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In the Getai family line line at the start, the faction leader is from the tribe of Ordes, and his two "sons" are from the Ordes and Kostobok tribes. While the Kostobok guy is obviously not the son of the faction leader, I wonder, is the Ordes guy that? If he is, then why is the Kostobok guy designated as faction heir? Or what do the Getic family line really represent?
Also, historically, what did it mean to be "Basileus of the Getai"? Was the title exclusive to the Ordes, or any other tribe? Was the title hereditary, from father to son like a traditional monarchy? Or was it a position one became elected to, like in the Germanic society? Or was it formed in another way?
burn_again
11-29-2007, 20:07
For the barbarian factions I think it is similar to the Romans - the starting family tree represents more the most influential leaders, not a real "royal family". I usually consider them only family if they do have the same ethnicity and (in case of the Getai) the same last name.
Mouzafphaerre
11-29-2007, 21:37
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I'm not sure if faction heir can be determined at the beginning. During the game, the engine autostupidically sets it on the bloke with the highest influence (IIRC). You can manually change it (in RTW, not in MiNO :wall:).
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MarcusAureliusAntoninus
11-29-2007, 22:27
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You can manually change it (in RTW, not in MiNO :wall:).
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That ruined "MiNO" for me. :no:
Pharnakes
11-29-2007, 22:42
In fairness, in medival times, it was often "blood" and not competence that defined who gained the throne.
Has that been lifted for kingdoms, or willl we be stuck with it for EB2?
In fairness, in medival times, it was often "blood" and not competence that defined who gained the throne.
In Germany, and several other countries, the king was elected. The only reason why we have something that looked like a bloodline for some parts of the MA was the result of the Emporer ensuring his son to become the next one with crown by enforcing his (the son's) election while he (the former Emporer) was still alive. The result was usually a war on the Emporer's death.
Pharnakes
11-30-2007, 00:52
I know, I'm not saying its good this way, I was just pointing out they do have a certain justifcation, maybe.
It is very anoying, I admit. Not that I ever actualy play MINO, anway.
In fairness, in medival times, it was often "blood" and not competence that defined who gained the throne.
Has that been lifted for kingdoms, or willl we be stuck with it for EB2?
Yes, but the eldest son of the king is not always made heir by M:TW2, so it really did ruin it.
medieval in name only
Nickname for Medieval 2: Total War
*lol*
Ok, thank you (I have ordered it today......)
MarcusAureliusAntoninus
11-30-2007, 02:21
Yes, but the eldest son of the king is not always made heir by M:TW2, so it really did ruin it.
Yeah, you can't adopt anyone in MiNO because if you do he'll almost certainly be your next heir, breaking your family line.
The system in MiNO would almost work if it allowed under age family members to become heir and faction leader, however the king will often die before his grandson is 16, breaking the family line.
In the Getai family line line at the start, the faction leader is from the tribe of Ordes, and his two "sons" are from the Ordes and Kostobok tribes. While the Kostobok guy is obviously not the son of the faction leader, I wonder, is the Ordes guy that? If he is, then why is the Kostobok guy designated as faction heir? Or what do the Getic family line really represent?
Look at it more carefully. At least in 0.8 the starter faction leader only has two daughters and the two FM married them, they are son-in-laws not sons.
Mouzafphaerre
11-30-2007, 02:45
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Because it's in name only? :inquisitive:
Edit: In response to konny... Joke ruined. ~:mecry:
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Mouzafphaerre
11-30-2007, 02:54
Yeah, you can't adopt anyone in MiNO because if you do he'll almost certainly be your next heir, breaking your family line.
The system in MiNO would almost work if it allowed under age family members to become heir and faction leader, however the king will often die before his grandson is 16, breaking the family line.
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Can't that be fixed anyway, like the view settlement thinglet?
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MarcusAureliusAntoninus
11-30-2007, 03:00
I recalling hearing that someone (alpaca?) was writting a script to allow for heir reassignment in MiNO, but I don't know if it was actually finished...
Mouzafphaerre
11-30-2007, 03:55
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Go go alpaca! :cheerleader:
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Pharnakes
11-30-2007, 10:31
Medieval in name only, M2TW.
Well, the Getai situation is difficult to reconstruct. The Ordes were a leading tribe among the Getai, and so its generally an Ordes that will be king of the Getai faction, though there were Karp and Kostobok and other tribal kings at different times. Zalmodegikos seems to have been the king who took over for the Getai after the death of Dromikaites, probably at the hands of the Celts. He could have been a son of Dromikaites, but we have no reason to make that argument, so we figure on him being a leading noble, and construct his connections to later-appearing Getic rulers via marriage, rather than sonship.
an_do_89
11-30-2007, 17:10
In Geto-Dacian organization , as King was chosen one
who was the most apreciated by the population and mainly the tarabostes (the best in management and warfare).:idea2:
In Geto-Dacian organization , as King was chosen one
who was the most apreciated by the population and mainly the tarabostes (the best in management and warfare).:idea2:
Was they elected like that? I've read that the Getai were more authoritarian than the Germanics and the Celts, due to their Hellenic influence.
MoROmeTe
12-08-2007, 13:52
I do not know about any elections for the kings of the Getai. At least not elections in the modern meaning. Seeing as some Getai kings were also high priests it may be that the priests had a word in the election. Beyond this I really don't know much else...
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