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Blodrast
12-03-2007, 20:36
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/02/AR2006110201810.html?nav=hcmoduletmv


U.S. Plans to Screen All Who Enter, Leave Country
Personal Data Will Be Cross-Checked With Terrorism Watch Lists; Risk Profiles to Be Stored for Years

By Ellen Nakashima and Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, November 3, 2006; Page A18

The federal government disclosed details yesterday of a border-security program to screen all people who enter and leave the United States, create a terrorism risk profile of each individual and retain that information for up to 40 years.

The details, released in a notice published yesterday in the Federal Register, open a new window on the government's broad and often controversial data-collection effort directed at American and foreign travelers, which was implemented after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

While long known to scrutinize air travelers, the Department of Homeland Security is seeking to apply new technology to perform similar checks on people who enter or leave the country "by automobile or on foot," the notice said.

The department intends to use a program called the Automated Targeting System, originally designed to screen shipping cargo, to store and analyze the data.

"We have been doing risk assessments of cargo and passengers coming into and out of the U.S.," DHS spokesman Jarrod Agen said. "We have the authority and the ability to do it for passengers coming by land and sea."

In practice, he said, the government has not conducted risk assessments on travelers at land crossings for logistical reasons.

"We gather, collect information that is needed to protect the borders," Agen said. "We store the information we see as pertinent to keeping Americans safe."

Civil libertarians expressed concern that risk profiling on such a scale would be intrusive and would not adequately protect citizens' privacy rights, issues similar to those that have surrounded systems profiling air passengers.

"They are assigning a suspicion level to millions of law-abiding citizens," said David Sobel, senior counsel of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "This is about as Kafkaesque as you can get."

DHS officials said that by publishing the notice, they are simply providing "expanded notice and transparency" about an existing program disclosed in October 2001, the Treasury Enforcement Communications System.

But others said Congress has been unaware of the potential of the Automated Targeting System to assess non-aviation travelers.

"ATS started as a tool to prevent the entry of drugs with cargo into the U.S.," said one aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject. "We are not aware of Congress specifically legislating to make this expansion possible."

The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, chaired by Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), yesterday asked Homeland Security to brief staff members on the program, Collins's spokeswoman, Jen Burita, said.

The notice comes as the department is tightening its ability to identify people at the borders. At the end of the year, for example, Homeland Security is expanding its Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology program, under which 32 million noncitizens entering the country annually are fingerprinted and photographed at 115 airports, 15 seaports and 154 land ports.

Stephen E. Flynn, senior fellow for national security studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, expressed doubts about the department's ability to conduct risk assessments of individuals on a wide scale.

He said customs investigators are so focused on finding drugs and weapons of mass destruction that it would be difficult to screen all individual border crossers, other than cargo-truck drivers and shipping crews.

"There is an ability in theory for government to cast a wider net," he said. "The reality of it is customs is barely able to manage the data they have."

The data-mining program stemmed from an effort in the early 1990s by customs officials to begin assessing the risk of cargo originating in certain countries and from certain shippers. Risk assessment turned more heavily to automated, computer-driven systems after the 2001 attacks.

The risk assessment is created by analysts at the National Targeting Center, a high-tech facility opened in November 2001 and now run by Customs and Border Protection.

In a round-the-clock operation, targeters match names against terrorist watch lists and a host of other data to determine whether a person's background or behavior indicates a terrorist threat, a risk to border security or the potential for illegal activity. They also assess cargo.

Each traveler assessed by the center is assigned a numeric score: The higher the score, the higher the risk. A certain number of points send the traveler back for a full interview.

The Automated Targeting System relies on government databases that include law enforcement data, shipping manifests, travel itineraries and airline passenger data, such as names, addresses, credit card details and phone numbers.

The parent program, Treasury Enforcement Communications System, houses "every possible type of information from a variety of federal, state and local sources," according to a 2001 Federal Register notice.

It includes arrest records, physical descriptions and "wanted" notices. The 5.3 billion-record database was accessed 766 million times a day to process 475 million travelers, according to a 2003 Transportation Research Board study.

In yesterday's Federal Register notice, Homeland Security said it will keep people's risk profiles for up to 40 years "to cover the potentially active lifespan of individuals associated with terrorism or other criminal activities," and because "the risk assessment for individuals who are deemed low risk will be relevant if their risk profile changes in the future, for example, if terrorist associations are identified."

DHS will keep a "pointer or reference" to the underlying records that resulted in the profile.

The DHS notice specified that the Automated Targeting System does not call for any new means of collecting information but rather for the use of existing systems. The notice did not spell out what will determine whether someone is high risk.

But documents and former officials say the system relies on hundreds of "rules" to factor a score for each individual, vehicle or piece of cargo.

According to yesterday's notice, the program is exempt from certain requirements of the Privacy Act of 1974 that allow, for instance, people to access records to determine "if the system contains a record pertaining to a particular individual" and "for the purpose of contesting the content of the record."

Devastatin Dave
12-03-2007, 20:55
Good.

Blodrast
12-03-2007, 20:58
Good.

Well, would you care to elaborate ? As in, "Good, because <insert reason(s)>".

Devastatin Dave
12-03-2007, 21:10
Well, would you care to elaborate ? As in, "Good, because <insert reason(s)>".
Oh, sorry, good, because it will keep sneveling "my rights trump you safety" whiners weak-kneed sissy boys and girls from coming in a country they hate anyway. God Bless America.

drone
12-03-2007, 21:59
The program covers both Americans and foreigners alike. Fingerprinting, retinal scans, and cavity searches soon to be required for all.

Papewaio
12-03-2007, 22:04
As long as it fine for a reciprocal arrangement. No complaining that if you are a US citizen you get cavity searched at every border crossing within the EU. :2thumbsup:

Tribesman
12-03-2007, 22:24
if you are a US citizen you get cavity searched at every border crossing within the EU.
Thats it , Daves on his way to the EU:laugh4:

Xiahou
12-03-2007, 22:44
I'm assuming this still won't apply to the millions of illegal aliens who enter/leave our country? :dizzy2:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
12-03-2007, 23:27
I'm assuming this still won't apply to the millions of illegal aliens who enter/leave our country? :dizzy2:


Was about to say the same. Secure our borders first

Vladimir
12-03-2007, 23:35
Was about to say the same. Secure our borders first

That's just an excuse for inaction. Secure whatever borders we can would be more appropriate. I also agree that it is good, cavity searches excluded.

El Diablo
12-03-2007, 23:45
Orinally posted by Xiahou
won't apply to the millions of illegal aliens

I thought the US government denies the existance of aliens, area 52 and even Mexico.

Cavity searches seems a bit excessive also. Imagine being the person who job it is to search peoples cavites. Expecially after a good curry...:inquisitive:

seireikhaan
12-03-2007, 23:56
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Benjamin Franklin

Down with post 9/11 "reforms".:thumbsdown:

IrishArmenian
12-04-2007, 00:18
Good thing I entered before this was approved. I'm of dark complexion, I've quite nose, I speak a foreign language and my English with an accent, foreign military service is definitely not helping. and I've somewhat of a beard nearly every day (got to love Armenian genes, I'm so happy I don't have to worry about women noticing me anymore).
I may've been turned around if entered later.:wall:

Papewaio
12-04-2007, 00:22
Cavity searches seems a bit excessive also. Imagine being the person who job it is to search peoples cavites. Expecially after a good curry...:inquisitive:

Tuna, egg, onion and baked beans should be a nice treat for the customs officials.

Ice
12-04-2007, 00:27
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Benjamin Franklin

Down with post 9/11 "reforms".:thumbsdown:

:yes:

I thought the same thing. It's getting out of hand.

Louis VI the Fat
12-04-2007, 00:28
I was thinking more about eating nothing but beans and constipation pills for a week, and half an hour before customs a huge dose of laxation pills.

Then I let one rip when they bend over for a closer look...

Blodrast
12-04-2007, 02:42
Ooops, my mistake, apparently that is old news - it was published a year ago...
My apologies. :shame:
I still think it might be worthy of discussion, though.

Papewaio
12-04-2007, 02:51
Some news takes longer to travel then others... it just needs more fiber.

Blodrast
12-04-2007, 03:01
Lol @ Papewaio.

Here, to partially make up for my mistake (which, ironically enough, was due to reading liberal news sites :laugh4:), here's one angle to the discussion: how has tourism within the US changed in the last, say, 6 years (and why) ?

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
12-04-2007, 03:05
Well, I have no interest in going, for starters.

ajaxfetish
12-04-2007, 03:09
It's about time someone put an end to all those shifty Canucks coming and going as they please. It should be a simple matter to close that border and take the time to do a background check on every man, woman, child, or pet trying to cross it.

*ahem

In practice, he said, the government has not conducted risk assessments on travelers at land crossings for logistical reasons.
And how is this expected to change?

btw, Thank you, Kamikhaan, for stating (quoting?) the obvious and necessary response.

Ajax

Lord Winter
12-04-2007, 03:12
Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Benjamin Franklin

Down with post 9/11 "reforms".:thumbsdown:

:yes:

I'm curious what sort of results their expecting from the change. Isn't checking everyone just a little paranoid not to mention almost as easy to bypass as the old system to the determined terrorist.

Blodrast
12-04-2007, 03:19
While several posts in here tend to look at this as mainly targeting non-US citizens, as drone correctly pointed out, this is applicable to all travelers, regardless of citizenship.

There is the non-trivial matter of logistics (computing power/storage/secure access to data), as well as the fact that it's probably doubtful that these records can survive for "up to 40 years", considering the rather quick changes in electronic storage formats that we see these days...

HoreTore
12-04-2007, 08:32
Secure our borders first

Secure your borders first, then make sure that you cut the number of tourists in half? Brilliant plan.

Pannonian
12-04-2007, 11:17
I may've been turned around if entered later.:wall:
:sweatdrop: :laugh4:

Slug For A Butt
12-04-2007, 12:33
I'd like to think the British Government would take at least a passing interest in who is entering our country. They have absolutely no idea how many illegals are in this country, they have absolutely no way of finding out now that they are inside the borders either.
Every year I take a trip to mainland Europe on my motorbike with either my wife or my friends. Now, the security is much tighter on the way out than it is on the way back :dizzy2: . Jumping off the ferry on British soil I only need to wave two British passports at border control as I ride past, we have only once had to remove our helmets, have our passports checked or even stop!
Anyone could be under that helmet on my pillion seat (I could have gone out on my own and brought someone naughty back). All I'd need to do is take a spare passport out with me.
I'd love British security to at least be thinking of being more draconian, like is being proposed above.

Just a thought. If mandatory anal cavity searches were imposed do you think the Gay Pride march would go international?

Ronin
12-04-2007, 12:50
I always wanted to see Vegas....


ohh well.....Amsterdam will have to do.:laugh4:

Husar
12-04-2007, 13:19
I'm going anyway, their scare tactics won't stop me and that includes Odin. :laugh4:

Fragony
12-04-2007, 14:26
class of 1984 those were the days

Productivity
12-04-2007, 14:59
While I don't deny the US the right to do this, having allready had the 'privelidge' of experiencing regular searches in the US*, presumably because someone with a name similar to mine might be a terrorist, I'm going to pass on visiting your country for anything but business until you become a little more welcoming.

It's your countries choice, but it does have impacts. If you're happy being completely isolationist, then so be it. However if you treat the citizens of your allies this way, don't expect them to like you or support your policy.

*On arrival and departure for every flight in the US, I am taken to a room and strip searched, without failure. This occuring on a total of 18 flights over a period of three years leaves you feeling a little jaded to the whole thing by the end and doubting that it is purely random.

Devastatin Dave
12-05-2007, 00:58
Thats it , Daves on his way to the EU:laugh4:
I'm booking flights, time to break out the passport and the KY.:laugh4:

Husar
12-05-2007, 04:10
The airport security is obviously not working anyway. (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/reporters_expose_airport_security) :laugh4:

Odin
12-05-2007, 15:44
I'm going anyway, their scare tactics won't stop me and that includes Odin. :laugh4:

It will be more frightening once you arrive. :logic:

I hear asia is a lovely destination for EU travelers.

Husar
12-05-2007, 20:48
It will be more frightening once you arrive. :logic:
Even more frightening that to stay here for my entire life? :skull:


I hear asia is a lovely destination for EU travelers.
I hear you're repeating yourself.

Don't you think it's weird to say you live in the best country of the world and then tell me to go elsewhere?
(I feel like I know the answer to that one :sweatdrop: )

Odin
12-05-2007, 21:11
Even more frightening that to stay here for my entire life? :skull:

Your better off there. Remember this is a crumbling super power. Streets are crumbling, food shortages, rape, murder, cats sleeping with dogs, snow in august, 100 degree temps in january.

Havent you been watching any media outlets? Were evil Husar, EVIL!!!



Don't you think it's weird to say you live in the best country of the world and then tell me to go elsewhere?

If I said I lived in the best country in the world I was wrong (although I dont think I said it). I will say that its the best for me, I've been blessed to have traveled a bit in my life.

ICantSpellDawg
12-05-2007, 22:09
I think we are the best country in the world in terms of variation in climate and geography. Plus, you aren't likely to be killed in a combat situation. Plus you will be more likely to get a great deal on stuff you would actually buy in your own country.

I think that we are a great country. The greatest is up in the air and relative, but I think "Great" sums it up for me.

Husar
12-06-2007, 01:29
cats sleeping with dogs
How sweeeeeet! I just have to see that! ~;)

We're deriving the topic, my opinion stands that this won't stop me and I find it almost useless, if I were transporting something evil (not counting my inner self), I'd certainly not hide it in my luggage. :dizzy2:

Louis VI the Fat
12-06-2007, 01:39
It will be more frightening once you arrive. :logic:

I hear asia is a lovely destination for EU travelers.All the Euro-crooks are kidnapped into (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=95982) America, while all the decent folk are deterred from going there in the first place.

Logical? I think not. On the upside, all of this does make America some sort of penal colony for Europe, which is good.

Odin
12-06-2007, 02:01
All the Euro-crooks are kidnapped into (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=95982) America, while all the decent folk are deterred from going there in the first place.

Logical? I think not. On the upside, all of this does make America some sort of penal colony for Europe, which is good.

:zzz:

Really Louis must you be so dramatic? :drama2:

You know extrodinary rendition and screening is all meant to keep you safe, or didnt sarko pass that along last month after his meeting with Mr Bush? :wiseguy:

Roman_Man#3
12-06-2007, 02:14
It's about time someone put an end to all those shifty Canucks coming and going as they please. It should be a simple matter to close that border and take the time to do a background check on every man, woman, child, or pet trying to cross it.
Ajax

Well, at least we're not paranoid, right? Especially after close to 100 years of friendship and unguarded borders. I'm just glad you hold us in such high esteem.:beam:

Louis VI the Fat
12-06-2007, 15:01
Really Louis must you be so dramatic? :drama2:
I'm not being dramatic I'm being sensible I love America but your country is going down the drain the dollar has collapsed and the US economy is in a freefalling downward spiral and your army is bogged down in foreign adventures really if Costa Rica invades now they would win and then there's this war on terror which is the moral bankruptcy of America and I know you are ashamed of America right now and would rather we visit some other time but I just want to come over and help with the strong euro I can now afford to buy a fairly large chunk of America and help that part get back on track but I'm not going to simply send you money that never works I want to come over and teach you people how to help yourself but I can't because they installed cavity searches to deter me.

Odin
12-06-2007, 15:12
I'm not being dramatic I'm being sensible I love America but your country is going down the drain the dollar has collapsed and the US economy is in a freefalling downward spiral and your army is bogged down in foreign adventures really if Costa Rica invades now they would win and then there's this war on terror which is the moral bankruptcy of America and I know you are ashamed of America right now and would rather we visit some other time but I just want to come over and help with the strong euro I can now afford to buy a fairly large chunk of America and help that part get back on track but I'm not going to simply send you money that never works I want to come over and teach you people how to help yourself but I can't because they installed cavity searches to deter me.

I liked the costa rica bit the best. :thumbsup:

Given your not being dramatic by your very own hand you have mapped out clearly why you should terminate your professed love.

Farewell mon ami.

:unitedstates: