any death of player's characters just as if we played SP ?
While that sounds fair enough, I'm going to be the old grouch and holdout.
Allow me to explain.
Suppose we were playing a Teutonic campaign and I was the Lithuanians. Suppose the Teutonic Order really ripped my guts out on one turn, defeating a huge army and taking an important town.
I wouldn't want it to be widely known right away that I was crippled. Also, the Teutonic player might not it widely known.
Why would either me or my Teutonic slayer want to let everybody know that I'm at death's door and it's time to swarm me, getting what provinces you can before the Teutonic Order finishes me off? Alliances could change instantly.
To me, information is the most important commodity of all. I share information with my closest allies. Everybody else can get what they can on their own.
_Tristan_
09-21-2007, 06:51
To me, information is the most important commodity of all. I share information with my closest allies. Everybody else can get what they can on their own.
I understand your point perfectly nevertheless death of agents or merchant take-overs should be advertised...
I don't want to have to take note of position of every single agent of mine to know if one has gone missing during the other players turn
We should also be advised as in SP of any change of relations between factions (I've just found out I'm at war with the Turks thx to the Diplo Tab....:furious3: )
Could we agree on that at least ?
Don't worry Doug, I won't tell anybody of the bashing you took :oops:
Anyway, I'll edit today and post some screenies... Unless anyone is of one mind on this subject...
EDIT : forgot to post link....Crusades-4-3.rar (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-4-3.rar) is up.... Stig, you're good to go...
EDIT2 : Here is what happened during my turn...
As requested by Doug, i won't post any strategic info...
Sorry, Doug... or perhaps not...http://www.casimages.com/img/jpg/0709210931331266139.jpghttp://www.casimages.com/img/jpg/0709210935081266146.jpg (http://www.casimages.com)
They were a general and an assassin
Doug-Thompson
09-21-2007, 14:38
I understand your point perfectly nevertheless death of agents or merchant take-overs should be advertised...
... Could we agree on that at least ?
Sure, I'll go for that.
Don't worry Doug, I won't tell anybody of the bashing you took :oops:
~:rolleyes:
I'm sure everybody's looked at the military strength graph on the ranking charts, TdC. I let those do my bragging for me. If your victory is as impressive as you say, perhaps we have a fair fight again after what happened to you on Turn 2.
_Tristan_
09-21-2007, 15:18
Let me call a Crusade... And we'll fight as equals...:2thumbsup:
You Jihading :furious3: ...:laugh4:
Doug-Thompson
09-21-2007, 15:38
Hey, it's not my fault your religion doesn't inspire enough zeal. :smile:
Doug-Thompson
09-21-2007, 15:43
Upon reflection, this has been a pretty interesting campaign. We both have stories to tell, and a lot of it has been revealed anyway.
So start with what you did on turn 1. I'll describe what I did in response, and we can tell the whole story in context.
_Tristan_
09-21-2007, 15:50
I sure will as soon as I have some time on my hands... I want to make as correct a report as possible...:book:
I really have much fun thwarting your plans... surely as much as you have thwarting mine...:smash:
I wonder if our northern neighbors have so much fun...:laugh4:
Doug-Thompson
09-21-2007, 15:53
I sure will as soon as I have some time on my hands... I want to make as coorect a report as possible...
I really have much fun thwarting your plans... surely as much as you have thwarting mine...
I wonder if our northern neighbors have so much fun...
If they are, they're just about dead.
_Tristan_
09-21-2007, 16:10
If they are, they're just about dead.
:laugh4:
Apparently it was my turn (thanks for the PM, missed this thread ... well mostlikely not missed but forgot)
And I've taken it, up to you Prole.
Little important happened really.
Proletariat
09-25-2007, 12:50
Will get to this this evening, hopefully
Proletariat
09-29-2007, 00:09
Sorry for the long delay, save's up. Going to Italy tonight, will be back on the 8th.
Doug-Thompson
10-01-2007, 04:23
Crusades-5-1 is up.
_Tristan_
10-01-2007, 10:46
Will certainly play it tonight (along with teutonic hotseat...)
I'm also preparing to post the turn report that we spoke of earlier...
Lot of tga editing and not much time on my hands...
sorry for the delay, I've only just realised that it's my turn, It'll be done shortly.
Turn done and uploaded here: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-5-2.sav
_Tristan_
10-04-2007, 18:54
Ok i've posted the turn report... Made it in some kind of AAR...
I suggest that each player makes a post and edits it as the game progresses...
It should be easier
The thread is here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=92738)
I've made my first repot, I started at turn 5 because I deleted the screens from previous turns and don't have the time to go and replay the turns. Btw the '...' in bold is only there because I can't remember what year turn 5 is :P
_Tristan_
10-06-2007, 17:11
Jerusalem turn 5 played... Save is here (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-5-3.rar)
Not much happened... I'll update the report once everybody has played its turn... No free info... Sorry :2thumbsup:
gibsonsg91921
10-15-2007, 03:10
hey guys, in addition to this hotseat campaign, join my brand new, wots style Teutonic Order campaign. Get your avatar quickly before someone else does!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=93377 for more info
Proletariat
10-19-2007, 17:58
Hey everyone, back and will begin paying full attention again. Should have my turn up tonight sometime
Doug-Thompson
10-30-2007, 19:57
Is it ready?
I've sent her a PM and she hasn't read it yet, her profile also says she hasn't been online since she posted that. I would impose a time limit but I don't have anyone's passwords so I can't get a replacement or skip the turn. I'm asking you all now to PM me your passwords in case something like this happens again, don't worry I swear on my honour I will not enter it unless there is no alternative.
_Tristan_
11-02-2007, 17:29
So we are :furious3: ?
Hope not
Come on Prole...:whip:
*sigh* she has completely ignored my post in the Pub Crawl Massacre thread :(, we may have to start afresh if she continues to be like this.
Privateerkev
11-05-2007, 17:55
Hey guys!
Love the new screen name BTG. ^_^
I caved and bought Kingdoms despite the whole Securom thing. No one's computer exploded so I figured it would be safe to get.
The up side is the Crusade game has been the most fun that I have ever had with a TW series. If you ever start up a new Crusade PBM hotseat, I might consider joining.
there is still a chance you can join this one if I can only squeeze the password out of Proletariat, she has now read one of my PMs but not replied yet, maybe she'd listen to you :shrug:
btw well done on getting over the non-existent SecuROM issue :beam: (hang on a sec! Is this the sound a computer makes when SecuROM causes it to explo.....*BOOOOOOOOM*)-sorry got a bit carried away there.
Privateerkev
11-05-2007, 18:12
Seeing as I don't know her, I don't think I'll be sending a random PM. lol
But, I might consider taking her place if she gave up the password and no longer wanted to continue the PBM.
As for securom, I still am uneasy. But Crusades is just so fun! (Playing Jerusalem of course in my sp game. It's basically the Kingdom of Heaven movie with most of the same characters.)
So I'm not "over it", I am just ignoring it for now. ^_^
lol ok, and yes I agree, the Crusades campaign has been my favourite one so far, seen any Jans yet? :laugh4:
Privateerkev
11-05-2007, 18:39
No, unfortunatly no Jan von Hamburg in the Crusade campaign. But I have been having fun playing the character's I recognize.
Of the 5 starting Jerusalem characters, 4 are represented in the movie, Kingdom of Heaven (which is itself "loosely" based on historic events). Raymond of Tripoli was represented by Tiberius in the movie and played by Jeremy Irons. Bailan of Ibelin was the main character in the movie played by Orlando Bloom. Prince Guy in the game was Guy the "evil Templar guy" in the movie. And of course King Baldwin was in the movie as well played by Ed Norton. Only Gerard the Crusader seems to be without it's movie equivalant.
So, I get to move them around and pretend their the people from the movie. It helps to have faces and mannerisms to put with the avatars. I haven't gotten to far yet because I keep restarting in order to perfect my "opening moves" with Jerusalem. I wish I could get to those two Egyptian bridges by turn one but I can't. I can only get an army on the north bridge by turn 2 and an all cav force on the south bridge at the same time. Defending a bridge with only heavy cav is tons of fun but very very nerve wracking...
^_^
wow I never noticed those names before! I just started by marching straight down with a large army led by Baldwin to kill the 2 jihading stacks that appear there (even though that was a fluke seeing as I didn't know they were there) and then fought my way into their homeland. Then it was a case of using some men to hold the bridges which stopped their armies from protecting the northern cities (the castle really helped me later) and then I used Richard to pop down and finish off Cairo and the town next to it. After Cairo fell it was just mopping up really :beam:.
Privateerkev
11-05-2007, 18:52
Yeah, my only beef is a small one. I wish Richard came with English armies instead of generic Jerusalem ones. Same with the French King who comes to Antioch. They went through the trouble to give the English and French their own faction specific units for the Teutonic Campaign and the American Campaign but they cheap out for the Crusades campaign.
Some longbowman would have been nice... :D
_Tristan_
11-06-2007, 11:40
Welcome PKev
I hope you'll be able to play Proletariat's turn... If she ever surrender her password... Seeing as she is ignoring us at the moment...
Privateerkev
11-06-2007, 17:07
Thanks,
If she doesn't cough up the password, you guys might want to consider starting over. The save has been ready for her since October 15th. It's now November 6th. That makes it over 3 weeks. Something about that is really not cool. It's the death knell to a game like this when someone can hold the whole game up for weeks on end.
So yeah, if you can get the password, I'll take her spot. If you can't, I'll be more than happy to play in a new Crusade game.
I only advise that the person running the game demands passwords from everyone before starting up the initial save. And people should be advised to not pick a password that they use for everything else, which may explain her refusal to give hers up.
There should also be some reasonable time limit for how long you can keep the save. It shouldn't take more than a couple days to find the time to play one turn, especially if your auto resolving all PvP battles. 3 weeks is too long.
AHA! I have the password! Proletariat has apologized for holding up the game and I will pass the password onto PK through a PM, also while you are joining this hotseat we also have a vacancy in the Teutonic hotseat so if you are interested...
Privateerkev
11-06-2007, 17:51
Alright, I'll take the Turks. I have to do a couple things at work before I can go home. I'll try to have the save up in a few hours so as to get this game moving again.
Basically there is a change of leadership in the Turkish court. Anything the previous Turkish chancellor told you, is no longer valid. All previous deals are off. New ones can be made though. :D
Since I'm taking up one PBM, I might as well take up the other. I'll go post in the Teutonic thread. :yes:
what about the alliance with Egypt and the war with me? You can't change them :P
Privateerkev
11-06-2007, 18:01
I can change how the Turks interact with people. If I am taking over then I am taking over the faction completely. How other factions react to that is their decision. ^_^
Privateerkev
11-06-2007, 19:52
Alright, here is the save.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Crusades-5-5.sav
Prole left me in quite a situation... o_O
I'll try to do what I can with what I have.
Sabotage is fun though... :evil:
Stig and EF will notice some buildings missing. :yes:
Also, some of my Jihad armies did not have any MP when I got to them. weird.
_Tristan_
11-06-2007, 22:26
Nice to know it is finallay under way again :2thumbsup:
:duel: :charge:
Privateerkev
11-06-2007, 22:29
Yeah, I PM'd Doug to let him know that he can finally play again. ^_^
Hmm... I bet the Kingdom of Jerusalem has churches... :evil:
(churches are unbelievably easy to sabotage) :2thumbsup:
_Tristan_
11-07-2007, 09:02
We have churches.....and a fine network of spies and assassins...:devil:
Just ask Doug...
Right, I don't play with certain people anymore, I'm out
_Tristan_
11-07-2007, 14:11
Stig, what is the matter ?
Can't you put your diffrences with PK aside ?
It is a totally different game from KOTR
Doug-Thompson
11-07-2007, 17:12
Got the news. Will make my moves tonight.
Let Stig be like that if he wants (he doesn't have to play), Zim is interested in joining and he may take up the Byzantines, I'll PM him. Oh and about movement points that's because I beat all of your armies the last turn so they had to retreat and use up all their move :P. You can destroy churches for now but soon you won't have any settlements so I guess we'll be even.
Edit: and it's nice to see that this thing is rolling again :) thanks everyone
_Tristan_
11-07-2007, 18:37
Too bad about Stig ( or maybe not...)
Welcome Zim (or anyone else)
Thx also to keep the ball rolling...
Hey Tristan how come you know about what happened in KotR? :inquisitive:
If you have been reading the threads then you should join, it's really fun :2thumbsup: .
Privateerkev
11-07-2007, 20:15
I'm sorry guys that the KotR drama had to spill over into here. I had naively hoped that a game that is less political, and more international warfare, would create a situation where Stig and I could put stuff aside and play together. But, he doesn't want to and that is his decision.
I won't rehash the drama on here but if someone wants to know what this is about, just shoot me a PM.
And to agree with EF, KotR is awesome and we could always use more players. It doesn't have to take up a lot of your time but you may find yourself sucked into it because it is so much fun. :2thumbsup:
also, with regards to my sabo-trash talk, I am simply making due with what I have. I was not left in... the best strategic position. So, I'll have to sabo-spam for awhile. Plus it's fun. :beam:
_Tristan_
11-07-2007, 21:15
@ Bob and PK : I followed a bit of KOTR up until the cataclysm event then things in RL (like a bay being born) led me away from things but the way Stig dropped out made me wonder and a quick search on the most probable thread (KOTR OOC then Duchy of Franconia) gave me some answers...
Joining KOTR would be great but it would taking too much of my time and I've other things to consider : taking care of my baby girl, finishing my Aztec AAR, playing the PBMs I'm involved in (3 to that day), doing lots of other things...
At one point, I was on the brink of joining but the cataclysm reared its head and I did not want to spoil your game but acting the noob...
Maybe some time later...
Anyway, it really makes a great game...
Privateerkev
11-07-2007, 21:22
Real life is more important. Though I disagree with your assumption that you would have spoiled anything. ^_^
There are always openings if you want to join later. Even if there are no family members open, we can just create a general. Or you could be an elector with no avatar until a family member opens up. So, you have options. :yes:
But, he doesn't want to and that is his decision.
Don't blame me for starting it.
If you won't stop (posting in the Franconia thread after being politely asked) I won't stop.
PK; please don't dignify this immature comment with an answer, Stig I am now politely asking you to stop posting in this thread, seeing as you're no longer taking part there is no need for you to post here.
Ok, if Stig is unable to continue playing, it seems I will be taking over for the Byzantines (luckily for me, they're my favorite faction) :2thumbsup: . Any alliances and agreements will require renegotiation, not so much because of plans to change them, but so that I may become aware of them (and don't stupidly, say, attack my best and oldest ally or something).
P.S. Now I'm off to read the whole thread and catch up.
Privateerkev
11-07-2007, 23:40
Welcome Zim!
Basically, Jerusalem and Antioch are at war with Turkey and Egypt. Byzantines are at war with Turkey. If you have ever played the Crusade campaign, then you know the Venetians are coming in a little while. And eventually the Mongols will grace us with their presence. Were only 5 turns in so there is still plenty to do.
Turkey has just had a change in advisers to the Sultan so the Sultan is willing to make deals. :yes:
Doug-Thompson
11-08-2007, 06:30
Crusades-6-1 is up.
Stig I am now politely asking you to stop posting in this thread, seeing as you're no longer taking part there is no need for you to post here.
That's different, as this does not compare to not being a part of Franconia and posting there anyway.
But I will stop posting here, same for the other games, which I won't join
:daisy:
well you can at least PM me and Zim your password, stopping us from playing would just be a horrible thing to do.
_Tristan_
11-09-2007, 00:41
EF, it is your turn...
Privateerkev
11-09-2007, 00:45
Yeah but if he can't get the Byzy password, this game is dead. :/
I pmed him. Hopefully he'll respond in a day or two. If not, then I guess we have to start over. :sweatdrop: I hope not, though, since that could be disastrous for a game that's gone on a while like this one.
Privateerkev
11-09-2007, 06:57
Well, luckily we have 5 dedicated players so it would be annoying to start over, but not "game killing". One way or another, we'll play a crusade game.
_Tristan_
11-09-2007, 07:51
With what happened between Doug and I, it would be a shame to start over...
Both our careful planning would be lost...
irish king
11-09-2007, 18:42
what does PBM stand for..... i just joined?
Privateerkev
11-09-2007, 18:47
Hi irish king!
PBM means Play By Mail. Someone starts a Total War game. Then they upload the save and someone else plays. It's a way for us to play together.
Here is a good thread on it: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=30871
Yeah all the careful plans Bohemond and Baldwin have made would go to waste, as would all those Turks I killed. I am willing to stall this for a few days in order to get the password.
Privateerkev
11-09-2007, 19:43
Seeing as we're all in the Teutonic game, we can get our Kingdoms Hotseat fix while we figure out what's going on in this game.
Doug-Thompson
11-09-2007, 19:59
Ditto to all that. The wait won't kill me, either.
_Tristan_
11-09-2007, 21:06
Ditto to all that. The wait won't kill me, either.
Same here... All those efforts put in the game and the write-up, I would not like to see them go to waste...
I don't mind waiting, either. Hopefully w'll get that password in a few days.
_Tristan_
11-13-2007, 13:29
So did Stig cough up his PW ?
EF, please let us know...
And would you play your turn even if he didn't so that I can see what mischief Doug has been up to...
I'll let you know straight away if he does, and yes I might as well play my turn anyway.
Right:
Tosa asked me to send the PM, so I answered and now he keeps spamming my inbox telling me I didn't answer.
But anyway I told him that it's not really the best thing to give away your passwords ... you don't want others to know them. I know I can trust most people, or better said, more or less anyone, but it's more a thing of principle.
~:( I guess ll be starting over, then. I feel bad for Doug and Tristan, their duel was looking pretty interesting.
Can anyone of you ask Tosa to stop spamming my inbox, this really annoys me, and was one of the reasons why I decided not to give away my password.
Privateerkev
11-18-2007, 22:35
Alright, if we're at a standstill with the Byzantine password, lets consider starting over. Now do we want different factions to mix it up or do people want their same faction?
I know people put a lot of work into this hotseat but if we can't move forward, we might as well play a new crusade game.
Also, this situation illustrates why people should pick passwords they do not care about. :no:
Doug-Thompson
11-18-2007, 23:11
I'm game. I'd just as soon be Egypt again, also, but that's just my preference.
I'm up for a new game. Same faction or different.
I'm not giving up yet, Stig has gotta stop being so anti-social with other .org members, ignoring Tosa is quite a crime.
Privateerkev
11-18-2007, 23:59
Seeing as he used a password that is important to him, I am not sure if people can force him to give it up. For all we know, he uses it for his ATM or email or something.
This is why I keep stressing that people need to use passwords they don't care about for Kingdoms Hotseat PBM's.
Now, how long are we going to wait? You asked him 10 days ago on this thread to give the password up. He hasn't yet. I think we can assume that he won't.
I say lets cut our losses and move on. I'll take the Turks again but if anyone wants to swap factions, I'm up for it.
PK is right, I'm not giving people the ability to log in as Stig here, or at my email as soon as they find out what my login name is (which in a way is just my email).
Well no-one would have known that you used it for those things if you hadn't said, and if no-one knew nobody here would want to try. Alright then we'll start afresh tomorrow.
Privateerkev
11-19-2007, 00:07
If that is the case, I think we should stop asking Stig for his password. I don't think it is right to demand that someone give up something that could give people access to other areas of his life.
Having no rule that demanded that passwords be given to the GM led to people picking passwords that are important to other areas of their life. Now that we demand that people hand over their password to the GM, Moderator, or both, this should be less of a problem. People will no longer have an expectation of privacy regarding their Kingdom Hotseat password.
Nevermind, I just saw that EF said we're starting over.
Doug-Thompson
11-19-2007, 00:47
I don't suppose there's any way to change the password to something innocuous?
Privateerkev
11-19-2007, 00:51
can't change the password once it's in. (as far as I know)
Well no-one would have known that you used it for those things if you hadn't said, and if no-one knew nobody here would want to try. Alrite then we'll start afresh tomorrow.
I think that when you see a password that has 4 random digits and 4 random letters you will suspect something ... I would for sure
And I don't get why you aren't able to change the password, flaw in the game if you ask me
_Tristan_
11-19-2007, 10:41
:daisy: Stig, You really made my day....
Well, I'm OK for starting over... with some mature players...
I'll keep to Jerusalem if it is alright with everybody... I like to play the preaching, crusading :daisy: ...
Hello Stig,
Replying to a PM is not the same as answering questions.
Well I'm afraid I don't have time to be gamesmaster anymore but I can still play. PK, Tristan, Doug or Zim can take over if they want and use their own method of being gamesmaster.
Privateerkev
11-19-2007, 18:08
I'll take it if Tristan, Doug, or Zim don't want it. If I don't hear any major objections within 24 hours, I will start up the first savegame.
I'd like to keep this thread so I'd ask EF to help me maintain the first post. Rules will pretty much be the same except I'll need passwords before I start up. And I'll want to keep the game moving at a brisk pace. :whip:
But I came into this late and am "new". If one of the others want to run this game, they are more than welcome to. :bow:
I think we have a good gaming group here and I'd be more than happy to play under any of you. :yes:
Hello Stig,
Replying to a PM is not the same as answering questions.
You should forget languages you were able to speak a month ago
Who is it this time? Yuuki?
Hello Stig,
Then I shall repeat the questions here:
11-13-07, 22:47
Hello Stig,
I understand several people are playing a Kingdoms hotseat campaign. You also played in that campaign, but not anymore?
Factions are protected by a password, this means the campaign is forced to stop when your faction has to play?
Can we unlock your faction please, so all the other players can continue the game?
No reply.
11-14-2007, 20:15
Hello Stig,
I understand several people are playing a Kingdoms hotseat campaign. You also played in that campaign, but not anymore?
Factions are protected by a password, this means the campaign is forced to stop when your faction has to play?
Can we unlock your faction please, so all the other players can continue the game?
You can e-mail tosainu@totalwar.org .
Replied to, not answered really.
11-17-2007, 21:42
Hello Stig,
You took part in a hotseat campaign with other players and left? That campaign started two months ago and the others are still playing it. Without Byzantium they are forced to stop.
Are you going to walk away or do what's needed for the others to continue the game?
Reply, not answered at all.
11-17-2007, 22:01
Hello Stig,
You took part in a hotseat campaign with other players and left? That campaign started two months ago and the others are still playing it. Without Byzantium they are forced to stop.
Are you going to walk away or do what's needed for the others to continue the game?
Reply, not answered at all.
11-17-2007, 22:14
Hello Stig,
Are you going to answer the questions or dodge them?
Replied, no answer at all.
11-17-2007, 23:45
Hello Stig,
You took part in a hotseat campaign with other players and left? That campaign started two months ago and the others are still playing it. Without Byzantium they are forced to stop.
Are you going to walk away or do what's needed for the others to continue the game?
Neither question has been answered yet.
No reply.
Yesterday, 14:30
Hello Stig,
You took part in a hotseat campaign with other players and left? That campaign started two months ago and the others are still playing it. Without Byzantium they are forced to stop.
Are you going to walk away or do what's needed for the others to continue the game?
No reply.
Your answers please?
Privateerkev
11-19-2007, 18:47
If we're starting over, I want to move past this. This "Stig-ignoring-Tosa" thing is probably more for the Watchtower.
One of us is going to start a new game soon so this whole debate will become moot. Then the Site Admins and Mods can decide what to do about Stig and leave us out of it.
I do thank Tosa for trying to help us move the game along though. :bow:
But we seem to be hitting a wall and we need to just move past this. :wall:
Feel free to start the new game, PK, although I'd use a different thread for it.
I'll be happy to do it if you don't want to, but the way things are going in KOTR, I may end up with added resposibilities there I should tend to.
Privateerkev
11-19-2007, 19:04
Alright Zim,
I still want Tristan and Doug's input first since they were here before me. If they don't object, I'll start a new thread and a new savegame tomorrow. If I get their opinion today, I'll do it sooner.
Doug-Thompson
11-19-2007, 19:15
Alright Zim,
I still want Tristan and Doug's input first since they were here before me. If they don't object, I'll start a new thread and a new savegame tomorrow. If I get their opinion today, I'll do it sooner.
No objection here. Just some sadness. It was a heck of a game we had going, at least on the Egyptian-Jerusalem front. There's not an AI extant that could have matched it. The only way it could have been better is if the battles were fought on the battle-map.
_Tristan_
11-19-2007, 20:25
No objection here. Just some sadness. It was a heck of a game we had going, at least on the Egyptian-Jerusalem front. There's not an AI extant that could have matched it. The only way it could have been better is if the battles were fought on the battle-map.
Right on the mark...
We will just have to design new ways of hurting each other...
EDIT : PK, start whenever you feel like it but expect some (little) lag on my part... Being father of a month-old little girl takes up some time on top of everything else...
Privateerkev
11-19-2007, 20:29
Alright, I'll start things up in an hour or two. Tosa has been given me some tips on how to use the Administrator function of the game.
It will be same factions and rules. I'll make a new thread.
Unless people want to swap factions. If so, please let me know soon or I'll just assume people want the old ones.
Hello Stig,
Then I shall repeat the questions here:
11-13-07, 22:47
Hello Stig,
I understand several people are playing a Kingdoms hotseat campaign. You also played in that campaign, but not anymore?
Factions are protected by a password, this means the campaign is forced to stop when your faction has to play?
Can we unlock your faction please, so all the other players can continue the game?
No reply.
11-14-2007, 20:15
Hello Stig,
I understand several people are playing a Kingdoms hotseat campaign. You also played in that campaign, but not anymore?
Factions are protected by a password, this means the campaign is forced to stop when your faction has to play?
Can we unlock your faction please, so all the other players can continue the game?
You can e-mail tosainu@totalwar.org .
Replied to, not answered really.
11-17-2007, 21:42
Hello Stig,
You took part in a hotseat campaign with other players and left? That campaign started two months ago and the others are still playing it. Without Byzantium they are forced to stop.
Are you going to walk away or do what's needed for the others to continue the game?
Reply, not answered at all.
11-17-2007, 22:01
Hello Stig,
You took part in a hotseat campaign with other players and left? That campaign started two months ago and the others are still playing it. Without Byzantium they are forced to stop.
Are you going to walk away or do what's needed for the others to continue the game?
Reply, not answered at all.
11-17-2007, 22:14
Hello Stig,
Are you going to answer the questions or dodge them?
Replied, no answer at all.
11-17-2007, 23:45
Hello Stig,
You took part in a hotseat campaign with other players and left? That campaign started two months ago and the others are still playing it. Without Byzantium they are forced to stop.
Are you going to walk away or do what's needed for the others to continue the game?
Neither question has been answered yet.
No reply.
Yesterday, 14:30
Hello Stig,
You took part in a hotseat campaign with other players and left? That campaign started two months ago and the others are still playing it. Without Byzantium they are forced to stop.
Are you going to walk away or do what's needed for the others to continue the game?
No reply.
Your answers please?
Hello Stig,
You took part in a hotseat campaign with other players and left? That campaign started two months ago and the others are still playing it. Without Byzantium they are forced to stop.
Are you going to walk away or do what's needed for the others to continue the game?
Neither question has been answered yet.
As I said, my first PM end of story
en nu weer Nederlands
Hello Stig,
You took part in a hotseat campaign with other players and left? That campaign started two months ago and the others are still playing it. Without Byzantium they are forced to stop.
Are you going to walk away or do what's needed for the others to continue the game?
Neither question has been answered yet.
Omdat jij geen Nederlands meer kan:
already answered them
Hello Stig,
Are you going to answer the questions or dodge them?
Als jij vervelend doet doe ik ook vervelend
Hello Stig,
You took part in a hotseat campaign with other players and left? That campaign started two months ago and the others are still playing it. Without Byzantium they are forced to stop.
Are you going to walk away or do what's needed for the others to continue the game?
Vorige maand sprak je nog gewoon Nederlands, dus dat kun je nu ook wel gewoon doen.
Of gewoon mijn vorige PM lezen, dat werkt ook wel. Je hoeft je in ieder geval niet te herhalen, ik ben niet blind.
En als je echt gewoon weer iemand anders bent dan vraag je toch gewoon of Andres het voor je vertaald.
Hello Stig,
You took part in a hotseat campaign with other players and left? That campaign started two months ago and the others are still playing it. Without Byzantium they are forced to stop.
Are you going to walk away or do what's needed for the others to continue the game?
Volgens mij kan er gewoon Nederlands gepraat worden, tenzij er weer iemand anders als Tosa inlogt. Bovendien geef ik niet graag wachtwoorden weg. Anderen hoeven niet mijn wachtwoorden te weten, ja ik gebruik er meer dan een, en deze is niet hetzelfde als die voor m'n mail of andere zaken, maar dan nog, anderen hoeven niet onder mijn naam in te kunnen loggen bij bepaalde dingen.
Hello Stig,
I understand several people are playing a Kingdoms hotseat campaign. You also played in that campaign, but not anymore?
Factions are protected by a password, this means the campaign is forced to stop when your faction has to play?
Can we unlock your faction please, so all the other players can continue the game?
You can e-mail tosainu@totalwar.org .
Answered in PM in, in a language you spoke a month ago
Can a mod please lock this thread, I don't need it any more and all it's being used for is a way of Stig to argue with Tosa, as PK said, tht would be better placed in the front room or through PMs.
Privateerkev
11-19-2007, 23:37
:dancinglock:
^_^
Doug-Thompson
11-20-2007, 00:05
:dancinglock: :dancinglock: :dancinglock: :dancinglock:
Hello Stig,
You can PM the password to me.
Oh, how sad, you need to move it here to prove your right
Meh Elmo, Foxy and t1 were right, end of story
I thought I saw a "change password" option in the login screen for a faction, maybe I'm mistaken but can't you just change the pw, save again and then give the new pw to the new player? :inquisitive:
Or maybe I've imagined this. :sweatdrop:
FactionHeir
11-20-2007, 15:59
Not to my knowledge.
From my limited knowledge of Dutch, Stig is saying that he's using that password for several accounts and therefore doesn't want to give it out.
I think that while this could be used as an argument, any site lets you change your password and it is something one should do on a regular bassis anyway. Thus I don't see much reason behind not allowing the others to continue.
The alternative which Tosa seems to have offered was to safeguard his password (i.e. only Tosa would know it) and Tosa would probably use it to skip his turn whenever it comes to it?
Privateerkev
11-20-2007, 17:53
The game has been restarted with an admin password that will allow me to ensure things like this will never happen again.
I thank Tosa for his immense patience in helping me set up an admin accessible Hotseat game. If anyone else wants to know how to set up a game of this type, I have posted instructions in the Throne Room where they are pinned.
In my opinion, this is now a dead issue. The five players in the Crusade game have decided to move on and start a new game. We would like to move past this unfortunate episode.
:bow:
Anderen hoeven niet mijn wachtwoorden te weten, ja ik gebruik er meer dan een, en deze is niet hetzelfde als die voor m'n mail of andere zaken, maar dan nog, anderen hoeven niet onder mijn naam in te kunnen loggen bij bepaalde dingen.
Others do not need to know my passwords, yes I use more than one, and this one is not identical to the ones for my mail or other things, but still, others do not need to have the ability to log in at certain things with my name.
Hello Stig,
You can PM the password to me.
FactionHeir
11-20-2007, 19:04
The game has been restarted with an admin password that will allow me to ensure things like this will never happen again.
I thank Tosa for his immense patience in helping me set up an admin accessible Hotseat game. If anyone else wants to know how to set up a game of this type, I have posted instructions in the Throne Room where they are pinned.
I think the thread title should be renamed to hotseat games in general. While hotseat was an unintended unofficial feature in M2TW, the admin password function is not restrcited solely to Kingdoms.
So: It would be better to remove the "Kingdoms" out of the thread title and the description in the thread.
[edit]
If Stig reads Tosa's reply, I think Tosa means, if you use the same password for your user account, change that first, and then PM him so the password can be used to unlock the game.
Privateerkev
11-20-2007, 19:11
Well, my post was to deal explicitly with Kingdom's Hotseat games. If you have information on how to apply it to a M2TW hotseat, your more than welcome to post it on my thread. Then I'll change the thread name. :D
As for the Stig password, I personally would like to see the whole matter dropped. Though three players in the current crusade game did put a lot of time into the old game. So if they want Tosa to keep pursuing Stig, that's up to them. But I would really like to see this issue done and over with.
Stig is an incredibly stubborn person and pushing him to release his password will just make him dig in more. Nothing good can come of this. :no:
FactionHeir
11-20-2007, 19:17
Well, my post was to deal explicitly with Kingdom's Hotseat games. If you have information on how to apply it to a M2TW hotseat, your more than welcome to post it on my thread. Then I'll change the thread name. :D
Works exactly the same way for vanilla I believe. And you cannot change thread titles after a few minutes of posting without moderator help. Only thread subtitles.
Privateerkev
11-20-2007, 19:20
Shot you a PM asking about M2TW Hotseats. Don't want to threadjack all of the watchtower drama going on in here. ^_^
The alternative which Tosa seems to have offered was to safeguard his password (i.e. only Tosa would know it) and Tosa would probably use it to skip his turn whenever it comes to it?
Comes down to the fact that I don't trust Tosa, for obvious reasons
pevergreen
11-20-2007, 23:20
I'm sorry to say situation like this just lower Tosa's reputation.
You arent making any friends doing this Tosa, only losing them. Same as with Elmo.
Dont make another good person leave the org.
:drama3:
Meh, Stig won't leave the Org.
He loves me and he cannot live without me :sweetheart:
Chill bro ~:pat: Whatever happened to the good ol' TYOLT version of Stig?
Allee vooruit, braaf zijn en terug in het gareel lopen :whip:
T wordt tijd dat we je nog eens lynchen in de Gameroom. T is precies ne keer nodig ~;p
EDIT : Damn. Husar used a drama smiley right before me. Bah!
Chill bro Whatever happened to the good ol' TYOLT version of Stig?
Die heeft geen zin om met dit soort baby's om te gaan
FactionHeir
11-21-2007, 00:28
As a courtesy to our non Dutch speakers, it would be prudent if Dutch conversations could be kept in their designated Frontroom thread.
As a courtesy to our non Dutch speakers, it would be prudent if Dutch conversations could be kept in their designated Frontroom thread.
You are right. Sorry about that :bow:
Anyway, Stig, you might have prevented all this drama by saying "I don't want/I cannot give my password" in a friendlier way. I understand you have a dispute with a particular/some particular Org member(s). Fine, it happens to the best of us and sometimes conflicts escalate to a degree where they can't find a solution. It's human.
But I'm sure you understand that you not being able to give your password, ruins an enjoyable game and it harms all other players.
You could have put it more friendly and nicer, you know. And you could have said it spontaneously in the public thread instead of waiting for Tosa to pm you.
Something in the lines of
Hi guys, I can no longer participate in this game, for reasons well known by some of you. I do know you guys need my password to continue this enjoyable game, but the thing is, I use this password for different other applications and I don't want to risk other people using it to cause harm to me. Unfortunately and as you probably already knew, I cannot change the game password. I know this kinda means "game over" for all of you and I am truly sorry for the inconvenience caused. Thanks for your understanding.
Add some :embarassed: , :oops: and :sorry: and people would have accepted it without making a big fuss about it.
I'm sorry to say situation like this just lower Tosa's reputation.
Au contraire. It shows Tosa's concern about his fellow Org members. The way I see it, Tosa noticed a number of Org members having trouble to continue an enjoyable game and, since they couldn't find a solution amongst themselves, he stepped forward and tried to help.
He could have easily said: "Hey guys, this has nothing to do with my function as an Administrator. It's your problem, ,not mine.", but instead he tried to help them out. And isn't that what the Org is about? Trying to help and to solve problems of other people?
Just my :2cents:
Yes, Andres is right - I asked TosaInu to contact Stig to try to pass on his password as I thought the Admin had the best chance of being seen as trustworthy by an Orgah.
I am sorry it did not work out, but I am grateful to TosaInu for spending time trying to find a solution.
Attempts to save the existing game seem to have failed, but thanks to TosaInu and CA Australia, we have found out how to avoid the problem in future using admin rights - as Privateerkev's Throne Room sticky now explains.
pevergreen
11-21-2007, 11:09
There is always two sides.
While you can take that view, you can also look at it like this: Tosa is repeating the same thing in thread over and over, he moved it to the watchtower (i dont really care about that). He did the same thing with Elmo.
Edit: thats great news econ! This can be avoided in the future :grin2:
And Pever is right, which is the end of the story.
You guys made the drama of this, not me ... so politely stop with it
Geez, I can't see with Tarrak still sees in this forum.
Hello Stig,
11-19-2007, 00:00
I'm not giving people the ability to log in as Stig here, or at my email as soon as they find out what my login name is (which in a way is just my email).
11-15-2007, 00:35
Others do not need to know my passwords, yes I use more than one, and this one is not identical to the ones for my mail or other things, but still, others do not need to have the ability to log in at certain things with my name.
You can PM the password to me.
ARE YOU BLIND OR WHAT?
I SAID I'M NOT GIVING YOU ANYTHING, AS I SIMPLY DON'T TRUST SOMEONE AS YOU. ENOUGH REASONS HAVE COME ALONG FOR THAT. JUST STOP WITH IT OK.
I'm leaving this shithole, Goats tend to be right
It's a forum, not political and certainly not anything worth getting stressed about. There is no point in taking anything personally when using this medium. And this type of scenario is generally only a problem if you make it one. At the end of the day the admin on any forum can close it down, delete all the posts and kick us all into oblvion if they so wish. If they did that to me today for whatever reason then so be it.
From my perspective, that of the casual observer. It seems clear that the Stig is not going to be giving out the password (as is his right?), and so perhaps the issue should now be laid to rest?
:bow:
...the :drama2: continues...
Will Stig ever come back?
Wil Tosa ever be dethroned?
Who's the evil one anyway and why should we all watch this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dYpnd_9TFs) video?
...the :drama2: continues...
Will Stig ever come back?
Wil Tosa ever be dethroned?
Who's the evil one anyway and why should we all watch this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dYpnd_9TFs) video?
Yes, please dont sour it with sarcasm that might get the thread closed, this has been the most entertaining and insightful thread at the org in some time.
:toilet:
I wonder why dont Stig changes his password and then he passes it.
Because I can't ... duh
I like it how people make an issue of this, while Tosa isn't even able to close this thread. I bet his next reply will be something along the lines off:
"Oh, give it to me."
Ah well, bet it isn't Tosa, but Yuuki or something.
Like his victory thread in which he announced Foxy had been banned, surely one of his biggest victories.
I'm leaving this shithole, Goats tend to be right
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pevergreen
11-22-2007, 01:17
This is taking it too far. It was resolved, but Tosa keeps coming back.
That is childish Tosa, its over, let it be.
This is a game of who can be more childish.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
11-22-2007, 04:40
This is a game of who can be more childish.
Reminds me of something that took place on MP here years ago.
Being Respectful to both parties, can this just be settled in PM? If it can't be settled in Thread peacefully, then can it be settled though PM? No sense of making a fool out of yourself but going back and forth here in public where everyone will see you.
Just my 8 cents, I'm going to mind my own business now :yes:
Reminds me of something that took place on MP here years ago.
Being Respectful to both parties, can this just be settled in PM? If it can't be settled in Thread peacefully, then can it be settled though PM? No sense of making a fool out of yourself but going back and forth here in public where everyone will see you.
Just my 8 cents, I'm going to mind my own business now :yes:
Wonderful, so you come give your 8 cents and then declare your going to mind your own business? Of course your right (the whole PM thing) but everyone likes to see the skid marks on the dirty laundry. :wiseguy:
I'd give my left nut to see Tosa post "please PM me your password Stig"
~:thumb:
Well I believe the watchtower is for these sorts of issues is it not? This is where a member can bring his dispute before other orgahs in an attempt to reach some settlement/conclusion?
pevergreen
11-22-2007, 10:16
But its not. Its Tosa trying to make Stig look bad.
But its not. Its Tosa trying to make Stig look bad.
Don't you think that on occasions it can be better to remain objective and not take sides? Especially on a forum where no one really knows anyone else anyway and thus cannot really make any sound judgment on such an issue.
I'm as bewildered by this as the next man, but perhaps it's simply a "communications problem". If TosaInu is intentionally trying to make the Stig "look bad" as you put it, do you think he's doing a good job of it so far? I would say not. If he wanted to put him in the frame or ridicule him publically I'm sure that, as the aministrator here, he could find better ways of doing so than bandying words in a thread such as this.
As to this whole theory about the TosaInu account being a shared account used by "the real rulers of the .org" then I say that if people want to invent conspiracy theories then that's up to them, but from my perspective it's a pretty far fetched story and even if it were true I wouldn't actually care anyway.
But its not. Its Tosa trying to make Stig look bad.
He's doing that on his own my friend.
As to this whole theory about the TosaInu account being a shared account used by "the real rulers of the .org" then I say that if people want to invent conspiracy theories then that's up to them, but from my perspective it's a pretty far fetched story and even if it were true I wouldn't actually care anyway.
Last thing you'll hear from me:
How do you explain the fact he doesn't speak Dutch anymore?
:daisy:
It was a private matter.
The third public offer to fix is 24 hours old.
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