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tapanojum
11-24-2007, 08:23
Hey guys, do you know any good online sources for research on Macedonian tactics and formation after Philip II created it?

I've tried googling with no success as most the links came out as too generalized or not credential (Wikipedia)

Any ideas please? Thanks a lot!

Beefy187
11-24-2007, 09:09
After 2 weeks of struggle i finally found me self a decent resource about Phillip II

http://www.livius.org/phi-php/philip/philip_ii.htm

I hope that helps. It got name of couple historians from that era. And links to other stuff like military tactics I think.

tapanojum
11-24-2007, 09:10
Thanks for replying. Sadly that link you gave me is the ONLY decent source I've managed to find earlier as well hehe.

Maybe I need to start accessing databases...

Wolfman
11-24-2007, 09:24
Didn't Somebody post a Faction Military Tactics guide in here somewhere?

tapanojum
11-24-2007, 10:30
Didn't Somebody post a Faction Military Tactics guide in here somewhere?

The information needs to have credible sources for my research paper. I havent seen this Military Tactics Guide so I have know idea if any credible sources are linked to it.

Thanks for replying btw

cmacq
11-24-2007, 10:41
This may prove some help as its a very important aspect that is often over looked.

http://books.google.com/books?id=dcTexDa4I0kC&pg=PA185&lpg=PA185&dq=philip+ii+gold+mine&source=web&ots=cqTJt6ab0a&sig=F2Pi6ok-Ii6-SzVGowBBUXK9STk#PPA185,M1

Without this income he could not have paid for his many well-trained mercs or the huge breeding herd of Scyth horses that his son would later use to great affect.

kambiz
11-24-2007, 12:35
Thank you so much for the link cmacq :thumbsup:

tapanojum
11-25-2007, 08:06
Any other ideas?

cmacq
11-25-2007, 08:15
Right, please try these


http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=nTmXOFX-wioC&oi=fnd&pg=PA1&dq=Macedonian+tactics+and+formation+after+Philip+II+&ots=YWodhnr8eZ&sig=lgiErF1kQvb5iEyYpTO0nXpzv8o

or

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0026-3931%28198304%2947%3A2%3C67%3APIAATG%3E2.0.CO%3B2-H&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage

and

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0009-837X%28197804%2973%3A2%3C117%3ATATOAT%3E2.0.CO%3B2-0&size=LARGE&origin=JSTOR-enlargePage


hope these may help

tapanojum
11-25-2007, 08:53
Those are great help, thanks! My new question is, are there any good places to search for this stuff other than databases? I don't want to ask everyone to just do the research for me lol

cmacq
11-25-2007, 11:25
Sorry, but not really sure what you mean? Do you mean you want raw data? Do you mean a university library? Again, sorry.

Geoffrey S
11-25-2007, 11:39
If you're looking for that kind of stuff, I'm quite certain you'll find quickly that the internet doesn't cut it.

tapanojum
11-25-2007, 12:18
Sorry guys, I've found the answer to my questions. I realized I have access to several databases through the college I'm attending.

Geoffrey, the internet doesn't cut is as a sole provider but combined with resources from books and I'd say I have more than enough for my paper.

Thanks again!

Geoffrey S
11-25-2007, 12:53
Geoffrey, the internet doesn't cut is as a sole provider but combined with resources from books and I'd say I have more than enough for my paper.!
Well, I tend to see it this way: if an internet site doesn't provide sources, then it's worthless for my use (particularly for papers), and if it does provide sources, I'm better off looking them up and citing them instead. I've never found anything on the internet such as what you were looking for that isn't covered in even the most basic history books.

Laevex
11-25-2007, 13:13
I have access to JSTOR through my university. I can search for "Mecedonian Military Tactics" or something if you like. Maybe "Phillip II"

Geoffrey S
11-25-2007, 13:44
Yes, JSTOR does have a number of potentially useful articles, though a bit dated. A quick check provided The Macedonian Sarissa, Spear, and Related Armor, and Use of the Sarissa by Philip and Alexander of Macedon, both by Minor M. Markle.

TWFanatic
11-25-2007, 15:06
Well, I tend to see it this way: if an internet site doesn't provide sources, then it's worthless for my use (particularly for papers), and if it does provide sources, I'm better off looking them up and citing them instead. I've never found anything on the internet such as what you were looking for that isn't covered in even the most basic history books.
It depends. In college, I would've looked like a fool for using most Internet resources, whereas in high school, people were awed when I cited Polybius.

Maksimus
11-25-2007, 15:08
Just some guides

http://www.greece-museums.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_phalanx

http://faq.macedonia.org/history/

and one you realy need

http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/
http://www.ancientmacedonia.com/

be well my friend!~:pimp:

Tellos Athenaios
11-25-2007, 15:27
Should you wish to cite ancient historian who happened to have written in Greek... First you'd look for a decent translation (because it'll search more comfortable if you can immmediately see what it means ~;)) next you could try and see if you got acces to the Thesaurus Linguae Graecae. (TLG for short.) From there you can try to read the source in its original language to make sure your translation is correct. (For instance the whole stirrup controversy (hint: 1898, 1962) seems to have originated mainly from how certain 'Frankish' words were interpreted (wrongly) and the conclusions drawn from them.)

If that doesn't work: you can try this too... http://www.fh-augsburg.de/~harsch/augustana.html

TWFanatic
11-25-2007, 15:35
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbook.html

This site has many English translations of Classical texts.