View Full Version : A place for the people of Islam..Almohad, Turks, Egypt
Sanpedrito
09-12-2002, 01:14
Just wanted to open up the floor for a heart felt discussion concerning the great Islamic factions. I have personally been playing the Almohad's on expert and loving it. I thoroughly enjoyed running over the Spanish and then the French with my low cost Almohad urban militia, while I converted the infidel filled provinces to Islam and Allah.
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Pain is temporary, but honor is forever !!!
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solypsist
09-12-2002, 01:59
after working through as the Spanish, I'll soon be trying a GA game with the Alomohads...
yea im playin as the almohads now, and they are extremely good, have about 5 provinces with gold deposits. have nice cheap javelin throwing units too.
Sanpedrito
09-12-2002, 04:29
One of the most magnificent moments of game play happened when I was able to bring a bloody end to a Christian rebellion in the province of Britanny. Those foolish infidels, trying to run the courageous army of god out of their land. 1200 peasants all killed or executed in battle....Allah is great !!
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the elmos are a real thorn in my foot >:
I've fallen in love with the Turks (and I think they've fallen for me *blush*). They have such a horrible collection of two-bit soldiers at the start of the early period, but if you finally, after many long years, build a Janissary army -- well, the wailing of the enemy women, the burning of their cities, the heaps of dead upon the Balkan soil-- *sigh*.
And then it's always helpful if the remnants of the Golden Horde enlist in the Turkish Army. "Private First Class Ugba reporting for duty, Sir!" See this http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/Forum7/HTML/001563.html thread for details.
Go Turks!
Can't wait to get Janissaries! Taking Constantinople should get me Heavy Janissary Infantry by the middle of the High period ... woohoo!
Now I just have to pay them!
Sanpedrito
09-12-2002, 20:38
The Turks truly are amazing...they took Christian children and turned them into an immense fighting force, and then turned them against there own people ( The Janissaries ) Question? --- Does anyone know any more historical information regarding the Janissaries ?
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Dwimmerlaik
09-12-2002, 21:36
There is a good bit of info on Janissaries in this book, though it's main focus is on Suleiman and his court..it also gives a good intro into general Turkish/ Ottoman systems of government
Suleiman the Magnificent: The Man, His Life, His Epoch by Andre Clot
In the book you will see why Turkish revolts are so Janissary heavy- they did that all the time back in the day! To the point of dictating when and for how long or even where a military campaign could be undertaken...so much for being a slave army!
Sanpedrito
09-12-2002, 23:08
Great information.... I found this little link you may want to check out. http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0825967.html
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The Turks truly are amazing...they took Christian children and turned them into an immense fighting force, and then turned them against there own people ( The Janissaries) Question? --- Does anyone know any more historical information regarding the Janissaries ?
The Turks had a so called “A 1/10 blood tax”, they collected yearly 1/10 (10%) from the Christian children in the Balkans: Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece and Romania, The fittest and prettiest boys and girls of age 6 to 10. The girls ware sold to slavery, the luckiest from them went into harems, when the others to the army brothels. Some of the boys ware castrated and became eunuch servants, the other became Janissaries. The Janissaries studied 5-6 years in medresses, where they became a pitiless mohajedeens (a la 9/11). There are documented cases, when a Janissary recognized and killed his own Christian mother and/or father. They didn’t take prisoners, sorry they did to have the fun impaling them. Dracula was a nice school boy. So if a Christian army/rebels faced Janissaries they fought to the last man. In MTW they must be produced with double of the highest dread possible by default.
I am about to do a jihad with the Almoheds against the Turks. Will I gain any top notch troops when I launch the jihad? I am not sure the Almoheds have any really top troops like Chiv knights and such.
Sanpedrito
09-13-2002, 22:14
They get the Ghulam Bodyguards and several Ghazi Infantry and Naptha Throwers and Murabitin Infantry . You are going to want to put several of you own troops into the Jihad to really make it powerful. ( and remember you don't have to pay for the troops in the Jihad )
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Pain is temporary, but honor is forever !!!
I formed the Jihad last night and wasn't too impressed with the number of troops I received.
However the zeal in most of my provinces now (1325) is very low. I have started sending Emans throughout my provinces to raise zeal. Hopefully the next jihad will have more troops.
It must be remembered that slaves under the Turks were hardly slaves in the Western sense. Slave and eunuchs could rise high in the civil service and become immensely powerful and rich, while the Janissaries' influence is obvious.
The original motivation was to create a corps of civil servants and soldiers who would be personally loyal to the Sultan alone, rather than the warrior clans and tribes that formed the backbone of the Turkish military before. Just as the Kings of France and England looked to the emerging urban bourgeoisie and wealthier peasantry to provide a counterweight bureaucracy to the great nobles.
http://i-cias.com/e.o/devsirme.htm
All good reasons as to why I so enjoyed playing the Byzantines and slaughtering the Turks and the Almohads.
Revenge is a dish best served with a sprig of parsley.
Emperor Theodoripiklos IV
09-14-2002, 10:54
I hear you Paladin...nothing gave me more pleasure then to Crush the turks.
Their sultan is my personal slave at the Imperial palace at our Grand City of Constantinople.
Next i wil have the head of the Pope served on a silver plate placed at the city gates http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Sanpedrito
09-17-2002, 01:00
Here is some Janissary Information for all those people who love the Turks.
Janissary Infantry
Cost - 350
Upkeep - 7
Size - 60
Period - High, Late
Religion - Muslim
Faction - Turkish
Requirements - Fort, Keep, Castle, Citadel, Fortress, Town Watch, Spearmaker,
Swordsmith, Swordsmiths WS, Swordsmiths Guild, Mosque, Grand Mosque, Military
Academy, Bowyer, Bowyers WS, Bowyers Guild, Master Bowyer
Very Good Attack (4)
Defence (2)
Armoured (3)
Good Morale (4)
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Janissary Heavy Infantry
Cost - 925
Upkeep - 9
Size - 60
Period - High, Late
Religion - Muslim
Faction - Turkish
Requirements - Fort, Keep, Castle, Citadel, Fortress, Mosque, Grand Mosque,
Military Academy, Town Watch, Spearmaker, Spearmakers WS, Spearmakers Guild,
Master Spearmaker
Fast
Strong Charge (4)
Excellent Attack (5)
Good Defence (3)
Armoured (3)
Excellent Morale (8)
Bonus vs Armoured Troops
Bonus Attacking Cavalry
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Janissary Archers
Cost - 275
Upkeep - 7
Size - 60
Period - High, Late
Religion - Muslim
Faction - Turkish
Requirements - Fort, Keep, Castle, Citadel, Fortress, Town Watch, Bowyer,
Bowyers WS, Bowyers Guild, Master Bowyer, Mosque, Grand Mosque, Military
Academy
Attack (1)
Weak Defence (0)
Armour (2)
Good Morale (4)
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Pain is temporary, but honor is forever !!!
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