Sins of our fathers

[Long lost Caesar]

Playing many Romani campaigns and taking different directions each time, one question has always hung over me: where did the Romans conquer, and when? basically, in order which countries did they defeat?
always wanted to know where they went, as SORT OF a roleplaying motivator. cheers

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

https://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7969/romebig7idpx2.gif

[Tarkus]

Wow...great animated graphic, MAA!!! Can I ask you where you got it?

[Beefy187]

There was one on wikipedia I think

Just search Roman Empire

[Long lost Caesar]

i want to have his babies :laugh4: thanks man, never relised history played out like that.

[Boyar Son]

Why is this thread called "sins of our fathers"????:dizzy2:

[Long lost Caesar]

I thought id follow in the footsteps of me great great great great great great great great great.....grandad. Figured the name suited it.

[Dayve]

Just a quick question about that timeline you posted... In 1400AD when all that's left of the Byzantines is the south of Greece, or Sparta and Corinth as would be represented in EB, how can that still be called Byzantine territory? Did the last rightful emperor of the Byzantines decide to migrate there and hang on to the very last shred of his territory? Or did somebody from that part of the empire just declare himself emperor and declare that very last part of territory owned the Byzantine empire? I don't get how that works.

[Pharnakes]

Because it is the last remenant to have roman law, I think? Not really sure though.

[Dayve]

Ah ok. So even though they're not actually governed by the Byzantine empire, (which is dead) they are still considered a part of it because their local rulers used the same laws and/or government system?

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Wow...great animated graphic, MAA!!! Can I ask you where you got it?
I wish I knew, I really should give credit to where ever I got it. I found it on some random site a couple years ago. :shrug:

And in AD1400 to the end, Constantinople was still the capital and the Byzantine Emperors still lived there, its just the only loyal territories outside the city were in southern Greece.

[Intranetusa]

MAA, why does it say Rome and "Romania" at the end?

Romania?

[Pharnakes]

I suppose cause romania literaly means something like land of rome? IDK...

[Maeran]

The Byzantines were never called Byzantines until they were history.

They called themselves Romaioi, but their emperor at least was sometimes referred to in the west as the king of Roumania. Modern Romania almost certainly takes its name from this.

[NeoSpartan]

now that was sweet man. Thanks Marcus A.A.!

[Emperor Burakuku]

Yes, somehow. The early valahian (medieval romanians from Valahia) voievods (princes) saw themselves as the continuators of bizantine tradition after the fall of Byzantium in 1453. And therefore, the later name of Romania after the 3 principates united Valahia (A.K.A Tara (country) Romaneasca (romanian)), Moldavia (the name, as the legends says, comes from the dog of one of the first voievods, but may be cuman, and not romanian, it's complicated)and Transilvania (where Dracula comes from, which was conquered by Hungarians in early medieval period). And so, from the Country of Romans (who were no more at the time) became the Coutry of Romanians (and later modern Romania). Simple.

[Long lost Caesar]

:dizzy2:

[russia almighty]

Meh the Third Roman empire was the Russians. So technically Rome finally died when the Bolsheviks took over .


Which if I had been possessing Stalin I'd rename the U.S.S.R to the Roman Empire and make it the # 1 goal to conqueror both Rome and Constantinople.

[Emperor Burakuku]

No. The 3rd Reich eas the last Roman Empire. U.S.S.R was something else... the Mongols. Hitler was Nero and Stalin Gingis Han or Timur Lenk. Right?

[Palasta]

This one is from wikipedia.de (german)

https://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7188/631pxromanrepublicempirzz7.th.gif (https://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?image=631pxromanrepublicempirzz7.gif)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperium_romanum

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

If you want to believe in the "translatio imperii", invented by Otto the Great, the empire and its heraldic symbol, the eagle, passed from Rome to Byzantium to the empire of the Franks of Carolus Magnus, and from there to the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation, which ended in 1806. But the Tsars and I think other nations as well claimed the same. So every nation with a heraldic eagle except Zimbabwe I think worship Jupiter Romanus.~D

[delablake]

No. The 3rd Reich eas the last Roman Empire. U.S.S.R was something else... the Mongols. Hitler was Nero and Stalin Gingis Han or Timur Lenk. Right?

Well...I doubt that Hitler spoke any Latin or that Nero built gas-chambers, nor did the Nazis bring any culture :whip: (apart from hate) to the rest of the world, but I agree on Stalin as Timur Lenk

[pezhetairoi]

A question. Along the way in Rome and Romania, somewhere (I think 1100AD) the Byzantine peninsula was lost, and sandwiched between still-Byzantine Greece and Asia Minor. What happened there? Was there a usurper in Constantinople, or some sort of rebellion? Or was it just the graphic equivalent of a typo... o.O

[tapanojum]

A question. Along the way in Rome and Romania, somewhere (I think 1100AD) the Byzantine peninsula was lost, and sandwiched between still-Byzantine Greece and Asia Minor. What happened there? Was there a usurper in Constantinople, or some sort of rebellion? Or was it just the graphic equivalent of a typo... o.O

My history is fuzzy but I forget the name of the Emperor who rose to power during that time, but I think he manages to reclaim massive amounts of land and totally turn the situation around completely.

Someone help me out here...

[The General]

A question. Along the way in Rome and Romania, somewhere (I think 1100AD) the Byzantine peninsula was lost, and sandwiched between still-Byzantine Greece and Asia Minor. What happened there? Was there a usurper in Constantinople, or some sort of rebellion? Or was it just the graphic equivalent of a typo... o.O
If by 'Byzantine peninsula' you mean the area around Constantinople, it's not a mistake ->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Empire



Also, the map focuses quite a bit on the years 600-900, and omits, for example, this stage, 1173 AD:
https://img440.imageshack.us/img440/2708/byzantium1173lp1.jpg

[Axel JD]

My history is fuzzy but I forget the name of the Emperor who rose to power during that time, but I think he manages to reclaim massive amounts of land and totally turn the situation around completely.

Someone help me out here...

The first emperor in exile was Theodoros Laskaris and was indeed very successful. Saved the day, sort of thing.

[Danest]

The Romans would have conquered, or been conquered, much faster if they'd been surrounded by countries as stubbornly undiplomatic and aggressive as the RTW AI. It's hard (and not very realistic) to try to recreate history if the other countries aren't supporting your endeavour. ;)

[-Praetor-]

A question. Along the way in Rome and Romania, somewhere (I think 1100AD) the Byzantine peninsula was lost, and sandwiched between still-Byzantine Greece and Asia Minor. What happened there? Was there a usurper in Constantinople, or some sort of rebellion? Or was it just the graphic equivalent of a typo... o.O

That was the 4th crusade IIRC.

[Mithradates VI]

My history is fuzzy but I forget the name of the Emperor who rose to power during that time, but I think he manages to reclaim massive amounts of land and totally turn the situation around completely.

Someone help me out here...


This would be all thanks to the Fourth Crusade.

And the Venetians.

Stupid bloodthirsty Venetians.

Anyway, they took Constantinople in 1204, but Michael VIII Paleologus retook the city from the Latin scum in 1261.

[delablake]

Maybe it's out of topic, sorry, but I am still waiting for a movie on the Fall of Constantinople in 1453. What a dramatic scenery...
the last Roman Emperor dies fighting on the barricades, all the bells are ringing and the big Cross on the Hagia Sophia comes crashing down...
(And the Venetians paid a bitter price later, when the Turks started to conquer the rest of the South-East Mediterraneum, including Crete and Cyprus, though never made it in Malta.)
(shivers)

[Sarkiss]

Playing many Romani campaigns and taking different directions each time, one question has always hung over me: where did the Romans conquer, and when? basically, in order which countries did they defeat?
always wanted to know where they went, as SORT OF a roleplaying motivator. cheers
TIMELINE
Created by bucellarii, MRR History-Advisor
272 BC - The Romans capture the city of Tarentum.
272 BC - The Romans complete the subjugation of the Samnites, Lucanians and Bruttians.
270 BC - The city of Rhegium is recaptured after it was seized by a garrison of Campanian
troops.
269 BC - The Picentes revolt against Rome
268 BC – Ancona the chief city of the Picentes is stormed by the Romans
268 BC - The rebel Picentes are defeated and given half citizenship. Only the city of Asculum
was granted a treaty of alliance.
268 BC - Latin colony at Beneventum
268 BC - Latin colony, near Ariminum to secure the ager Gallicus.
268 BC - The Sabines receive full elevation to Roman citizenship.
267 BC - The Romans capture the city of Brundisium from a tribe known as the Sallentini.
267/266 BC – Ariminium revolt, stormed 266.
266 BC - The Romans accept the requests from Apulia and Messapia for alliances, and they
become part of the Roman alliance network.
266 BC - The whole of the Italian peninsula is now part of the Roman confederacy.
264 BC – Roman alliance with and a group of mercenaries called Mamertines based in
Messana.
264 BC - First Punic War Roman army lands in Sicily and occupies Messana.
263 BC - First Punic War The consul Man. Valerius draws lines of siege around Syracuse.
Although he did not succeed in the siege, he managed to pull Syracuse away from its alliance
with the Carthaginians.
263 BC - First Punic War Heiro of Syracuse is enrolled as an ally of Rome.
263 BC - Foundation of the Latin colony of Aesernia.
262 BC - First Punic War Siege and capture of Agrigentum.
260 BC - First Punic War Battle of Mylae. 140 Roman ships using the corvi, which were
grappling hooks on the ends of boards destroyed 130 Punic ships.
259 BC – Roman occupation of Corsica
258 BC - First Punic War Roman fleet achieves a minor victory near Sulci.
257 BC - First Punic War The Roman fleet achieves a minor victory near Tyndaris.
256 BC – First Punic War A Roman expeditionary force under M. Regulus
lands in Africa.
256 BC - First Punic War The Roman fleet achieves a major victory in battle at Cape
Ecnomus.
255 BC - First Punic War The Roman army invading Africa under M. Regulus was virtually
destroyed by the Carthaginians in the Battle of Bagradas.
255 BC - First Punic War Part of the Roman fleet is wrecked off the coast near Pachynus.
254 BC - First Punic War Romans capture the city of Panormus.
253 BC - First Punic War A small Roman fleet is wrecked off the coast of Sicily near the
town of Palinurus.
250 BC - First Punic War Carthaginians try to recover Panormus but are defeated, suffering
heavy losses and loosing all of their elephants.
250 BC - First Punic War Carthaginians destroy the town of Selinunte.
250 BC – First Punic War Roman siege of Lilybaeum
249 BC - First Punic War Roman naval defeat at Drepana.
247 BC - First Punic War The Carthaginian general Hamilcar Barca starts Carthaginian
offensive in Sicily
244 BC – Latin colony at Brundisium
243 BC - First Punic War The Romans construct a new fleet from voluntary loans.
241 BC - First Punic War Roman ships under the admiral Lutatius Catulus defeat
Carthaginian ships off the Aegates Isles. End of the First Punic
241 BC – Roman occupation of Sicily
241 BC - A Latin colony is founded at Spoletium.
241 BC – Two tribes created in Picenum. The total tribes of Rome now amount to 35.
238 -225 BC – Roman occupation and reduction of Sardinia and Corsica.
236 BC - New Gallic raids occur in the north of Italy.
235 BC - Peace reigns. The doors of the temple of Janus are closed for the first time since the
rule of Numa Pompilius.
233 BC - Roman general Q. Fabius Maximus Verrucosus wins a victory over the Gallic
Ligurians.
232 BC - T. Flaminius passes a law for the distribution of the ager Gallicus.
229 BC - First Illyrian War -Romans start war with Queen Teuta of Greek Illyria.
228 BC - End of the First Illyrian War – Roman protectorate established on the Illyrian
coast
228 BC - The Romans send envoys to the Greek cities of Athens and Corinth.
227 BC - Praetorships raised to four. Sicily and Sardinia under praetors.
226 BC - Roman embassy to Hasdrubal. The Ebro Treaty is signed setting the Ebro River as
the boundary between Carthaginians and Romans.
225 BC - An invading army of Gauls is defeated in a battle near the city of Telamon.
223 BC - T. Flaminius is victorious in a war against the Insubres tribe.
222 BC - A battle occurs between the Romans and the Gauls at the battle of Sellasia.
222 BC – Victory for M. Claudius Marcellus against the Insubres at the Battle of Clastidium.
222 BC - The Insubres city of Mediolanum (modern Milan) is captured by the Romans. The
Insubres surrender unconditionally
221 BC - The Spanish allied city of Saguntum appeals to Rome for help against Hannibal.
220 BC – North-eastern frontier secured to Julian Alps.
219 BC - Second Illyrian War – Demetrius defeated.
219 BC - Capture of town of Saguntum by Hannibal
218 BC – Latin colonies at Placentia and Cremona
218 BC - Second Punic War start of war after Roman ultimatum is ignored.
218 BC - Second Punic War A small skirmish on the River Ticinus occurs with a victory for
Hannibal and the Carthaginians.
218 BC - Second Punic War Battle of the River Trebia
217 BC - Second Punic War Battle of Lake Trasimene
217 BC - Second Punic War Elevation of Q. Fabius Maximus later (Verucosis Cunctator) to
high command, and he is made dictator. By delaying battles and keeping himself in the
region, Fabius averted cities from going over to Hannibal.
217 BC - Second Punic War the Romans gain a victory in a naval encounter near the Ebro
River.
216 BC - Second Punic War Battle of Cannae
216 BC - Second Punic War Hannibal marches through the district of Cannae into
Campania, and begins to plunder and ravage the countryside in order to tempt the Roman
general Q. Fabius Maximus Cunctator.
216 BC - Second Punic War Revolts in central Italy, including defections to the
Carthaginians by cities, like Capua.
215 BC - Second Punic War Hasdrubal defeated by Cn. and P. Cornelius Scipio at Dertosa.
215 BC - Second Punic War The island of Sardinia revolts, and the Carthaginians send a
force to recover the island. But the Romans, who needed the corn, sent a force of troops who
quickly defeated the Carthaginian force.
215 BC – Alliance of Carthage with Philip and Syracuse
214 BC - Start of the First Macedonian War under King Phillip V of Macedonia.
214 BC - A Roman general, M. Valerius Laevinus, is sent on a military campaign to Illyria.
213 BC - Second Punic War Siege of Syracuse begins.
213 BC - Second Punic War Hannibal captures and occupies the city of Tarentum.
212 BC - Second Punic War Romans besiege the city of Capua.
211 BC - Second Punic War The city of Capua falls to the Romans. It is later punished for
aiding Hannibal's cause.
211 BC - Second Punic War The Romans destroy the city of Morgantina in order to aid their
siege of Syracuse.
211 BC - Second Punic War Hannibal’s march on Rome.
211BC - Second Punic War As a part of the campaign in Sicily against Syracuse, the
Romans destroy the city of Morgantina.
211 BC - Second Punic War Rome captures Syracuse.
211 BC - First Macedonian War The Romans form an alliance with the Greek Aetolian
league to protect them against the marauding King Phillip of Macedon.
211 BC – Second Punic War The defeat and deaths of the elder Scipios in Spain.
210 BC - Second Punic War Command in Spain given to P. Cornelius Scipio, later
Africanus
210 BC - Second Punic War The Romans recapture the city of Agrigentum.
209 BC - Second Punic War 12 of the 30 Latin colonies refuse to supply their quota of
troops
209 BC - Second Punic War The Romans recapture of Tarentum
209 BC - Second Punic War Capture of New Carthage by Scipio.
208 BC - Second Punic War Scipio defeats Hasdrubal Barca near the town of Baecula.
207 BC - Second Punic War Battle of Metaurus River. Victory for the Romans over
Hasdrubal Barca.
206 BC - Second Punic War Battle of Ilipa. 48,000 Romans and Spanish allies under P.
Cornelius Scipio (later Africanus) defeated a Carthaginian force of 50,000. Final reduction of
Carthaginian presence in Spain.
206 BC - First Macedonian War – Aetolians make peace with Philip
205 BC - End of the First Macedonian War – Peace of Phoenice
204 BC - Second Punic War Scipio lands in Africa
204 BC - Second Punic War A battle in the Bagradas valley. Scipio defeated the
Carthaginians and the forces of their ally King Syphax of Numidia.
203 BC - Second Punic War King Syphax of Numidia is defeated and captured in the battle
of Cirta against Masinissa of Numidia and Laelius.
203 BC Hannibal recalled from Italy in winter
202 BC - Second Punic War Battle of Zama. The Romans defeat Hannibal.
201 BC – End of Second Punic War. Carthage becomes a client state. Masinissa is king of
Greater Numidia
200 BC – Insubres sack the Roman town of Placentia.
200 BC - Start of the Second Macedonian War.
200 BC - Second Macedonian War The Romans storm, capture and sack the city of
Acanthus.
198 BC - Second Macedonian War The consul T. Quinctius Flamininus defeats the army of
King Philip V in a battle near the Aous River.
197 BC – Praetorships raised to six. Spain organised as two provinces.
197 BC - The Insubres who destroyed Placentia were defeated by the consul G. Cornelius
Cethegus.
197 BC - Second Macedonian War Battle of Cynoscephalae. The Romans won the battle.
Peace between Philip and Rome.
196 BC – Final defeat of the Insubres by the consul M.Claudius Marcellus. Permanent
settlement of Mediolanum
197 BC – Spanish Wars Revolt of the Turdetani
196 BC - The city of Smyrna appeals to Rome for help against the attacks of King Antiochus
III.
195 BC - Spanish Wars The Spanish insurrections in the Roman province by the Turdetani
with Celtiberian mercenaries are defeated by a consular army under one of the consuls M.
Porcius Cato.
195 BC - The Romans become involved in a war with Nabis of Sparta.
194 BC - Spanish Wars The Turdetani are finally defeated and reduced to submission by the
praetor P. Cornelius Scipio Nasica, but their Celtiberian allies carried on the war
194 BC - Romans evacuate Greece.
194 BC - The foundation of Roman colonies at Volturnum, Liternum, Puteoli, Selernum,
Pyrgi, Sipontum, Tempsa, Croton and Buxentum
193 BC – Latin colony at Copia
192 BC - Syrian Wars The Romans pass a declaration of war against King Antiochus III.
192 BC – Latin colony at Vibo
191 BC - Defeat of the Boii by P. Cornelius Scipio Nasica. The Boii ceded half their territory
and gradually drifted into the Danube regions or else were absorbed by the spread of Roman
culture.
191 BC - Syrian Wars The consul Man. Acilius Glabrio embarks for Greece.
191 BC - Syrian Wars Antiochus defeated at Thermopylae
191 BC - Syrian Wars Antiochus’ fleet is defeated off the island of Corycus.
191 BC - Rome becomes involved in a war with the Aetolians.
190 BC - Syrian Wars Antiochus fleet is defeated at Side and Myonnesus.
190 BC – Placentia and Cremona reinforced by 6000 Roman and Latin settlers.
189 BC - Syrian Wars Antiochus defeated at the battle of Magnesia by a Roman army under
Lucius Cornelius Scipio Asiaticus. This made Rome the dominant power in Asia Minor.
189 BC - Gn. Manlius Vulso campaigns against the tribes of Galatia, securing the coastline
from their raids. Lasting benefits and prosperity resulted for the coastal towns.
189 BC – Latin colony at Bononia. Campanians enrolled as Roman citizens.
189 BC - The Romans agree to peace with the Aetolians.
188 BC - Full citizen rights granted to Arpinum, Formiae and Fundi.
187 BC – Non-citizens expelled from Rome
186 BC - During an expedition against the Ligurians in Cisalpine Gaul (whose chief tribes
were the Apuani and Ingauni), the consul for the year Q. Marcius Phillipus, was killed along
with his two legions in a pass named after him later on (Saltus Marcius).
185 BC - Spanish Wars The Romans defeat and reconquer the Ebro valley, which was lost
after the tribes of the valley rebelled
184 BC - Roman colonies established at Potentia and Pisaurum.
181 BC - L. Aemilius Paullus defeats the Ingauni.
181 BC – Revolt in Corsica and Sardinia.
181 BC – Latin colony at Aquileia and a Roman colony at Graviscae.
180 BC – The Apuani defeated
180 BC – Latin colony at Luca and the foundation of Graccuris in Spain.
178 BC - A military expedition by the Romans against the Istri occurs.
177 BC – Roman annexation of Istria.
177-176 BC – Sardinia reduced
173 BC – Latins expelled from Rome
172 BC - Start of the Third Macedonian War.
171BC – Latin colony at Carteia in Spain.
168 BC - Third Macedonian War Battle of Pynda. A victory for the Romans under L.
Aemilius Paullus. Perseus, King of Macedonia, was captured during the battle.
168 BC - Capture of the Illyrian chieftain Genthius, who had aided Perseus during the Third
Macedonian War.
168 BC – Foundation of Corduba in Spain (or 151 BC)
167 BC – Epirus pundered.
167 BC End of Third Macedonian War Macedon divided into four, Illyria into three
protectorates.
167 BC - Taxation of Roman citizens is abolished. Taxation now falls only upon allies,
Italians and Latins.
163 BC – Final reduction of Corsica
155 BC - Roman campaigns in Dalmatia and Pannonia.
154 BC - Spanish Wars The Turdetani and Celtiberians rebel again and attack the Roman
garrisons stationed in the Spanish provinces.
154 BC - Spanish Wars The Celtiberian raiders mount an invasion of the province of Further
Spain.
154 BC - The Romans defeat the Oxybian Ligures in a pitched battle.
151 BC - Spanish Wars The Roman general Scipio Aemilianus defeats a Spanish chieftain
who had challenged him to single combat.
151 BC - Spanish Wars The Spanish tribe known as the Lusitanians defeat an army under the
praetor Ser. Sulpicius Galba in Further Spain.
151 BC - Spanish Wars The Roman general L. Licinius Lucullus attacks and captures the
town of Cauca, of the tribe known as the Vaccaei.
151 BC - Carthage declares war on King Masinissa of Numidia.
150 BC - Spanish Wars L. Licinius Lucullus went to the aid of Ser. Sulpicius Galba, and
inflicted such a defeat on the Lusitanians that they were forced to surrender and accept terms
set by the Romans.
149 BC - Fourth Macedonian War. Started under an adventurer who claimed to be a son of
King Perseus, called Andriscus.
149 BC - King Prusias of Bithynia is deposed from his throne by King Attalus II of
Pergamum. The son of Prusias is put on the throne to become the first King Nicomedes. This
is the last royal dynasty to rule over Bithynia.
149 - 146 BC - The Third Punic War.
148 BC - End of Fourth Macedonian War - which ended with the defeat of Andriscus by Q.
Caecilius Metellus (later Macedonicus) and subsequently executed in Thrace.
147 BC - Seeing the futility of their efforts to keep peace and stability in Macedonia the
Romans annex it and Macedonia becomes a province.
146 BC - The Third Punic War The Romans defeat Carthage, capture the city, raze it to the
ground and sow salt into the ground to make sure no-one ever lives there again.
146 BC - Spanish Wars The tribe of the Lusitanians gain an able leader named Viriathus,
who organizes constant successful guerrilla raids and ambushes on Roman forces.
146 BC - Achaean War under L. Mummius, which is very brief with one battle near Corinth.
Mummius ordered the city of Corinth to be razed to the ground.
146 BC - The Achaean League is destroyed and its members dissolved.
146 BC - The newly acquired region of Greece is constituted into the new Roman province of
Achaea.
146 BC - Africa becomes a province .
143 BC - Spanish Wars The successes of the Lusitanians under Viriathus encourages the
Celtiberians, who revolt against the Romans.
143 - 142 BC - Spanish Wars The consul Q. Caecilius Metellus led a massive campaign in
which the Celtiberians were defeated a succession of times and driven from the field in the
Nearer Spain province.
141 BC - Spanish Wars The Lusitanian/Celtiberian rebels under Viriathus forced the consul
Q. Fabius Maximus Servillianus into a hopeless position, in which he is forced to sign a
treaty.
140 BC - Spanish Wars The replacement for Fabius Servilius Caepio, broke the treaty with
the Lusitanians. Caepio was defeated but paid the agents of Viriathus to murder their chief.
The Lusitanians finally submitted to Rome.
139 BC - Spanish Wars The land of Lusitania is annexed into the Roman Spanish province.
137 BC - Spanish Wars The replacement for Servilius Caepio in Spain, D. Junius Brutus,
raided further into enemy territory, sacking small villages and hamlets as he went.
134 BC - Spanish Wars P. Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus, the destroyer of Carthage blockades
the stronghold of Numantia by surrounding the city with seven camps and a line of
fortifications between the camps (circumvallation)
133 BC - Slave revolts in Sicily.
133 BC - King Attalus of Pergamum bequeaths his kingdom to Rome in a will upon his death.
133 BC - Spanish Wars Numantia capitulates due to hunger. P. Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus
completely destroyed the city in the fashion of Carthage and sold the entire population into
slavery. This event marks the end of the Spanish Wars, and though there were minor
rebellions, the peninsula stayed relatively peaceful until the start of the Sertorian Wars.

[Reno Melitensis]

(And the Venetians paid a bitter price later, when the Turks started to conquer the rest of the South-East Mediterraneum, including Crete and Cyprus, though never made it in Malta.)
(shivers)


As you mentioned the Turks and my homeland of Malta, it is very important to remined Eb fans that thanks to the order of St. John of Jerusalem, Malta was attacked because the turks wanted to wipe out the order. The knights where so few that the Grandmaster Jean de La Vallett called his knights from all corners of europe. It was the Maltese, many of whom where pirates, known as 'Furbani' in Maltese, that won the Great Siege, thanks also to la Vallett strategic genius.

Cheers.

[Korinthian]

This would be all thanks to the Fourth Crusade.

And the Venetians.

Stupid bloodthirsty Venetians.

Anyway, they took Constantinople in 1204, but Michael VIII Paleologus retook the city from the Latin scum in 1261.

Mithradates your are right. Michael VIII Paleologus retook Constantinople back from the Latin Empire (4th Crusades Feudal State). The Paleologus family were the last family ruling the remnants of the Byzantine Empire till the Fall of Constantinople. They were the Despots (Rulers) of Morea (Peloponnese) which in turns fell to the Turks 3 years after the fall of Constantinople. This i believe answers the above stated questions about why the last part left of the Empire was the Peloponnese area.

[AntiochusIII]

Mithradates your are right. Michael VIII Paleologus retook Constantinople back from the Latin Empire (4th Crusades Feudal State). The Paleologus family were the last family ruling the remnants of the Byzantine Empire till the Fall of Constantinople. They were the Despots (Rulers) of Morea (Peloponnese) which in turns fell to the Turks 3 years after the fall of Constantinople. This i believe answers the above stated questions about why the last part left of the Empire was the Peloponnese area.Wasn't Constantine XI 'the Dragon' a despot of Morea (the Peloponnese) before he became the last Emperor in Constantinople? He was even offered a free passage back to the Morea by the Sultan when the Ottomans besieged Constantinople; he refused and, I think, made the right choice since historically it did give the Eastern Empire something of a glorious fall instead of teetering out like the West a millenia earlier.

As for the side discussion of who's the new Roman Empire, we all know everybody and his warring mother before the era of nations claim that he's the rightful heir to Rome's Imperial legacy, so it really doesn't matter much.

...although Mehmed II did claim the Roman throne when he conquered Constantinople by the way, so may be by right of conquest he was the new Roman Emperor. :crowngrin:

[Mouzafphaerre]

.
Ottoman sultans from Mehmed II up -presumably- until the last (Mahmed VI) carried the title of Roman Emperor (Kayser-i Iklīm-i Rūm). The claim was supported by the Orthodox clergy in the beginning. (Not all of them indeed, such as the Patriarch, who resigned...)

Presumably I say because that last decade, 1908-18 (nominally 1922) is very fuzzy... Abdulhamid II (deposed in 1909, third from the last) did carry the title.

About the last ruling Palaiologos, there's a thread at the Monastery:

Tell me about Constantine XI
.

[Moosemanmoo]

poor old Byzantines

what got em in the end? I mean after the turks nabbed constantinople